The story of Betnomi.com (Exit Scam)

[Mahdirakib]

~snip~ maybe there is possible connection with another casino that showed up recently.

Can you also send me the name of the casino in PM? I will try to help you if I can.

In any case, I have no choice but to wait. Although if among the victims there is someone from the United States, write to me.

For the requirement of Betnomi's licence operator, United States was in the restricted countries list in their terms. Still there could be some players from the USA, but you will hardly find any real victims from that country.

That doesn't look good. But a valid question would be why delete their Linkedin page and not do the same for Twitter, Instagram, and Telegram?

They are closing the doors gradually by giving hope to the victims. Betnomi team is getting the advantages of this method, none of the victim has taken any serious step against Betnomi until now.

This was a particularly long-lasting scam... they must have found that running a casino somewhat honestly was profitable, so they kept it going for a long while, until it wasn't. It still goes to show that the warning signs were indeed there from the very beginning.

Yep, "long-lasting scam" as they were able to change the opinion of the forum member after the fake team and fake ICO project issue. Moreover, the had gained a strong support and great reputation in the forum by running free bet offers and by giving 'Cold Wallet' through free raffle. Betnomi had also sponsored in Bitcointalk community awards and Bitcointalk Pie baking contest. A few many forum members have received custom cold wallet from Betnomi! That's why the forum members ignored the warnings.

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[icopress]

Yep, "long-lasting scam" as they were able to change the opinion of the forum member after the fake team and fake ICO project issue. Moreover, the had gained a strong support and great reputation in the forum by running free bet offers and by giving 'Cold Wallet' through free raffle. Betnomi had also sponsored in Bitcointalk community awards and Bitcointalk Pie baking contest. A lot of forum members have received custom cold wallet from Betnomi! That's why the forum members ignored the warnings.

Dude, their marketing budget is way over what they could get (from the information we have). In addition, all information about their CEO (including IP and much more is known and confirmed) and I tend to think it all came about because of some very crappy management skills. Need to be an idiot to show your real data everywhere, be a resident of the USA (where they are quite strict about fraud) and at the same time think about Exit Scam.

[Csmiami]

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Need to be an idiot to show your real data everywhere, be a resident of the USA (where they are quite strict about fraud) and at the same time think about Exit Scam.

I mean, I would bet that we have seen worse, haven't we?

Bad management did for sure play a big role in this whole fiasco; the way many things weren't automated and had to be manually approved by the owner (although a lot could have changed in those 2 years we didn't talk) and bragging about hacking and saying people "stalk" him because it is known that he has some over 20ish BTC... And I would even stretch it a bit further. If you know you are not capable of running something, and still try/don't care about the outcome; aren't you in a way also scamming your users (when things indeed go south).

It's not related to this problem, but I do remember parts of what happened to their ICO. AFAIK, the investors never saw a cent out of it, and the idea back in the day was to re-launch the ico token but migrating to a different network and take once again money from investors. I never heard the end of it tho.

[icopress]

[...] and bragging about hacking and saying people "stalk" him because it is known that he has some over 20ish BTC

Can you point me to reference materials so that I can review this?

Since a year and a half of acquaintance with all kinds of dramas around Betnomi, I hear about this story for the first time.

[Mahdirakib]

Need to be an idiot to show your real data everywhere, be a resident of the USA (where they are quite strict about fraud) and at the same time think about Exit Scam.

The exit scam of Betnomi won't be a big thing for Sorsis if his carding story is true. There is no way to verify anything until someone meet him in real life. He could be an idiot too, you will know everything before us if you take steps with the information which you have acquired.

- the bragging about carding skills, aka literally scamming people (crime)

[logfiles]

They planned the whole scam from day one... We only got fooled and accepted that they had reformed only to pull off an exit scam.

OP this is the archive to the erased OP of the thread - http://archive.is/NUdsW

• [SCAM] BETNOMI - Fake team, ID and Linkedin used without owner authorizations (New title: Old file - to erase)

[Poker Player]

The exit scam of Betnomi won't be a big thing for Sorsis if his carding story is true. There is no way to verify anything until someone meet him in real life. He could be an idiot too, you will know everything before us if you take steps with the information which you have acquired.

- the bragging about carding skills, aka literally scamming people (crime)

Can you explain what exactly "carding skills" means on this context, please? Because I have carding skills and I don't scam anyone. I must be missing something here.

[Csmiami]

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Carding as in copying/duplicating credit cards and "getting 18k worth of goods a month".

[efialtis]

You GOSUS (ehm, GUYS) might wanna take a look at this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290792.0

[Mahdirakib]

Can you explain what exactly "carding skills" means on this context, please?

Here is it

What Is Carding?
Carding is a general fraudster term for using stolen credit and debit card data for personal gain – which can be selling the data, using them to buy goods, or using them to power further fraud.

One of the employees of Betnomi had posted some screenshot of the conversation with Sorsis in 2020. Where Sorsis said that he "was carding over 18k USD worth of items weekly". Sorsis also claimed that he had compromised 28k computers by creating a rat (remote access trojan).

[Synchronice]

Let's have a look into some other and old facts regarding Betnomi.

Fake team:
The first complaint was raised in 2019 against Betnomi team. It was related to the fake team and fake ICO project. A flag was created against them, and Betnomi representative had received some negative feedbacks too. But the flag was withdrawn later and some negative feedback was turned into neutral. Betnomi team had solved it by sending PM to some forum members and by running a review campaign.

Actually, running a review campaign shouldn't be a solution and I personally think that overall, giving a second chance is a bad decision, it looks like giving a second bullet to someone after avoiding the first shot.
I saw the archive of original scam accusation thread, they shouldn't be forgiven for what they did!

[Poker Player]

Carding as in copying/duplicating credit cards and "getting 18k worth of goods a month".

What Is Carding?
Carding is a general fraudster term for using stolen credit and debit card data for personal gain – which can be selling the data, using them to buy goods, or using them to power further fraud.

One of the employees of Betnomi had posted some screenshot of the conversation with Sorsis in 2020. Where Sorsis said that he "was carding over 18k USD worth of items weekly". Sorsis also claimed that he had compromised 28k computers by creating a rat (remote access trojan).

Lol. Since you could play poker at Betnomi, I was thinking of something like being good at cards, not this kind of fraud.

I imagine they took advantage of the "no one everyone is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt," which I've been talking about lately on the forum.

[holydarkness]

Stayzor has made his own accusation thread about his case with Betnomi, here. OP, you probably should edit your opening post and change the link to his case from the existing one [which redirect to his post on one of thread about Betnomi] to his specific accusation thread. This thread might could serve as an "index" for the cases against Betnomi.

[Stedsm]

Can you explain what exactly "carding skills" means on this context, please?

Here is it

What Is Carding?
Carding is a general fraudster term for using stolen credit and debit card data for personal gain – which can be selling the data, using them to buy goods, or using them to power further fraud.

One of the employees of Betnomi had posted some screenshot of the conversation with Sorsis in 2020. Where Sorsis said that he "was carding over 18k USD worth of items weekly". Sorsis also claimed that he had compromised 28k computers by creating a rat (remote access trojan).

I'm amazed by this number, which means that not only this guy was genius (in terms of being a scammer) by stealing the users' credit card data they would be using on the gambling site (it was allowed to deposit via CC on their site IIRC) or he'd have lots of other stuff where he'd have been selling something and stealing the data, and that trojan is also a part of that steal (by getting the access of PCs) as he'd have sold all that data online to various customers and made enough from there too. The world of internet has become too much evil. 

[arabspaceship123]

This Edge Function has crashed message hasn't been replaced the site isn't working.



Betnomi.com were famous. They've sponsored threads they've used sig campaigns so if they've scammed it's sad because ppl trusted them. Who's behind the Betnomi.bet website? If it's the same team they're making a mistake using Betnomi's name again because ppl won't get trapped again.

What happened: Betnomi.com went down for 'scheduled maintenance' on the 2nd July without any prior notice. One month has been passed, yet there is no official announcement about the downtime and the users stuck funds. Betnomi.com is showing this message since 25th July: 'This Edge Function has crashed'. Perhaps, the administrators have taken down the website intentionally. A small number of users have complained about stuck funds on Betnomi here in the forum.

[holydarkness]

[...] Who's behind the Betnomi.bet website? If it's the same team they're making a mistake using Betnomi's name again because ppl won't get trapped again.

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If you bother to read the entire post you quoted, or read other threads related to this case, you'll understand that betnomi[dot]bet was one of their older domain

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Users data was moved to a dummy website Betnomi.bet and wiped from Betnomi.com:
In the October month of 2021, Betnomi team had registered a new domain Betnomi.bet and moved the Betnomi.com database in it. They had wiped all the data from Betnomi.com after moving it into Betnomi.bet. As a result, Betnomi.com became like a new platform and old affiliate partners had lost all the affiliate benefits. (Read here)

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[notblox1]

Can you also send me the name of the casino in PM? I will try to help you if I can.

Sure.
I sent you the same message like all other members who asked for it.
There are some connections between them but I am not sure if they are owned by same guys or not, so this needs to be investigated better and they slowly started to remove evidence.
I dont know if they are classic exit scam because I dont see many people complaining they lost money on betnomi, and I agree with people who say they had bad management.
I can add they had very bad security so dont be surprised if you receive calls from unknown guys with strange accents, if you had verified betnomi account.

One of the employees of Betnomi had posted some screenshot of the conversation with Sorsis in 2020. Where Sorsis said that he "was carding over 18k USD worth of items weekly". Sorsis also claimed that he had compromised 28k computers by creating a rat (remote access trojan).

It would not be the first time to see criminals trying to move money in more legal businesses and later shutting down all companies.
I saw many examples with scammers doing crypto, ICO and gambling.

[Mahdirakib]

Lol. Since you could play poker at Betnomi, I was thinking of something like being good at cards, not this kind of fraud.

But you are innocent here with your carding skill in a table game .

I imagine they took advantage of the "no one is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt,"

Is it 'no one' or 'everyone'?

I dont know if they are classic exit scam because I dont see many people complaining they lost money on betnomi, and I agree with people who say they had bad management.

Several forum members have said that they had small funds on Betnomi, but they won't take any action as the amount is small. You are one of them too. BTW, every victim doesn't know about Bitcointalk. And some of them eagerly waiting for Betnomi to come back as they had created similar situation before. As a result, we aren't seeing a lot of complaints here.

[Poker Player]

Is it 'no one' or 'everyone'?

It's obviously "everyone". Thanks for pointing that out, I've edited it.

[arabspaceship123]

My advice to campaign managers is to ensure they already have sufficient fund to run a week from the organizations through their representatives in other not to put their participants on hold after they might have worked but not received pay, isn't it better to always hold than running a week at your own risk, but i think some representatives were actually promising at their words, they don't owe managers even though they were unreached, they will definitely pay every week started to their participants.

What value are you actually bringing to this thread? You're talking about funding for a sig campaign and what managers should be doing(BTW they know what they should be doing) when the thread is about Betnomi exit scamming.

Go get your post quota elsewhere!!

He's deleted the post after you've told him.

This was a particularly long-lasting scam... they must have found that running a casino somewhat honestly was profitable, so they kept it going for a long while, until it wasn't. It still goes to show that the warning signs were indeed there from the very beginning.

They've used fake profiles so it should've been the end of them using in the forum when they were exposed in 2021. Why wasn't Betnomi booted from the forum if warning signs were there from the very beginning. Could it be they've gained trusts because of sig campaigns and paying for competitions?