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January 26, 2024, 05:23:41 PM
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Uncontrolled gambling addiction does really terrible things to people, and the most terrible thing is the so-called "depreciation of money." It all starts with the fact that the ludoman does not perceive money as something received for hard work.

For him, money becomes just numbers on the screen, and this is bad, because then his real life completely changes its priorities.

For a dependent who receives pocket change from family and goes on to regularly use it to gamble, such an individual who doesn’t really know how not easy it is for a lot of people to earn money, would spend it without giving much thought to how it’s gotten in the first place. It’s easier to burn through money that isn’t earned and for the dependent making bad financial decisions at a young age, it would be easy to grow having these habits.

When an individual has no sense of earning money and using it for himself, that person would have no value for the money being given.
You are right it is worrying to see someone who depends on their family for money and uses it for gambling without understanding how valuable money is or how hard it is to earn. This lack of understanding can lead to spending money not caring about being responsible with it. When someone do not know how to earn money and use it for their own needs they are less likely to appreciate the money they are given.
If I am to be among the parents of the boy I will not give him money anymore because he's not ready yet.
Moreover, the age of gambling is 18+ and he's just 18 years old and have no money but depending on his families to give him money and after that he's using them to gamble.
The boy is not ready to make a better life, God helps he's not addicted yet or putting his hope for winning big money that he can make living from it.

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January 26, 2024, 05:53:21 PM
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I agree with his mother that he should stop gambling, because gambling is quite dangerous for a person if it is not controlled by oneself. Moreover, the effects of gambling addiction can unintentionally affect a person so it is better to avoid it.

Yes, his stipends are for his upkeep while in school, not for gambling purposes. Joggling both habits for another, will mare the aim of his pocket money. He could be responsible, but won't play like a pro. His actions need to be observed for his good. Nobody has ever opened up easily about their gambling troubles. Hence, it's important that the uncle and mom try to get close to him and engage in casual but not simply casual discussions. He should feel relaxed talking to his parents about what he feels about gambling. From his information, one could determine how far he's gone into gambling and if he's undergoing any stress trying to maintain and enjoy his habit. Distance shows no help to this condition. The discussion session with the child or boy should be once he's back from school on weekends or holidays.

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January 26, 2024, 09:09:48 PM
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Uncontrolled gambling addiction does really terrible things to people, and the most terrible thing is the so-called "depreciation of money." It all starts with the fact that the ludoman does not perceive money as something received for hard work.

For him, money becomes just numbers on the screen, and this is bad, because then his real life completely changes its priorities.

For a dependent who receives pocket change from family and goes on to regularly use it to gamble, such an individual who doesn’t really know how not easy it is for a lot of people to earn money, would spend it without giving much thought to how it’s gotten in the first place. It’s easier to burn through money that isn’t earned and for the dependent making bad financial decisions at a young age, it would be easy to grow having these habits.

When an individual has no sense of earning money and using it for himself, that person would have no value for the money being given.
You are right it is worrying to see someone who depends on their family for money and uses it for gambling without understanding how valuable money is or how hard it is to earn. This lack of understanding can lead to spending money not caring about being responsible with it. When someone do not know how to earn money and use it for their own needs they are less likely to appreciate the money they are given.
If I am to be among the parents of the boy I will not give him money anymore because he's not ready yet.
Moreover, the age of gambling is 18+ and he's just 18 years old and have no money but depending on his families to give him money and after that he's using them to gamble.
The boy is not ready to make a better life, God helps he's not addicted yet or putting his hope for winning big money that he can make living from it.

For me this is the most correct thing , I Personally  Always going to Say and Determine that a child should not interact in the casino , a Child can watch his parents play in the Casino but as Long as he has not been seen that things They are very aware that the casino and the children are not the things for them , for the children there are other types of games, like the PS5 or other types of games, but for me in particular I will Always see that a casino is not Viable  For a child , or Teenager, the Ideal Age for any Person to Enter a casino is 18 years old , Otherwise if we Look at what we do before it Should not be allowed, among the rules of every casino is that the 18-year-old men, because there are many problems that they must bear by having them then in this order of death, we, as people, will always do whatever it takes so that they can generate more things more etnniemot in another way, a child instead of being By taking him to a casino what he should be doing is Studying or playing sports, but keeping him busy and not letting him invent and think about things he shouldn't, that's why things should be done like this.

Now, there are many parents who currently do not Give much Importance to what their Children do and that is something that should not be like that, because children need special attention for everything, one should not think that things can be done by doing or maintaining any something so that everyone says that you are the right thing, one as a parent must be absolutely responsible for doing the right thing, of course you Cannot invent that it could be on another Topic , I don't know, but I think that now children must be very careful , Because sometimes the Children are not even to blame , they may be Imitating the girls to do things , what others do , they Should be doing their Activities.

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January 26, 2024, 09:23:44 PM
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I say he listen to his parents for he meantime. The kid is clearly still depending upon his mom and dad still, and in my opinion regardless of if whether you're the most responsible gambler on the planet or not, you have no business wasting money that didn't come from you in the first place. Just picture this, if you're this irresponsible with money that instead of actually spending it on something more worthwhile and long-lasting you thought of gambling the money your parents gave you then what more would it be if it were your own money?

At this point it's not just about not listening to your parents but actually setting yourself for a bigger problem in the future. It's good that you're responsible as a gambler but with money? Not really man. I'd suggest your nephew to start listening to his parents first, and perhaps look into more productive ways to spend his money instead of splurging it in a casino.
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January 26, 2024, 09:26:34 PM
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If I am to be among the parents of the boy I will not give him money anymore because he's not ready yet.
Moreover, the age of gambling is 18+ and he's just 18 years old and have no money but depending on his families to give him money and after that he's using them to gamble.
The boy is not ready to make a better life, God helps he's not addicted yet or putting his hope for winning big money that he can make living from it.
This is a possible alternative to not give him money anymore, because he might be out of control and end spending that money with gambling, while in fact he should be spending money with his basic needs, school's demands and rides with his friends. However, to not give him money will difficult his life a lot, because this way his parents will have to give him the items he needs, instead of fiat. At some point it will be impractical and too time consuming for his parents as well to give him access to everything he needs in real time.

A more practical solution would be to monitor his banking account app through the history of transactions. If he deposits any money at casinos, his parents will know about it, so they can punish the son for his disobedience. It's not possible to say he is going to learn the lesson and stop acting against his parents' wishes, but that is something they must try to do, as there isn't easy alternative here for a rebel individual, who is unable to control his impulses.

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January 27, 2024, 12:07:41 PM
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If I am to be among the parents of the boy I will not give him money anymore because he's not ready yet.
Moreover, the age of gambling is 18+ and he's just 18 years old and have no money but depending on his families to give him money and after that he's using them to gamble.
The boy is not ready to make a better life, God helps he's not addicted yet or putting his hope for winning big money that he can make living from it.
This is a possible alternative to not give him money anymore, because he might be out of control and end spending that money with gambling, while in fact he should be spending money with his basic needs, school's demands and rides with his friends. However, to not give him money will difficult his life a lot, because this way his parents will have to give him the items he needs, instead of fiat. At some point it will be impractical and too time consuming for his parents as well to give him access to everything he needs in real time.

A more practical solution would be to monitor his banking account app through the history of transactions. If he deposits any money at casinos, his parents will know about it, so they can punish the son for his disobedience. It's not possible to say he is going to learn the lesson and stop acting against his parents' wishes, but that is something they must try to do, as there isn't easy alternative here for a rebel individual, who is unable to control his impulses.

Someone who is still a minor or a teenager who has not yet entered the adult phase usually does not have any management at all, especially in terms of finances, they just do whatever they want, etc. and one of them is gambling, if only they had the money given to them by their parents. with the aim of spending on snacks, usually they will only allocate money to something they want, whatever it is and including gambling, and also whatever they do is usually not based on prior consideration because they are still not very mature in terms of distinguishing between what is good. and which ones are bad. On the other hand, as you said, it is very likely that they will get out of control and spend all their money on gambling, a child who is still under age has strong ambitions along with a high level of curiosity and this is what makes many prohibitions appear about children who minors should not engage in gambling.

It's true that if parents don't give them money then they will have difficulties and I'm sure parents won't bear to see their children not having snacks with their friends, but if parents give them money then other worries will arise, namely about gambling. The solution you provide is quite good, but the problem is, don't all goods or snacks for a child always provide digital payment? This means they still need fiat money because the school also has a rule that a child is prohibited from using a cell phone and with their finances stored in an account it could make it difficult for them to buy food during break times. I understand that however this is a solution that leads to goodness but I think not everyone can do it easily.

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January 29, 2024, 04:47:33 AM
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Uncontrolled gambling addiction does really terrible things to people, and the most terrible thing is the so-called "depreciation of money." It all starts with the fact that the ludoman does not perceive money as something received for hard work.

For him, money becomes just numbers on the screen, and this is bad, because then his real life completely changes its priorities.

For a dependent who receives pocket change from family and goes on to regularly use it to gamble, such an individual who doesn’t really know how not easy it is for a lot of people to earn money, would spend it without giving much thought to how it’s gotten in the first place. It’s easier to burn through money that isn’t earned and for the dependent making bad financial decisions at a young age, it would be easy to grow having these habits.

When an individual has no sense of earning money and using it for himself, that person would have no value for the money being given.

That's right, people who have never earned money by hard work will not appreciate this money. Everyone has to find out for themselves that money is very difficult.

I know many examples when children from rich families lost hundreds of thousands of dollars and did not feel anything at the same time - not the slightest remorse.
 And all this precisely because for them money was just a number on the screen in the "deposit" window. And it is from such people that the most dependent ludomaniacs are obtained.

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January 29, 2024, 05:44:11 AM
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I agree with his mother that he should stop gambling, because gambling is quite dangerous for a person if it is not controlled by oneself. Moreover, the effects of gambling addiction can unintentionally affect a person so it is better to avoid it.
A person who gamble without structuring out solid plans will end up losing everything, the exact same thing apply to trading. Gambling can not make one break free from financial instability because its very volatile and our odds of winning consistently will be reduce to its minimum term. Everything in the system is risky, the moment or day we decides to fund our account and states our intentions to gamble, we ought to be extremely careful from day one because it's definitely not going to be an easy run for most of us, some will survive the race, some will fall.

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January 29, 2024, 04:42:02 PM
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If I am to be among the parents of the boy I will not give him money anymore because he's not ready yet.
Moreover, the age of gambling is 18+ and he's just 18 years old and have no money but depending on his families to give him money and after that he's using them to gamble.
The boy is not ready to make a better life, God helps he's not addicted yet or putting his hope for winning big money that he can make living from it.
This is a possible alternative to not give him money anymore, because he might be out of control and end spending that money with gambling, while in fact he should be spending money with his basic needs, school's demands and rides with his friends. However, to not give him money will difficult his life a lot, because this way his parents will have to give him the items he needs, instead of fiat. At some point it will be impractical and too time consuming for his parents as well to give him access to everything he needs in real time.

A more practical solution would be to monitor his banking account app through the history of transactions. If he deposits any money at casinos, his parents will know about it, so they can punish the son for his disobedience. It's not possible to say he is going to learn the lesson and stop acting against his parents' wishes, but that is something they must try to do, as there isn't easy alternative here for a rebel individual, who is unable to control his impulses.

Someone who is still a minor or a teenager who has not yet entered the adult phase usually does not have any management at all, especially in terms of finances, they just do whatever they want, etc. and one of them is gambling, if only they had the money given to them by their parents. with the aim of spending on snacks, usually they will only allocate money to something they want, whatever it is and including gambling, and also whatever they do is usually not based on prior consideration because they are still not very mature in terms of distinguishing between what is good. and which ones are bad. On the other hand, as you said, it is very likely that they will get out of control and spend all their money on gambling, a child who is still under age has strong ambitions along with a high level of curiosity and this is what makes many prohibitions appear about children who minors should not engage in gambling.

It's true that if parents don't give them money then they will have difficulties and I'm sure parents won't bear to see their children not having snacks with their friends, but if parents give them money then other worries will arise, namely about gambling. The solution you provide is quite good, but the problem is, don't all goods or snacks for a child always provide digital payment? This means they still need fiat money because the school also has a rule that a child is prohibited from using a cell phone and with their finances stored in an account it could make it difficult for them to buy food during break times. I understand that however this is a solution that leads to goodness but I think not everyone can do it easily.
This goes beyond gambling and digital payments to teach our youngsters how to handle life's challenges. You believe protecting them will help? Again, think. Striking a balance means teaching kids financial management and gambling's social role. We must differentiate between occasional gambling under supervision and compulsive gambling. We can't ignore it. They need to understand risk, reward, and moderation. The lesson is about making educated decisions and accepting the consequences, not only gambling. Be honest about the digital challenge. Our time is digital. It's about using technology for good. Teach children to handle digital money wisely, cautiously, and responsibly. Provide them with the tools and knowledge to make good decisions, not restrict access

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January 29, 2024, 05:08:37 PM
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This is a possible alternative to not give him money anymore, because he might be out of control and end spending that money with gambling, while in fact he should be spending money with his basic needs, school's demands and rides with his friends. However, to not give him money will difficult his life a lot, because this way his parents will have to give him the items he needs, instead of fiat. At some point it will be impractical and too time consuming for his parents as well to give him access to everything he needs in real time.

A more practical solution would be to monitor his banking account app through the history of transactions. If he deposits any money at casinos, his parents will know about it, so they can punish the son for his disobedience. It's not possible to say he is going to learn the lesson and stop acting against his parents' wishes, but that is something they must try to do, as there isn't easy alternative here for a rebel individual, who is unable to control his impulses.

That's a better alternative than not handing out some dollar bills to him. Such problems are not resolved with any form of aggression. Following up gradually and trying to discuss it with him could be faster therapy, than looking for a strict means of stopping him. Provided the child goes out of the house, nobody would be able to tell exactly what he's done. A child could be smart enough to trick his parents not to figure out he's still gambling. So, while tracing his transaction logs, it's important to check up on him and talk. His reactions when gambling is raised up, can help the parents to know how intrigued the child is towards gambling. Does he get upset and doesn't want to talk about gambling or excited to hear his parents talking about gambling. The strength of the conversations would determine the best solution for the child's gambling addiction.

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January 29, 2024, 05:25:58 PM
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If I am to be among the parents of the boy I will not give him money anymore because he's not ready yet.
Moreover, the age of gambling is 18+ and he's just 18 years old and have no money but depending on his families to give him money and after that he's using them to gamble.
The boy is not ready to make a better life, God helps he's not addicted yet or putting his hope for winning big money that he can make living from it.

I see this option as a very strict one that might have some negative consequences. This strategy might work in some occasions especially if the cause of his addictions is because of access to funds.  It is also important to know that there are still other reasons why dependents engage in gambling.  It could be peer pressure which will not definitely be stopped by stopping his funds. These youths might seek for alternative source of funds if the parents do not identify and deal with the main cause of the gambling. 

Recently, a young boy stole the family's electric generator sets because he wanted to service his addiction. And I heard from a source that the parents stopped giving him funds for his upkeep, so he decided to engage in such a shameful act. These young people could even go to the extent of engaging in illegal activities just for the sake of gambling.  Therefore, I think starving them of funds might not be the ideal solution.

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January 29, 2024, 05:32:11 PM
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There are many different problems on OP description
Gambling as an underage and even stealing money to gamble
Parents should probably talk to the kid and seek help from a professional
A psychologist with experience in this matter can probably help

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If I am to be among the parents of the boy I will not give him money anymore because he's not ready yet.
Moreover, the age of gambling is 18+ and he's just 18 years old and have no money but depending on his families to give him money and after that he's using them to gamble.
The boy is not ready to make a better life, God helps he's not addicted yet or putting his hope for winning big money that he can make living from it.

I see this option as a very strict one that might have some negative consequences. This strategy might work in some occasions especially if the cause of his addictions is because of access to funds.  It is also important to know that there are still other reasons why dependents engage in gambling.  It could be peer pressure which will not definitely be stopped by stopping his funds. These youths might seek for alternative source of funds if the parents do not identify and deal with the main cause of the gambling.  

Recently, a young boy stole the family's electric generator sets because he wanted to service his addiction. And I heard from a source that the parents stopped giving him funds for his upkeep, so he decided to engage in such a shameful act. These young people could even go to the extent of engaging in illegal activities just for the sake of gambling.  Therefore, I think starving them of funds might not be the ideal solution.

in the OP's situation, the youngster is still responsible because he can still contain his gambling habits. but what if in the near future, you let him do what he wants, and become addicted to this habit? i guess, he can possibly be on verge of stealing from his mother, who knows? or will resort to other means of acquiring his funds just to supply his gambling activities. for now, what the OP described is that the youngster is still responsible to his activities. but sooner or later, this kid can easily create a problem out of his gambling. especially if he's running out of funds and nowhere to go.

do take note, a young mind can easily be easily influenced by what he feels and not think logically. because of lack of experience, he can easily resort to steps that are not favourable to his family. you don't know yet the maturity level of this person as he is new to this game, so a detrimental step can easily be taken by this young individual getting hooked into gambling.

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That's right, people who have never earned money by hard work will not appreciate this money. Everyone has to find out for themselves that money is very difficult.

I know many examples when children from rich families lost hundreds of thousands of dollars and did not feel anything at the same time - not the slightest remorse.
 And all this precisely because for them money was just a number on the screen in the "deposit" window. And it is from such people that the most dependent ludomaniacs are obtained.

Spoiled... is a trait that rich parents instill in their children so it's no wonder why many rich children don't feel pain when they lose big money while gambling or going on a spree, but it's very different when you earn money with difficulty, you will definitely struggle to be able to use the money as well as possible and will even feel hurt if you spend the money at the gambling table.
Many great gamblers are born from those who have good money management, well it's interconnected because good money management proves that you can control your finances very wisely, you won't gamble with more money than you have.
Unlike those who are unable to control their finances, they will definitely use all the money they have to gamble until they don't have any savings left.



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January 29, 2024, 05:49:37 PM
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This goes beyond gambling and digital payments to teach our youngsters how to handle life's challenges. You believe protecting them will help? Again, think. Striking a balance means teaching kids financial management and gambling's social role. We must differentiate between occasional gambling under supervision and compulsive gambling. We can't ignore it. They need to understand risk, reward, and moderation. The lesson is about making educated decisions and accepting the consequences, not only gambling. Be honest about the digital challenge. Our time is digital. It's about using technology for good. Teach children to handle digital money wisely, cautiously, and responsibly. Provide them with the tools and knowledge to make good decisions, not restrict access

For a child, whatever the reason, it would be too risky if he held his own money. Never mind the risk of gambling, if they have already gambled with any kind of gambling. Even those who don't gamble, a lot of case found, that make their parents run out of their credit card balance/limit when their parents link the card to a platform for purchasing game items, whether mobile or desktop. Giving children freedom over money may not good. So, the best thing is not to give money or not allow them to carry a lot of money and avoid linking financial access with purchasing digital goods (in-game items, or gambling) by parents.

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January 29, 2024, 05:51:18 PM
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If I am to be among the parents of the boy I will not give him money anymore because he's not ready yet.
Moreover, the age of gambling is 18+ and he's just 18 years old and have no money but depending on his families to give him money and after that he's using them to gamble.
The boy is not ready to make a better life, God helps he's not addicted yet or putting his hope for winning big money that he can make living from it.

Not giving the boy money is truly one of the best ways to control his gambling. Gambling requires money and when there is no money, you have no option but to stay calm.

During this time, the boy should be introduced to learning a skill or engage in activities that can aid his learning because what he needs at this age is knowledge and not money.

We shouldn't neglect the fact that maybe this gambling was copied from his parents. If this is the case, then all blame should go to his parents and so, his parents should try to hide their gambling from the child. This can control the situation.

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Spoiled... is a trait that rich parents instill in their children so it's no wonder why many rich children don't feel pain when they lose big money while gambling or going on a spree, but it's very different when you earn money with difficulty, you will definitely struggle to be able to use the money as well as possible and will even feel hurt if you spend the money at the gambling table.
Many great gamblers are born from those who have good money management, well it's interconnected because good money management proves that you can control your finances very wisely, you won't gamble with more money than you have.
Unlike those who are unable to control their finances, they will definitely use all the money they have to gamble until they don't have any savings left.

The rich children will not feel the pain until the support of their parents had loss.Many of them help their children at the hard times of gambling,the gambling need to have the support by the other sources to survive in the gambling field.The gamblers who are from good economical backgrounds will do the gambling again from the beginning.The self control of the gamblers at the high risk by playing the gambling with the huge money as the single betting money.Because the more dollars he had risk will leads to more money he loss in the gambling.The rich gamblers will never take risk of huge money in the gambling site.

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I agree with his mother that he should stop gambling, because gambling is quite dangerous for a person if it is not controlled by oneself. Moreover, the effects of gambling addiction can unintentionally affect a person so it is better to avoid it.

A mother will definitely direct their children in the right direction and tell them the truth that gambling is not good to take too seriously because gambling is related to money, children who are still in school and still under the care of their parents definitely do not have a stable income. which they can use for gambling, so what happens when they don't have money for gambling of course they will steal and even use their school money for gambling. Don't ever try to gamble if you are still a school child you will only make things difficult for yourself, I have a friend who didn't finish school because he was addicted to gambling, he is unemployed now.




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January 29, 2024, 09:34:26 PM
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A family member reported to me that her eighteen years old son has started gambling. She is not worried that he is gaming but her problem is that he is a student that solely depends on her for everything he needs. Her fear is also that her son might start stealing from her if he has no access to the money he needs to gamble. My relative has even started suspecting that some money she feels was misplaced might have been stolen by her son.

I spoke to my nephew and he told me that he has never stolen from his mother to gamble. And he gambles with only his savings from his weekly stipend he receives from the family. And he won't gamble if he has no savings to do that. From my observation, he is a responsible gambler that is just enjoying the game and making a little money occasionally. The gambling age in my country is 18+, but his mother is insisting that he must stop. What will be your advice for this young boy?

It sounds like a dangerous road to walk down at that young age, when there are so many more interesting and better things to give them variety in life. They should be out making friends, playing games, socializing and traveling with that sort of money. It also makes it harder when they start getting paid work, because they've got gambling on their mind and the amount they start to plow into it may go up. If it were a family member of mine at such an age and you are around enough to influence them, really try to move them away from this and help find a new hobby - take them kayaking, get them into an MMA gym, even just going out for hikes, as they may not have many friends to do these things with and end up trapped trying to fill up their time.

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January 29, 2024, 09:39:16 PM
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If I am to be among the parents of the boy I will not give him money anymore because he's not ready yet.
Moreover, the age of gambling is 18+ and he's just 18 years old and have no money but depending on his families to give him money and after that he's using them to gamble.
The boy is not ready to make a better life, God helps he's not addicted yet or putting his hope for winning big money that he can make living from it.

I see this option as a very strict one that might have some negative consequences. This strategy might work in some occasions especially if the cause of his addictions is because of access to funds.  It is also important to know that there are still other reasons why dependents engage in gambling.  It could be peer pressure which will not definitely be stopped by stopping his funds. These youths might seek for alternative source of funds if the parents do not identify and deal with the main cause of the gambling. 

You’ve got a point on that option taking a darker path as the dependent child, not getting access to funds like he previously did and perhaps, has already taken a deep unhealthy liking to gambling as an activity, such child would be forced to acquire money any way he could possibly could including stealing from friends and family and burglarizing houses looking for valuable to pawn for cash.

I would suggest the dependent child that’s 18 to get a job and earns his own money. He would learn the value of money that way and then, might just get wise to how he handles money moving on.
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