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September 19, 2023, 09:48:58 PM
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Under population is not very good and that is what will make a country open their borders for foreigners out of need for labour force. I think there is a solution to this through government policy by giving rewards to couples who increase the numbers of children they give birth to depending on the number stipulated by government. Another point is to discourage abortion because people do that as final resort when they have no other option.
Of course, under population is a problem. A country can face some problems in the future if they have under population. It happens in Japan, they are facing a problem of under population. The number of foreigners is increasing constantly to deal with the situation. If too many foreigners, I think it won't be good for Japan in the future.

Well, this problem is probably caused by the lifestyle, the economic situation, or lack of confidence from mature people to raise children. The government should make a special program to all people that they must be confident to grow children. The government must support with assistance programs, so there are no mature people who doubt to have children. Also, the idea to give rewards for the couples that have children seem good to apply as well.



- https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/13/asia/japan-population-decline-record-drop-intl-hnk/index.html
- https://www.dw.com/en/japan-can-anything-be-done-to-stop-population-decline/a-66432824#:~:text=Japan%20now%20has%20122.4%20million,and%20tried%20to%20offer%20solutions.


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September 19, 2023, 10:20:40 PM
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Under population is not very good and that is what will make a country open their borders for foreigners out of need for labour force. I think there is a solution to this through government policy by giving rewards to couples who increase the numbers of children they give birth to depending on the number stipulated by government. Another point is to discourage abortion because people do that as final resort when they have no other option.
Of course, under population is a problem. A country can face some problems in the future if they have under population. It happens in Japan, they are facing a problem of under population. The number of foreigners is increasing constantly to deal with the situation. If too many foreigners, I think it won't be good for Japan in the future.

Well, this problem is probably caused by the lifestyle, the economic situation, or lack of confidence from mature people to raise children. The government should make a special program to all people that they must be confident to grow children. The government must support with assistance programs, so there are no mature people who doubt to have children. Also, the idea to give rewards for the couples that have children seem good to apply as well.

I don't think it's a bad idea to employ the skills and services of foreigners by countries that those manpower skills and services are lacking due to underpopulation, if a country fears for it's future by opening her boarder to foreigner with the needed skills to troop then the government of such country's would be doing a disservice to her people as they would have to work constant overtime and that can lead to a more breakdown in human capital.

Why can salvage the situation is just as you both agreed on the government to create a programme that will encourage couples and single matured people to increase their number of childbirth, cause where the necessary
social  amenities and welfare service are working fine people won't think twice before giving birth knowing fully it won't turn out to be a burden alas.
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September 19, 2023, 10:40:57 PM
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Excess population is mostly responsible for the underdevelopment of a country. As overpopulation is a major problem, the government has asked for some measures to be taken in taking children. According to the government, two children are enough. But if the government of a country can create employment for people, then the population is not a matter, the economic development of your country is calculated by per capita income. If the per capita income is high, then that country will develop. If employment opportunities are not created for the people of the country then instead of increasing the per capita income will decrease every year and the unemployment rate will increase after which the economic condition of a country will become very bad. In countries where there is not enough employment, the governments of those countries usually do various campaigns to have fewer children.
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September 19, 2023, 10:59:39 PM
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Population growth and the unplanned occurrence of this increase is a big problem for states. If the education level of the increasing population is low and qualified individuals cannot be raised, poverty begins in that country. This is inevitable. The population wants to be fed and economic power is needed to feed these people. If a population without added value emerges, big problems will arise.

To prevent these, studies should be carried out under the name of population planning. Anything unplanned brings trouble. Therefore, a planned population ensures that the population contributes positively to the economy.
In my own observation every populated country are blessed with enough resources to take care of them, but in this regard assume they have good government the citizens will enjoy their wealth, but due to bad leaders we are experiencing that why we are suffering. It is the responsibility of government to take good care of her country, in time of health, education, housing, etc. If government provide good education to the citizens it make it easier for the government to rule because the people will be able to understand what the government want.

No nation will boldly said that they didn't plan for the population of the country in future.

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September 19, 2023, 11:37:25 PM
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In my own observation every populated country are blessed with enough resources to take care of them, but in this regard assume they have good government the citizens will enjoy their wealth, but due to bad leaders we are experiencing that why we are suffering. It is the responsibility of government to take good care of her country, in time of health, education, housing, etc. If government provide good education to the citizens it make it easier for the government to rule because the people will be able to understand what the government want.

No nation will boldly said that they didn't plan for the population of the country in future.
All government parties in all countries certainly promise to continue to prosper their country when they nominate themselves as leader of the country. Even though the promises they made were not necessarily kept, they did this just to get votes from their own people. In general, the government's responsibility is large because they must be able to organize all aspects very well so that welfare figures can be seen enough in their country.

However, this often seems imperfect in some countries, so that up to now there are still countries that are densely populated and have sufficient resources, but the citizens cannot fully enjoy their own wealth. In fact, this could also be caused by the lack of human resources that the government can rely on, so it is true that the government should care more about education. And also health so that their human resources can develop well enough and in accordance with what is required by the state.
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September 19, 2023, 11:57:07 PM
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In many cases population may be more or less problem, but I think if population is converted into skilled manpower by education training technical knowledge etc. human resource development knowledge Then population will never be a burden to a country and will act as a measure of progress. Many countries are now taking various steps to increase population If the population of the underdeveloped and developing countries does not increase, how can the developed countries get everything cheaply, it is quite correct in one aspect because the population in my country is very high, that's why people of our country go abroad more.Jan Population is a problem in many cases and a boon in many cases like covid 19Due to the large population and high income, my country will survive fairly well.According to them, if the population can be made efficient through proper planning, it will act as a force, and India and China are examples.Their high population is working as a blessing many countries are developed despite low population, but you have to remember that small money divided by small number seems high per capita but high population If they are divided by few, the amount of income seems to be less but when considered as a whole, more population is more power of the state. Every populous country is more successful in coming out of any problem Because they succeed in working in the day of danger.
Finally, population will definitely add strength to more economic sectors if the political leaders have proper plan to run the country they consider population as a resource and plan accordingly Creating by technical know-how definitely works economically strong.
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Population growth and the unplanned occurrence of this increase is a big problem for states. If the education level of the increasing population is low and qualified individuals cannot be raised, poverty begins in that country. This is inevitable. The population wants to be fed and economic power is needed to feed these people. If a population without added value emerges, big problems will arise.

To prevent these, studies should be carried out under the name of population planning. Anything unplanned brings trouble. Therefore, a planned population ensures that the population contributes positively to the economy.
In my own observation every populated country are blessed with enough resources to take care of them, but in this regard assume they have good government the citizens will enjoy their wealth, but due to bad leaders we are experiencing that why we are suffering. It is the responsibility of government to take good care of her country, in time of health, education, housing, etc. If government provide good education to the citizens it make it easier for the government to rule because the people will be able to understand what the government want.

No nation will boldly said that they didn't plan for the population of the country in future.
Managing resources is indeed the government's responsibility, but the government cannot do it without human resources capable of processing them and employing foreign workers who can process them is indeed a good choice but it would be better if the government provided good education for its people so they can manage existing resources themselves and this will help revive the economy of their own community. You are right that there is no country that doesn't think about the welfare of its people, but there are some governments that don't think about the welfare of their people, they are more concerned with themselves I think this is what can hinder economic growth in the area.
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September 20, 2023, 03:18:01 AM
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Excess population is mostly responsible for the underdevelopment of a country. As overpopulation is a major problem, the government has asked for some measures to be taken in taking children. According to the government, two children are enough. But if the government of a country can create employment for people, then the population is not a matter, the economic development of your country is calculated by per capita income. If the per capita income is high, then that country will develop. If employment opportunities are not created for the people of the country then instead of increasing the per capita income will decrease every year and the unemployment rate will increase after which the economic condition of a country will become very bad. In countries where there is not enough employment, the governments of those countries usually do various campaigns to have fewer children.


I think that overpopulation has its effects in terms of the economic status of a country, and it can go either way. As what you had mentioned, overpopulation might harm the development of a country if there are no enough employment that would suffice the whole population. In which I think, overpopulation wouldn't do any good for a developing country, as it might hinder them for developing. Another thing, overpopulation can lead to scarcity because the demand is higher than the availability of the resources.

Given all the reasons, I must say that population is an economic weakness. But, one of the ways that I can think of to make population as a strength, is to invest in producing functional and productive citizen. If a country has a huge population, but consists of effective and efficient citizen, it will positively contribute to the development and economic growth of the country. Simply, more productive citizen means more taxes, and more taxes means more funding for the government.



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September 20, 2023, 09:53:22 AM
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Overpopulation is good for the economy and development but overpopulation is the opposite. How a country manages its population determines its destiny. With the right economic and population management, a country can have both a strong economy and military power. The orthodox view is that overpopulation is bad for the economy. Revisionists, argue that a high growth rate contributes positively to economic growth by increasing human capital accumulation.

Attempts to reduce population growth are therefore unnecessary or harmful for economic growth. The most important point here is that my comments are not based on overpopulation but on the population that should be there. Otherwise, the richest, most developed and prosperous countries in the world would be China, India and Pakistan. There is no correct premise for population and economic development and every view has its rights and wrongs.

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Population growth and the unplanned occurrence of this increase is a big problem for states. If the education level of the increasing population is low and qualified individuals cannot be raised, poverty begins in that country. This is inevitable. The population wants to be fed and economic power is needed to feed these people. If a population without added value emerges, big problems will arise.

To prevent these, studies should be carried out under the name of population planning. Anything unplanned brings trouble. Therefore, a planned population ensures that the population contributes positively to the economy.
In my own observation every populated country are blessed with enough resources to take care of them, but in this regard assume they have good government the citizens will enjoy their wealth, but due to bad leaders we are experiencing that why we are suffering. It is the responsibility of government to take good care of her country, in time of health, education, housing, etc. If government provide good education to the citizens it make it easier for the government to rule because the people will be able to understand what the government want.

No nation will boldly said that they didn't plan for the population of the country in future.
Although there are big countries that have handled overpopulation fairly well we cannot ignore that there are those who are not as fortunate. In the country I live in, there is no doubt that overpopulation is brewing as more and more children are being born every day, and based on statistics an average family here has 3-5 children. In this country, it is very much seen how the country is having much trouble handling the demand of people as food supplies and basic necessities are not being distributed fairly due to low supplies (the country is basically experiencing food shortage and agricultural issues for years now). There is also the issue of education wherein public academic institutions are overpopulated by students, having one classroom to cater to 50-60 students). Although the rich may not see the problem, it is certainly the less fortunate ones who feel the problem every day. Nevertheless, I agree with you regarding the responsibility of the government here and their failure (or lack of action) to attend to them problem brought by overpopulation.

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We have had different analyses about the implication of population on the economy of a nation. Some economists will argue that the reason for the underdevelopment of most countries is because of overpopulation. Hence they are advised to cut down the population through diverse means like birth control and so on. In other countries, economists are also predicting economic woes because of underpopulation. These nations have been advised to increase the birth rate through diverse means. Some nations are giving citizens diverse welfare packages to increase the number of children they have. Some are encouraging immigration to fill the gaps created by the labor shortages.

A close look at this situation shows that many of these overpopulated nations mostly in Africa and Asia are underdeveloped. While these underpopulated nations are economically buoyant. I think the reason for the poverty of these developing nations is not the population but bad governance and the inability to maximize and distribute available resources equally.  We cannot deny the fact that these overpopulated nations are economically important to these developed nations in terms of human resources. And they contribute immensely to the development of these first-world nations in terms of cheap labour.


Possible can be included with the management of the government sometimes, even a good developing country from the previous management can easily manage the growth of an economy but of course not all through years they are the ones who handle the community, and the next administration doesn't really care about the community just for the money itself this can be possible makes the people suffer because of this wrong decision made by them. The reason why getting wise to vote is ideal and just known only.

Too much population too can affect the economy and if the parents are not capable of supporting the basic needs of their children and this cycle as always happened and the government is not prepared with this case reason why they didn't give all the support needed by those people. AFAIK in some country there a restriction with the limit of possible children they have.

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The answer is simple: everything needs a balance !
A large population is bad. A small population is bad. A poor population is bad. Uneducated population - bad. A spoiled population is bad. But this issue is not just on the government's side. The population itself should also understand about children - who and how many they raise ! Who it will be - educated, intelligent, with prospects ... Or poor, uneducated, with minimal interests in life....

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According to me population does not affect economy much.  A country's development prospects depend on its system of governance.  The more industrious and creative the nation is, the more advanced the nation is.  A country can use more population as a tool for development.  China is a country with a large population. So why is China underdeveloped?  China has reached the pinnacle of development by harnessing the power of the people.  If the country's management system is correct, the country is bound to develop.  Some country is trying to reduce its population.  Some country is trying to increase its population . Instead of doing this, the head of state should use the manpower.


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The answer is simple: everything needs a balance !
A large population is bad. A small population is bad. A poor population is bad. Uneducated population - bad. A spoiled population is bad. But this issue is not just on the government's side. The population itself should also understand about children - who and how many they raise ! Who it will be - educated, intelligent, with prospects ... Or poor, uneducated, with minimal interests in life....

I think the poor population needs balancing and I don't think it's always bad, it's just that they need a helping hand to get some opportunities to improve their quality of life and standard of living.

That's right, it's definitely a shared responsibility and it's not just the government that is used as an excuse if it doesn't work, but also the smallest elements starting from the family and parents also play a role in raising and ensuring their growth and development and that requires good planning.

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According to me population does not affect economy much.  A country's development prospects depend on its system of governance.  The more industrious and creative the nation is, the more advanced the nation is.  A country can use more population as a tool for development.  China is a country with a large population. So why is China underdeveloped?  China has reached the pinnacle of development by harnessing the power of the people.  If the country's management system is correct, the country is bound to develop.  Some country is trying to reduce its population.  Some country is trying to increase its population . Instead of doing this, the head of state should use the manpower.
Population levels are often linked to the problem of a country's economic growth. And this is indeed true. Because population levels sometimes also affect the country's economy itself. It's just where the economy is moving. In a good direction or in a bad direction. So it all depends on how the government and society build the nation itself. If the large population is utilized well then it can indeed be a good economic force. Like a country will not experience a labor crisis. Because human resources are sufficient. But if the government cannot balance the population and the number of job opportunities or job vacancies then this will also create a lot of unemployment and there will be an imbalance in the economy of society in that country. so this problem is actually quite a dilemma.

But several developed countries are currently struggling to face the population crisis in their countries. For example, the latest news is that Singapore is also facing a baby crisis. because married couples in Singapore rarely seem to decide to have children in the near future after marriage. This has an impact on the baby crisis in the country.
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How do you think these developed nations will fill vacancies in their nations and get cheap labor if the population of these developing nations is reduced?

In countries with poor economies, there are problems with overpopulation, this is not the problem. The problem is a corrupt government that does not solve this problem well. Of course, as China, it is possible to strictly limit the number of children in the family, but why? It is better to create conditions under which all this large number of citizens will be involved in the economy, and this can give a strong jump in the economic vector of the country. It's just that the governments of such countries need to provide affordable schools and educational institutions, and then jobs.

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How do you think these developed nations will fill vacancies in their nations and get cheap labor if the population of these developing nations is reduced?

In countries with poor economies, there are problems with overpopulation, this is not the problem. The problem is a corrupt government that does not solve this problem well. Of course, as China, it is possible to strictly limit the number of children in the family, but why? It is better to create conditions under which all this large number of citizens will be involved in the economy, and this can give a strong jump in the economic vector of the country. It's just that the governments of such countries need to provide affordable schools and educational institutions, and then jobs.
I agree with you regarding this, of course, the government has a role in this--the problem of overpopulation and its effects. However, we should not be just focusing there, we cannot deny the fact that the people are also responsible. While the government lacks the support it should be giving to the people, the people are just being too reliant on the government. Both parties have responsibilities to take in order for the problem of overpopulation to be dealt with. No matter how many public schools that provide free education and job fares there are, if the people refuse to make a move then it will be all for nothing. The support should indeed come from the government, as that is the responsibility they have for the people they are governing, but the action of change should also come from the people themselves because if they do not choose to help themselves and continue with their lifestyle of producing kids without knowing what they will do in order to provide the needs of these kids in the future and just hold on to what the government should be doing, nothing will change.

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September 26, 2023, 01:16:30 AM
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I agree with you regarding this, of course, the government has a role in this--the problem of overpopulation and its effects. However, we should not be just focusing there, we cannot deny the fact that the people are also responsible. While the government lacks the support it should be giving to the people, the people are just being too reliant on the government. Both parties have responsibilities to take in order for the problem of overpopulation to be dealt with. No matter how many public schools that provide free education and job fares there are, if the people refuse to make a move then it will be all for nothing. The support should indeed come from the government, as that is the responsibility they have for the people they are governing, but the action of change should also come from the people themselves because if they do not choose to help themselves and continue with their lifestyle of producing kids without knowing what they will do in order to provide the needs of these kids in the future and just hold on to what the government should be doing, nothing will change.
You are right that both government and society have an important role in both of these matters. I think that every place has environmental conditions that are different from other places, so the impact of overpopulation will be different from one place to another. If a place has a good government system, it will certainly be able to provide jobs for the people so that they get a decent income and can meet their needs, but if the government system is not good then they don't think about the impact of overpopulation on the environment.

I really agree with you that the government must provide support to its people in terms of improving the welfare of the people they lead, and the people must be more independent if the government does not care about the impact of excess population on their environment.
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September 26, 2023, 03:03:26 AM
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In countries with poor economies, there are problems with overpopulation, this is not the problem. The problem is a corrupt government that does not solve this problem well. Of course, as China, it is possible to strictly limit the number of children in the family, but why? It is better to create conditions under which all this large number of citizens will be involved in the economy, and this can give a strong jump in the economic vector of the country. It's just that the governments of such countries need to provide affordable schools and educational institutions, and then jobs.
While the government plays a pivotal role in the nation, citizens must also equip themselves to fill vacant job positions. At times, citizens may desire excessive freedom and autonomy, not realizing that job opportunities may remain unfilled for reasons that lack rationality.

We cannot perpetually rely on the government to support our entire lives. Governments will invariably prioritize their own interests, which is why corruption occurs. We, too, must consider our individual livelihoods and avoid placing excessively high expectations on the government.
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September 26, 2023, 04:32:17 AM
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How do you think these developed nations will fill vacancies in their nations and get cheap labor if the population of these developing nations is reduced?

In countries with poor economies, there are problems with overpopulation, this is not the problem. The problem is a corrupt government that does not solve this problem well. Of course, as China, it is possible to strictly limit the number of children in the family, but why? It is better to create conditions under which all this large number of citizens will be involved in the economy, and this can give a strong jump in the economic vector of the country. It's just that the governments of such countries need to provide affordable schools and educational institutions, and then jobs.
I agree with you regarding this, of course, the government has a role in this--the problem of overpopulation and its effects. However, we should not be just focusing there, we cannot deny the fact that the people are also responsible. While the government lacks the support it should be giving to the people, the people are just being too reliant on the government. Both parties have responsibilities to take in order for the problem of overpopulation to be dealt with. No matter how many public schools that provide free education and job fares there are, if the people refuse to make a move then it will be all for nothing. The support should indeed come from the government, as that is the responsibility they have for the people they are governing, but the action of change should also come from the people themselves because if they do not choose to help themselves and continue with their lifestyle of producing kids without knowing what they will do in order to provide the needs of these kids in the future and just hold on to what the government should be doing, nothing will change.

In this case, to solve the problem of overpopulation, the citizens of the country themselves need motivation to change their situation. I mean the motivation to study in schools, institutes, and then the desire to work well, and not to serve time in the workplace. In general, that quality is called engagement. Parents should also impose it on their children, creating strong motivation and, of course, qualities such as good upbringing and kindness. Then the changes will be complete.

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