Olympic Games, but doping is allowed?!

[Silberman]

I think it is totally irresponsible to promote performance enhancing drugs. I have seen what this does to young people and it is devastating for the people who use this. I love school rugby and some children use performance enhancing drugs at a very young age to boost them to be better than other kids. (Everyone wants to play for the A-team)

Now the problem with this is the fact that these "drug" kids are much stronger and bigger than the other kids in their own age class. There has been instances where other "normal" kids got serious neck injuries, after being tackled by the "steroid" kids.

These steroids also increase aggression and it only takes something small to trigger a massive outburst and fights on and off the field. So, if they do this professionally in an Olympic Games, then kids will accept it as the norm. 

Exactly, that is precisely the danger, if doping was allowed and athletes could use whatever they wanted to enhance their performance then this is basically saying to the kids that do not want to take those drugs to not even try since they will have no chance at all of ever becoming successful, however this will bring the disastrous effect of kids taking those drugs earlier and earlier and we could see a huge increase on the number of drug related deaths on sports and the life expectancy of athletes dropping as well later in life, as they begin to feel the repercussions of taking drugs at such an early age.

[Latviand]

What is the point of discussing if doping is allowed during Olympic games or not, if every athlete uses it unintentionally in medicine and sport supplement they take. There are not clean athletes in professional sport. And Olympic games are not about sports, but which country has best pharmacology and which athlete cleans his body better. Imho doping should be allowed, but it has to be controlled, there must be standards.

You saying that these athletes who've trained for a really long time to compete in the highest competition in terms of sports are doping is such an insult to them as you are basically saying that there's no way that human body can reach those heights in athleticism without the help of performance enhancers. That's what I would I expect of someone who doesn't do sports, that everyone who can do what they can't do can't be real and that they're cheating in some way. Also, where did you get that bullshit opinion that there's no clean athletes in any sports? Is the data peer-reviewed? Are there investigations that supports the claim? Any scientific journals? The reason you want doping to be allowed is cause you're weak.

[temple]

It seems that I misse this thread for quite a while and I remember how that was a topic or still is a topic. In bodybuilding it is essentially accepted, at least when I watch a video from some athletes at times and they publicly talk about their stack. Maybe there are time windows when they get off to be clean during the pre-competition tests or so.

I think if we have an olympic event where doping is desired so to say, the only interesting fact about that would be that we get access to data that could then be compared to competitions where drugs are prohibited. Think about the discussions getting started when someone who publicly admits to be doped as fuck runs as fast as the winner of the "neutral" olympic games. It wouldn't allow for quick conclusions, but it would get the discussion going.

I am against it, but if people decide to put drugs into their body to run a little bit faster, I guess it is their decision.

[KTChampions]

What is the point of discussing if doping is allowed during Olympic games or not, if every athlete uses it unintentionally in medicine and sport supplement they take. There are not clean athletes in professional sport. And Olympic games are not about sports, but which country has best pharmacology and which athlete cleans his body better. Imho doping should be allowed, but it has to be controlled, there must be standards.

You saying that these athletes who've trained for a really long time to compete in the highest competition in terms of sports are doping is such an insult to them as you are basically saying that there's no way that human body can reach those heights in athleticism without the help of performance enhancers. That's what I would I expect of someone who doesn't do sports, that everyone who can do what they can't do can't be real and that they're cheating in some way. Also, where did you get that bullshit opinion that there's no clean athletes in any sports? Is the data peer-reviewed? Are there investigations that supports the claim? Any scientific journals? The reason you want doping to be allowed is cause you're weak.

His opinion is quite reasonable because it is difficult to deny the influence of pharmacology on the performance of athletes. The question is that not all pharmacological things are considered doping (although the list always changes over time) is another matter. To illustrate, look at weightlifting records - they have doubled in a few decades, and lightweight weightlifters lift more than previous heavyweight record holders. I think that human biology has not changed, but pharmacology has become more effective.

[TopTort777]

What is the point of discussing if doping is allowed during Olympic games or not, if every athlete uses it unintentionally in medicine and sport supplement they take. There are not clean athletes in professional sport. And Olympic games are not about sports, but which country has best pharmacology and which athlete cleans his body better. Imho doping should be allowed, but it has to be controlled, there must be standards.

You saying that these athletes who've trained for a really long time to compete in the highest competition in terms of sports are doping is such an insult to them as you are basically saying that there's no way that human body can reach those heights in athleticism without the help of performance enhancers. That's what I would I expect of someone who doesn't do sports, that everyone who can do what they can't do can't be real and that they're cheating in some way. Also, where did you get that bullshit opinion that there's no clean athletes in any sports? Is the data peer-reviewed? Are there investigations that supports the claim? Any scientific journals? The reason you want doping to be allowed is cause you're weak.

I will ask you a question also - have you tried any sport on a level higher than "do after work", "do it with friends" "do it at school/university"? Then you at least would have used protein, creating and other sport supplements. This is already not normal for human body, not natural. And as we speak about Olympic games - take a look on Olympic and World records in any discipline, or at least on a minimum required result to get into qualification to Olympic games. They are so high, that not a single average human can achieve that, nor most of people who do sports seriously can achieve that.

Regards athletes who has been training for years - ok, they train for years, but within several years, human get to his maximum, and without any "extra magical shot or pill" he is not able to achieve more. And as you are an athlete, when you get to your maximum, game is over. What they do then? Retire at young age? Drop sports? No, they take something to get more, get higher results. Its human nature to always want more, to want better and etc.

Are you familiar with Olympic games slogan? Citius, Altius, Fortius which is Latin for "Faster, Higher, Stronger". It even forces you to pass your maximum and do better, perform better.

None of the professional athletes are clean. Olympic game athletes are even special. They are ready to do everything to become best of the best once every 4 years. I bet you have taken Omega 3 pills at least once in your life, or taken pills when you are sick. Taking this is not natural for human body. Our body must fight viruses themselves, or body must balance everything itself. However we take dipyrone when we have headache, we take omega 3 to get better skin, we take D vitamin when we had lack of sun and etc. That is doping for our body. So you think we cheat like that because "we are weak" ?

About should doping be allowed ? If everyone uses it. Why should others refuse then?

[Silberman]

It seems that I misse this thread for quite a while and I remember how that was a topic or still is a topic. In bodybuilding it is essentially accepted, at least when I watch a video from some athletes at times and they publicly talk about their stack. Maybe there are time windows when they get off to be clean during the pre-competition tests or so.

I think if we have an olympic event where doping is desired so to say, the only interesting fact about that would be that we get access to data that could then be compared to competitions where drugs are prohibited. Think about the discussions getting started when someone who publicly admits to be doped as fuck runs as fast as the winner of the "neutral" olympic games. It wouldn't allow for quick conclusions, but it would get the discussion going.

I am against it, but if people decide to put drugs into their body to run a little bit faster, I guess it is their decision.

It is not that simple, while each person can decide what they want to do with their bodies, the moment they decide to compete with others then they need to abide by the rules everyone is following, besides it is not as if a person can just get to the final race and then just run with the best of the best, this is a process which takes years, so while an athlete could use enhancing drugs to runs as fast as the pros then they will be checked periodically to see if they are not cheating, and once discovered their career will be over, never having the chance of competing at the highest stage.

[TopTort777]

so while an athlete could use enhancing drugs to runs as fast as the pros then they will be checked periodically to see if they are not cheating, and once discovered their career will be over, never having the chance of competing at the highest stage.

Then this will kill modern Olympic games. They will be not interesting to watch, it will be impossible to sell ads, athletes not gonna receive huge money rewards for winning medals. First of all no one will be able to improve current Olympic records without doping. Some part of athletes will already lose motivation. Second, if the athletes gonna get tested all the time, they wont use doping, but the sports will be crowded with average athletes, because many will be on the same or close to Olympic-athlete-without-doping-skill. I will give you example of how Olympic games would look like - imagine you watch football, and next day everyone start to play on a level women play football. Of course they will be much better than average Joe, but speed and skill wont be the same. Plus you would be charged full price or more to watch such performance.

[retreat]

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I am against it, but if people decide to put drugs into their body to run a little bit faster, I guess it is their decision.

Indeed, it was their decision to put drugs into their bodies, but in a true race, of course, it is prohibited and it is not permissible to consume it because of course it will harm other players who compete honestly and correctly.
Even if they want to take drugs, they may be able to use them in competitions where it is allowed. But of course a competition like this would violate human rights, because it would cross human limits and of course its use would cause injury and long-term side effects to the participants.

[erep]

Indeed, it was their decision to put drugs into their bodies, but in a true race, of course, it is prohibited and it is not permissible to consume it because of course it will harm other players who compete honestly and correctly.
Even if they want to take drugs, they may be able to use them in competitions where it is allowed. But of course a competition like this would violate human rights, because it would cross human limits and of course its use would cause injury and long-term side effects to the participants.

Every prestigious Olympics and any sporting event will prohibit the use of drugs, doping, steroids and any drugs to increase stamina beyond normal limits, even though their use is fatal to health and risks causing death if use is over capacity, but I don't know the reason why they created new olympics to legalize everything.

I think the world's sports experts should consider the regulations of the Olympics, if the rules are not suitable then take a quick step to remove or reject the controversy rules to restore the basis of sport based on the natural ability of training hard and competing fairly.

[TopTort777]

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I am against it, but if people decide to put drugs into their body to run a little bit faster, I guess it is their decision.

Indeed, it was their decision to put drugs into their bodies, but in a true race, of course, it is prohibited and it is not permissible to consume it because of course it will harm other players who compete honestly and correctly.
Even if they want to take drugs, they may be able to use them in competitions where it is allowed. But of course a competition like this would violate human rights, because it would cross human limits and of course its use would cause injury and long-term side effects to the participants.

The there must be two Olympic game, with and without doping. Where athletes have separate records. Making such will cost hell lot of money. Not every country would have money to prepare two kind of athletes, follow their training routine and everything.

Doping and Olympic games has so much to discuss. For example you say "their decision to put drugs into their bodies". Then why Norwegian biathlon allowed to take anti asthma drugs, while other athletes are not allowed? Why first have advantage to breathe freely, while others must struggle with breath ? Because Norwegians have health issues? Then they should not participate. One of ingredients of their asthma medicine is in a list of illegal stuff in Olympics. You think it is fair? Then give everyone respirators, oxygen masks or whatever. Let everyone be in same conditions.

[Crypt0Gore]

Whatever you are going to achieve with strength boosters or drugs is not an achievement, the name of such sport should begins with illegal and I doubt the law will allow this to function because there will be consequences, cheating must not be allowed in any type of athletics.

Those that tried to use drugs of horse races end up with many sudden deaths on horses that later raise some suspicion,  after the law deep into investigation they found out that many bets on horse races are based on lies and manipulations, I can't recall the name of the country where this happened again.

Allowing this to happen will bring an end to the Olympic games and it will open door to illegal activities too, the war on drugs won't make sense and instead it will give the weak-hearted more reasons or excuses to start using drugs.

[TopTort777]

Whatever you are going to achieve with strength boosters or drugs is not an achievement, the name of such sport should begins with illegal and I doubt the law will allow this to function because there will be consequences, cheating must not be allowed in any type of athletics.

Those that tried to use drugs of horse races end up with many sudden deaths on horses that later raise some suspicion,  after the law deep into investigation they found out that many bets on horse races are based on lies and manipulations, I can't recall the name of the country where this happened again.

Allowing this to happen will bring an end to the Olympic games and it will open door to illegal activities too, the war on drugs won't make sense and instead it will give the weak-hearted more reasons or excuses to start using drugs.

Ever used a calculator in your life? You'd better calculate everything yourself

Olympic games are so much impregnated with doping, scandals, politics, that without them, Olympic games would die faster than if doping would turn illegal.

Do you think athletes dont want to use doping? Specially when they hit their maximum. They would love to use it, even to improve results for 0.001 second, 0.001 meter or 100 grams.

[maydna]

Whatever you are going to achieve with strength boosters or drugs is not an achievement, the name of such sport should begins with illegal and I doubt the law will allow this to function because there will be consequences, cheating must not be allowed in any type of athletics.

Those that tried to use drugs of horse races end up with many sudden deaths on horses that later raise some suspicion,  after the law deep into investigation they found out that many bets on horse races are based on lies and manipulations, I can't recall the name of the country where this happened again.

Allowing this to happen will bring an end to the Olympic games and it will open door to illegal activities too, the war on drugs won't make sense and instead it will give the weak-hearted more reasons or excuses to start using drugs.

I think it will get a lot of protests from athletes who don't use drugs because they feel that what they have done, in this case, training in various ways means nothing because they lost against athletes who use drugs. And this is not a sport that shows the power of training, but this is something that is obtained from the results of taking drugs.

If drugs are allowed to be used by athletes, it may have a negative long-term health impact on the athlete. And there is a possibility that the athletes will experience addiction to using drugs in all their activities, which has become like drugs. The sports world will change, and the sportsmanship slogan will disappear if this is legalized. And I don't know the consequences for the people who also take these drugs.

[TopTort777]

Few athletes think about negative long term health impact when they see Olympic gold medal. Btw, when doing sports is always good for health, then being a professional always have negative impact on health. Because you dont train like normal people. Professional athlete body is always more worn out than a regular guys body who does sport.

There are sports that is impossible without doping. For example weightlifting. Taking doping starts from local gym. You take illegal stuff, improve, and all of a sudden your results are enough to qualify for Olympic games. Should weightlifting be banned?

[Silberman]

so while an athlete could use enhancing drugs to runs as fast as the pros then they will be checked periodically to see if they are not cheating, and once discovered their career will be over, never having the chance of competing at the highest stage.

Then this will kill modern Olympic games. They will be not interesting to watch, it will be impossible to sell ads, athletes not gonna receive huge money rewards for winning medals. First of all no one will be able to improve current Olympic records without doping. Some part of athletes will already lose motivation. Second, if the athletes gonna get tested all the time, they wont use doping, but the sports will be crowded with average athletes, because many will be on the same or close to Olympic-athlete-without-doping-skill. I will give you example of how Olympic games would look like - imagine you watch football, and next day everyone start to play on a level women play football. Of course they will be much better than average Joe, but speed and skill wont be the same. Plus you would be charged full price or more to watch such performance.

Do you realize that what I am describing is already a reality right? Athletes are checked periodically and even surprise tests are conducted which have to be performed in front of the doctors performing those tests, and while this is not a problem with blood tests, even urine tests have to be performed in front of the doctors to make sure the sample is not exchanged with the urine of someone else, and yet despite all of this not only records keep being broken but athletes are still benefiting economically from the whole thing.

[TopTort777]

Then you must understand that these tests and surprise checks are useless, because athletes got caught anyway during Olympic games, and most importand, they get medals and fly home like a hero. And only after a time, they got notified “hey budddy, you are not clean. give back that medal”. Usually they dont give medals and country protects and supports them with that. The athletes who has finished 4th and turns to be 3rd with a medal, either dont get it, or get it, but nodoby knows about it. So what is the point not to use, when others use doping, get medals and return as a hero. And their locals dont care if athlete used or not doping, they celebrate that their country got a medal.

[Webetcoins]

Then you must understand that these tests and surprise checks are useless, because athletes got caught anyway during Olympic games, and most importand, they get medals and fly home like a hero. And only after a time, they got notified “hey budddy, you are not clean. give back that medal”. Usually they dont give medals and country protects and supports them with that. The athletes who has finished 4th and turns to be 3rd with a medal, either dont get it, or get it, but nodoby knows about it. So what is the point not to use, when others use doping, get medals and return as a hero. And their locals dont care if athlete used or not doping, they celebrate that their country got a medal.

I don't think that if doping isn't allowed and they take the tests of every player before they participate in the event, they would obviously not let them play before the reports of the tests are out, and if the reports of a player aren't clear, they would simply not let them participate in the event because they have used substances that are not allowed for the players participating in the event because they use them to enhance their physical abilities and boost their performance.

But, as mentioned in OP, if the event allows players to use drugs to enhance their playing abilities and enhance their performance then there is basically no point in any medical tests or anything since all the players are allowed to do it and there won't be any restrictions for any player even if they have consumed drugs.

[TopTort777]

Then you must understand that these tests and surprise checks are useless, because athletes got caught anyway during Olympic games, and most importand, they get medals and fly home like a hero. And only after a time, they got notified “hey budddy, you are not clean. give back that medal”. Usually they dont give medals and country protects and supports them with that. The athletes who has finished 4th and turns to be 3rd with a medal, either dont get it, or get it, but nodoby knows about it. So what is the point not to use, when others use doping, get medals and return as a hero. And their locals dont care if athlete used or not doping, they celebrate that their country got a medal.

I don't think that if doping isn't allowed and they take the tests of every player before they participate in the event, they would obviously not let them play before the reports of the tests are out, and if the reports of a player aren't clear, they would simply not let them participate in the event because they have used substances that are not allowed for the players participating in the event because they use them to enhance their physical abilities and boost their performance.

But, as mentioned in OP, if the event allows players to use drugs to enhance their playing abilities and enhance their performance then there is basically no point in any medical tests or anything since all the players are allowed to do it and there won't be any restrictions for any player even if they have consumed drugs.

Sad thing is that they do testing before and after athletes perform. So they let clean and not clean athletes perform together. Majority of doping scandals happens already when the competition is over, or even when the Olympic games are over. That is why I see no point of not allowing it. It just looks stupid. What is the point of not allowing, when both athletes performs simultaneously. Either make two separate Olympic games, for those who use and who doesnt. But one thing, without doping, Olympic games wont be as bright as now, as interesting to watch as used to, we wont see any new records.

[freedomgo]

Then you must understand that these tests and surprise checks are useless, because athletes got caught anyway during Olympic games, and most importand, they get medals and fly home like a hero. And only after a time, they got notified “hey budddy, you are not clean. give back that medal”. Usually they dont give medals and country protects and supports them with that. The athletes who has finished 4th and turns to be 3rd with a medal, either dont get it, or get it, but nodoby knows about it. So what is the point not to use, when others use doping, get medals and return as a hero. And their locals dont care if athlete used or not doping, they celebrate that their country got a medal.

I don't think that if doping isn't allowed and they take the tests of every player before they participate in the event, they would obviously not let them play before the reports of the tests are out, and if the reports of a player aren't clear, they would simply not let them participate in the event because they have used substances that are not allowed for the players participating in the event because they use them to enhance their physical abilities and boost their performance.

But, as mentioned in OP, if the event allows players to use drugs to enhance their playing abilities and enhance their performance then there is basically no point in any medical tests or anything since all the players are allowed to do it and there won't be any restrictions for any player even if they have consumed drugs.

Sad thing is that they do testing before and after athletes perform. So they let clean and not clean athletes perform together. Majority of doping scandals happens already when the competition is over, or even when the Olympic games are over. That is why I see no point of not allowing it. It just looks stupid. What is the point of not allowing, when both athletes performs simultaneously. Either make two separate Olympic games, for those who use and who doesnt. But one thing, without doping, Olympic games wont be as bright as now, as interesting to watch as used to, we wont see any new records.

It's quite funny to me because I know that some might not agree with this because they aren't ready for what you've said as they believed it is the opposite

Little did they know that it has already happened behind the curtains, even before, but didn't generate enough noise because it's already common inside the organization to use some kind of PEDs to enhance their players. Well, of course not all of them but we cannot deny that since then, many are already using some tricks to have an advantage against another.

[molsewid]

I guess that the Olympics will be for only drug users because it is only the ones that use drugs as a booster that will enjoy the game. The winner will win based on the influence of drugs and not based on strength,this is bring harm on sport because the young generation will think that it is the right thing to do. I will also say that it is only another means of promoting hard drugs which has negative impact to the society. I will love to watch such games and to also see who will end up being the winner in various games,if he was motivated by any drugs. It will be lovely if Colombia will be the host.
 

I hope they will not allow this any kind of drugs. Let them use their own potential and do not let them use it, sooner or later it will have some bad effects in their body. In other games or sports it is very prohibited and it they are doing some blood test before the game because they won't allow this, let them show how natural strength and natural skills and talent came out , it will be a waste if they will use this instead of their hard owned talent.