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July 25, 2023, 05:59:01 AM
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The developed nations may have to rely more on AI, automation, innovation and immigration to meet their labor demands. They may also have to offer more incentives and benefits to attract and retain workers from other countries. They may also have to reconsider their trade policies and partnerships with these developing nations to ensure fair and mutually beneficial exchanges.
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July 25, 2023, 06:29:09 AM
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How do you think these developed nations will fill vacancies in their nations and get cheap labor if the population of these developing nations is reduced?
China is the most populated country in the world, is it underdeveloped? No, but it is one of the most developed countries in the world as of today, so the argument of a country being underdeveloped because of its population is totally baseless because we have a lot of examples of places that are overly populated but are still very much developed and are developing even more as the time goes, so economists that believe in this need to understand that this isn't correct.

I totally agree that the reason why a country stays underdeveloped is because of a lack of proper governance and usage of available resources, when a country struggles to develop at a good pace even if it has enough resources and minerals and stuff, it is only because there is corruption and the government isn't up to the task.

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July 25, 2023, 01:01:08 PM
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Yes, population affects economics. However, blaming population for economic issues is like painting a masterpiece with one hue. Its complex. Imagine improving governance, economic diversity, and resource allocation in poor nations. Overpopulation becomes beneficial. These nations could lead global innovation and growth.

Reducing population in underdeveloped nations may motivate rich nations to invest in sustainable solutions. Better automation, population upskilling, and immigration policy are options. A win-win.

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July 25, 2023, 02:09:23 PM
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Having a large population can be both a strength and weakness, depending on the quality of the same. If the population is highly skilled and educated, then it can be an advantage to the country to have such a large population. However, if the population is of low quality, then it can be a burden to have a huge population as the government needs to spend a lot of resources on education, employment and medical care. African nations do have a rapidly growing population, but they are in poverty because the population is not sufficiently skilled.
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July 25, 2023, 02:41:54 PM
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Peasants usually have many children - someone has to work in the fields. But today's children don't want to work in the fields, they want to go to the city. There are not so many jobs in the city, and entrepreneurs like to use cheap migrants. So there is a situation where a large population is a big problem. There are jobs, but few indigenous people want to work in hard jobs, and the easy jobs quickly run out


That’s a crude way to put it but you’ve got a point there. A lot of cases, people with low to zero income levels usually end up having more children they could possibly cater for.
There are not many jobs around for unskilled workers and a whole bunch of those peasants you mentioned haven’t got those relevant skills needed by employers.

Talking about migrants and cheap labor; sure, employers like to use migrants cause they’re majorly skilled at the job and are willing to accept less payment for their work.
Having the relevant skills is key here. Indigenous people should also know that.
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July 25, 2023, 02:47:36 PM
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How do you think these developed nations will fill vacancies in their nations and get cheap labor if the population of these developing nations is reduced?
In a poor country, overpopulation is a big problem, but for a rich country, it is more beneficial. If population can be converted into manpower then surely more population is the wealth of the country. I think the population in developing countries is not decreasing but it is increasing exponentially. On the other hand, the population growth rate in developed countries is decreasing drastically. Due to which developed countries are able to fulfill their needs in underdeveloped countries. I think there is no chance of population reduction in underdeveloped countries because they don't have proper idea about birth control. They do not get better idea about family planning. Due to various reasons, the population in the underdeveloped countries increases drastically.
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July 25, 2023, 02:54:14 PM
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How do you think these developed nations will fill vacancies in their nations and get cheap labor if the population of these developing nations is reduced?

It seems to me that in the article the author confuses cause and effect. In countries with poor living conditions (such as Africa or Pakistan, or in some areas of large countries (India or China), a large population is a consequence of a poor standard of living, and not vice versa. By nature, this is a law that makes it so that at least someone survives in bad conditions, it is necessary that many children are born. Unfortunately, not everyone will survive, but there will be living ones who will continue the race.

Concerning the fact that such countries have an impact on large countries: in poor countries, cheap labor is available. This is probably the only way they affect developing countries.

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July 25, 2023, 03:45:58 PM
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I don't want to make an excuse because I am from a country that I believe is overpopulated although families are starting to limit their number of children, especially in the mid-level and the professionals.

The government has the biggest role in terms of overpopulation and sparsely populated countries. It would be easier to manage underpopulated rather than overpopulated. In an underpopulated country, resources are too much which means employment is not a problem and people will be earning bigger since their demand is higher. Higher income means high the government will also have more funds from taxation and less problem of poverty. This also means the ability to get better deals from overpopulated countries that do not have a lot to offer rather than manpower and cheap labor. 

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A close look at this situation shows that many of these overpopulated nations mostly in Africa and Asia are underdeveloped. While these underpopulated nations are economically buoyant. I think the reason for the poverty of these developing nations is not the population but bad governance and the inability to maximize and distribute available resources equally.  We cannot deny the fact that these overpopulated nations are economically important to these developed nations in terms of human resources. And they contribute immensely to the development of these first-world nations in terms of cheap labour.

How do you think these developed nations will fill vacancies in their nations and get cheap labor if the population of these developing nations is reduced?
limiting the birth rate will only worsen the situation of the country's population in the future, just look at how Japan and Singapore have suppressed birth rates, currently their country lacks productive age, this is what encourages developed countries that are underpopulated to make it easier for citizens of productive age who come from other countries to enter their country and provide decent and well-paid jobs.

Instead of reducing birth rates, what governments in developed countries should do is spread their population evenly and encourage productive-age citizens to rebuild cities that have begun to be abandoned, large populations never destroy a country, instead it adds to the strength of the country.

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The population could be a blessing or a curse. This depends on the leaders of the country we are talking about and the people therein.

If policies are not good enough, the higher the population, the more devasting it would be. Another thing about the population is about those people that form the population (the masses), if they are nonentities, then there is nothing much positive that would come out of it.
Bro, you got it right. That enormous population thing hasn't favoured Africa because of selfish leadership. In China, the reverse is the case. The Chinese can produce and consume what they've and still survive. Corruption is at its lowest ebb in China and that has helped them to effectively manage themselves. Africa is cursed (yes, I make bold to say that) with bad leadership. The enormous population, especially in my country has continually made things deplorable as the scarce infrastructure is getting more scarce by each passing day.



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One of the reason while some of the over populated countries are under developed is as result of lack of management and unemployment to the nation, because they can not control the numbers of individuals living in their environment per say, so I believe that many people who have over population always have inflation and what means a country not have not developed is based on the economy of the country.

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It could be a strength or a weakness . It is determined by the environment. China is one of the most populous countries on earth yet technologically they are ahead, they don suffer from hunger or starvation. They have a very low crime rate and have managed to fight off corruption in their country.  The same thing cannot be said of India for instance. India still struggles with systematic corruption, pollution and inability to Carter for the needs of her citizenry. I think that China is the model country for other countries who need to learn about population growth and expansion can take a lead from.

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It could be a strength or a weakness . It is determined by the environment. China is one of the most populous countries on earth yet technologically they are ahead, they don suffer from hunger or starvation. They have a very low crime rate and have managed to fight off corruption in their country.  The same thing cannot be said of India for instance. India still struggles with systematic corruption, pollution and inability to Carter for the needs of her citizenry. I think that China is the model country for other countries who need to learn about population growth and expansion can take a lead from.

Instead of environment I'd say it's the government. Of course a lot of factors affects the outcome of whether or not population can affect a country positively or negatively. However, most of these factors are under the decision and leadership of the government.

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July 29, 2023, 05:10:29 AM
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It could be a strength or a weakness . It is determined by the environment. China is one of the most populous countries on earth yet technologically they are ahead, they don suffer from hunger or starvation. They have a very low crime rate and have managed to fight off corruption in their country.  The same thing cannot be said of India for instance. India still struggles with systematic corruption, pollution and inability to Carter for the needs of her citizenry. I think that China is the model country for other countries who need to learn about population growth and expansion can take a lead from.
I do not think we can use China as a model for the management of their population, their one child policy lead to tens of millions of forced abortions and sterilizations, there is also an imbalance of men and women as Chinese families traditionally prefer men over women, and finally now the Chinese government is realizing they may not have enough young workers to fuel their economic growth, this means the problems regarding its demographics are even bigger at China than in most western countries.
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A big population can be a strength if it's managed properly, in a way that encourages the people in the workforce to be productive, to open businesses, to innovate, and to pay taxes. A small population can be a weakness if a country is in a politically unstable reagion/situation (because bigger neighbors can be a real threat to reckon with) and also, again, if it's not managed properly. There are prosperous nations with big and small populations, big and small territories.
I think overpopulation is a real problem in some countries, and so is underpopulation, but overall the amount of people does not determine the economic success.

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July 29, 2023, 04:52:26 PM
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A big population can be a strength if it's managed properly, in a way that encourages the people in the workforce to be productive, to open businesses, to innovate, and to pay taxes. A small population can be a weakness if a country is in a politically unstable reagion/situation (because bigger neighbors can be a real threat to reckon with) and also, again, if it's not managed properly. There are prosperous nations with big and small populations, big and small territories.
A big population has advantage to create bigger wealth if the society is well functioned and can product good things which have value but if the society is malfunctioned, it will be a burden of the world with poverty, diseases and immoral activities.

A small population can be very wealth if it is excellently in operations but we rarely see such population. It is hard for Switzerland, Singapore to have big economy like the USA. or China.
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July 29, 2023, 06:15:14 PM
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One of the reason while some of the over populated countries are under developed is as result of lack of management and unemployment to the nation, because they can not control the numbers of individuals living in their environment per say, so I believe that many people who have over population always have inflation and what means a country not have not developed is based on the economy of the country.

You're right, population should be a major to how to quantify the strength of a nation and not that population should be it's counterfeit for development because countries with higher population should have more opportunities to get severed of equal rights since the numbers of the people will increase the domestic productivity of the country which be incentivise more internal generation revenue for the government and this same IGR will still be returned back to the society in helping the people and less privileged among them including community services government render for free such as road network, light and electricity.



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July 29, 2023, 07:06:03 PM
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A close look at this situation shows that many of these overpopulated nations mostly in Africa and Asia are underdeveloped. While these underpopulated nations are economically buoyant. I think the reason for the poverty of these developing nations is not the population but bad governance and the inability to maximize and distribute available resources equally.  We cannot deny the fact that these overpopulated nations are economically important to these developed nations in terms of human resources. And they contribute immensely to the development of these first-world nations in terms of cheap labour.

How do you think these developed nations will fill vacancies in their nations and get cheap labor if the population of these developing nations is reduced?

Statistics says the first 3 most populated countries of the world are China, India and then follow by United State and yet if we are to consider the development of those countries, they are biggest among the dominants, and by the numbers, they are developed countries that are doing fine; The first african country among the largest populated country is Nigeria and by resources, they are bless just that corruption has eaten them badly which has affected their devlopment including me that is typing, African countries are bless.

One of the main cause of over population is religion, illetracy and ignorance, people with religious believe will tell you that they will practice what they believe and that is why over population will be difficult to control, even those that don't practice religion are not taking measures but I think as inflation is hitting everyone and price of goods are increasing, it is becoming difficult for them to maintain 3 square meal, they don't have choice than to maintain because the poor are the major problem of this over population.

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We have had different analyses about the implication of population on the economy of a nation. Some economists will argue that the reason for the underdevelopment of most countries is because of overpopulation. Hence they are advised to cut down the population through diverse means like birth control and so on. In other countries, economists are also predicting economic woes because of underpopulation. These nations have been advised to increase the birth rate through diverse means. Some nations are giving citizens diverse welfare packages to increase the number of children they have. Some are encouraging immigration to fill the gaps created by the labor shortages.

A close look at this situation shows that many of these overpopulated nations mostly in Africa and Asia are underdeveloped. While these underpopulated nations are economically buoyant. I think the reason for the poverty of these developing nations is not the population but bad governance and the inability to maximize and distribute available resources equally.  We cannot deny the fact that these overpopulated nations are economically important to these developed nations in terms of human resources. And they contribute immensely to the development of these first-world nations in terms of cheap labour.

How do you think these developed nations will fill vacancies in their nations and get cheap labor if the population of these developing nations is reduced?
I agree, let's make our country as an example we have a lot of good resources and good things that will made our economy good and improve but due to the corruption and bad education system we cannot maximize this resources. We have a very poor economic strategy , so many people now migrated overseas even though the cost of living is costly too , they just want to escape this country.
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July 29, 2023, 08:59:10 PM
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You described 2 abnormal situation about the population, underpopulation and overpopulation. Of course, these situations will bring bad impacts on the economic status on the countries. Those country with underpopulation, they probably are difficult to have enough human resource. But they can deal this situation by importing the labors from other countries. Japan is one of the example of the country that import the labors because they have not enough human resource. While the country with overpopulation, they will be difficult to manage the issues about their society. Surely one of the solution is to let them spreading to other countries as the labors.

However, I can agree that the economic weakness is also caused by the bad management of the government. There are many corrupt governments, and they also can't utilize their natural resources due to their lack of knowledge and equipment.


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