Russian oil and UK

[yhiaali3]

The US is just a country and they will always put their own interests first, it's silly to believe what they say. A warlike country and rich from war but always consider itself a messenger of peace.

Yes, unfortunately, this is true. The interest of countries, especially the United States, always comes first. The United States always tries to show itself that it is a messenger of peace, but the truth is that words are one thing and actions under the table are something completely different.

These sayings are to influence the masses who are the fuel of wars because they are the ones who suffer from wars, destruction and poverty resulting from wars, while politicians practice hypocrisy in secret and work contrary to all the things they say and get rich and satiated as a result of war trade.

[DrBeer]

Haha gave me a good laugh (as always)  

So, it turns out Soviet Union collapsed because of the western sanctions? Mkaaaay  

I'm not even sure what sanctions you mean? The 1980 grain embargo?  

Indeed, life can be hard with a room temperature IQ...  

That you didn't get it, that's pretty much expected
Now finish your hysterics, take your history books and start reading and studying. And stop accepting what so painfully distorts reality in your brain
And don't tell me, a resident of the USSR, fairy tales about what happened at that time, why and how it ended.
Or...no... And tell your version of "REALITY" about the history of the collapse of the USSR ? Very interesting reading will be, I'm sure ! Only preferably with figures, indicators, and facts ? I agree to your figures, facts - it will be much funnier !

I'll try to model your behavior: tell me, by the way - why do you wear skis and a short coat at home, over which you put a T-shirt, and put a gas stove in the refrigerator to cook food?

PS about IQ, I'm told by a man with a constant perfectly even line of encepholagram of the brain !  

Haha, so why don't you tell us all forum users what really happened and what was the reason USSR collapsed? Please please enlighten us! Would be great if you'd use some links to sources.

Don't send me to history books - no history book mentions western sanctions as the reason why it happened. They would say something like "people were tired of communism, planned economy and wanted change, freedom etc" but in reality I'm sure USSR got destroyed with some help from the 3 letter agencies by supporting national movements in the republics and local Russian liberal democrats.  

I could only make out a portion of what you were saying. The remaining part is some completely unintelligible gibberish. Perhaps you can discuss skiing at home and cooking in a fridge with your fellow psychiatric facility patients. I'm sure that'll be fun!  

No, it won’t work, you were the first to say that I was wrong - you have the cards in your hands - tell me how it really was, but for now I will invite the neighbors to watch this, your mega-humorous performance

He began to deny - prove with words, whether as always - you behave like a putty, the main thing is to open your mouth, but not have arguments?
And then fairy tales about Western textbooks have gone. Well, tell me - what do they write there, in Western textbooks, links to them? Or enjoy your status as an "information dummy", which you try to prove time and time again, and very skillfully at the same time!

By the way, about the attempt to "throw nonsense and run away" - let's get back to this issue, where you said that the numbers do not correspond to reality ... But the truth is, you didn’t indicate what kind of mistake, and didn’t bring any argmunets. Just air accusations, and nothing more
And so - bring a refutation of this data, from another, unfortunately closed topic:

My answer:

And some statistics for understanding trade with Africa, or rather "its savior - Russia"
Trade with African countries:
EU - $415 billion
China - $212 billion
United States - $68 billion
Turkey - $32 billion
Savior of Africa, Russia - 10 billion dollars !!!! : Grin Grin Grin Grin

Your next empty comment

"Could you provide the links to your sources? However, I think I already know the answer... certainly you can't because it's a lie. Quickly running through the list you provided I can see some numbers are completely off (up to 100%) Please fix and stop spreading lies."

And so - your answer, with numbers and evidence? But I know what will come in response - a stream of nonsense and regular accusations is not clear what


PS "I could only make out a portion of what you were saying. The remaining part is some completely unintelligible gibberish. Perhaps you can discuss skiing at home and cooking in a fridge with your fellow psychiatric facility patients. I'm sure that'll be fun! " - it was an attempt to answer in your style, thanks for the rating, this is how most of your "knowledge" is perceived 

[Marvell1]

The US is just a country and they will always put their own interests first, it's silly to believe what they say. A warlike country and rich from war but always consider itself a messenger of peace.

Yes, unfortunately, this is true. The interest of countries, especially the United States, always comes first. The United States always tries to show itself that it is a messenger of peace, but the truth is that words are one thing and actions under the table are something completely different.

These sayings are to influence the masses who are the fuel of wars because they are the ones who suffer from wars, destruction and poverty resulting from wars, while politicians practice hypocrisy in secret and work contrary to all the things they say and get rich and satiated as a result of war trade.

But what is more sad is that there is still a large part of the people who believe and fanatical in what this warlike nation says, they worship America and consider it a savior. Look at the war between Russia and Ukraine, which country benefits the most from arms sales, controlling rivals, export inflation...while not having to fight and not wanting the war to stop.

People who talk about morality and they always say they are good people, the more dangerous and unpredictable they become. Just like the scammers in the cryptocurrency market, those who always talk about morality, always want to help and bring wealth to others are mostly scammers.

[kryptqnick]

It would be great if the op actually added sources to the claim, so that we could see where the info is coming from, and how credible it is. The UK officially committed to stopping the imports of Russian oil and gas by the end of 2022, but that, of course, doesn't mean that it followed through. That being said, I don't see any credible articles that claim that the UK is still importing Russian oil as of Q2, 2023. And there is information that they're no longer doing that.
As for the possibility of buying oil from an intermediary, it can be the case, but once again, actual sources would be appreciated.

[Gyfts]

The Western sanctions are sabotaged with back room deals from India and China and some African countries. The markets just adapt and the Oil still flow through new channels to the UK and other countries that supposedly support the sanctions.

Russia has shown no indication that the sanctions are hurting them, because they just opened up new revenue sources through other nations. The sanctions are just a "smoke&mirror" show by Politicians to satisfy their voters, but the money and oil are still doing business like usual. 

This is precisely why sanctions are useless. There are always avenues for circumvention.

India reselling Russian oil to European market: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/fuels-russian-oil-gets-backdoor-entry-into-europe-via-india-2023-04-05/

If the west wanted to actually combat Russian oil exports, they should have flood the markets with cheap oil by ramping up their own production. The U.S. had plenty in reserves and plenty drilling capacity but for their own political reasons, couldn't be bothered to ramp up energy exports because it would upset the climate change/green energy fanatics.

[DrBeer]

The Western sanctions are sabotaged with back room deals from India and China and some African countries. The markets just adapt and the Oil still flow through new channels to the UK and other countries that supposedly support the sanctions.

Russia has shown no indication that the sanctions are hurting them, because they just opened up new revenue sources through other nations. The sanctions are just a "smoke&mirror" show by Politicians to satisfy their voters, but the money and oil are still doing business like usual. 

This is precisely why sanctions are useless. There are always avenues for circumvention.

India reselling Russian oil to European market: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/fuels-russian-oil-gets-backdoor-entry-into-europe-via-india-2023-04-05/

If the west wanted to actually combat Russian oil exports, they should have flood the markets with cheap oil by ramping up their own production. The U.S. had plenty in reserves and plenty drilling capacity but for their own political reasons, couldn't be bothered to ramp up energy exports because it would upset the climate change/green energy fanatics.

Yes, it is foolish to say that sanctions are the perfect tool and that they work 100%.
But again, there is a nuance. The purpose of sanctions, if we are talking about oil, is not to stop the sale of oil from a terrorist country, but to reduce its budget income to the maximum, so that it would be more difficult to finance a terrorist operation in Ukraine.
And here - all is well! The fall in revenues to the Kremlin's budget from the sale of oil amounted to about -50%! And this is a great indicator!
Yes, some are taking advantage of the situation, such as India - India is not only buying very cheap oil! It also pays, not in the critically needed currency (dollars), but in rupees, for which Russia cannot buy anything important. Why ? Because India has banned the sale of competitive products to Russia, for rupees - they are sold only for currency. And at the same time, India also banned Russia from exchanging rupees for dollars So the main goal has been achieved, while India's partners to whom it sells oil products are satisfied, India receives the currency ... In a word, everyone except Russia benefits ...

[Gyfts]

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Yes, it is foolish to say that sanctions are the perfect tool and that they work 100%.
But again, there is a nuance. The purpose of sanctions, if we are talking about oil, is not to stop the sale of oil from a terrorist country, but to reduce its budget income to the maximum, so that it would be more difficult to finance a terrorist operation in Ukraine.
And here - all is well! The fall in revenues to the Kremlin's budget from the sale of oil amounted to about -50%! And this is a great indicator!
Yes, some are taking advantage of the situation, such as India - India is not only buying very cheap oil! It also pays, not in the critically needed currency (dollars), but in rupees, for which Russia cannot buy anything important. Why ? Because India has banned the sale of competitive products to Russia, for rupees - they are sold only for currency. And at the same time, India also banned Russia from exchanging rupees for dollars So the main goal has been achieved, while India's partners to whom it sells oil products are satisfied, India receives the currency ... In a word, everyone except Russia benefits ...

The problem is that India has started purchasing Russian oil with yuan which makes China more powerful, and Russia more powerful by proxy. India's purchasing Russian oil from Dubai based energy firms as well, trading with their local currency. Many non-dollar and non-rupee alternatives are out there for Russia.

Only solution is to devalue oil by increasing supply. OPEC wouldn't bother getting involved, it's within their interest to monopolize oil production. The U.S. is one of the few western countries that would be able to ramp up production.

[DrBeer]

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Yes, it is foolish to say that sanctions are the perfect tool and that they work 100%.
But again, there is a nuance. The purpose of sanctions, if we are talking about oil, is not to stop the sale of oil from a terrorist country, but to reduce its budget income to the maximum, so that it would be more difficult to finance a terrorist operation in Ukraine.
And here - all is well! The fall in revenues to the Kremlin's budget from the sale of oil amounted to about -50%! And this is a great indicator!
Yes, some are taking advantage of the situation, such as India - India is not only buying very cheap oil! It also pays, not in the critically needed currency (dollars), but in rupees, for which Russia cannot buy anything important. Why ? Because India has banned the sale of competitive products to Russia, for rupees - they are sold only for currency. And at the same time, India also banned Russia from exchanging rupees for dollars So the main goal has been achieved, while India's partners to whom it sells oil products are satisfied, India receives the currency ... In a word, everyone except Russia benefits ...

The problem is that India has started purchasing Russian oil with yuan which makes China more powerful, and Russia more powerful by proxy. India's purchasing Russian oil from Dubai based energy firms as well, trading with their local currency. Many non-dollar and non-rupee alternatives are out there for Russia.

Only solution is to devalue oil by increasing supply. OPEC wouldn't bother getting involved, it's within their interest to monopolize oil production. The U.S. is one of the few western countries that would be able to ramp up production.

Well, you're not exactly presenting the information honestly

1. India has been and still is buying oil for Rupiahs for the most part. This is confirmed by Russian official statistics. Yes, everyone already knows that the attempt to "abandon the useless dollar and switch to local currencies" has failed. But the flow of rupees into the Russian budget has not been greatly reduced. Yes, a small part of it is in yuan, it is true, as India and China have quite dense economic relations.
2. Yes, China is trying its best, using today's situation, to get as many fools as possible on the "yuan needle".  The goal is simple and clear, but not everyone understands The goal is to export the problems of the economy through the yuan to other countries. Yes I agree - in a way it is an attempt to save the economy, it can be presented as strengthening China.
3. Except that it does not strengthen Russia in any way. Today, it has become a cheap, submissive, raw materials appendage of China and India, and has lost its position as the "second pole of the bipolar world" thanks to China. Or am I missing something? Then explain. But according to the indicators of budget fulfillment - failure by 50% on oil revenue is already declared officially by you russia....

[jaberwock]

Sanctions have worked to an extent, but I don't believe sanctions can make Russia stop the war. This looks like a war in that the ego plays a very big role. Neither Russia nor Ukraine nor NATO would want to agree that they've been defeated.
Without the sanctions, Russia would have been able to do more harm to its enemies through economic means and otherwise. At this point, they're just looking for ways to survive whatever sanction that gets thrown at them and they've been managing well so far.

You have a raised valid concerns regarding limitations of economic sanctions in achieving desired outcomes. Economic sanctions may initially produce some results , but later targeted countries devise strategies to mitigate their impact on their economies overtime, and same thing is happening in Russia Ukraine conflict now.

The Russia Ukraine ongoing conflict has led to heavy human causalities, collateral damage and economic difficulties all over the world. We should raise our voices to exert pressure on political leaders to find effective ways to bring this devastating conflict to an end.

I do not think that Putin would really care about us lol. There are people who literally run away from Russia, so they do not call up for soldier work, and there was even a military organization (mercenary) that started to attack Russia itself, I mean like Russian mercenaries themselves, and they got what they wanted so they went back to war of course, but that's what we are seeing at this moment, I do not think that us voicing our opinion would really be cared at all. They will do whatever they want to do as long as they can until they can't.

You can defeat them in literally 1 week if you want to, but the nuclear war possibility makes it impossible. USA could send their "trillion dollar a year" worth military and it will be over in a week, but then what if Putin uses Nuclear weapons? That's why it has taken this long.

[DrBeer]

After the successful attack, by Ukrainian surface drones, of the Russian terrorist fleet and facilities in the Black Sea, Russia has a prospective real problem with oil supplies through the port of Novorossiysk.
This is the largest oil hub through which the terrorist country continues to sell oil.  At risk is the loss of shipments of about 1,500,000 barrels of oil per day. This is great news as the terrorist country will receive much less money for terrorism.
There is a slight downside - a short-term increase in the price of oil.  But, 1,500,000 million barrels is not a critical volume for the world market - for example, Saudi Arabia has a "reserve" for daily production of about 2,000,000 barrels, which they will launch on the market immediately after the Russian oil in the specified volume stops coming to the market. Nothing personal - just business

PS There is an assumption that the refineries in the territory of the terrorist country and its "hand dog" Belarus SSR are also at risk Belarus became a full-fledged aggressor against Ukraine when strikes were launched from its territory. Now the objects on the territory of Belarus, providing technical assistance to terrorist troops, become legal targets.

These can be, for example, Kirishinefteorgsintez refinery, Ryazan Oil Refining Company, Tuapse refinery, and in the BSSR - Mozyr refinery - those refineries that are within the range of missiles armed by the AFU.

[Ozero]

The problem is that India has started purchasing Russian oil with yuan which makes China more powerful, and Russia more powerful by proxy. India's purchasing Russian oil from Dubai based energy firms as well, trading with their local currency. Many non-dollar and non-rupee alternatives are out there for Russia.

It is most profitable for Russia to trade with India in rubles, but India does not need rubles. Back in the middle of last year, reports began to appear in the media about problems that Russia had in mutual settlements with India. In August, former Minister of Finance and ex-head of VTB24 and Otkritie banks Mikhail Zadornov said that billions of dollars in rupees were stuck in India, with which local buyers paid for Russian hydrocarbons. “Russia supplied $30 billion worth of oil and petroleum products to India in the first half of the year, and our imports from India are estimated at approximately $6–7 billion per year. We have nothing to buy from India, but we cannot return these rupees because the rupee is an inconvertible currency."

Therefore, when issuing export invoices, Russian companies increasingly began to use the yuan, which is easy to convert into rubles due to its high liquidity. As a result, oil imports from Russia, paid for in Chinese yuan, are growing, and the share of the dollar is declining. However, Indian refineries, primarily those owned by state-owned companies, are wary of the yuan. The only Indian importer currently paying for oil in yuan is Reliance Industries, owned by billionaire Mukesh Ambani. State-owned Indian Oil, Hindustan Petroleum and Bharat Petroleum actively use the dirham. This selectivity is due to the Indian government's policy to limit payments in yuan due to growing geopolitical tensions with China and the struggle for influence in the Asia-Pacific region. At the business level, the reason is the high currency risks when making payments in yuan compared to using the dirham, the exchange rate of which is de facto pegged to the US dollar.

Therefore, when Russia sells its oil to India, Russia has a huge problem with the settlement currency after it was prohibited from trading in the dollar and the euro.

[el kaka22]

I feel like making it look this way is quite important, we should remember that why we are doing this is and why USA vs Russia situation exists to begin with. I think it is simply because they are powerful, and they are literally afraid of each other. Don't get me wrong, I am not supporting one side or the other, I am just saying Russia is afraid of USA being too powerful, and USA is afraid that Russia would be too powerful, which is a trouble and we can't really make it work some other way.

Best way to go about this would be just realizing that we are going to end up with something that will take a while, and because of this situation being a "goats locked their horns" type of thing, we may never find any solution to this issue.

[Ozero]

I feel like making it look this way is quite important, we should remember that why we are doing this is and why USA vs Russia situation exists to begin with. I think it is simply because they are powerful, and they are literally afraid of each other. Don't get me wrong, I am not supporting one side or the other, I am just saying Russia is afraid of USA being too powerful, and USA is afraid that Russia would be too powerful, which is a trouble and we can't really make it work some other way.

Best way to go about this would be just realizing that we are going to end up with something that will take a while, and because of this situation being a "goats locked their horns" type of thing, we may never find any solution to this issue.

In this situation, the best way to peaceful coexistence is not to make sharp attacks and not escalate the situation, as Russia did by attacking Ukraine. It is quite possible that Russia would have gotten away with this, but Ukraine showed unprecedented tenacity in defending its territorial integrity and freedom and the United States took advantage of the good opportunity to weaken Russia militarily, economically and politically. So in the current difficult situation for Russia, Russia has only itself to blame. Russia is accustomed to resolving issues through blackmail, intimidation and military force. But it didn’t work here because there was too much at stake on the part of Europe and the United States. There, although belatedly, they realized that after Ukraine the attack would be on the EU countries and then they, together with NATO, would have to fight directly. If they had not started helping Ukraine, in the coming years it would have cost them much more than it does now.

[beerlover]

In this situation, the best way to peaceful coexistence is not to make sharp attacks and not escalate the situation, as Russia did by attacking Ukraine. It is quite possible that Russia would have gotten away with this, but Ukraine showed unprecedented tenacity in defending its territorial integrity and freedom and the United States took advantage of the good opportunity to weaken Russia militarily, economically and politically. So in the current difficult situation for Russia, Russia has only itself to blame. Russia is accustomed to resolving issues through blackmail, intimidation and military force. But it didn’t work here because there was too much at stake on the part of Europe and the United States. There, although belatedly, they realized that after Ukraine the attack would be on the EU countries and then they, together with NATO, would have to fight directly. If they had not started helping Ukraine, in the coming years it would have cost them much more than it does now.

Each side will defend their own reason, and they will always be right for what they did, they will always find a reason why they are right. Obviously, we will say that whoever shot the first bullet is the wrong one, but even those people will make sure that they have a "good" reason to do it, you may disagree, or you may agree, but the one thing we all have in common that we would love it to stop.

There is no reason to fight, get on the table, chat, and figure out a solution that is peaceful and even if you have to do some other way, make elections and let people decide on the resolution. We will have zero problems left after that, because killing each other will NEVER be the solution to anything in the world, haven't been for once, won't be ever.

[Ozero]

There is no reason to fight, get on the table, chat, and figure out a solution that is peaceful and even if you have to do some other way, make elections and let people decide on the resolution. We will have zero problems left after that, because killing each other will NEVER be the solution to anything in the world, haven't been for once, won't be ever.

The situation with war and peace in Ukraine is not as simple as it seems at first glance. Putin's Russia cannot agree to a fair peace agreement with Ukraine, since this would mean defeat in the war and the collapse of Putin's regime and his personal death. Therefore, Russia has already introduced four regions of Ukraine into its legislation and now demands that Ukraine withdraw its troops from these territories and give them to Russia, and also put forward other demands that are in fact the capitulation of Ukraine. Of course, Ukraine will never agree to such conditions.

In addition, in Ukraine they understand perfectly well that even if they agree to such enslaving conditions, this will not bring the long-awaited peace. Russia will use the truce to rebuild its battered army and will again attack the rest of Ukraine with the goal of capturing the entire territory. Russia's seizure of parts of Ukraine in 2014 only led to a full-scale invasion in 2022. Therefore, real peace can only come after the complete defeat of the Putin regime.

Some Western politicians are also making a proposal that they say, let's let the people of the occupied territories of Ukraine choose for themselves which country they want to live with and hold a referendum there. But, firstly, a referendum at gunpoint of Russian tanks and machine guns leads to only one result with numerous violations of electoral law, which actually turns into an imitation of elections with predetermined indicators of their results. Secondly, Russia is already actively importing its citizens to the occupied territories and deporting Ukrainians from there to various depressed regions of Russia for the purpose of their assimilation. Who do you think the Russians who have been displaced to the territory of Ukraine and thus become Ukrainians will vote for?

[STT]

EU should be the largest trading partner for Africa because its only a few miles between the southern parts of Spain and the northern coast of Africa which is an entire continent of course.

  Logistics will matter alot there, its far easier for those two trading blocs to swap goods to mutual advantage and that is the base line for regular profitable trade.

If we are discussing trade and oil then its about China really as China lacks oil and also shares a border with Russia.   There is some trade ongoing there but its not to the extent that EU previously traded with Russia for oil and gas; famously Germany decided this was a good idea to be fully reliant before doing a full reverse.   This volatility and lack of foresight was important in the lead up to war imo.

   I personally expect trade to decide this war and the direction of economies and nations in this area.  People have ideals and ideas across a broad spectrum but its quite simply decided by money alot of the time.  Wars are expensive in all respects and not profitable like mutual trade is.

   China needs Russian oil, they have little and this is also true of India though they are more distant but this aspect of supply and demand is a larger factor in outcome determination then other factors.

[CK485]

There is no reason to fight, get on the table, chat, and figure out a solution that is peaceful and even if you have to do some other way, make elections and let people decide on the resolution. We will have zero problems left after that, because killing each other will NEVER be the solution to anything in the world, haven't been for once, won't be ever.

Indeed, war will create an impact of uncertainty in the economic sector, the war situation in Ukraine has a very serious impact on the global, with Russia attacking Ukraine causing hostility between countries, on the other hand, those who attack are avoided by countries close to it by cutting off trade in all sectors including England initially supplied oil from Russia, because they objected to the Ukrainian attack they broke off the existing cooperation, but after the attack
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all Russian oil imports said they would import from other market countries that had oil wells, as a result of this the war had a very detrimental effect on all parties.

[bitgolden]

"Let's find a solution" is something I do agree that should be very important to handle, it's basically what we should all be doing. I understand that it is not going to be easy, but it could definitely be something that will take a while. All in all, people should realize that if the war was meant to be over, leaders could have gotten together and finish it by now, if they both wanted it to be over, it would have been over. What we are seeing right now is that both sides are putting their pride before anything else, and that's why they are having this situation.

A solution could be found, like some grey area, not Ukraine and not Russia area, independent, or put it up for voting there, give a truce for a while, fix things, and then do elections there to decide. It is not important what's the end result, if they wanted it to end, it would have been over now.

[Ozero]

"Let's find a solution" is something I do agree that should be very important to handle, it's basically what we should all be doing. I understand that it is not going to be easy, but it could definitely be something that will take a while. All in all, people should realize that if the war was meant to be over, leaders could have gotten together and finish it by now, if they both wanted it to be over, it would have been over. What we are seeing right now is that both sides are putting their pride before anything else, and that's why they are having this situation.

A solution could be found, like some grey area, not Ukraine and not Russia area, independent, or put it up for voting there, give a truce for a while, fix things, and then do elections there to decide. It is not important what's the end result, if they wanted it to end, it would have been over now.

You absolutely do not understand what Russia is doing in Ukraine now and what goals it is pursuing. Putin's Russia wants to destroy Ukraine as a state and Ukrainians as a nation. In the occupied territory of Ukraine, everything Ukrainian is destroyed and Russian is implanted; for any words of sympathy for Ukraine, people are shot or deported thousands of kilometers deep into Russia into depressed regions for the purpose of assimilation, and Russian citizens are transferred to the occupied territory of Ukraine. After this, do you propose to hold referendums there under the watchful supervision of armed Russian soldiers?

What does this have to do with the pride of Ukraine? Ukrainians are now fighting for their survival, freedom and independence. Who should we negotiate with if Russia has already included in its constitution the ownership of the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea and four regions of Ukraine as Russian territory? Do you want Ukraine to leave its citizens there to be torn apart by Russia? Have you seen what the Russians did and continue to do in the occupied settlements of Ukraine? Mass graves of civilians and numerous torture chambers are found everywhere. Therefore, any Russian occupier is destroyed by the Ukrainian Armed Forces if he does not surrender.

[fullhdpixel]

"Let's find a solution" is something I do agree that should be very important to handle, it's basically what we should all be doing. I understand that it is not going to be easy, but it could definitely be something that will take a while. All in all, people should realize that if the war was meant to be over, leaders could have gotten together and finish it by now, if they both wanted it to be over, it would have been over. What we are seeing right now is that both sides are putting their pride before anything else, and that's why they are having this situation.

A solution could be found, like some grey area, not Ukraine and not Russia area, independent, or put it up for voting there, give a truce for a while, fix things, and then do elections there to decide. It is not important what's the end result, if they wanted it to end, it would have been over now.

Key to solutions are always available, but sadly things like these usually works after having worst currently same happening in Ukraine we can go ahead with table talk and things ca sorted out without any problem but as mentions personal ego and allow common peoples to have relief because we all checking what is happening but just voice versa going around and all are playing number games even now Trump is also saying after re-electing as president he will use his power to sorted out this all but until then we have more causalities and more troubling life for millions.

Currently, we are having many areas which can settled with the table talk but no one is interested because they are having own priorities and just going ahead with them because without having their own priorities no one will bring solid solution for this all business is going ahead with sanctions are also staying, but all is working well.