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July 28, 2023, 07:37:41 AM
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The use of military force and piracy to achieve political objectives is unacceptable and constitutes a serious violation of international law... the international community must condemn these actions and take measures to stop this type of aggression and blackmail that puts peace at risk and world stability. These actions, as you mention, in addition to having a devastating impact on the world economy and food security, increase the risk of famine in poor countries that depend on agricultural products exported from Ukraine... I think that armed conflict and trade war alone will cause suffering and hardship for all parties involved and the world community as a whole, but when it comes to Russia, I highly doubt they will seek a path to peace, cooperation and stability to ensure food security and well-being for all…
It was Russia's turn to stop exporting grain to Europe, asking for it to be withdrawn and asking for it to be reopened. It was Russia's turn to stop helping Ukraine, NATO and America were ignored, instead they continued to help by sending defense equipment. so it's only natural that it's balanced.

I think if they want to stop Russia from reopening exports, they have to stop helping arms to Ukraine and stop sanctions against Russia after that. Just have a truce and make peace. Of course Russia is willing (as long as Russia is not ordered to withdraw troops). Even if the reason is humanitarian hunger, if arms aid to Ukraine and sanctions against Russia are not stopped. Of course Russia doesn't want that. I as a layman also do not want.

So, his strategy to garner support and to retain friends are to give out FREE grain.... in a time when nobody wants to buy grain from his country.  Roll Eyes
All countries reacted, only scapegoating third countries who were starving, while Putin guaranteed the availability of food to African countries smoothly and for free and did not need to use any guarantees.
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July 28, 2023, 07:43:33 AM
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Yeah, I agree with the part of Russians not wanting to partake in the war, but there'll be nothing wrong if Ukrainians also surrender and back off from all of these rather than to see them dead bodies used as manures for grains. They're fighting for nothing over 310,000 recently have been lost amongst the Ukrainians. Evil dictator? Hahaha. Chinese and North Koreans have been close buddies for sike time even in the past I don't expect the bond to crash soon.
Hahaha, The US?! Your comments are simply biased and one sided. You're not corrupt? Talk is Cheap! So many good going round the world economically but the US wants so much power and control and everything all for themselves including Europeans. Cutting short the rations of food moving to Africa would be considered what?

I see Putin has met with some African leaders for the second Russia-Africa summit, but the number of heads of states attending shrank from 43 then to 17.  Grin

MOSCOW, July 27 (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday told African leaders he would gift them tens of thousands of tons of grain despite Western sanctions.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-tells-african-leaders-ill-give-you-free-grain-despite-hypocritical-west-2023-07-27/
So, his strategy to garner support and to retain friends are to give out FREE grain.... in a time when nobody wants to buy grain from his country.  Roll Eyes

What's wrong with African's siding with Russia or with Putin? They're friends and also brothers with African's. They've done Africa no harm in the past more like Europeans and the so called NATO MAJOR COUNTRIES.
Yeah, bout the free grains, I'm still yet to read his motives clearly, but that's what's best to do with Europeans taking all to store for themselves leaving Africa in the dark. I'm disappointed with how they've fared with this shit. It's time for them to make things right, partnership with African's to grow grains and cut all of the much reliance on Ukrainian and Russian grains. They're shortsighted.

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July 28, 2023, 09:11:38 AM
Last edit: July 28, 2023, 09:28:50 AM by DrBeer
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Regarding "violations of agreements". There are none. The way out was announced after the defeat of the military infrastructure object "Crimean Bridge", on the territory of Ukraine temporarily occupied by Russia. After which Russia made demands:
- to lift some sanctions that do not allow to receive Western technologies (Russia is technologically left country, like it or not, it is a fact)
- Connect Rosselkhozbank, owned and controlled by Patrushev's son, to SWIFT. This bank used to participate in international aid programs, and more precisely, under the guise of this, made operations on "laundering" and withdrawal of funds of the Kremlin's top brass.

So there are no violations of the agreements, read Russia's statements.
You are again lying or completely incompetent in the matter, and I do not know which of these is worse. Russia did not put forward any new conditions, it suspended its participation in the grain deal, because none of the original conditions on which it was concluded a year ago were fulfilled. If anyone threatens food security, it is the UN, which sabotaged the grain deal for a year, preventing Russia from exporting its grain to the foreign market and, perhaps even more dramatically for food security, preventing Russia from exporting fertilizers.

Putin said that Russia would not renew the grain deal a few days before the Ukrainian terrorist attack on the Crimean bridge, so one is not a consequence of the other. Perhaps one of the triggers was the Ukrainian terrorist attack on the Togliatti-Odessa ammonia pipeline a couple of months ago, the correct operation of which was also one of the conditions for the grain deal. But the terrorist attack on the Crimean bridge was not a cause, but rather a consequence; at the time of the terrorist attack, Ukraine already knew that the grain deal would not be extended.

I am well aware that you have nothing to counter the TRUTH besides systemic lies and pathetic attempts to manipulate information Smiley

What terrorist attacks? The so-called "Crimean bridge" is an illegal facility built by the occupier on Ukrainian soil, and is used for the movement of enemy weapons and manpower. A terrorist attack is Moscow's shelling of peaceful Ukrainian cities. This is the destruction of towns and villages, this is the seizure of foreign territories, this is the violation of treaties and obligations.
And Ukraine is simply defending itself, and is legally destroying the aggressor. And this will continue until the complete destruction of Rashism, which is also engaged in economic terror against the whole world, such as attempts to stop the grain program for other countries.

And to summarize - Russia has no right to any demands of legality at all, as it is the world's biggest violator of treaties, agreements, and arrangements. There's a saying "you can't behave like a gentleman with a bastard". So this saying best describes what Russia deserves at the moment, with its total lies, cowardice, terrorism, murder, destruction....
By the way, all of this is supported, or tried to "justify", by you....


PS You still didn't indicate which ARRANGEMENTS were violated, which is generally expected by 150% Smiley

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July 28, 2023, 10:51:14 AM
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PS You still didn't indicate which ARRANGEMENTS were violated, which is generally expected by 150% Smiley
Connecting Rosselkhozbank to SWIFT, unblocking foreign assets and accounts of Russian companies associated with the production and transportation of food and fertilizers, resuming supplies of agricultural machinery and spare parts, as well as restoring the operation of the Togliatti-Odessa ammonia pipeline.

Here is a link to the April statement of the Russian Foreign Ministry on this issue.

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It was Russia's turn to stop exporting grain to Europe, asking for it to be withdrawn and asking for it to be reopened. It was Russia's turn to stop helping Ukraine, NATO and America were ignored, instead they continued to help by sending defense equipment. so it's only natural that it's balanced.

I think if they want to stop Russia from reopening exports, they have to stop helping arms to Ukraine and stop sanctions against Russia after that. Just have a truce and make peace. Of course Russia is willing (as long as Russia is not ordered to withdraw troops). Even if the reason is humanitarian hunger, if arms aid to Ukraine and sanctions against Russia are not stopped. Of course Russia doesn't want that. I as a layman also do not want.


I understand that you “know” from some specific resources what is happening in Ukraine ... I am a resident of Ukraine, I see it all with my own eyes ...
I will answer your proposal, but in a very uncultured way, sorry, but most likely you are simply VERY far from the reality of what is happening in Ukraine.
Try to apply your suggestion to yourself in the following situation: a gang in your area breaks into your house during the day, rapes and brutally kills your mother, maims your sister, kills your father and brother.
And you know that this is a gang that has been terrorizing your area for many years, and promises to continue to kill the inhabitants of your area, while they are armed and noticeably stronger than you. And you only have a kitchen knife...
And when you try to ask for help from the police or neighbors, they will tell you - “come on, everything is fine, that you made a fuss, because of some little things!? a gang of criminals because you want to destroy them, and pledge to love and respect them and live in peace with them.Don't you understand the complexity - the head of the gang is our district plumber, and in our area we will have to look for a new plumber and this is oh how important and really difficult, against the backdrop of some of your petty problems!".

Now tell me - do you agree?

PS. Now I am writing you an answer, and in Kyiv there is AGAIN an air raid, again a terrorist country will try to shell a peaceful city and destroy civilians, women, children, the elderly ... With whom to sign agreements?!


And most importantly - try to assess what really happened. Without Russian grain, the world will live in peace. But Russia has not only stopped shipments of its grain under the program, but is terrorizing everyone else to provoke a real crisis. This is terrorism. This is RASHISM.
This is revenge for the fact that sanctions were imposed on her for terrorism, and they are not allowed to launder money ...

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Nations need to figure out a way to feed themselves, you can't rely on another nation to feed you and then be upset when something goes wrong. You were the one who relied on a different nation to feed your citizens, so when that nation does whatever they want, you were not ready for it.

this is the way which should be accepted by every nation like if one nation is deprived of anything so they should worked for that to establish that thing in own country. Begging in front of other countries for little things will make you slaves so I think food and agriculture is that thing which we can grow in our own country.

If we focus to establish new ways to fulfil these needs then we should not be dependent on other countries. Dependency comes when we are not able to fulfil the requirements of citizens and are in hopes that other country will give these facilities to us so in this case we cannot become and independent nation ever.









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PS You still didn't indicate which ARRANGEMENTS were violated, which is generally expected by 150% Smiley
Connecting Rosselkhozbank to SWIFT, unblocking foreign assets and accounts of Russian companies associated with the production and transportation of food and fertilizers, resuming supplies of agricultural machinery and spare parts, as well as restoring the operation of the Togliatti-Odessa ammonia pipeline.

Here is a link to the April statement of the Russian Foreign Ministry on this issue.


You can’t think of anything more ridiculous than presenting as TRUTH a link to RUSSIAN, state PROPAGANDA!  Grin Grin Grin Grin
Remember - the Russian government lies as soon as it opens its mouth or writes a word, this is an axiom!

You also agreed on Putin, on his words that he would never attack fraternal Ukraine, and also respects and supports the integrity of its borders, as proof that nothing is happening in Ukraine, and this is all an "internal conflict", in terms of idiocy it will be on the same level Smiley
About the fact that Putin promised that there would be no mobilization - do not write, it will mentally hurt future conscripts-consumables in the Russian army, and leads to an understanding that life has passed and passed in vain Smiley

Although I have a different opinion from yours on many issues, I considered you a fairly adequate person, albeit with some features ...
But over and over again you are trying with all your might to convince me of the opposite, trying to throw out here just a fabulously inadequate alternative reality! What's wrong with your life, explain, I'm just at a loss to guess?! If you are being tortured and coerced - write an answer with more than one dot!  Grin Grin

Well, after a long laugh caused by reading "honest statements from Russia", let's get back to the topic:
As you know, an attempt to gather a new flock of tame dogs around us, in the form of a summit "Terrorists from Russia and Africa", has actually been carried out. more than 2/3 of African countries wiped their feet on Russia and showed that they do not want to touch this toxic heap.
Russia, of course, is now trying to make "big gestures", such as writing off debts to the next "friends for money", but in fact "" girl motorcades ".
And also promises to feed a little, in exchange for friendship, well, at least indicative. True, President of Zimbabwe Emmerson Mnangagwa, in response to the proposal of Russian dictator Vladimir Putin to supply free grain to the country, said that he definitely did not need grain from the Kremlin ghoul.
there is a second problem. If today Russia has really good grain harvests, in 2024 they most likely will not. The reason is quite real - the war will return to the land of the aggressor, and the western and, importantly, the southern regions, having assumed responsibility for previously committed crimes, will simply stop any activity due to the conduct of hostilities. It will be interesting to see what the next summit will look like, and what the leader of terrorist Russia will promise to those 1-2 guests Smiley

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I looked up the information you are referring to and I think you have a point and that could be the reason why President Putin canceled the grain deal. And instead, he announced that Russia would provide free grain to Africa before the Russia-Africa summit. He said Russia will provide free 25-30 thousand tons of grain to Africa including shipping. With this news it confirms your previous arguments are absolutely true and there is no atrocity going on as OP and American fanatics spread.
https://african.business/2023/07/resources/putin-pledges-free-grain-for-africa-ahead-of-russia-africa-summit
https://en.portnews.ru/news/351004/
Always remember that free cheese is only in a mousetrap. Especially if Russia and Putin offer something free. True, at first, Putin may well interest African countries in free grain, which the Russian invaders are now stealing and massively exporting from the occupied territories of Ukraine through the Ukrainian port of Berdyansk, and by cars in the direction of Rostov.
In order to compromise Ukraine as a reliable supplier of grain and other agricultural products, Russia is now heavily bombarding Ukraine's Black Sea ports with cruise missiles, as well as Ukraine's grain supply route along the Danube. Therefore, the devil in Putin's guise cannot have good intentions. African countries need to be seriously wary of rapprochement with the Putin regime: they will give a dollar, take a thousand.
As you said, free cheese is only in mousetrap. Ukraine should also be wary of countries that are supporting them unconditionally. And by your deduction, Ukraine is becoming a pawn of the US and NATO because they are also supplying weapons and many things that Ukraine needs for the war.

How funny, when someone wants to do charity is also suspected, rejected. While liars and dictators are always hailed as messengers of peace. Africa is a huge territory and they also have their own civilizations and developments. Do you think they are stupid enough to not know who they are playing with and what they are doing? Are you looking down on people from Africa?

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Russia is really making a mistake with blocking this grain deal. Its very worth and important for whole world its not even related to anything military. I sometimes feel like Russia wants people to not focus on their unsuccessful operation in Ukraine. Food inflation is the evil mother of all evolution. Russia is directly causing food inflation for no reason whatsoever. It causes millions of people in the world to suffer. Someone should convince Putinists that this is far more important for whole world than their weird war.
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Russia is really making a mistake with blocking this grain deal. Its very worth and important for whole world its not even related to anything military. I sometimes feel like Russia wants people to not focus on their unsuccessful operation in Ukraine. Food inflation is the evil mother of all evolution. Russia is directly causing food inflation for no reason whatsoever. It causes millions of people in the world to suffer. Someone should convince Putinists that this is far more important for whole world than their weird war.

Everything has a cause but we don't know what the real cause is. If you want to know why, you can read the news by following the link that Marvell1 mentioned above or what pooya87 was talking about. You will have your answer, and if you believe it to be true, then Putin was not wrong in making that decision. Of course, this news may or may not be true, and like I said, we all don't know the truth behind it, so believe it or not it's up to you.

By the way, the war is still going on and there is no final outcome yet, so I will disagree when you say that Russia is failing with their special military operation.

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July 29, 2023, 07:41:33 AM
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I looked up the information you are referring to and I think you have a point and that could be the reason why President Putin canceled the grain deal. And instead, he announced that Russia would provide free grain to Africa before the Russia-Africa summit. He said Russia will provide free 25-30 thousand tons of grain to Africa including shipping. With this news it confirms your previous arguments are absolutely true and there is no atrocity going on as OP and American fanatics spread.
https://african.business/2023/07/resources/putin-pledges-free-grain-for-africa-ahead-of-russia-africa-summit
https://en.portnews.ru/news/351004/
Always remember that free cheese is only in a mousetrap. Especially if Russia and Putin offer something free. True, at first, Putin may well interest African countries in free grain, which the Russian invaders are now stealing and massively exporting from the occupied territories of Ukraine through the Ukrainian port of Berdyansk, and by cars in the direction of Rostov.
In order to compromise Ukraine as a reliable supplier of grain and other agricultural products, Russia is now heavily bombarding Ukraine's Black Sea ports with cruise missiles, as well as Ukraine's grain supply route along the Danube. Therefore, the devil in Putin's guise cannot have good intentions. African countries need to be seriously wary of rapprochement with the Putin regime: they will give a dollar, take a thousand.
As you said, free cheese is only in mousetrap. Ukraine should also be wary of countries that are supporting them unconditionally. And by your deduction, Ukraine is becoming a pawn of the US and NATO because they are also supplying weapons and many things that Ukraine needs for the war.

How funny, when someone wants to do charity is also suspected, rejected. While liars and dictators are always hailed as messengers of peace. Africa is a huge territory and they also have their own civilizations and developments. Do you think they are stupid enough to not know who they are playing with and what they are doing? Are you looking down on people from Africa?


Tell me you are not confused by such a blatant attempt to confuse 2 different situations ?
1. The military and financial assistance of Western countries, started by the USA and Britain, is not charity. It is a partial fulfillment of obligations fixed in the Budapest Memorandum, which Russia violated.

2. Assistance to countries experiencing food shortages is an international program under the auspices of the United Nations, aimed at helping the population of the country and saving it from starvation. 

Ukraine is a victim of terrorist aggression by Russia. Russia is an aggressor and international terrorist. Russia initiated the sabotage of the grain deal.

The fact that Russia is now at a failed summit (2/3 of the invitees refused to go to the toxic Kremlin underfurrer), Putin is giving out grain and canceling debts is just an attempt to "buy the friendship" of some regimes. Although some participants of the summit understood perfectly well in what format Putin wants to use them and directly refused such "handouts": President Mnangagwa of Zimbabwe refused Russian free grain, he said so directly at the summit in Russia.

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July 29, 2023, 01:41:09 PM
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Russia is really making a mistake with blocking this grain deal. Its very worth and important for whole world its not even related to anything military. I sometimes feel like Russia wants people to not focus on their unsuccessful operation in Ukraine. Food inflation is the evil mother of all evolution. Russia is directly causing food inflation for no reason whatsoever. It causes millions of people in the world to suffer. Someone should convince Putinists that this is far more important for whole world than their weird war.

Grain deal would still be active if Ukraine and it's allies would fulfill the conditions from their side. There's no sense in the deal if only one party is following the conditions. Btw, later Russia announced it's giving away a shitload of grain to African countries for free.
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PS You still didn't indicate which ARRANGEMENTS were violated, which is generally expected by 150% Smiley
Connecting Rosselkhozbank to SWIFT, unblocking foreign assets and accounts of Russian companies associated with the production and transportation of food and fertilizers, resuming supplies of agricultural machinery and spare parts, as well as restoring the operation of the Togliatti-Odessa ammonia pipeline.

Here is a link to the April statement of the Russian Foreign Ministry on this issue.


You can’t think of anything more ridiculous than presenting as TRUTH a link to RUSSIAN, state PROPAGANDA!  Grin Grin Grin Grin
Remember - the Russian government lies as soon as it opens its mouth or writes a word, this is an axiom!

You also agreed on Putin, on his words that he would never attack fraternal Ukraine, and also respects and supports the integrity of its borders, as proof that nothing is happening in Ukraine, and this is all an "internal conflict", in terms of idiocy it will be on the same level Smiley
About the fact that Putin promised that there would be no mobilization - do not write, it will mentally hurt future conscripts-consumables in the Russian army, and leads to an understanding that life has passed and passed in vain Smiley

Although I have a different opinion from yours on many issues, I considered you a fairly adequate person, albeit with some features ...
But over and over again you are trying with all your might to convince me of the opposite, trying to throw out here just a fabulously inadequate alternative reality! What's wrong with your life, explain, I'm just at a loss to guess?! If you are being tortured and coerced - write an answer with more than one dot!  Grin Grin

Well, after a long laugh caused by reading "honest statements from Russia", let's get back to the topic:
As you know, an attempt to gather a new flock of tame dogs around us, in the form of a summit "Terrorists from Russia and Africa", has actually been carried out. more than 2/3 of African countries wiped their feet on Russia and showed that they do not want to touch this toxic heap.
Russia, of course, is now trying to make "big gestures", such as writing off debts to the next "friends for money", but in fact "" girl motorcades ".
And also promises to feed a little, in exchange for friendship, well, at least indicative. True, President of Zimbabwe Emmerson Mnangagwa, in response to the proposal of Russian dictator Vladimir Putin to supply free grain to the country, said that he definitely did not need grain from the Kremlin ghoul.
there is a second problem. If today Russia has really good grain harvests, in 2024 they most likely will not. The reason is quite real - the war will return to the land of the aggressor, and the western and, importantly, the southern regions, having assumed responsibility for previously committed crimes, will simply stop any activity due to the conduct of hostilities. It will be interesting to see what the next summit will look like, and what the leader of terrorist Russia will promise to those 1-2 guests Smiley
If you think that any agreements with Russia are worthless and you can ignore the interests of Russia, which are also aimed at ensuring food security in the world - why are you surprised that Russia has suspended its participation in the grain deal? Take grain out of Ukraine without Russian security guarantees, if you can.

Russia has significantly increased grain exports in 2023 despite Western sanctions. The increase in grain exports fully compensates for the drop in grain exports from Ukraine as a result of the suspension of the grain deal.

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July 29, 2023, 03:05:47 PM
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Russia is really making a mistake with blocking this grain deal. Its very worth and important for whole world its not even related to anything military. I sometimes feel like Russia wants people to not focus on their unsuccessful operation in Ukraine. Food inflation is the evil mother of all evolution. Russia is directly causing food inflation for no reason whatsoever. It causes millions of people in the world to suffer. Someone should convince Putinists that this is far more important for whole world than their weird war.

You should understand that it will not be Putin's concern if the whole world suffer from food insecurity, inflation or not because that are under sanction and will want every other person to feel the negative impact. Blocking the grain deal is a sign for that. The effect of the Russian war has kept food prices high especially grain products. Grain is essential for the human feeding because large number of human consumption is from grain and they are all inflated now from bread, whiskey, beer, animal food, semolina, vodka, oats, flour.

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If you think that any agreements with Russia are worthless and you can ignore the interests of Russia, which are also aimed at ensuring food security in the world - why are you surprised that Russia has suspended its participation in the grain deal? Take grain out of Ukraine without Russian security guarantees, if you can.

Russia has significantly increased grain exports in 2023 despite Western sanctions. The increase in grain exports fully compensates for the drop in grain exports from Ukraine as a result of the suspension of the grain deal.
We have already discussed the topic that Ukraine did not violate any terms of the grain deal with Russia, since Ukraine did not have any deals with Russia on this matter. Ukraine has concluded an agreement on the conditions for the export of its agricultural products from its ports in the Black Sea only with the UN and Turkey. But why is Russia now intensively bombing and firing rockets precisely at the ports of Ukraine and destroying the grain located there? The Putin regime is deliberately doing everything possible to keep Ukrainian grain out of the world market.

At the same time, will Russia distribute grain stolen in Ukraine to African countries for free? The Russian people (I emphasize - the people) are now trying to destroy the neighboring state of Ukraine and kill as many Ukrainians as possible. In my opinion, there is nothing to be proud of here.

We will see what the African countries will say about this. At the summit in St. Petersburg recently, they already made clear to Putin their attitude to what is happening.

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If you think that any agreements with Russia are worthless and you can ignore the interests of Russia, which are also aimed at ensuring food security in the world - why are you surprised that Russia has suspended its participation in the grain deal? Take grain out of Ukraine without Russian security guarantees, if you can.

Russia has significantly increased grain exports in 2023 despite Western sanctions. The increase in grain exports fully compensates for the drop in grain exports from Ukraine as a result of the suspension of the grain deal.
We have already discussed the topic that Ukraine did not violate any terms of the grain deal with Russia, since Ukraine did not have any deals with Russia on this matter. Ukraine has concluded an agreement on the conditions for the export of its agricultural products from its ports in the Black Sea only with the UN and Turkey. But why is Russia now intensively bombing and firing rockets precisely at the ports of Ukraine and destroying the grain located there? The Putin regime is deliberately doing everything possible to keep Ukrainian grain out of the world market.

At the same time, will Russia distribute grain stolen in Ukraine to African countries for free? The Russian people (I emphasize - the people) are now trying to destroy the neighboring state of Ukraine and kill as many Ukrainians as possible. In my opinion, there is nothing to be proud of here.

We will see what the African countries will say about this. At the summit in St. Petersburg recently, they already made clear to Putin their attitude to what is happening.
Since Ukraine has not entered into any agreements with Russia, then what claims can you have against Russia? In this case, Russia is acting quite consistently, waiting for the next expiration of the grain deal and did not renew it, because its interests in this deal were ignored. After the withdrawal of security guarantees, traffic in the Black Sea ports of Ukraine dropped to zero and Russia began to launch missile attacks on port infrastructure without risking damaging any cargo ship flying the flag of a third country. Having destroyed the port infrastructure, Russia deprived Ukraine of a significant part of the foreign exchange earnings from the sale of grain, thereby bringing the successful completion of the entire special operation in Ukraine. For Russia, this is a matter of principle, it cannot afford to be defeated and acts according to the circumstances, approaching its goal. Russia just needs a neutral non-bloc status from Ukraine, and here you are playing out a whole tragedy with dramatic hand-wringing. It is Ukraine that wants to fight, not Russia.

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If you think that any agreements with Russia are worthless and you can ignore the interests of Russia, which are also aimed at ensuring food security in the world - why are you surprised that Russia has suspended its participation in the grain deal? Take grain out of Ukraine without Russian security guarantees, if you can.

Russia has significantly increased grain exports in 2023 despite Western sanctions. The increase in grain exports fully compensates for the drop in grain exports from Ukraine as a result of the suspension of the grain deal.
We have already discussed the topic that Ukraine did not violate any terms of the grain deal with Russia, since Ukraine did not have any deals with Russia on this matter. Ukraine has concluded an agreement on the conditions for the export of its agricultural products from its ports in the Black Sea only with the UN and Turkey. But why is Russia now intensively bombing and firing rockets precisely at the ports of Ukraine and destroying the grain located there? The Putin regime is deliberately doing everything possible to keep Ukrainian grain out of the world market.

At the same time, will Russia distribute grain stolen in Ukraine to African countries for free? The Russian people (I emphasize - the people) are now trying to destroy the neighboring state of Ukraine and kill as many Ukrainians as possible. In my opinion, there is nothing to be proud of here.

We will see what the African countries will say about this. At the summit in St. Petersburg recently, they already made clear to Putin their attitude to what is happening.
Since Ukraine has not entered into any agreements with Russia, then what claims can you have against Russia? In this case, Russia is acting quite consistently, waiting for the next expiration of the grain deal and did not renew it, because its interests in this deal were ignored. After the withdrawal of security guarantees, traffic in the Black Sea ports of Ukraine dropped to zero and Russia began to launch missile attacks on port infrastructure without risking damaging any cargo ship flying the flag of a third country. Having destroyed the port infrastructure, Russia deprived Ukraine of a significant part of the foreign exchange earnings from the sale of grain, thereby bringing the successful completion of the entire special operation in Ukraine. For Russia, this is a matter of principle, it cannot afford to be defeated and acts according to the circumstances, approaching its goal. Russia just needs a neutral non-bloc status from Ukraine, and here you are playing out a whole tragedy with dramatic hand-wringing. It is Ukraine that wants to fight, not Russia.
It is not for you Russians to tell Ukraine what to do and what defense alliances of states to join. Do not interfere in the affairs of another sovereign state and you will not have problems in the future. Ukraine has already trusted Russia by signing the Budapest Memorandum with it, according to which Russia was one of the states that guaranteed Ukraine security and not an attack. At the same time, Russia received from Ukraine its third-in-the-world nuclear potential and missiles, with which Russia is now shelling Ukraine. Therefore, Russia should not teach other countries how to fulfill the terms of the agreements concluded. Can I also recall how Putin and other top officials assured the world community at the beginning of 2022 that they were not going to attack Ukraine, but were simply holding very long military exercises near its borders?

Ukraine wants to fight, not Russia? Again lies and twisted facts. Ukraine is only defending itself from direct Russian military aggression. Last February, an estimated 180,000-strong Russian army invaded Ukraine, using the full power of its armored forces. Almost all of them have already been killed in Ukraine or have become disabled. As of April, there were still approximately 369,000 Russian occupiers and about 5,900 pieces of heavy weapons on Ukrainian territory. If Russia does not want to fight, it is enough for it to withdraw its troops and equipment from the territory of Ukraine. The Ukrainians have no other choice but to defend their country and their territory from Russian aggression. Many Russians have already realized that they have lost this war.

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It is not for you Russians to tell Ukraine what to do and what defense alliances of states to join. Do not interfere in the affairs of another sovereign state and you will not have problems in the future. Ukraine has already trusted Russia by signing the Budapest Memorandum with it, according to which Russia was one of the states that guaranteed Ukraine security and not an attack. At the same time, Russia received from Ukraine its third-in-the-world nuclear potential and missiles, with which Russia is now shelling Ukraine. Therefore, Russia should not teach other countries how to fulfill the terms of the agreements concluded. Can I also recall how Putin and other top officials assured the world community at the beginning of 2022 that they were not going to attack Ukraine, but were simply holding very long military exercises near its borders?

Ukraine wants to fight, not Russia? Again lies and twisted facts. Ukraine is only defending itself from direct Russian military aggression. Last February, an estimated 180,000-strong Russian army invaded Ukraine, using the full power of its armored forces. Almost all of them have already been killed in Ukraine or have become disabled. As of April, there were still approximately 369,000 Russian occupiers and about 5,900 pieces of heavy weapons on Ukrainian territory. If Russia does not want to fight, it is enough for it to withdraw its troops and equipment from the territory of Ukraine. The Ukrainians have no other choice but to defend their country and their territory from Russian aggression. Many Russians have already realized that they have lost this war.
I understand your point of view, and I would even probably agree with it if Ukraine, after the collapse of the USSR, in search of its national self-identity, had not stepped onto the slippery slope of "being anti-Russia." As long as Ukraine was lightly militarized, this posed no particular danger. But when a coup d'état took place in Ukraine in 2014, anti-Russian sentiment in Ukraine increased dramatically and Ukraine began to pose an existential threat to Russia. Therefore, Ukraine will be demilitarized and forced to secure a neutral non-bloc status. This is the decision of Russia, Ukraine has the right to resist the pressure of external will.

Ukraine will still have to negotiate with Russia, one way or another. It is likely that a third party will be involved in the contract as a guarantor. The only question is what exactly will be the subject of the contract. Don't be fooled - Ukraine cannot defeat Russia, the forces are too unequal. Ukraine is now fighting not to win, but to negotiate a better peace treaty.

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If you think that any agreements with Russia are worthless and you can ignore the interests of Russia, which are also aimed at ensuring food security in the world - why are you surprised that Russia has suspended its participation in the grain deal? Take grain out of Ukraine without Russian security guarantees, if you can.

Russia has significantly increased grain exports in 2023 despite Western sanctions. The increase in grain exports fully compensates for the drop in grain exports from Ukraine as a result of the suspension of the grain deal.
We have already discussed the topic that Ukraine did not violate any terms of the grain deal with Russia, since Ukraine did not have any deals with Russia on this matter. Ukraine has concluded an agreement on the conditions for the export of its agricultural products from its ports in the Black Sea only with the UN and Turkey. But why is Russia now intensively bombing and firing rockets precisely at the ports of Ukraine and destroying the grain located there? The Putin regime is deliberately doing everything possible to keep Ukrainian grain out of the world market.

At the same time, will Russia distribute grain stolen in Ukraine to African countries for free? The Russian people (I emphasize - the people) are now trying to destroy the neighboring state of Ukraine and kill as many Ukrainians as possible. In my opinion, there is nothing to be proud of here.

We will see what the African countries will say about this. At the summit in St. Petersburg recently, they already made clear to Putin their attitude to what is happening.

You seem to just can't stop spreading lies. Ukraine did sign the agreement with Russia no matter you admit it or not. It can be called a tri-party or mirror agreement but it had been signed and there are certain obligations for all parties involved. If you don't understand this simple fact you have a room temperature IQ.
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If you think that any agreements with Russia are worthless and you can ignore the interests of Russia, which are also aimed at ensuring food security in the world - why are you surprised that Russia has suspended its participation in the grain deal? Take grain out of Ukraine without Russian security guarantees, if you can.

Russia has significantly increased grain exports in 2023 despite Western sanctions. The increase in grain exports fully compensates for the drop in grain exports from Ukraine as a result of the suspension of the grain deal.
We have already discussed the topic that Ukraine did not violate any terms of the grain deal with Russia, since Ukraine did not have any deals with Russia on this matter. Ukraine has concluded an agreement on the conditions for the export of its agricultural products from its ports in the Black Sea only with the UN and Turkey. But why is Russia now intensively bombing and firing rockets precisely at the ports of Ukraine and destroying the grain located there? The Putin regime is deliberately doing everything possible to keep Ukrainian grain out of the world market.

At the same time, will Russia distribute grain stolen in Ukraine to African countries for free? The Russian people (I emphasize - the people) are now trying to destroy the neighboring state of Ukraine and kill as many Ukrainians as possible. In my opinion, there is nothing to be proud of here.

We will see what the African countries will say about this. At the summit in St. Petersburg recently, they already made clear to Putin their attitude to what is happening.

You seem to just can't stop spreading lies. Ukraine did sign the agreement with Russia no matter you admit it or not. It can be called a tri-party or mirror agreement but it had been signed and there are certain obligations for all parties involved. If you don't understand this simple fact you have a room temperature IQ.
At number 48 in this thread, I indicated 14 links to various articles, which indicate that Ukraine signed a grain agreement only with the UN and Turkey and did not sign any agreements with Russia on this matter. Therefore, I will not repeat myself. If you have an opposite opinion, confirm what you said with the appropriate links.

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