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August 28, 2023, 08:28:13 AM
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I have seen a few pieces of content online that are saying Stake, Fortune Jack, Casino Gap and few others are VPN-friendly.

Are users on here agreeing on these few mentioned online casino? I am asking this because I believe those who still use VPN on these casinos are not safe.

Because using a VPN is not openly acceptable by these online casinos, there is no where it's written on their website, I know readers might feel like, why would they wrote such on their website when the law isn't permitting such?

Well, what will stop them from using this against you too as a gambler? Bypassing restrictions is not the problem, but it was never allowed officially, meaning you should accept whatever will be thrown in your face.

What do you think?

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August 28, 2023, 09:14:41 AM
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Well, what will stop them from using this against you too as a gambler? Bypassing restrictions is not the problem, but it was never allowed officially, meaning you should accept whatever will be thrown in your face.

What do you think?

What I think is that if a casino has verified an account which they know is using encrypted connection like virtual private network (VPN) on their website then they should not go back to pretend they didn't know about it. If the have done verification to see the user is not laundering money or doing some sort illegally but only trying to evade IP ban from his home country then it should not be a problem for the casino, after all they might have allowed such window for that kind of purpose.


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August 28, 2023, 09:19:10 AM
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^Why you are using VPNs if a casino is allowed in your country? Or you can freely open the website.
I currently making an account on Stake.com and I read the TOS which is you are right about, there is no state there regarding VPN but I think if you are in the US you can use VPN based on many articles that I have read.
I asked the Stake.com team regarding this and this is what I have got, they strongly discourage using VPNs.

Reading TOS is much better before using the casino.
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August 28, 2023, 09:29:07 AM
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What I think is that if a casino has verified an account which they know is using encrypted connection like virtual private network (VPN) on their website then they should not go back to pretend they didn't know about it. If the have done verification to see the user is not laundering money or doing some sort illegal but only trying to evade the IP ban from his home country then it should not be a problem for the casino, After all, They might have allowed such a window for that kind of purpose.


Casinos are only interested in the activities of the players to see if they violate or manipulate any of their systems to take advantage and one of the major ways that the casino can be abused is through their bonuses system where abusers create multiple accounts just to claim the bonus,  that is why any attempt to use a different IP or trying to access some casinos using VPN may be seen as illegal on some casinos.

Note also if an account is already verified,  the player then does not have any problem as long as the gambler operates within the stipulated laws and abides by them and if there is any reason such player uses a VPN the casino may overlook that.
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August 28, 2023, 09:34:46 AM
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What do you think?

I ask the customer support about the use of a VPN even though the player was not in the restricted area. The customer support played it safe by referring to the clause that stated that the use of VPN to circumvent the region restriction is not allowed but I never got a yes as an answer if the player is not in the restricted area.

So I think it is better to be safe and avoid using VPN in order for us to not get any problems in the future.  

^Why you are using VPNs if a casino is allowed in your country? Or you can freely open the website.
I currently making an account on Stake.com and I read the TOS which is you are right about, there is no state there regarding VPN but I think if you are in the US you can use VPN based on many articles that I have read.
I asked the Stake.com team regarding this and this is what I have got, they strongly discourage using VPNs.

Reading TOS is much better before using the casino.

There are game providers that block a country even though the player is not in a restricted region.  That is the reason for some players why they use VPN. But as for me, I won't dare to use a VPN just to access a certain game provider.  It is better to be safe than sorry.
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August 28, 2023, 09:37:34 AM
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I have seen a few pieces of content online that are saying Stake, Fortune Jack, Casino Gap and few others are VPN-friendly.
Reading a TOS is much better than listening to what people are saying because you might end up getting the wrong information. Your actions in a casino should be based on the TOS of the casino you're playing and never on people's opinions about the casino.

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Are users on here agreeing on these few mentioned online casino? I am asking this because I believe those who still use VPN on these casinos are not safe.
It is better to ask support about the use of a VPN if you can't find the use of VPN on their TOS so you will be guided accordingly.

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Because using a VPN is not openly acceptable by these online casinos, there is no where it's written on their website, I know readers might feel like, why would they wrote such on their website when the law isn't permitting such?
VPN is IP manipulation and it is always associated with cheating casino bonuses so you must have a compelling and reasonable answer to use VPN if you are caught using VPN

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August 28, 2023, 09:49:38 AM
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I have seen a few pieces of content online that are saying Stake, Fortune Jack, Casino Gap and few others are VPN-friendly.

Are users on here agreeing on these few mentioned online casino? I am asking this because I believe those who still use VPN on these casinos are not safe.

Because using a VPN is not openly acceptable by these online casinos, there is no where it's written on their website, I know readers might feel like, why would they wrote such on their website when the law isn't permitting such?

Well, what will stop them from using this against you too as a gambler? Bypassing restrictions is not the problem, but it was never allowed officially, meaning you should accept whatever will be thrown in your face.

What do you think?
Much better to read their TOS or ask them directly if they're allowing that. Having that clarification will give you the idea if that's really allowed or not.

And when they does then those influencers are right. If not, then that means that you just saved yourself from obtaining misinformation and you're able to clear it before you even does.

Some of them aren't really allowing it but I know that there are those that allows it, it's just all about checking it actually from those casinos per se.

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August 28, 2023, 09:49:46 AM
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I have seen a few pieces of content online that are saying Stake, Fortune Jack, Casino Gap and few others are VPN-friendly.

Are users on here agreeing on these few mentioned online casino?

This is not a statement enough to prove that their platform totally support for the use of VPN, they cannot sat at the fence, it's either they accept the use of VPN or they kicked against it completely, this will now depends on the statement on their ToS which would have clearly mentioned that they accept or doesn't accept the use of VPN, the question we should then also be desperate in asking is the reason why a user must make use of a VPN if not to byepass a sanction on their ip address, if a casino support your ip why the use of VPN, if they don't then why not make another attempts on many other available ones.

I am asking this because I believe those who still use VPN on these casinos are not safe.A

If you're using VPN then know that it's at your own risk, ones you're caught be ready to dance to the tune of the music you play.

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August 28, 2023, 09:53:55 AM
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I have seen a few pieces of content online that are saying Stake, Fortune Jack, Casino Gap and few others are VPN-friendly.

Are users on here agreeing on these few mentioned online casino? I am asking this because I believe those who still use VPN on these casinos are not safe.

Because using a VPN is not openly acceptable by these online casinos, there is no where it's written on their website, I know readers might feel like, why would they wrote such on their website when the law isn't permitting such?

Well, what will stop them from using this against you too as a gambler? Bypassing restrictions is not the problem, but it was never allowed officially, meaning you should accept whatever will be thrown in your face.

What do you think?

I think that Stake has alternative links which you can access without a VPN as far as I know and even when I used to play at bet365 when in my country was restricted from ISP-s here,I could access them without a VPN so most likely beside Stake also other casinos most probably should have alternative links.

I would only use a VPN in the extreme case where I have no other means at all to access the website and accessing only a couple of times I doubt there is any problem with the casinos,as long as you have 2FA enabled that makes it even less suspicious as 2FA with Google Authenticator app and not with SMS is absolutely impossible to be bypassed.

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August 28, 2023, 10:10:35 AM
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I have seen a few pieces of content online that are saying Stake, Fortune Jack, Casino Gap and few others are VPN-friendly.

Are users on here agreeing on these few mentioned online casino? I am asking this because I believe those who still use VPN on these casinos are not safe.

Because using a VPN is not openly acceptable by these online casinos, there is no where it's written on their website, I know readers might feel like, why would they wrote such on their website when the law isn't permitting such?

Well, what will stop them from using this against you too as a gambler? Bypassing restrictions is not the problem, but it was never allowed officially, meaning you should accept whatever will be thrown in your face.

What do you think?

You really need to read the terms and understand how each casino handles VPN usage, because some will ban it outright. Others may allow it but will definitely expect KYC verification and always tend to limit you to one account only, because they don't want bonus abuse to take place. However VPN usage can sometimes go undetected, alternatively it might be a red flag against your account that will cause the casino to undertake further investigations against you - if they can determine you are a user of this service. Generally there are very few scenarios where an average user would be using a VPN middleman service on their connect, unless they are trying to get around certain restrictions like geographic location.

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August 28, 2023, 11:05:34 AM
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The majority of casinos do not allow the use of VPN based on the terms that they put in there for their users to be aware of, but if it is not there we should not assume that the casinos allow it, We need to ask for support first and keep a record of the conversation and always check the TOS if they change their TOS regarding the use of VPN, if it's possible not to use VPN then do so, so you can protect your account in case there is an investigation about your account.

Casinos always limit disabled accounts that violate their terms so while you're playing in a casino, it is important that you keep the TOS in your mind.

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If I really needed to use VPN for a casino or any service online which involves money or finances I would try to first know in what country they are based and then do my own research whether if the authorities of that country actually enforce the prohibition of VPNs in the companies they are supposed to regulate.

Since we are talking about our data, money and security credentials, I would not risk using a VPN solely based on the behavior of the platform or the opinion/ experiences or other users/ gamblers. If this situation with Russia and the sanctions have taught me about, is that casinos can treat a costumer according to where they are connecting from.

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August 28, 2023, 11:14:33 AM
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I have seen a few pieces of content online that are saying Stake, Fortune Jack, Casino Gap and few others are VPN-friendly.

Are users on here agreeing on these few mentioned online casino? I am asking this because I believe those who still use VPN on these casinos are not safe.

Because using a VPN is not openly acceptable by these online casinos, there is no where it's written on their website, I know readers might feel like, why would they wrote such on their website when the law isn't permitting such?

Well, what will stop them from using this against you too as a gambler? Bypassing restrictions is not the problem, but it was never allowed officially, meaning you should accept whatever will be thrown in your face.

What do you think?

Much better to play safe and stay away using VPN since we don't know on when we might encounter a problem by using it so much better that we are sure to what we are doing while playing on those casino.

If you know your country has been restricted to access on casino then you should know that you are not allowed to play so don't think about using that since I think its not about the usage but the restriction due to the law set by certain countries which for us needed to follow.

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I have seen a few pieces of content online that are saying Stake, Fortune Jack, Casino Gap and few others are VPN-friendly.

Are users on here agreeing on these few mentioned online casino? I am asking this because I believe those who still use VPN on these casinos are not safe.

Because using a VPN is not openly acceptable by these online casinos, there is no where it's written on their website, I know readers might feel like, why would they wrote such on their website when the law isn't permitting such?

The use VPN is already discussed many times on different casino ANN thread. Casino doesn’t specifically restrict users on using VPN. Only those bypassing their country restrictions through the use of VPN is what is not allowed and not the use of VPN itself for regular use alone. Casino has a license which includes a set a of country being restricted to play due to legal concern.

If you are not from restricted country then using VPN is not your problem. I’m using for a long time in all casino that I play. I never encounter this issue. Just make sure to avoid using VPN that use IP sharing because you might be connected to bunch of account that violate the casino ToS because your account will suffer same punishment.


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August 28, 2023, 11:25:01 AM
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Every business, from online casinos to multibillion-dollar empires, has its own implicit rules and strategies. Although these casinos may not explicitly state their position on VPNs, this does not necessarily entail approval. Why in the world would they exhibit something that is inherently illegal in many jurisdictions?

Now, let's discuss Stake. It is amazing, perhaps the best ; no, it is unquestionably the best. However, even though the grandeur and allure of gambling entice us, there is no reason not to be knowledgeable about it. Utilize a VPN? It is quite dangerous. If they choose to use it against you, you have no escape route

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August 28, 2023, 11:38:34 AM
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I guess you don't understand the reason why VPN is used by a casino users. Let me explain you the reason in simple language. Most countries have either banned online gambling or prohibit users to gamble on online casinos based overseas. In such situation a user from that country would use a VPN, without it they won't be able to access a casino website or hide themselves from the government.

Those casinos that you have named will ask their user to pass KYC. After they pass KYC only then they would be allowed to withdraw their win. Through the KYC verification they know the customer and in the event of illegal activities they would be provide the details to the concerned authorities.
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I have seen a few pieces of content online that are saying Stake, Fortune Jack, Casino Gap and few others are VPN-friendly.

Are users on here agreeing on these few mentioned online casino? I am asking this because I believe those who still use VPN on these casinos are not safe.

Because using a VPN is not openly acceptable by these online casinos, there is no where it's written on their website, I know readers might feel like, why would they wrote such on their website when the law isn't permitting such?

Well, what will stop them from using this against you too as a gambler? Bypassing restrictions is not the problem, but it was never allowed officially, meaning you should accept whatever will be thrown in your face.

What do you think?

I think as long as KYC is completed and both parties agree that the user will use a VPN, it should be allowed, but as a rule of thumb, VPNs are very suspicious, especially if the user has not completed the KYC process. Should the user be gambling from a country which is not allowed by the terms and conditions of the mentioned casino, then obviously the casino owners would get into legal trouble for letting him play and withdraw on their platform. They have government regulations that they have to follow, after all. So when they see someone logging in with a different IP each time, it raises an eyebrow. Furthermore, it could trigger a false positive should the VPN IP come from a restricted country. Its a lot of confusion and trouble which can be avoided.

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August 28, 2023, 03:06:10 PM
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I guess you don't understand the reason why VPN is used by a casino users. Let me explain you the reason in simple language. Most countries have either banned online gambling or prohibit users to gamble on online casinos based overseas. In such situation a user from that country would use a VPN, without it they won't be able to access a casino website or hide themselves from the government.

Those casinos that you have named will ask their user to pass KYC. After they pass KYC only then they would be allowed to withdraw their win. Through the KYC verification they know the customer and in the event of illegal activities they would be provide the details to the concerned authorities.

I understand the concept of using a VPN for accessing online casinos, but it's important to note that the legality and ethical implications of such actions can vary based on local regulations. While using a VPN might allow users to bypass restrictions, it's not a foolproof method and can still raise concerns about compliance with both casino policies and legal standards. Additionally, KYC procedures are indeed implemented by many reputable casinos to ensure responsible and legal gambling practices. However, it's essential for users to be aware of the potential risks and consequences associated with using VPNs in this context.

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August 28, 2023, 03:23:59 PM
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Restrictions on the use of VPNs come primarily not from casinos, but from local authorities. I have a paid VPN and from some servers I can enter the casinos in which I am registered, and from some not. This is incredibly annoying, especially in my conditions when the state introduces total censorship and tries to ban all VPNs. The good thing is that big casinos always have a long list of mirrors that help to get around the restrictions.

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August 28, 2023, 04:02:23 PM
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Everything will start from checking the rules carried out by users so they know what is allowed and what is not allowed. If they want to use a VPN but the rules don't say anything about VPN, they can directly ask the support service and I'm sure they will give you the answers you need right away. Some casinos don't clearly write it down on their site, so we have to ask the support service. But some casinos only need your connection to the casino for the first time so that the casino can record your computer number or your IP or Mac Address or whatever (I don't know about this because I'm not too clear on this either).

If it is about crossing the line, maybe if you are from a country where gambling is not allowed, you should stay away from the casinos and never visit them, even though you can use a VPN. If your country allows gambling but the casino prohibits people from your country from gambling in the casino, you should not gamble in the casino even if you are using a VPN. You can get many things from asking the support service. Don't be shy to ask because they will answer it.

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