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July 24, 2023, 07:28:14 AM
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The mains purpose for the black sea grain deal as brokered by Russia and Ukraine was to make sure supply of grains in good quantity is spread around the poor nations of the world by the Ukraine through the back sea but from what we are getting from analysis of 32.9 million metric tonnes exported from Ukraine since August more than half of it were going to the developed and advanced nations that are well to do with just about 2.5% to the poor nations an export diversion that's closely monitored by UN reps and Turkey yet no alarm was raised about this.
It was last year that I said this deal is only going to benefit NATO while the propaganda machines in Europe were constantly talking about helping Africa with the deal. It was obvious from day one that Europe is desperately trying to fill their storages and diminish the effects of the food crisis in EU.
Today the stats are also showing that they did steal the food that was supposed to go to poor countries such as Africa. It is a lot higher than reported in the news.

The only reason why propaganda machines are active again and severely brainwashed people like OP are talking about food security in the "world" is because after this deal was broken Europe will start experiencing the food crisis that was going on in places like Africa to some extent.

P.S. This could also be another reason why US is increasing tensions in West Asia by destabilizing the whole region by activating its terrorist proxies considering that this is the land based route that is being established that could move goods including food stuff to Africa (and elsewhere) much quicker and safer without EU or US being able to steal any of it...

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July 24, 2023, 04:56:31 PM
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It was last year that I said this deal is only going to benefit NATO while the propaganda machines in Europe were constantly talking about helping Africa with the deal. It was obvious from day one that Europe is desperately trying to fill their storages and diminish the effects of the food crisis in EU.
Today the stats are also showing that they did steal the food that was supposed to go to poor countries such as Africa. It is a lot higher than reported in the news.

The only reason why propaganda machines are active again and severely brainwashed people like OP are talking about food security in the "world" is because after this deal was broken Europe will start experiencing the food crisis that was going on in places like Africa to some extent.

The information that Europe is trying to appropriate grain from Ukraine can also be considered interested propaganda, because the situation in this matter is just completely opposite. The fact is that Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland, Romania and Slovakia have either banned or are ready to introduce a temporary ban on agricultural imports from Ukraine in recent days. They absolutely do not need grain from Ukraine and there are several reasons for this.

  In May 2022, the European Union abolished duties and quotas on the import of grain and other agricultural products from Ukraine, which became a victim of Russian aggression, for a year. As a result, the volume of Ukrainian agricultural exports to the EU countries increased by 65% over the year. The fact is that due to the blockade of Ukrainian ports on the Black Sea by the Russian fleet, the western direction has become practically the only way for Ukraine to export food. Later, through the mediation of the UN and Turkey, an agreement was concluded with Russia on the export of Ukrainian grain by sea. But this agreement did not cover the entire volume of exports, and it was unreliable: every few months it had to be extended, and Russia constantly slowed down participation in the inspection of ships loaded with grain and set various conditions for such an extension.

  Initially, it was assumed that a significant part of the Ukrainian grain entering the neighboring EU countries would not stay there and proceed through European ports to the countries of Africa and the Middle East, which are highly dependent on grain imports from Ukraine. But it happened differently. Due to the lack of control, Ukrainian grain, which is much cheaper than Polish or other European grain, was "delayed" in Central European warehouses and elevators and began to enter the local market. In addition, scammers-dealers, by falsifying documents, passed off Ukrainian industrial grain, intended for livestock feed, as local and suitable for making bread. In Poland, according to local authorities, about half of the importers of technical grain were engaged in such fraud. The price of grain in the markets of the countries of the region began to fall. Local farmers were outraged. This indignation turned out to be especially strong in Poland, where 4 million tons of Ukrainian grain accumulated. Poland's agriculture minister, Henryk Kowalczyk, who had previously urged farmers not to cut production because he thought prices were not expected to fall, has resigned. As a result, in mid-April, Poland first, followed by Hungary, Slovakia and Bulgaria, announced a ban on the import of grain and some other types of agricultural products from Ukraine. Romania threatened with similar measures. True, a couple of days after negotiations with Ukrainian representatives, the Polish side agreed to unblock the transit of grain, promising to introduce strict control over the routes of its passage through its territory. Slovakia and Bulgaria did not restrict transit from the very beginning.

The European Union did not leave the problems of farmers unattended: they were offered compensation in the amount of almost 60 million euros, of which Poland accounts for about 30 million, Bulgaria - almost 17, and Romania - 10 million. The local agricultural lobby considers this insufficient, and the European Commission seems to have decided to fork out: negotiations are underway for a second compensation package - in the amount of 100 million euros.

It should also be noted that Ukraine sends its grain and other agricultural products to other countries in accordance with the concluded contracts and according to the terms of delivery agreed upon in them. The relevant UN structures also participate in the distribution of grain.

https://www.dw.com/ru/konflikt-vokrug-importa-ukrainskogo-zerna-es-iset-vyhod/a-65357597

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://overclockers.ru/blog/Nacvark/show/90995/problemy-eksporta-ukrainskogo-zerna-v-evropu-i-pochemu-evropejskie-strany-otkazyvajutsya-ot-nego&ved=2ahUK EwjmnKKsv6eAAxW2EhAIHS8wCBEQFnoECDAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0uXXyIjIppX_m0_mJNNge9

https://biz.nv.ua/economics/strany-es-otkazyvayutsya-ot-ukrainskogo-zerna-novosti-ukrainy-50319548.html

https://www.svoboda.org/a/bitva-za-urozhay-pochemu-ukrainskoe-zerno-perestali-puskatj-v-evropu/32371678.html

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July 24, 2023, 09:01:40 PM
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You forgot to mention that:

1. Russia left the grain deal because of the Ukrainian drone attacks on Russian military ships safeguarding shipping routes.
2. Russia stated no attacks will be performed on the civilian vessels, they won't be sunk or shot at, but merely intercepted and taken to the port of Sevastopol.

Other than that your info is precise.  Grin
In fact, the only and greatest danger to the "grain" corridor is precisely the Russian ships of the Black Sea Fleet. Until the time when Russia attacked Ukraine and began to block its seaports with its fleet, there was no danger to civilian shipping. Russia almost every day shells the entire territory of Ukraine with all its might of the Black Sea Fleet and at the same time wants its warships not to be subjected to retaliatory attacks from Ukraine? It is somehow naive and stupid to hope for it.
So you're trying to say that Ukraine was not aware of this before they signed the deal? When you sign the deal you have to follow the rules and conditions of the deal. Otherwise there is no point of signing it at all. Don't you think so?

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At first, the Russian Ministry of Defense stated that they would sink all ships heading towards Ukrainian ports, and only after some time, fearing that they could be accused of piracy, they made the clarification you mentioned above.
Could you provide the source? Without a source, it's just an unsupported claim, sorry.
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July 24, 2023, 10:24:11 PM
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In fact, the only and greatest danger to the "grain" corridor is precisely the Russian ships of the Black Sea Fleet. Until the time when Russia attacked Ukraine and began to block its seaports with its fleet, there was no danger to civilian shipping. Russia almost every day shells the entire territory of Ukraine with all its might of the Black Sea Fleet and at the same time wants its warships not to be subjected to retaliatory attacks from Ukraine? It is somehow naive and stupid to hope for it.

At first, the Russian Ministry of Defense stated that they would sink all ships heading towards Ukrainian ports, and only after some time, fearing that they could be accused of piracy, they made the clarification you mentioned above.
Russia is fighting back in the best possible way to avoid such restrictions, but then again Russia is not the sole supplier of such grain and can't totally black the ships or else, the world will fight back and Russia will be more affected to this. Russia is making a strong ally with BRICS who are trying to make a deal with Russia, what we can expect right now is that more economic sanctions against Russia and I don't know if this will work but hopefully, Russia will stop the war against Ukraine and pay for everything.

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July 25, 2023, 06:40:41 AM
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You forgot to mention that:

1. Russia left the grain deal because of the Ukrainian drone attacks on Russian military ships safeguarding shipping routes.
2. Russia stated no attacks will be performed on the civilian vessels, they won't be sunk or shot at, but merely intercepted and taken to the port of Sevastopol.

Other than that your info is precise.  Grin
In fact, the only and greatest danger to the "grain" corridor is precisely the Russian ships of the Black Sea Fleet. Until the time when Russia attacked Ukraine and began to block its seaports with its fleet, there was no danger to civilian shipping. Russia almost every day shells the entire territory of Ukraine with all its might of the Black Sea Fleet and at the same time wants its warships not to be subjected to retaliatory attacks from Ukraine? It is somehow naive and stupid to hope for it.
So you're trying to say that Ukraine was not aware of this before they signed the deal? When you sign the deal you have to follow the rules and conditions of the deal. Otherwise there is no point of signing it at all. Don't you think so?

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At first, the Russian Ministry of Defense stated that they would sink all ships heading towards Ukrainian ports, and only after some time, fearing that they could be accused of piracy, they made the clarification you mentioned above.
Could you provide the source? Without a source, it's just an unsupported claim, sorry.
No direct agreements between Russia and Ukraine regarding the "grain agreement" were signed. Ukraine has concluded an agreement with Turkey and the UN on the conditions for the safe delivery of its argo products by sea to the world market. Russia has also entered into a similar agreement with Turkey and the UN. Therefore, Ukraine, firing drones on the Russian Black Sea Fleet in response to missile strikes on the territory of Ukraine, did not violate anything. The defense of its territory is an inalienable right of every state and is in accordance with the UN Charter.

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation initially officially stated: “In connection with the termination of the Black Sea Initiative and the curtailment of the maritime humanitarian corridor, from 00.00 Moscow time on July 20, 2023, all ships en route to Ukrainian ports in the Black Sea will be considered as potential carriers of military cargo. Accordingly, the flag countries of such ships will be considered involved in the Ukrainian conflict on the side of the Kiev regime.”

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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=Web&rct=j&opi=8978449&url=https://1prime.ru/state_regulation/20230719/84129477.html&ved=2AHUK EWJP-8FLN5UAAXUCCGHUH2CGQFNOECB4QAQ & USG = AOVVAWAW2Y-4

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July 25, 2023, 10:02:52 AM
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A lot of unnecessary panic has been spread by this "Russia stopping the grain deal" news.
The annual global grain production is somewhere around 878 million tons. Ukraine's grain export is 30 million tons and dropping fast.
I don't think that the lack of a new "grain deal" would cause such a big food crisis around the world. Russia will export more grain to the African and Asian countries, while Ukraine will also try to export more grain via railroads down to the harbours in Romania, Bulgaria and Greece.
The Odesa harbour was severely damaged by Russian missile strikes and any ships trying to enter the Ukraine territorial waters might be considered a military target by Russia. Unfortunately, this horrible war won't stop anytime soon.  

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July 25, 2023, 07:45:36 PM
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You forgot to mention that:

1. Russia left the grain deal because of the Ukrainian drone attacks on Russian military ships safeguarding shipping routes.
2. Russia stated no attacks will be performed on the civilian vessels, they won't be sunk or shot at, but merely intercepted and taken to the port of Sevastopol.

Other than that your info is precise.  Grin
In fact, the only and greatest danger to the "grain" corridor is precisely the Russian ships of the Black Sea Fleet. Until the time when Russia attacked Ukraine and began to block its seaports with its fleet, there was no danger to civilian shipping. Russia almost every day shells the entire territory of Ukraine with all its might of the Black Sea Fleet and at the same time wants its warships not to be subjected to retaliatory attacks from Ukraine? It is somehow naive and stupid to hope for it.
So you're trying to say that Ukraine was not aware of this before they signed the deal? When you sign the deal you have to follow the rules and conditions of the deal. Otherwise there is no point of signing it at all. Don't you think so?

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At first, the Russian Ministry of Defense stated that they would sink all ships heading towards Ukrainian ports, and only after some time, fearing that they could be accused of piracy, they made the clarification you mentioned above.
Could you provide the source? Without a source, it's just an unsupported claim, sorry.

No direct agreements between Russia and Ukraine regarding the "grain agreement" were signed. Ukraine has concluded an agreement with Turkey and the UN on the conditions for the safe delivery of its argo products by sea to the world market. Russia has also entered into a similar agreement with Turkey and the UN. Therefore, Ukraine, firing drones on the Russian Black Sea Fleet in response to missile strikes on the territory of Ukraine, did not violate anything. The defense of its territory is an inalienable right of every state and is in accordance with the UN Charter.

That is not true. Ukraine signed the deal with Russia in Turkey. The deal was mediated by UN and Turkey but the agreement's parties were Ukraine and Russia. If you have a source to prove the opposite, please go on and provide it. Ukraine sure has the right to defend it's territory but in this case they shouldn't have signed the agreement knowing they won't be able to maintain it.

Quote from: Argoo
The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation initially officially stated: “In connection with the termination of the Black Sea Initiative and the curtailment of the maritime humanitarian corridor, from 00.00 Moscow time on July 20, 2023, all ships en route to Ukrainian ports in the Black Sea will be considered as potential carriers of military cargo. Accordingly, the flag countries of such ships will be considered involved in the Ukrainian conflict on the side of the Kiev regime.”

Source:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=Web&rct=j&opi=8978449&url=https://1prime.ru/state_regulation/20230719/84129477.html&ved=2AHUK EWJP-8FLN5UAAXUCCGHUH2CGQFNOECB4QAQ & USG = AOVVAWAW2Y-4

As far as I can see it doesn't say anything about "shooting", "sinking" or "destroying" in the article you provided.  Grin

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No direct agreements between Russia and Ukraine regarding the "grain agreement" were signed. Ukraine has concluded an agreement with Turkey and the UN on the conditions for the safe delivery of its argo products by sea to the world market. Russia has also entered into a similar agreement with Turkey and the UN. Therefore, Ukraine, firing drones on the Russian Black Sea Fleet in response to missile strikes on the territory of Ukraine, did not violate anything. The defense of its territory is an inalienable right of every state and is in accordance with the UN Charter.

That is not true. Ukraine signed the deal with Russia in Turkey. The deal was mediated by UN and Turkey but the agreement's parties were Ukraine and Russia. If you have a source to prove the opposite, please go on and provide it. Ukraine sure has the right to defend it's territory but in this case they shouldn't have signed the agreement knowing they won't be able to maintain it.

Quote from: Argoo
The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation initially officially stated: “In connection with the termination of the Black Sea Initiative and the curtailment of the maritime humanitarian corridor, from 00.00 Moscow time on July 20, 2023, all ships en route to Ukrainian ports in the Black Sea will be considered as potential carriers of military cargo. Accordingly, the flag countries of such ships will be considered involved in the Ukrainian conflict on the side of the Kiev regime.”

Source:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=Web&rct=j&opi=8978449&url=https://1prime.ru/state_regulation/20230719/84129477.html&ved=2AHUK EWJP-8FLN5UAAXUCCGHUH2CGQFNOECB4QAQ & USG = AOVVAWAW2Y-4

As far as I can see it doesn't say anything about "shooting", "sinking" or "destroying" in the article you provided.  Grin

I give links to articles that say that there were no direct agreements between Ukraine and Russia on the "grain corridor". Each side signed an agreement with Turkey and the UN. I specially selected links to Russian sites on this issue. If you say otherwise, then it's time for you to confirm that such an agreement between Ukraine and Russia was directly.

https://tass.ru/ekonomika/15286337

https://strana.today/news/400611-ukraina-podpisala-sohlashenie-s-turtsiej-i-oon-ob-eksporte-zerna-takoj-zhe-dokument-podpishut-rossijane.html

https://www.golosameriki.com/a/ukraine-grain-agreement-turkey/6669928.html

https://www.dw.com/en/dostignuto-soglashenie-ob-jeksporte-zerna-iz-ukrainy/a-62568319

https://www.rbc.ru/business/22/07/2022/62da8cfd9a794769c00b18e4

https://m.gazeta.ru/politics/2022/07/22/15169946.shtml

https://lenta.ru/news/2022/07/22/ukrainazerno/

https://www.bfm.ru/news/505048#bouncehttps://www.bfm.ru/news/505048#bounce

https://www.dw.com/ru/dostignuto-soglashenie-ob-jeksporte-zerna-iz-ukrainy/a-62568319https://www.dw.com/ru/dostignuto-soglashenie-ob-jeksporte-zerna- iz-ukrainy/a-62568319

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://meduza.io/feature/2022/07/22/v-stambule-zaklyucheny-soglasheniya-ob-eksporte- ukrainskogo-zerna-ukraina-otsenila-potentsialnuyu-vyruchku-ot-nih-v-milliard-dollarov-v-mesyats&ved=2ahUKEwiD9Ie1uauAAxW4gv0HHbf3AAA4ChAWegQIDxAB&usg=AOvVaw357qeQUnarZOvSXWYx-VsI

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://finance.ua/saving/ukraina-pidpysala-zernovu-ugodu&ved=2ahUKEwiD9Ie1uauAAxW4gv0HHbf3AAA4ChAWegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw2SSzu0dKAJ_cJ phlXnkiRr

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://24tv.ua/ru/ukraina-turcija-i-oon-podpisali-soglashenie-o-vyvoze-ukrainskogo- zerna-leshhenko_n2101370&ved=2ahUKEwiD9Ie1uauAAxW4gv0HHbf3AAA4ChAWegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw0vIkmtIZvSMGbjcpxZ0rdv

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2022/07/22/7359647/&ved=2ahUKEwjv6MWfuauAAxVHgf0HHRydBJkQFnoECDMQAQ&usg= AOvVaw28JWpxjinN1PFEH1fThRx_

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-62267628&ved=2ahUKEwjv6MWfuauAAxVHgf0HHRydBJkQjjh6BAgvEAE&usg=AOvVaw2TQJ0FRHa4zN1AnK FZtqhr

And what do you think, if in the conditions of hostilities between Russia and Ukraine, Russia declares that all ships going to Ukrainian seaports will be considered potential carriers of military cargo and involved in a military conflict, is this not a direct threat to sink them? However, judging by the text of the given links, I'm not the only one who thinks so.
What is interesting: when Ukraine announced similar measures, Russia immediately screamed that Ukraine was going to sink all ships bound for Russian ports.
Links:

https://strana.today/news/440279-minoborony-rf-zajavilo-chto-budet-topit-vse-korabli-kotorye-idut-v-ukrainskie-porty.html

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.dialog.ua/ukraine/277711_1689783746&ved=2ahUKEwjTga7qxauAAxVJXqQEHZUKD_kQFnoECB0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw36_1CDl ngGYpAckkKfUhIx

https://news.pn/ru/RussiaInvadedUkraine/294333

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.ukr.net/ru/news/details/politics/98681473.html&ved=2ahUKEwjTga7qxauAAxVJXqQEHZUKD_kQFnoECA4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw2bV8L XvWnQC1B49pFtyVEM

https://forpost-sevastopol.ru/newsfull/1072596/rossiya-prigrozila-topit-vse-sleduyuschie-v-ukrainu-suda.html#bounce

https://ku.life/politika/ukraina-ugrozhaet-topit-rossiyskie-korabli-v-chernom-more.html

https://krasnodar-news.net/society/2023/07/20/304155.html

https://www.rbc.ru/politics/20/07/2023/64b924859a79473a2c6a361a

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://smi2.ru/article/142578817/story&ved=2ahUKEwi9_IL5yKuAAxV5U6QEHVp7A4M4FBAWegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw1E3IoMoyyemdTbEC qiRK4o

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://glavred.info/ukraine/reakciya-budet-zerkalnoy-ukraina-otvetila-na-ugrozy-rf-topit- korabli-10487152.html&ved=2ahUKEwi9_IL5yKuAAxV5U6QEHVp7A4M4FBAWegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw1tSMDR-xRQYqdfVXRd0mjs

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://kick-league.ru/269371/Minoborony-Ukrainy-ugrozhaet-topit-suda-idushie-v-rossiiyskie- porty-po-Chernomu-moryu/&ved=2ahUKEwjJybH_xquAAxWAaqQEHcycBwM4ChAWegQIDhAB&usg=AOvVaw14SSahVzfaqSEwftZ3ke5_

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July 26, 2023, 04:50:19 PM
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Nations need to figure out a way to feed themselves, you can't rely on another nation to feed you and then be upset when something goes wrong. You were the one who relied on a different nation to feed your citizens, so when that nation does whatever they want, you were not ready for it.

I bet that it is going to be something difficult in the end, but if you can change anything then you are going to end up changing the situation a lot and you are going to end up with a situation where it will not be that interesting to see. I hope that people end up realizing that this isn't that easy, and we are going to end up seeing a whole lot of situation where it is going to be difficult, but this is just how things are and you need to be ready yourself.

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July 26, 2023, 07:05:58 PM
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The mains purpose for the black sea grain deal as brokered by Russia and Ukraine was to make sure supply of grains in good quantity is spread around the poor nations of the world by the Ukraine through the back sea but from what we are getting from analysis of 32.9 million metric tonnes exported from Ukraine since August more than half of it were going to the developed and advanced nations that are well to do with just about 2.5% to the poor nations an export diversion that's closely monitored by UN reps and Turkey yet no alarm was raised about this.
It was last year that I said this deal is only going to benefit NATO while the propaganda machines in Europe were constantly talking about helping Africa with the deal. It was obvious from day one that Europe is desperately trying to fill their storages and diminish the effects of the food crisis in EU.
Today the stats are also showing that they did steal the food that was supposed to go to poor countries such as Africa. It is a lot higher than reported in the news.

The only reason why propaganda machines are active again and severely brainwashed people like OP are talking about food security in the "world" is because after this deal was broken Europe will start experiencing the food crisis that was going on in places like Africa to some extent.

P.S. This could also be another reason why US is increasing tensions in West Asia by destabilizing the whole region by activating its terrorist proxies considering that this is the land based route that is being established that could move goods including food stuff to Africa (and elsewhere) much quicker and safer without EU or US being able to steal any of it...


One simple question to prove that you are willfully misrepresenting information.
So the question is: What terms of the deal were violated? Smiley

And while you are making up another nonsense, in an attempt to justify the country - international terrorist, and the world's biggest violator of international treaties, conventions and rules, I will tell you about the requirements that Russia puts forward to "resume" the grain "deal".
Russia demands... No, not to "fulfill" some fabulous violations. It demands:
- to remove sanctions that severely limit the ability to receive Western technology, without which technologically backward Russia cannot support itself.
- And the most important condition is to connect Rosselkhozbank, run by Patrushev's son, to SWIFT.  And now the question - why is it that suddenly, many months after this bank was disconnected from SWIFT, such a critical need suddenly appeared? The answer is that this bank, hiding behind programs like grain, used little-controlled mechanisms to launder and withdraw money from the top of the terrorist organization in the Kremlin. And now they are sitting with their rubles, and can not convert them into "no one needs dollars" and withdraw them to the "hated West" ! Smiley The information is easily verified !

And now you tell your touching fairy tale story ? Smiley

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July 27, 2023, 01:02:48 PM
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The mains purpose for the black sea grain deal as brokered by Russia and Ukraine was to make sure supply of grains in good quantity is spread around the poor nations of the world by the Ukraine through the back sea but from what we are getting from analysis of 32.9 million metric tonnes exported from Ukraine since August more than half of it were going to the developed and advanced nations that are well to do with just about 2.5% to the poor nations an export diversion that's closely monitored by UN reps and Turkey yet no alarm was raised about this.
It was last year that I said this deal is only going to benefit NATO while the propaganda machines in Europe were constantly talking about helping Africa with the deal. It was obvious from day one that Europe is desperately trying to fill their storages and diminish the effects of the food crisis in EU.
Today the stats are also showing that they did steal the food that was supposed to go to poor countries such as Africa. It is a lot higher than reported in the news.

The only reason why propaganda machines are active again and severely brainwashed people like OP are talking about food security in the "world" is because after this deal was broken Europe will start experiencing the food crisis that was going on in places like Africa to some extent.

P.S. This could also be another reason why US is increasing tensions in West Asia by destabilizing the whole region by activating its terrorist proxies considering that this is the land based route that is being established that could move goods including food stuff to Africa (and elsewhere) much quicker and safer without EU or US being able to steal any of it...

I looked up the information you are referring to and I think you have a point and that could be the reason why President Putin canceled the grain deal. And instead, he announced that Russia would provide free grain to Africa before the Russia-Africa summit. He said Russia will provide free 25-30 thousand tons of grain to Africa including shipping. With this news it confirms your previous arguments are absolutely true and there is no atrocity going on as OP and American fanatics spread.
https://african.business/2023/07/resources/putin-pledges-free-grain-for-africa-ahead-of-russia-africa-summit
https://en.portnews.ru/news/351004/

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The mains purpose for the black sea grain deal as brokered by Russia and Ukraine was to make sure supply of grains in good quantity is spread around the poor nations of the world by the Ukraine through the back sea but from what we are getting from analysis of 32.9 million metric tonnes exported from Ukraine since August more than half of it were going to the developed and advanced nations that are well to do with just about 2.5% to the poor nations an export diversion that's closely monitored by UN reps and Turkey yet no alarm was raised about this.
It was last year that I said this deal is only going to benefit NATO while the propaganda machines in Europe were constantly talking about helping Africa with the deal. It was obvious from day one that Europe is desperately trying to fill their storages and diminish the effects of the food crisis in EU.
Today the stats are also showing that they did steal the food that was supposed to go to poor countries such as Africa. It is a lot higher than reported in the news.

The only reason why propaganda machines are active again and severely brainwashed people like OP are talking about food security in the "world" is because after this deal was broken Europe will start experiencing the food crisis that was going on in places like Africa to some extent.

P.S. This could also be another reason why US is increasing tensions in West Asia by destabilizing the whole region by activating its terrorist proxies considering that this is the land based route that is being established that could move goods including food stuff to Africa (and elsewhere) much quicker and safer without EU or US being able to steal any of it...
There is at least one reason why the grain deal was also beneficial for Russia, and that is the answer to the question of why Russia waited a whole year to suspend the deal, although the original conditions were not met. Russia received a stream of parallel imports through Turkey, including electronic and optical components used in the manufacture of precision weapons. This was not advertised, but I think this is an open secret and the main reason why Russia does not run out of missiles, although this was predicted last spring. I think that now the flow of parallel imports goes through another country (for example, through the UAE), so the grain deal has been suspended.

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The use of military force and piracy to achieve political objectives is unacceptable and constitutes a serious violation of international law... the international community must condemn these actions and take measures to stop this type of aggression and blackmail that puts peace at risk and world stability. These actions, as you mention, in addition to having a devastating impact on the world economy and food security, increase the risk of famine in poor countries that depend on agricultural products exported from Ukraine... I think that armed conflict and trade war alone will cause suffering and hardship for all parties involved and the world community as a whole, but when it comes to Russia, I highly doubt they will seek a path to peace, cooperation and stability to ensure food security and well-being for all…
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There is at least one reason why the grain deal was also beneficial for Russia, and that is the answer to the question of why Russia waited a whole year to suspend the deal, although the original conditions were not met. Russia received a stream of parallel imports through Turkey, including electronic and optical components used in the manufacture of precision weapons. This was not advertised, but I think this is an open secret and the main reason why Russia does not run out of missiles, although this was predicted last spring. I think that now the flow of parallel imports goes through another country (for example, through the UAE), so the grain deal has been suspended.
There is never only one reason for these things, for example another reason is to increase the pressure on Europe. After all this is the next world war and it is being fought in multiple battlefields including energy, economy and food. Disrupting grain exports, fertilizer exports, etc. would show itself in the food market like the generally high food prices over the past year in Europe.

Additionally this puts pressure on other countries as well, specially when accompanied by other countries messing with the markets like the recent Indian rice export ban or the last year's ban on oil and oily grains by a couple of countries.
This could potentially have some economical benefits for Russia if they manage to struck new deals with countries that are affected (like in Asia and Africa) and increase their exports to those countries possibly even at higher prices.

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There is at least one reason why the grain deal was also beneficial for Russia, and that is the answer to the question of why Russia waited a whole year to suspend the deal, although the original conditions were not met. Russia received a stream of parallel imports through Turkey, including electronic and optical components used in the manufacture of precision weapons. This was not advertised, but I think this is an open secret and the main reason why Russia does not run out of missiles, although this was predicted last spring. I think that now the flow of parallel imports goes through another country (for example, through the UAE), so the grain deal has been suspended.
There is never only one reason for these things, for example another reason is to increase the pressure on Europe. After all this is the next world war and it is being fought in multiple battlefields including energy, economy and food. Disrupting grain exports, fertilizer exports, etc. would show itself in the food market like the generally high food prices over the past year in Europe.

Additionally this puts pressure on other countries as well, specially when accompanied by other countries messing with the markets like the recent Indian rice export ban or the last year's ban on oil and oily grains by a couple of countries.
This could potentially have some economical benefits for Russia if they manage to struck new deals with countries that are affected (like in Asia and Africa) and increase their exports to those countries possibly even at higher prices.
I'm not talking about Russia's gains from terminating the grain deal, which are fairly obvious, but about the less obvious reasons why Russia extended this seemingly unprofitable deal several times.

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I'm not talking about Russia's gains from terminating the grain deal, which are fairly obvious, but about the less obvious reasons why Russia extended this seemingly unprofitable deal several times.
That was an interesting point regarding precision weapons.
Whenever Turkey is involved that's a whole lot of complications on its own. A country that is geographically in the Eastern Bloc but is a part of NATO and dreams of being considered "part of Europe" while neither side wants them! So they play in the middle. One day they trade with Russia, the other day they try to shut down the sea route from Black Sea on Russia, then the other day they have conflict with a NATO member like Greece and clash with US in Syria.

So it is understandable to have such deals or extend them while "encouraging" Turkey to play a different game and when Turkey starts to change face, such deals also lose their benefit.

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A lot of unnecessary panic has been spread by this "Russia stopping the grain deal" news.
The annual global grain production is somewhere around 878 million tons. Ukraine's grain export is 30 million tons and dropping fast.
I don't think that the lack of a new "grain deal" would cause such a big food crisis around the world. Russia will export more grain to the African and Asian countries, while Ukraine will also try to export more grain via railroads down to the harbours in Romania, Bulgaria and Greece.
The Odesa harbour was severely damaged by Russian missile strikes and any ships trying to enter the Ukraine territorial waters might be considered a military target by Russia. Unfortunately, this horrible war won't stop anytime soon.  

There doesn't need to be a monumental shift in global food exports for there to be panic. It causes a domino affect and countries begin hording their own supplies and limiting their exports. Also combine this with the fact that other massive food suppliers have limited exports.

India is banning half of rice exports: https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/india-prohibits-export-non-basmati-white-rice-notice-2023-07-20/

This isn't related to the war, it's because of weather issues that India's deciding to limit global exports. But consider what the total effect will be India's a large global supplier too. During the early days of the war, there was some food stockpiling out of panic. Doesn't take much to cause hysteria.
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I looked up the information you are referring to and I think you have a point and that could be the reason why President Putin canceled the grain deal. And instead, he announced that Russia would provide free grain to Africa before the Russia-Africa summit. He said Russia will provide free 25-30 thousand tons of grain to Africa including shipping. With this news it confirms your previous arguments are absolutely true and there is no atrocity going on as OP and American fanatics spread.
https://african.business/2023/07/resources/putin-pledges-free-grain-for-africa-ahead-of-russia-africa-summit
https://en.portnews.ru/news/351004/
Always remember that free cheese is only in a mousetrap. Especially if Russia and Putin offer something free. True, at first, Putin may well interest African countries in free grain, which the Russian invaders are now stealing and massively exporting from the occupied territories of Ukraine through the Ukrainian port of Berdyansk, and by cars in the direction of Rostov.
In order to compromise Ukraine as a reliable supplier of grain and other agricultural products, Russia is now heavily bombarding Ukraine's Black Sea ports with cruise missiles, as well as Ukraine's grain supply route along the Danube. Therefore, the devil in Putin's guise cannot have good intentions. African countries need to be seriously wary of rapprochement with the Putin regime: they will give a dollar, take a thousand.

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This is a well written and informative write up, I appreciate that.  The sad thing is I know many, and I believe the majority of Russians want absolutely nothing to do with this war. Putin is an evil dictator, plain and simple.  It’s just too bad other nations like China and N Korea would back them up like they are.

Im not saying my country of the United States isn’t corrupt, because we are, but not in this type of fashion. Why can’t we just end war..imagine all the good that could come economically to nations when they spend money on the economy and not fighter jets and tanks. SMH

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July 28, 2023, 06:06:37 AM
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I see Putin has met with some African leaders for the second Russia-Africa summit, but the number of heads of states attending shrank from 43 then to 17.  Grin

MOSCOW, July 27 (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday told African leaders he would gift them tens of thousands of tons of grain despite Western sanctions.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-tells-african-leaders-ill-give-you-free-grain-despite-hypocritical-west-2023-07-27/

So, his strategy to garner support and to retain friends are to give out FREE grain.... in a time when nobody wants to buy grain from his country.  Roll Eyes

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