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August 20, 2023, 02:39:40 PM
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I do not agree if the child is said to be a responsible gambler just because he gambles when he has money or has savings, in my opinion it is still excessive gambling in gambling, responsible gamblers are those who do it regularly in terms of money, and he only set aside a little money to gamble from the salary or income he gets from his job, plus he is still 18 years old, maybe he doesn't force him to gamble today when he doesn't have money, but we don't know a year later if he gambles illegally massive when the age of maturity is still unstable, his character will become a gambler in life.
Yeah right, you can only say that a person is well disciplined in his own money if he has a money and he has that kind of mindset to not really spend that money on gambling. If he only gamble because he just want to have fun then it is good because  that is why gambling is being created for that thing. I just hope he can still manage his desire in gambling so he will not be addicted sooner or later.
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August 20, 2023, 05:18:18 PM
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but his mother is insisting that he must stop. What will be your advice for this young boy?
This is easy, the advice should be for the mother that limits the budget of the boy so that he doesn't have much to gamble. Just go to the roots of why this boy can gamble, so if there's not that much money then that only means that he's got a limited move and can't deposit much.
That will serve as a forced lesson to the boy and I think that he'll learn that when he starts to feel that the budget was lessened. Although a possible rebelling action and recoil could happen but expect the positive side and effect.
thats good solution since the problem here is the fact that he is not getting the money himself through working but instead its his mother that working hard so his mother simply reserves all the rights on what to do and what to allocates her money for.
I think it could also give a way to teach him a lesson like you said and even motivates him to earn some money through real hard work so that he can use it all he wants.
the problem here is that if he is spending more and more money his family economy would eventually collapse and this will lead to poverty.
That will humble and teach him a big lesson that he should spend his money wisely and this will also stop him from gambling. But if he gambles again then another punishment that shall be made if don't learn the lesson. This is more of parenting issue anymore and that's why the mother should be more strict and go hard on his kid before that kid develops a habit of spending not his own money on gambling. Because when he grows up, worse thing could happen if he's not going to be corrected while he can still be.

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August 20, 2023, 05:21:45 PM
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With all their high curiosity, young people will try something they have never done, including gambling, alcohol, sex, and drugs. But that won't happen to young people who can control themselves, which they learned from a young age and have been given understanding by their parents so they won't do things they might not be allowed to do at their age. And when there are young people who have started gambling, this is worth asking, where did they get to know about gambling and since when did they start gambling.

His parents must convince him that gambling is not good for him mentally and financially and give him the understanding to have other activities to keep him busy. Usually, if young people already have a positive activity, they will try to keep doing these positive things and avoid negative things that can ruin their schedule.
I don't understand how you can include gambling to be a part of alcohol, sex and drugs because all of them are bad for young people. Gambling isn't bad as long as that young people have money to afford to lose either it's from their saving, freelancing, or part time job.

Gambling is should used to be an entertainment, similar like how most of young people are playing video games because it's fun.
Gambling is not a good thing for young people, and it is definitely not like playing video games because video games might be addictive but they are not like gambling where you have to spend money every time you gamble and when you don't have that, you start looking around for ways that you can use to get some money, which is not the case with video games which children can play whenever they want if they have time and they can always stop doing that.

We all know that gambling addiction is not similar to the addiction children have to play video games. However, excess of anything is bad, even playing a lot of video games is a bad thing for children. So, gambling for young people can be considered a bad thing for sure.

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August 20, 2023, 05:29:03 PM
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A family member reported to me that her eighteen years old son has started gambling. She is not worried that he is gaming but her problem is that he is a student that solely depends on her for everything he needs. Her fear is also that her son might start stealing from her if he has no access to the money he needs to gamble. My relative has even started suspecting that some money she feels was misplaced might have been stolen by her son.

I spoke to my nephew and he told me that he has never stolen from his mother to gamble. And he gambles with only his savings from his weekly stipend he receives from the family. And he won't gamble if he has no savings to do that. From my observation, he is a responsible gambler that is just enjoying the game and making a little money occasionally. The gambling age in my country is 18+, but his mother is insisting that he must stop. What will be your advice for this young boy?

I would advise this young man to spend on entertainment the money that he earned himself. In my opinion, there is no problem that he was interested in gambling, it could be something else (sex, travel or whatever) everything costs money. But it's one thing to spend easy money, and another to spend your hard earned money. If he started working on his own, perhaps he would think more about how to increase his income and not about how to spend it. And thus many optional entertainments would become less interesting to him.

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August 20, 2023, 06:01:09 PM
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Yeah right, you can only say that a person is well disciplined in his own money if he has a money and he has that kind of mindset to not really spend that money on gambling. If he only gamble because he just want to have fun then it is good because  that is why gambling is being created for that thing. I just hope he can still manage his desire in gambling so he will not be addicted sooner or later.

It's really hard, to be honest when it comes to self-discipline unless you already have it as a person or you've learned it through the course of your life but if you don't have it when you engage in such kinds of entertainment, then you are just saying that you are going to the ocean hoping for not getting wet which is we know that's impossible. We know that in gambling most of those who played without thinking of what is tomorrow in their life mostly ended their decision when they lost it all some of them realized it and quit thinking gambling was not for them and some stayed hoping to get back what they have lost.

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August 20, 2023, 08:00:38 PM
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I would advise this young man to spend on entertainment the money that he earned himself. In my opinion, there is no problem that he was interested in gambling, it could be something else (sex, travel or whatever) everything costs money. But it's one thing to spend easy money, and another to spend your hard earned money. If he started working on his own, perhaps he would think more about how to increase his income and not about how to spend it. And thus many optional entertainments would become less interesting to him.

The young people need of entertainment at the young age after suffering lot due to their family pressure.Most of the young people after marriage suffering a lot,because the new one will share his income.Before he only spend on his family.Now a days earning money is not the easy task,it take huge time.It's very hard to earn now a days,So the young people should target the entertainment along with the job.The travel is also best one for the entertainment for the young people,it will give them the moral support to stay away from all the depression.The gambling is the entertainment which gives the money along with entertainment.

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August 20, 2023, 08:11:49 PM
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A family member reported to me that her eighteen years old son has started gambling. She is not worried that he is gaming but her problem is that he is a student that solely depends on her for everything he needs. Her fear is also that her son might start stealing from her if he has no access to the money he needs to gamble. My relative has even started suspecting that some money she feels was misplaced might have been stolen by her son.

I spoke to my nephew and he told me that he has never stolen from his mother to gamble. And he gambles with only his savings from his weekly stipend he receives from the family. And he won't gamble if he has no savings to do that. From my observation, he is a responsible gambler that is just enjoying the game and making a little money occasionally. The gambling age in my country is 18+, but his mother is insisting that he must stop. What will be your advice for this young boy?

I would advise this young man to spend on entertainment the money that he earned himself. In my opinion, there is no problem that he was interested in gambling, it could be something else (sex, travel or whatever) everything costs money. But it's one thing to spend easy money, and another to spend your hard earned money. If he started working on his own, perhaps he would think more about how to increase his income and not about how to spend it. And thus many optional entertainments would become less interesting to him.

I agree, there is no problem if a person indulge himself in pleasure as long as the money he spent is from his own hard works.  But if he is still dependent on his parents, he should value the money he received and just like what the earlier replies stated, valuing it and spending it wisely is the best respect a financial dependent can do to the person who gives him the money.

Regardless of age, if he is still financially dependent, this person should avoid spending the money he received to luxurious stuff, instead he must saved them so that he can have money when time comes the person who is supporting him experience hardship and unable to continue to support this financial dependent person.
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August 21, 2023, 05:40:45 AM
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I don't understand how you can include gambling to be a part of alcohol, sex and drugs because all of them are bad for young people. Gambling isn't bad as long as that young people have money to afford to lose either it's from their saving, freelancing, or part time job.

Gambling is should used to be an entertainment, similar like how most of young people are playing video games because it's fun.
A curious young person can be all things unknown at his age so maybe gambling is something they will try. This can be seen from the many young people who have started to get involved in gambling and we even hear of several cases of young people who committed suicide because of gambling. That's similar to the cases related to alcohol, sex, and drugs that young people experience. Gambling may not be bad for young people or even adults, as long as they can take good care of themselves while gambling. But the reality that is encountered is that many young people are out of control.

There is no need to go far. We may have seen young people fighting with other young people just because of trivial matters, their female friends were bullied or they accidentally collided with other people. Other young people will be provoked by their emotions and attack people or other young people who have problems with their female friends. For this reason, young people should channel their activities into positive things that can provide a lot of good for them.

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August 21, 2023, 06:11:02 AM
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But it's one thing to spend easy money, and another to spend your hard earned money. If he started working on his own, perhaps he would think more about how to increase his income and not about how to spend it. And thus many optional entertainments would become less interesting to him.

In reality players often ignore this. I was like that too few months after I'm starting to playing slots, they are more likely playing beyond their "money can afford to lose" anymore.  In some cases, a person no longer thinks about how to get more free money for gambling, but they tend to look for ways to get more for betting. Borrowing, lying to the family at any cost, as long as they can get money, they will do that and make a bet again. Looklike tomorrow's life depends on the "jackpot" if it come.

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August 21, 2023, 07:59:36 AM
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Honestly, I am very concerned about incidents like this but there is not much we can do to stop them and only self-awareness can stop or control these gambling activities.
Maybe if there is socialization and also educational services for youth it can put more pressure on the increasing number of gamblers classified as teenagers or students who are currently mushrooming in every country.
At this age a gambler cannot be identified unless he reveals the matter himself because a gambler is getting all kinds of benefits from sitting at home. If a gambler realizes on his own that he may be addicted or has pushed himself into a hostile environment from which he needs a way out, he will find a way to control himself there if he can explain addiction well to those gamblers. We should remember that no gambler can be forced to turn away. If they are adults then definitely they can come back by realizing these things.
They don't seem to be able to have self-awareness and it will be difficult to tell what is really going on because they are definitely afraid that their parents will find out that they have a serious problem, namely gambling addiction or worse, becoming an addict.
Although this may not be accepted by parents when they find out, they can even be angry, but being honest to say that this is an interest and really must be done so that he can immediately be helped out of addiction problems.
Let alone those who are still teenagers, even adults will be ashamed and will never want to tell others about their addiction.

What you're describing is a disaster waiting to happen! Youth gambling? That's opposite sportspeople's discipline and dedication. Instead of practicing hard, putting in the hours, and striving for perfection, they're gambling?

They dump money for education and basic needs into the gambling pit? You're telling me people are creating businesses in this mess? If they have the gambling bug, those enterprises will collapse. Hard.

The internet makes it easy? Yes, it is! It made my success easy, though. All about choices. Let's be honest - if kids can't resist gambling, how will they handle real-world challenges? Socialization and education may help, but I'm not optimistic.
Now that's the fear that I might have felt when I saw or heard that children who were underage were starting to get to know gambling.
They will definitely get negative impacts and of course the problem of gambling addiction will be a difficult problem for every child to develop until he succeeds in becoming a better successor.
Wrong action in taking is a natural thing to happen but when the mistake is due to entering into gambling then it is really worrying.
You know all the conveniences you can get to be able to gamble so that everyone at all ages can easily access it without any difficulties.

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August 21, 2023, 11:19:50 AM
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I do not agree if the child is said to be a responsible gambler just because he gambles when he has money or has savings, in my opinion it is still excessive gambling in gambling, responsible gamblers are those who do it regularly in terms of money, and he only set aside a little money to gamble from the salary or income he gets from his job, plus he is still 18 years old, maybe he doesn't force him to gamble today when he doesn't have money, but we don't know a year later if he gambles illegally massive when the age of maturity is still unstable, his character will become a gambler in life.
Yeah right, you can only say that a person is well disciplined in his own money if he has a money and he has that kind of mindset to not really spend that money on gambling. If he only gamble because he just want to have fun then it is good because  that is why gambling is being created for that thing. I just hope he can still manage his desire in gambling so he will not be addicted sooner or later.
Children are not considered to be responsible gamblers until they are adults. A child can be indulged in gambling by his friends as long as they have money with them. When one will not have enough money, he no longer gambles. It must be difficult for him to accept gambling as fun unless he is only an adult or 18+. As we know that minor won't have control over them. By the incident that OP mentioned I would say that since the gambler has no source of income of his own. So he will be able to control his gambling activities by himself. There is no need for mothers to get too excited.

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August 21, 2023, 11:49:12 AM
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I do not agree if the child is said to be a responsible gambler just because he gambles when he has money or has savings, in my opinion it is still excessive gambling in gambling, responsible gamblers are those who do it regularly in terms of money, and he only set aside a little money to gamble from the salary or income he gets from his job, plus he is still 18 years old, maybe he doesn't force him to gamble today when he doesn't have money, but we don't know a year later if he gambles illegally massive when the age of maturity is still unstable, his character will become a gambler in life.
Yes, for me someone who is still 18 is still not very mature, so it sounds strange if he has started gambling and making money, even though we know that gambling is not a place to make money, let alone get riches quickly, so I think he is too. you should focus on raising money to continue higher education to get a more decent job in the future.

I wonder why young people nowadays are so proud of getting money from gambling even though it is from their work money, even though I gamble also use my salary money set aside but at least I know that gambling is just for fun, worried that young people like that are carried away by the emotions of playing too deep to get out of control in the long term and eventually become an addict.

It is indeed strange, where the age of 18 years should be better to collect money for the foundation of the next life, continue to university or do business, learn to invest or whatever is for a better future, he instead uses his money to gamble, one day he will experience difficulties When he experiences an accident, or negative things that occur in his health, and he does not have savings to pay for things that will be sad.

Whatever the concept in gambling, whether to have fun or earn money is certainly wrong if you use the savings money, he does not have financial principles and how to manage money well if only using his money to gamble after his basic needs. I think it will be a gloomy youth if the way of thinking is like that.

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August 21, 2023, 12:04:16 PM
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Children are not considered to be responsible gamblers until they are adults. A child can be indulged in gambling by his friends as long as they have money with them. When one will not have enough money, he no longer gambles. It must be difficult for him to accept gambling as fun unless he is only an adult or 18+. As we know that minor won't have control over them. By the incident that OP mentioned I would say that since the gambler has no source of income of his own. So he will be able to control his gambling activities by himself. There is no need for mothers to get too excited.
And he should be stopped earlier before it become addicted to gambling because if those moments come, it was hard for him to stay away and controlled himself. His mother's intervention is very important this time, he needs more guidance and changes his habit as it possibly turns out to be her nightmare when her son starts stealing her money in order to have the capital for gambling.
Many young people had come in the wrong direction and are addicted to gambling because of a lack of guidance from their parents.



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August 21, 2023, 02:40:52 PM
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The young people need of entertainment at the young age after suffering lot due to their family pressure.Most of the young people after marriage suffering a lot,because the new one will share his income.Before he only spend on his family.Now a days earning money is not the easy task,it take huge time.It's very hard to earn now a days,So the young people should target the entertainment along with the job.The travel is also best one for the entertainment for the young people,it will give them the moral support to stay away from all the depression.The gambling is the entertainment which gives the money along with entertainment.
I fully support your statement when educating young people to have a career or work but also make money in their own way, such as considering their work as entertainment or even being able to work in entertainment venues to earn a salary but also have fun and essentially make money with pleasure.

but slightly disagree with the last word you wrote assuming that gambling provides money and entertainment. this assumption makes young people fall into evil a little because usually young people have an unstable mindset and cannot think in a healthy manner, they only accept something in their minds instantly and if we say gambling gives money it is very wrong but if it provides entertainment it is very big and if you get money from gambling it can be considered as a bonus when enjoying the entertainment.

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August 21, 2023, 02:52:07 PM
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Boys in my country start gambling from below eighteen years of age and they are gambling day and night in different casino sites. Moreover, in reality, many people are gathering gambling together with money. In fact, their family is very rich, so they are investing here because they have a lot of money. I have seen many people gamble by selling their assets but they are only greedy to make extra money.

My advice to these youths is to stop gambling and do now study and not give extra money from their families. Only necessary money will be given to their children.
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Inherently, life is a gamble. Any choice you make, every professional move you make, every investment you make is a gamble. Humanity has always sought pleasure, risk-taking, and the excitement of the unknown, according to the old rhythms of history and the currents of society. Well, Im not advocating for irresponsibility, but dont be foolish in believing that young people lack the ability to distinguish between enjoyment and harm.

When done responsibly, gambling may be entertaining. Indeed, there could be a financial "bonus" of sorts. Im not advocating that they stake their entire future on it. To adamantly reject its existence within the realm of human amusement, however, would be stupid. We are not machines designed only to be productive. We require the disorder, unpredictability, and danger. Its embedded in our DNA. Although you may perceive it as evil, it can just be another facet of the intricate human tale.

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August 21, 2023, 06:05:47 PM
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Boys in my country start gambling from below eighteen years of age and they are gambling day and night in different casino sites. Moreover, in reality, many people are gathering gambling together with money. In fact, their family is very rich, so they are investing here because they have a lot of money. I have seen many people gamble by selling their assets but they are only greedy to make extra money.

My advice to these youths is to stop gambling and do now study and not give extra money from their families. Only necessary money will be given to their children.

well, about those cases of minors who are playing in casinos, they are breaking the laws of their country, which means they are committing crime, they are breaking the TOS of the casinos, which means they are not respecting the casinos, And there is another very serious problem, which is the fact that they don't work, they still don't earn their own money, so they are taking their parents' money and spending it in a very irresponsible way. they are rich, they may think that their parents' money is infinite money, but the truth is that their parents' money is not infinite money, today they have living parents, but tomorrow they may lose their parents, their parents may to die

and in most cases where the parents are rich when the parents die then all the family businesses start to fail and as the children live spending a lot of money then even the bank accounts that had a lot of money start to be empty, with a few years bank accounts are at zero and poverty knocks on these children's doors, without parents it is difficult to have anyone else to ask for help, so they start living on the streets, other children become thieves and other children are murdered in confrontations with the police

That's why it's very important to educate children well, parents should watch their children's phones, this is something very important, I think that underage children require a lot of attention from their parents, some parents start making mistakes by giving their children a phone and computer. their children when they are children and to make matters worse, these parents do not control their children, they do not like and do not go to their children's schools to find out how their children are behaving, their grades at school, they do not sit down to talk to their children to know if they have problems if they have any difficulties with something

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August 21, 2023, 08:08:35 PM
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Inherently, life is a gamble. Any choice you make, every professional move you make, every investment you make is a gamble. Humanity has always sought pleasure, risk-taking, and the excitement of the unknown, according to the old rhythms of history and the currents of society. Well, Im not advocating for irresponsibility, but dont be foolish in believing that young people lack the ability to distinguish between enjoyment and harm.

I think this is a matter of perspective, no one is right and wrong since it is about a personal belief.  There are also indication the life isn't a gamble at all because of the factor that can alter the result of persons decision making it favorable to the one making the decision.  It has a control risk factor that refute life being a gamble.  But of course we can agree to disagree, after all, as I stated no one is wrong in their own perspective.

When done responsibly, gambling may be entertaining. Indeed, there could be a financial "bonus" of sorts. Im not advocating that they stake their entire future on it. To adamantly reject its existence within the realm of human amusement, however, would be stupid. We are not machines designed only to be productive. We require the disorder, unpredictability, and danger. Its embedded in our DNA. Although you may perceive it as evil, it can just be another facet of the intricate human tale.

But regardless, if a person is not yet earning his own stead, he should avoid wasting the money given to him by his parents.  It is not a matter of they have control or not but the matter of indebtedness to the people who is giving us the money when we are not able to produce it ourselves.  We should not indulge ourselves with to much pleasure to the point of spending our allowance given by our parents to things that can possibly harm us, or make us demand more money because the first one was spent on gambling.

Although it maybe true that it is embedded in our DNA but we have the minds that can control our urge and decisions helping us to do better things than wasting our allowance to pleasure.
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August 22, 2023, 04:33:39 AM
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Boys in my country start gambling from below eighteen years of age and they are gambling day and night in different casino sites. Moreover, in reality, many people are gathering gambling together with money. In fact, their family is very rich, so they are investing here because they have a lot of money. I have seen many people gamble by selling their assets but they are only greedy to make extra money.

My advice to these youths is to stop gambling and do now study and not give extra money from their families. Only necessary money will be given to their children.
Those who belong to rich families won't really care about their age nor do their family care about these things and they give them so much money to spend on anything they want and these are the kinds of children that get spoiled because they are not supervised from the beginning and their activities are not watched and checked by their parents and guardians. And if you have any experience with them, no one from outside the family can tell them anything because such children are often disrespectful to everyone.

However, I don't blame the children for any of that since it's the responsibility of the family to take care of them and make sure that their upbringing isn't questioned when they grow up because that will be a shame for the parents if their children get spoilt when they are grown-ups.

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Boys in my country start gambling from below eighteen years of age and they are gambling day and night in different casino sites. Moreover, in reality, many people are gathering gambling together with money. In fact, their family is very rich, so they are investing here because they have a lot of money. I have seen many people gamble by selling their assets but they are only greedy to make extra money.

My advice to these youths is to stop gambling and do now study and not give extra money from their families. Only necessary money will be given to their children.
Those who belong to rich families won't really care about their age nor do their family care about these things and they give them so much money to spend on anything they want and these are the kinds of children that get spoiled because they are not supervised from the beginning and their activities are not watched and checked by their parents and guardians. And if you have any experience with them, no one from outside the family can tell them anything because such children are often disrespectful to everyone.

However, I don't blame the children for any of that since it's the responsibility of the family to take care of them and make sure that their upbringing isn't questioned when they grow up because that will be a shame for the parents if their children get spoilt when they are grown-ups.

That's right, and it's like a curse for the rich. It seems to us, simple guys, that the rich have the best life, because they have nothing more to wish for, but we forget that according to Maslow's Pyramid, moral needs play a big role if you are provided for. But rich people are always busy, and they seem to be trying to buy off children by trying to borrow money from them. In 80 percent of the interviews I watched, the dependent young players were from wealthy or very wealthy families. And this is surprising, because why do they need more money? And it turns out that gambling gave them a sense of independence in managing their lives.

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