[Boxing] Casimero vs Oguni - October 12

[Jating]

It is just another controversial stoppage and a technical draw.  From the start of the fight, I felt uncomfortable, when the referee did not count a knockdown when the Japanese boxer fell down. It is obvious that there is a connection and wether it was blocked or not, as long as  it is not an illegal punch, it should have been considered a KD.

It's a drawback when a boxer competes in a country with a less reputable boxing scene. There can be instances of questionable actions, but proving them falls to us, although not necessarily through legal means. It's not just the supposed knockdown; the final sequence was highly controversial. It was supposed to be a knockout, yet they ruled it as a head butt. If Casimero had managed to conclude the fight in the first round, it could have been a game-changer for him. The hype around his career would have surged, potentially setting the stage for an Inoue vs. Casimero showdown.

I would consider Japan to be one of the most reputable countries for boxing. I rarely ever see a bad decision or blatantly biased referees. Those sort of things happen in the US and UK regularly but I just don't think it's common in Japan. I've watched the replay and slowed it down during these supposed controversial moments and in neither instance does it show Casimero landing a legal blow. People are making assumptions due to their favoritism but the referee made the right call to determine it was a headbutt that caused the injury to Oguni.

Now, that was a very clear picture of what happened, but wasn't Oguni already injured before the headbutt occurred? Sometimes what we see in a picture doesn't tell the whole story. I'm referring to the impact of that headbutt versus the impact of what Casimero had been throwing throughout the fight.

To claim that Japan is one of the most reputable countries for boxing, I have my doubts. I watched Casimero's last fight against a Japanese opponent. It was initially ruled as a no contest but was later announced as a TKO. If they truly scrutinized the situation before making a decision, they could have awarded the win to the deserving fighter right then and there.

It's really hard to say if it is a head butt that really do the damage or it was a shot that Casimero throws that inflicted that cut on Oguni. It's not the question on the referee though, but I do agree that every country is biased towards their fighters. But in this fight I think Casimero is really doing some damage on Oguni already and it just so happen that either the head butt comes first or that Casimero hit him, with the size of his gloves causing that big gash on Oguni face. And then the referee doing his job, calling a halt and consulted with the ring physician. And most likely it will be controversial to think that in boxing we need to have the benefit of the replay and see what really happen before the referee making that big decision to stop and then calling it a technical draw.

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[cryptomaniac_xxx]

On the contrary, he was exposed, he doesn't have the gas tank and stamina, he was open for counter, doesn't have that reflex to protect himself, and then the poweris not there. Sure he hit Oguni and put him on skates, but it's not enough to even score a 8 count from the referee. And to be fair with the referee, he did good in officiating this fight, no biased whatsoever and stop it because Oguni can't see anymore and the injury is close to the eye.

I still want to witness him face Inoue, if only to finally settle their unfinished business. Given the way Casimero performed, fans of Inoue would eagerly anticipate their idol silencing him. The word "afraid" should no longer be in use, as Casimero's current condition is insufficient to defeat Inoue in a fight.

I somehow inclined to agree that with the current performance of Casimero, he will have a hard time beating Inoue.  I see how careless Casimero is when attacking his opponent which may give Inoue a chance to early KO Casimero if ever they meet each other in the ring.

Yes, for sure Inoue has seen this fight already and he himself is not impressed by the performance of Casimero to the point that maybe he is no longer wants to fight him. And even if Casimero win against Oguni, given the fact with the way he handle himself, with no stamina and he was hit by Oguni, I do agree that his current condition is not enough to defeat the Monster.

Inoue right now is a complete package, and chances are very high that we will be the 2nd man to have two unified belt. The first one is Crawford, at 140 lbs and 147 lbs. And Inoue with his scheduled fight against Tapales this December. Casimero will have to go home enjoy his pay check but somewhat will have to think about his career at time is running out for him.

[bisdak40]

Yes, for sure Inoue has seen this fight already and he himself is not impressed by the performance of Casimero to the point that maybe he is no longer wants to fight him. And even if Casimero win against Oguni, given the fact with the way he handle himself, with no stamina and he was hit by Oguni, I do agree that his current condition is not enough to defeat the Monster.

Inoue right now is a complete package, and chances are very high that we will be the 2nd man to have two unified belt. The first one is Crawford, at 140 lbs and 147 lbs. And Inoue with his scheduled fight against Tapales this December. Casimero will have to go home enjoy his pay check but somewhat will have to think about his career at time is running out for him.

For now, it is safe to say that Inoue vs Casimero is out of the picture with that horrible performance, and what makes it worse is the statement of Casimero after the fight that seems to me that he was just there to take the money and not minding if the fight fans were enjoying the show.

I've read an article that says the fight between Tapales and Inoue might be on December 26, seems legit as both guys are hitting the gym at this point preparing for that big event, not only for Inoue but also for Tapales. No one knows that there might be an upset as Tapales is not nicknamed The Nightmare for nothing hehe.

[Kemarit]

Yes, for sure Inoue has seen this fight already and he himself is not impressed by the performance of Casimero to the point that maybe he is no longer wants to fight him. And even if Casimero win against Oguni, given the fact with the way he handle himself, with no stamina and he was hit by Oguni, I do agree that his current condition is not enough to defeat the Monster.

Inoue right now is a complete package, and chances are very high that we will be the 2nd man to have two unified belt. The first one is Crawford, at 140 lbs and 147 lbs. And Inoue with his scheduled fight against Tapales this December. Casimero will have to go home enjoy his pay check but somewhat will have to think about his career at time is running out for him.

For now, it is safe to say that Inoue vs Casimero is out of the picture with that horrible performance, and what makes it worse is the statement of Casimero after the fight that seems to me that he was just there to take the money and not minding if the fight fans were enjoying the show.

That is too bad if Casimero is just looking for paycheck after paycheck moving forward. And if he keeps going this way, sooner or later he might not have these big money coming in and hopefully he had some already invested because it seems that if you follow his social media, he is very flamboyant and living the lifestyle as if money is not going to be a problem for him in the future.

I've read an article that says the fight between Tapales and Inoue might be on December 26, seems legit as both guys are hitting the gym at this point preparing for that big event, not only for Inoue but also for Tapales. No one knows that there might be an upset as Tapales is not nicknamed The Nightmare for nothing hehe.

Yes, and Tapales already gave a warning to Inoue already, ‘I’ll be your biggest nightmare’.

So let's see what's next for Casimero and how his Japanese promoter will do to his career because it's not really moving forward in the super bantamweight division.

[Natalim]

Yes, and Tapales already gave a warning to Inoue already, ‘I’ll be your biggest nightmare’.

Tapales is trying to be like Casimero. The guy has some confidence to say to Inoue that he is his biggest nightmare. He can say anything he wants, but I'm hoping he'll back it up with his performance. I don't want to see a boxer who's no different from Inoue's past opponents, who were afraid to engage and fought just to survive.

So let's see what's next for Casimero and how his Japanese promoter will do to his career because it's not really moving forward in the super bantamweight division.

The outcome of the fight doesn't benefit him. It ended in a DRAW, but it's not just the outcome that concerns us; it's how he handled the fight and how he appeared to gas out early. It's not a good sign for him, and I think Inoue could decline his challenge, saying he's not on his level.

[Hypnosis00]

The outcome of the fight doesn't benefit him. It ended in a DRAW, but it's not just the outcome that concerns us; it's how he handled the fight and how he appeared to gas out early. It's not a good sign for him, and I think Inoue could decline his challenge, saying he's not on his level.

He was expected to win that fight convincingly, but we were surprised by his performance. If you watched that fight, you could really see how badly he wanted to knock out his opponent. It was evident right from the very first round of the fight that this was his intention. But we should never underestimate his opponent; after all, he was a former bantamweight champion, so he has some skills and the mindset of a champion.

I'm not sure what's next for Casimero, but the fact that he didn't lose still keeps him in a ranking that could potentially improve over time. I know he's very eager to fight Inoue, but I think he should let that opportunity pass for now. There's a time for everything, and what he needs to do is train well, get some more fights under his belt, and make sure he impress the fans. That's when the hype for their matchup will be created again.

For now, we can only speculate on the possible outcome of an Inoue vs. Tapales fight, as this is shaping up to be the most significant bout in the lower division so far.

[Jating]

Yes, and Tapales already gave a warning to Inoue already, ‘I’ll be your biggest nightmare’.

Tapales is trying to be like Casimero. The guy has some confidence to say to Inoue that he is his biggest nightmare. He can say anything he wants, but I'm hoping he'll back it up with his performance. I don't want to see a boxer who's no different from Inoue's past opponents, who were afraid to engage and fought just to survive.

So let's see what's next for Casimero and how his Japanese promoter will do to his career because it's not really moving forward in the super bantamweight division.

The outcome of the fight doesn't benefit him. It ended in a DRAW, but it's not just the outcome that concerns us; it's how he handled the fight and how he appeared to gas out early. It's not a good sign for him, and I think Inoue could decline his challenge, saying he's not on his level.

It might work on Tapales the positive way, at least he is not afraid of the monster. Unlike many of his opponents in the past that like trash talking Inoue but was a total different boxer in the ring.

As for Casimero I do agree with what we have seen in this fight,

- no gas tank or doesn't have that stamina
- feel in love with his one hit punch, but when it didn't work he don't know what to do
- should be getting a new trainer. People around him are just kissing his ass
- his power is no longer there at 122 lbs
- his age is showing in this fight

He should not be obsessed with a Inoue fight since this kind of performance will not get Inoue excited to fight him.

[avp2306]

Yes, and Tapales already gave a warning to Inoue already, ‘I’ll be your biggest nightmare’.

Tapales is trying to be like Casimero. The guy has some confidence to say to Inoue that he is his biggest nightmare. He can say anything he wants, but I'm hoping he'll back it up with his performance. I don't want to see a boxer who's no different from Inoue's past opponents, who were afraid to engage and fought just to survive.

No one gonna buy that knowing that Casimero in prime is at different level, but I love the confidence of the guy since he really want to get the nerve of Inoue but we all know here that the Japanese guy have the advantage in all aspect. But let see if there's a surprise will happen and Tapales will be the one declared as a winner since for sure this will create a big noise on boxing scene knowing that many fans believe that Tapales will lost on their match.

I also don't know if he have enough preparation so lets see if he can able to last at round 12 since if he take all slow and let Inoue dominate him maybe we cannot see him last for long rounds knowing that Inoue is always looking for early knock out to make the fight not last for more long rounds.

[bisdak40]

Yes, and Tapales already gave a warning to Inoue already, ‘I’ll be your biggest nightmare’.

Tapales is trying to be like Casimero. The guy has some confidence to say to Inoue that he is his biggest nightmare. He can say anything he wants, but I'm hoping he'll back it up with his performance. I don't want to see a boxer who's no different from Inoue's past opponents, who were afraid to engage and fought just to survive.

No one gonna buy that knowing that Casimero in prime is at different level, but I love the confidence of the guy since he really want to get the nerve of Inoue but we all know here that the Japanese guy have the advantage in all aspect. But let see if there's a surprise will happen and Tapales will be the one declared as a winner since for sure this will create a big noise on boxing scene knowing that many fans believe that Tapales will lost on their match.

I also don't know if he have enough preparation so lets see if he can able to last at round 12 since if he take all slow and let Inoue dominate him maybe we cannot see him last for long rounds knowing that Inoue is always looking for early knock out to make the fight not last for more long rounds.

Preparation-wise, Tapales has been training for almost two months now in the US with regards to his fight with Inoue, that's how prepared he was considering that the fight will tentatively happen on December 26, more than two months from now. I could say that Tapales has the confidence now because it is not easy to unify two belts and he got it with passion.

Back to Casimero, coming from the word of his promoter that the Inoue fight that they are chasing might not take place anymore due to Casimero's consecutive lack-luster performance. We can't blame them as their ward was not fighting to the hype he was given.

[Kemarit]

Yes, and Tapales already gave a warning to Inoue already, ‘I’ll be your biggest nightmare’.

Tapales is trying to be like Casimero. The guy has some confidence to say to Inoue that he is his biggest nightmare. He can say anything he wants, but I'm hoping he'll back it up with his performance. I don't want to see a boxer who's no different from Inoue's past opponents, who were afraid to engage and fought just to survive.

So let's see what's next for Casimero and how his Japanese promoter will do to his career because it's not really moving forward in the super bantamweight division.

The outcome of the fight doesn't benefit him. It ended in a DRAW, but it's not just the outcome that concerns us; it's how he handled the fight and how he appeared to gas out early. It's not a good sign for him, and I think Inoue could decline his challenge, saying he's not on his level.

I wouldn't say Tapales is trying to be Casimero or what. We haven't seen him being brandish in the ring or something, perhaps he just want to show that he is confident in his abilities and not afraid of the Monster.

And this is what I have been saying about Casimero: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL_f0RZGeiQ

He might end up with nothing if he stops fighting because he just give his money away and this the problem not just with Casimero. All other boxers in the past lost their money this way. Didn't save some for them and in the end, all those that they help disappear.

[Distinctin]

Yes, and Tapales already gave a warning to Inoue already, ‘I’ll be your biggest nightmare’.

Tapales is trying to be like Casimero. The guy has some confidence to say to Inoue that he is his biggest nightmare. He can say anything he wants, but I'm hoping he'll back it up with his performance. I don't want to see a boxer who's no different from Inoue's past opponents, who were afraid to engage and fought just to survive.

So let's see what's next for Casimero and how his Japanese promoter will do to his career because it's not really moving forward in the super bantamweight division.

The outcome of the fight doesn't benefit him. It ended in a DRAW, but it's not just the outcome that concerns us; it's how he handled the fight and how he appeared to gas out early. It's not a good sign for him, and I think Inoue could decline his challenge, saying he's not on his level.

I wouldn't say Tapales is trying to be Casimero or what. We haven't seen him being brandish in the ring or something, perhaps he just want to show that he is confident in his abilities and not afraid of the Monster.

And this is what I have been saying about Casimero: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL_f0RZGeiQ

He might end up with nothing if he stops fighting because he just give his money away and this the problem not just with Casimero. All other boxers in the past lost their money this way. Didn't save some for them and in the end, all those that they help disappear.

Pacman has been giving money to the poor, and I don't think that would significantly affect Casimero's finances. He is earning a substantial amount of money as a popular boxer, and it would be unwise for him to give away everything he has; of course, he can only afford to lose a certain amount.

Casimero is not done, I can assure you. Once the fight between Inoue vs. Tapales takes place and Inoue emerges as the winner, the discussions will likely focus on Casimero, Nery, and Inoue if he chooses to remain in the same division.

So, let's not overreact; giving money would not make a boxer poor. In fact, one of the major reasons I know that makes them poor is gambling and other vices.

[bisdak40]

And this is what I have been saying about Casimero: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL_f0RZGeiQ

He might end up with nothing if he stops fighting because he just give his money away and this the problem not just with Casimero. All other boxers in the past lost their money this way. Didn't save some for them and in the end, all those that they help disappear.

I have seen this video also in his own vlog account and I could that it is just a penny to what he earned on the Oguni fight, besides the amount he gives was not so big and most of the recipients are his relatives so it is not so alarming that he do that.

I'm sure that Casimero knew the consequences if he became broke and he already saved for his future if we take a closer look at his lifestyle, it is not as lavish as Manny's when he was beginning to earn millions of dollars. Gambling is one cause for a man to go broke, if Casimero gambles irresponsibly then that might bring him down.

Will lock the thread in a few hours and as usual thanks for all of your comments guys.

I still hope that the door to Inoue vs Casimero fight is still open so the business between them will be over.

[Slow death]

Yes, and Tapales already gave a warning to Inoue already, ‘I’ll be your biggest nightmare’.

Tapales is trying to be like Casimero. The guy has some confidence to say to Inoue that he is his biggest nightmare. He can say anything he wants, but I'm hoping he'll back it up with his performance. I don't want to see a boxer who's no different from Inoue's past opponents, who were afraid to engage and fought just to survive.

So let's see what's next for Casimero and how his Japanese promoter will do to his career because it's not really moving forward in the super bantamweight division.

The outcome of the fight doesn't benefit him. It ended in a DRAW, but it's not just the outcome that concerns us; it's how he handled the fight and how he appeared to gas out early. It's not a good sign for him, and I think Inoue could decline his challenge, saying he's not on his level.

looking at this fight and just as some people have already said, Casimero's performance was very low during the fight, it didn't even seem like he was seen as the favorite, the comments from people that I could read, it was as if most people looked at He's like a fighter who uses dirty methods to win the fight, he had a lower body posture, so he was in a position where he could easily headbutt his opponent, but I don't believe he did that out of malicious intent, it's probably a his fighting strategy. but this didn't go down very well with his image from now on, with this poor performance it will be difficult to attract the attention of other good fighters to fight against him

I had already commented on this elsewhere, that currently boxing is accompanied by marketing, when people create high expectations about a fighter and that fighter's fight draws a lot of attention and during the fight the guy doesn't perform well to the point of not meeting people's high expectations, then that fighter loses attention from people and other fighters. he will need to train a lot and try to fight against a very strong boxer and when he wins convincingly then he will attract the attention of other strong boxers