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July 17, 2023, 11:39:22 PM
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I hope whoever comes up with these competitions understands that the main problem with doping is not that it is cheating, but that it is dangerous for athletes in terms of survival (as well as going beyond their normal capabilities, by the way). It is unlikely that anyone will be interested in watching a run if, say, a couple of athletes out of a thousand (I take a very modest figure - in fact it can be much more) die right on the treadmill every year. In general, I do not think that in any adequate jurisdiction this will be allowed.

Performance enhancing drug will always pose some risks to the users body and I don't see any reasons why this kind of event should be pursued because one day they will feel that they are the strongest man or athlete in the world but afterwards, the effect is unbearable as fatigue and stress will eventually catch up with them which led to a few days rests because the body will badly need it. Some are lucky to be alive to tell their own story but to some who are unfortunate enough to survive, I hope they will be a lesson for the athletes who wanted to do the same thing.

Yes, doping is a deadly risk. As far as I know, in modern sports, the highest mortality rate among professional athletes is precisely in those sports where doping is more or less condescending. And I think that many will be surprised what kind of sports they are: for example, wrestling. It would seem that there could be something dangerous in "theatrical" battles? But the problem is that actors use doping to build muscle mass and keep in shape and it kills them.
The real spirit of sports lies in the stamina of the player. When they were allowed to use dope and other drugs, automatically the performance will be much on the drugs support and nothing comes out of the player. These kind of decisions were completely dangerous and the same could be a big blow in the upcoming generation's sporting life. Already from the very small age kids have begun to consume drugs and now this will make it much easier for them.

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July 17, 2023, 11:47:12 PM
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The real spirit of sports lies in the stamina of the player. When they were allowed to use dope and other drugs, automatically the performance will be much on the drugs support and nothing comes out of the player.

No, there's still part of the support that naturally comes from the player. The use of doping will combine with the player's natural performance, therefore, crossing the limit of the player's capability. As mentioned by the President itself of this event, unlocking the true potential of that player.

Anyhow, looks like they are really determined and eager to push this event. I'm sure organizers will face lots of problems before it can be actually commenced. I wonder also if the event can comply with the required and necessary permits or licenses to operate knowing they will fail on the health-related concerns as the event is a sports competition. They should also follow the country's law on wherever the event will take place.

But to rival the Olympics? Hell no. This is just an ordinary event for me if push.

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July 18, 2023, 05:10:34 PM
 #103

The real spirit of sports lies in the stamina of the player. When they were allowed to use dope and other drugs, automatically the performance will be much on the drugs support and nothing comes out of the player. These kind of decisions were completely dangerous and the same could be a big blow in the upcoming generation's sporting life. Already from the very small age kids have begun to consume drugs and now this will make it much easier for them.
They cannot be considered true sports players because they have used drugs to help increase their stamina, which should have been banned in sports associations. Someone has to have the courage to reject this idea for whatever reason because many impacts can arise for players and people who idolize players. And consuming chemical drugs like that might have a bad impact on their health in the future. So the sports association, sports committee, or whatever you call it, should react strongly to reject it.
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July 18, 2023, 05:33:15 PM
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I hope whoever comes up with these competitions understands that the main problem with doping is not that it is cheating, but that it is dangerous for athletes in terms of survival (as well as going beyond their normal capabilities, by the way). It is unlikely that anyone will be interested in watching a run if, say, a couple of athletes out of a thousand (I take a very modest figure - in fact it can be much more) die right on the treadmill every year. In general, I do not think that in any adequate jurisdiction this will be allowed.

Performance enhancing drug will always pose some risks to the users body and I don't see any reasons why this kind of event should be pursued because one day they will feel that they are the strongest man or athlete in the world but afterwards, the effect is unbearable as fatigue and stress will eventually catch up with them which led to a few days rests because the body will badly need it. Some are lucky to be alive to tell their own story but to some who are unfortunate enough to survive, I hope they will be a lesson for the athletes who wanted to do the same thing.

Yes, doping is a deadly risk. As far as I know, in modern sports, the highest mortality rate among professional athletes is precisely in those sports where doping is more or less condescending. And I think that many will be surprised what kind of sports they are: for example, wrestling. It would seem that there could be something dangerous in "theatrical" battles? But the problem is that actors use doping to build muscle mass and keep in shape and it kills them.
The real spirit of sports lies in the stamina of the player. When they were allowed to use dope and other drugs, automatically the performance will be much on the drugs support and nothing comes out of the player. These kind of decisions were completely dangerous and the same could be a big blow in the upcoming generation's sporting life. Already from the very small age kids have begun to consume drugs and now this will make it much easier for them.

Doping should not be allowed in any case, I do not understand who is making such insane decisions. Using drugs can be risky for the players.
Yes, the performance and energy levels of the players may increase but in the long run, this is deadly for the player themselves. I guess the players should protest against this decision.

Maybe the spectators may enjoy the enhanced player performance, but you can't risk the player's health.

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July 18, 2023, 07:01:48 PM
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This is an aberration from the Olympic games that we know and have enjoyed. The beauty of Olympic games is to even see participants who have been banned from continuing on the game for such allegations of dope and taking enhancement drugs. Although this is seen as rival sports but it will gradually influence the sports games and make organisers to relax laws against enhancement drugs in sports. I have heard of sex sports in Sweden and this is also coming up, I guess we are about to see a new creation from what we know in sports soon.

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July 18, 2023, 07:07:33 PM
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Doping should not be allowed in any case, I do not understand who is making such insane decisions. Using drugs can be risky for the players.
Yes, the performance and energy levels of the players may increase but in the long run, this is deadly for the player themselves. I guess the players should protest against this decision.

Maybe the spectators may enjoy the enhanced player performance, but you can't risk the player's health.
The only thing athletes and the public in general need to do in order to make those ridiculous games to disappear is to not participate in them and to not watch them, that way once the organizers behind such a competition realizes no athlete worth anything is willing to participate and the public is not watching their broadcasts anyway then they will run out of money and eventually they will disband this project, and at the same time this will serve as a warning to anyone thinking about doing this again.
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July 18, 2023, 08:14:50 PM
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The real spirit of sports lies in the stamina of the player. When they were allowed to use dope and other drugs, automatically the performance will be much on the drugs support and nothing comes out of the player.

No, there's still part of the support that naturally comes from the player. The use of doping will combine with the player's natural performance, therefore, crossing the limit of the player's capability. As mentioned by the President itself of this event, unlocking the true potential of that player.

Anyhow, looks like they are really determined and eager to push this event. I'm sure organizers will face lots of problems before it can be actually commenced. I wonder also if the event can comply with the required and necessary permits or licenses to operate knowing they will fail on the health-related concerns as the event is a sports competition. They should also follow the country's law on wherever the event will take place.

I think that the organizers are just creating a market for their doping drugs.  Imagine if this kind of idea propagate, there will be a huge market for body-enhancing drugs since it will not only cover one sports but rather all sports that is listed in olympic.  This is a huge business for the organizers.

But to rival the Olympics? Hell no. This is just an ordinary event for me if push.

The Olympics banned many body-enhancing drugs so that the actual talent of an athlete will be shown.  I think the one planned by the organizing of this event that allow doping will have its separate set of athletes and it may not par with the Olympics in the beginning but I believe it will eventually catch up due to the possible huge funding that supports it.

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July 18, 2023, 08:37:40 PM
 #108

I hope whoever comes up with these competitions understands that the main problem with doping is not that it is cheating, but that it is dangerous for athletes in terms of survival (as well as going beyond their normal capabilities, by the way). It is unlikely that anyone will be interested in watching a run if, say, a couple of athletes out of a thousand (I take a very modest figure - in fact it can be much more) die right on the treadmill every year. In general, I do not think that in any adequate jurisdiction this will be allowed.

Performance enhancing drug will always pose some risks to the users body and I don't see any reasons why this kind of event should be pursued because one day they will feel that they are the strongest man or athlete in the world but afterwards, the effect is unbearable as fatigue and stress will eventually catch up with them which led to a few days rests because the body will badly need it. Some are lucky to be alive to tell their own story but to some who are unfortunate enough to survive, I hope they will be a lesson for the athletes who wanted to do the same thing.

Yes, doping is a deadly risk. As far as I know, in modern sports, the highest mortality rate among professional athletes is precisely in those sports where doping is more or less condescending. And I think that many will be surprised what kind of sports they are: for example, wrestling. It would seem that there could be something dangerous in "theatrical" battles? But the problem is that actors use doping to build muscle mass and keep in shape and it kills them.
The real spirit of sports lies in the stamina of the player. When they were allowed to use dope and other drugs, automatically the performance will be much on the drugs support and nothing comes out of the player. These kind of decisions were completely dangerous and the same could be a big blow in the upcoming generation's sporting life. Already from the very small age kids have begun to consume drugs and now this will make it much easier for them.

Doping should not be allowed in any case, I do not understand who is making such insane decisions. Using drugs can be risky for the players.
Yes, the performance and energy levels of the players may increase but in the long run, this is deadly for the player themselves. I guess the players should protest against this decision.

Maybe the spectators may enjoy the enhanced player performance, but you can't risk the player's health.
This isnt only limited on athletes but also in other animals as well specially on horseracing or greyhound on which doping is really that significant to enhance out their performance but just like you do said that its not something that it would really be that ideal or something to be safe with those people or animals who had been injected or having that make use of drugs just for the sake of having that good impression and entertainment into it fans. Its true that it do really compromise out athletes health which is something that we dont really like to see or happen. It is really just that right  or enough for them to play and show up their performance
on their conditioned body not on the sense on not to make or use of any drug.Its not really that necessary but it is really just that sad that there are instances and moments on which athletes do really
end up with this kind of option just to make enhancement on the sport that they are really that getting involved into specially on major events like Olympic Games on which this one shouldn't
really be allowed.

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July 18, 2023, 09:34:20 PM
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Doping should not be allowed in any case, I do not understand who is making such insane decisions. Using drugs can be risky for the players.
Yes, the performance and energy levels of the players may increase but in the long run, this is deadly for the player themselves. I guess the players should protest against this decision.

Mate, the purpose of the said event is to allow the use of such drugs. Therefore, it will be allowed.

The participating players here obviously accept the terms and are interested in using such drugs.

The only thing that can stop it is if most countries will oppose that event and won't allow that to commence no matter what.

I think the one planned by the organizing of this event that allow doping will have its separate set of athletes and it may not par with the Olympics in the beginning but I believe it will eventually catch up due to the possible huge funding that supports it.

Obviously, participating athletes here are separated from the athletes in the Olympics.

I doubt the event will be successful because for sure the organizers will face lots of legal issues especially if the said enhancement drugs do have a status of being "prohibited in general" and not just for sports. Anyways, let's see then at the end of the year if this will really push.

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July 19, 2023, 06:00:29 AM
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The real spirit of sports lies in the stamina of the player. When they were allowed to use dope and other drugs, automatically the performance will be much on the drugs support and nothing comes out of the player. These kind of decisions were completely dangerous and the same could be a big blow in the upcoming generation's sporting life. Already from the very small age kids have begun to consume drugs and now this will make it much easier for them.
They cannot be considered true sports players because they have used drugs to help increase their stamina, which should have been banned in sports associations. Someone has to have the courage to reject this idea for whatever reason because many impacts can arise for players and people who idolize players. And consuming chemical drugs like that might have a bad impact on their health in the future. So the sports association, sports committee, or whatever you call it, should react strongly to reject it.
It will also be unfair to the people who have created records in the past if some of these players using drugs to enhance their abilities break their records because the ones who created them in the past didn't do anything like this and have made those records all with their own energy and skills and not with the help of some pills or drugs that enhance one's abilities to perform way better than a person who isn't on drugs, this shouldn't be allowed at all.

I also wonder how would people take any interest in games where they know the players have taken skill-enhancing pills to perform better, how would the fans of specific players react who are involved in these games know that their favorites are not performing well because they play well but it is all because they are on pills.

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July 19, 2023, 06:09:24 AM
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Doping should not be allowed in any case, I do not understand who is making such insane decisions. Using drugs can be risky for the players.
Yes, the performance and energy levels of the players may increase but in the long run, this is deadly for the player themselves. I guess the players should protest against this decision.

Maybe the spectators may enjoy the enhanced player performance, but you can't risk the player's health.
The only thing athletes and the public in general need to do in order to make those ridiculous games to disappear is to not participate in them and to not watch them, that way once the organizers behind such a competition realizes no athlete worth anything is willing to participate and the public is not watching their broadcasts anyway then they will run out of money and eventually they will disband this project, and at the same time this will serve as a warning to anyone thinking about doing this again.

Doping cases have been quite a lot in Olympic games during the course of time and many good athletes have been found using it and being eliminated from the games.If they will allow the doping then this may remove some of these cases which the athletes will take anyway in different forms as science has evolved and some cases can evade the checks depending on what the athletes do.I am not in favor of doping being allowed as natural competition is the best from a fan point of view but it all depends on what the athlete does,most likely the federation of such games won't allow doping.

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July 19, 2023, 08:18:57 AM
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It will also be unfair to the people who have created records in the past if some of these players using drugs to enhance their abilities break their records because the ones who created them in the past didn't do anything like this and have made those records all with their own energy and skills and not with the help of some pills or drugs that enhance one's abilities to perform way better than a person who isn't on drugs, this shouldn't be allowed at all.

I also wonder how would people take any interest in games where they know the players have taken skill-enhancing pills to perform better, how would the fans of specific players react who are involved in these games know that their favorites are not performing well because they play well but it is all because they are on pills.
And because of using drugs, they can set new records in the same sport, and it's not the result of their own abilities. Setting records isn't so amazing anymore because people will use drugs to set new records. But the people who watched his matches would not think that it was an achievement but that it was normal because of the help of drugs.

I'm just thinking about the long-term impact on the people taking the drugs, especially if this is successful. Drug companies will release drugs with the same ingredients as these drugs so the public can consume them. We know that consuming too many chemical-containing drugs harms our bodies. Let's hope there is an organization that will reject it.
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I also wonder how would people take any interest in games where they know the players have taken skill-enhancing pills to perform better, how would the fans of specific players react who are involved in these games know that their favorites are not performing well because they play well but it is all because they are on pills.

There is no way popular athletes will join the event as it will ruin their professional careers. What we can see here mostly are new players or brand new faces in general therefore people will just start to become a follower of these athletes once the event now started.

The fans know in the first place that the Olympic-same event allowed the use of doping drugs therefore, why should they bother with that?

What matters to these bettors is to just take profit in sports betting as usual.
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This is an aberration from the Olympic games that we know and have enjoyed. The beauty of Olympic games is to even see participants who have been banned from continuing on the game for such allegations of dope and taking enhancement drugs. Although this is seen as rival sports but it will gradually influence the sports games and make organisers to relax laws against enhancement drugs in sports. I have heard of sex sports in Sweden and this is also coming up, I guess we are about to see a new creation from what we know in sports soon.

Well, I believe that it will be the opposite that happens. Organizations, federations, and sports groups will add further punishments, suspensions, and bans on any athletes, clubs, teams, and groups that allow themselves participating to this kind of event. I also doubt that there are companies willing to sponsor athletes or this type of event that allows doping and other illegal substances. Even governments will make a ban on this and its organizers. Maybe they can hold this event in North Korea if they can persuade Jung Un.

With regards to Sweden officially approving sex as a sport, it is not true. But we expect more reasonable events and activities that will be added as a sport soon.

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I also doubt that there are companies willing to sponsor athletes or this type of event that allows doping and other illegal substances.
Indeed. What brand would like to have its name connected to athletes making abusive usage of drugs (poisoning themselves) and decreasing their lifetime and life quality in decades? That is one of the main reasons this event doesn't make sense to exist, because there won't be public sponsors. Of course these games can still work in the shadows, belonging to something like the "deepweb", but then it won't have any recognization anyway and it will be highly restricted to select group of people who access such forbidden content, so I don't think it would be highly profitable in every cases.

Even for the athletes it doesn't worth the risk and side effects to take part into this madness.

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July 19, 2023, 07:42:12 PM
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I also doubt that there are companies willing to sponsor athletes or this type of event that allows doping and other illegal substances.
Indeed. What brand would like to have its name connected to athletes making abusive usage of drugs (poisoning themselves) and decreasing their lifetime and life quality in decades? That is one of the main reasons this event doesn't make sense to exist, because there won't be public sponsors. Of course these games can still work in the shadows, belonging to something like the "deepweb", but then it won't have any recognization anyway and it will be highly restricted to select group of people who access such forbidden content, so I don't think it would be highly profitable in every cases.

Even for the athletes it doesn't worth the risk and side effects to take part into this madness.

The management shouldn't allow this because it ruins the reputation of their business and the image of the olympic games. These athletes aren't a good example especially to young aspirants who adolizes the sports. No sponsors will support this type lf olympic and bettors shouldn't support it either since they are promoting drugs and other illegal activities.
Any supporters or sponsors who will suport them will also have their reputations ruined so they should be skeptical and wise even if it could help them make money. I hope these athletes would change their mind as early as possible as it might affect their whole profession negatively.
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I also wonder how would people take any interest in games where they know the players have taken skill-enhancing pills to perform better, how would the fans of specific players react who are involved in these games know that their favorites are not performing well because they play well but it is all because they are on pills.
There is no way popular athletes will join the event as it will ruin their professional careers. What we can see here mostly are new players or brand new faces in general therefore people will just start to become a follower of these athletes once the event now started.

The fans know in the first place that the Olympic-same event allowed the use of doping drugs therefore, why should they bother with that?

What matters to these bettors is to just take profit in sports betting as usual.
That is why the OP bring this up because someone is planning to create one. The primary participant of it would be the unfamous people but we don't know maybe they will also open it to everyone including to the famous ones? The famous personalities will only give a disclaimer that they are only doing it for that game but I know, lots of them are already taking a drug and they only hide it from the public.

There are still people who are against drugs and drug users so they won't follow it. For some, maybe they will, only for the sake of gambling. As usual, it will still give them a hard time to analyze if who will win because each players are going to take drugs. Luck will still be their main factor here.
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July 21, 2023, 07:06:15 PM
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The only thing athletes and the public in general need to do in order to make those ridiculous games to disappear is to not participate in them and to not watch them, that way once the organizers behind such a competition realizes no athlete worth anything is willing to participate and the public is not watching their broadcasts anyway then they will run out of money and eventually they will disband this project, and at the same time this will serve as a warning to anyone thinking about doing this again.

Doping cases have been quite a lot in Olympic games during the course of time and many good athletes have been found using it and being eliminated from the games.If they will allow the doping then this may remove some of these cases which the athletes will take anyway in different forms as science has evolved and some cases can evade the checks depending on what the athletes do.I am not in favor of doping being allowed as natural competition is the best from a fan point of view but it all depends on what the athlete does,most likely the federation of such games won't allow doping.
It is true that athletes dope in order to gain an unfair advantage over their competitors, however even if they take drugs that cannot be detected with the current methods, those methods keep improving and their samples can always be checked with those new methods and find out if they cheated anyway, so it is simply not worth it for athletes to cheat in this way, and any athlete which participated on theses games will probably be banned for life from ever participating on their sport of choosing making their participation on this competition useless as well.
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The only thing athletes and the public in general need to do in order to make those ridiculous games to disappear is to not participate in them and to not watch them, that way once the organizers behind such a competition realizes no athlete worth anything is willing to participate and the public is not watching their broadcasts anyway then they will run out of money and eventually they will disband this project, and at the same time this will serve as a warning to anyone thinking about doing this again.

Doping cases have been quite a lot in Olympic games during the course of time and many good athletes have been found using it and being eliminated from the games.If they will allow the doping then this may remove some of these cases which the athletes will take anyway in different forms as science has evolved and some cases can evade the checks depending on what the athletes do.I am not in favor of doping being allowed as natural competition is the best from a fan point of view but it all depends on what the athlete does,most likely the federation of such games won't allow doping.
It is true that athletes dope in order to gain an unfair advantage over their competitors, however even if they take drugs that cannot be detected with the current methods, those methods keep improving and their samples can always be checked with those new methods and find out if they cheated anyway, so it is simply not worth it for athletes to cheat in this way, and any athlete which participated on theses games will probably be banned for life from ever participating on their sport of choosing making their participation on this competition useless as well.
Way form of cheating i would say and its not really something ethical specially if they would really be trying out to make something which cant be detected or would be find out which it is really that impossible because

once substance would enter out in our body then it would really be that could be seen or would be known about.Dont know if there's something already who had been able to create such drug or whatsoever correlated to this for it not to be detected if there would really be checks. I agree on what you do said that having these takings would really be considered cheat, why? It do really enhances up your performance compared
when you are in normal state and if the other players are taking the legit path and having no taking up or doping then they would really be having the disadvantage.

This is why it shouldn't really be allowed in the first place because this is something that wont really be that appealing on having those non-fair way on competing to each other specially on events like
this or even into those ordinary match ups.

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This idea has already been challenged in some form if we consider all kinds of assistance.   Theres the case of Pistorius with missing legs and carbon fiber 'blades' who wanted to race vs the entire field of sprinters, some argued his augmentation was actually too great and had become a bonus.  I believe he won that case and was allowed to compete as an equal.   I dont know I would extend this thinking to drug use but some kind of future where technology plays a greater part in human achievements is feasible.   First of all it might happen to those who lost arms or legs or were born without, allowing them to compete with various technology relates to this subject.

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