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August 29, 2023, 09:05:54 PM
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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

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August 29, 2023, 09:17:04 PM
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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.
Most altcoins are not decentralized. If you are looking for a decentralized coin, go for bitcoin. Altcoins have less marketcap. The less the market cap the higher the possibility of market manipulation of the altcoin.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?
The price of fiat are controlled by the government and the central bank.

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?
For altcoins, people that have huge amount of the coins or token. If 5 whales of a coin has 20% of a coin, they can together easily manipulate the coin price.

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August 29, 2023, 09:31:14 PM
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So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?


In business, economy or money, manipulation is part of it. Manipulation is like the oil in the business I believe, because sometimes the market can only move with manipulation. It causes a spontaneous and unplanned decision either to invest hugely or to run out with your investment but whichever it goes the manipulator would have benefited. Like in cryptocurrency, someone can shake the market by dumping or buying hugely and cause panic. Sometimes when government print currency, that could be for some artificial purpose for a greater goin to the manipulator.

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

An individual, institution or government. The government can purchase in large quantity some stock they want to appreciate and that will cause people to start investing in it.

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August 29, 2023, 09:40:06 PM
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I think it is an idea that answers itself as we grow and become educated as individuals, both academically and in life training, that is, market manipulation exists and unfortunately it seems that it will always be like that.

Now, to the specific idea of what kind of people do it,  it has to do with governments, companies basically and from there some names stand out, but in general it is something known as the establishment.

In the crypto world there is everything now, from that old school and a group of individuals who present various forms of manipulation, sometimes with a simple "x". ( tweet, e.g. )

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August 29, 2023, 09:48:15 PM
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Manipulation is of course everywhere. All you have to do is look at banks being fined for this activity to know it’s a common occurrence. I think this sort of market manipulation is probably present in every aspect of pricing in society. It’s what people do when it comes to money and especially in finance, is not surprising.

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August 29, 2023, 09:51:34 PM
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What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?
When it comes to centralized systems, then you can talk about market manipulations. This is very common with the government in handling fiat. They instill in the systems the conditions they need functional by simply pumping in more fiat currencies or reducing the amount in circulation. It’s a manipulation done by affecting the lack or availability of a commodity.

It’s almost the same thing when it comes to cryptocurrencies that are centralized but this ain’t the case with bitcoin. Bitcoin is decentralized and as such, no one holds that much power to create these conditions but then, institutions with large hodlings could mimic what is obtainable in centralized systems by flooding the market with more coins but it always ain’t enough until the masses join in.

Soon, you would find the coin recovering. It’s just how it works.

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I think it is an idea that answers itself as we grow and become educated as individuals, both academically and in life training, that is, market manipulation exists and unfortunately it seems that it will always be like that.

Now, to the specific idea of what kind of people do it,  it has to do with governments, companies basically and from there some names stand out, but in general it is something known as the establishment.

In the crypto world there is everything now, from that old school and a group of individuals who present various forms of manipulation, sometimes with a simple "x". ( tweet, e.g. )

And they can do such manipulation if the market is small, they only need to inject small amount of money to make waves.
This type of action is everywhere, where a certain group or individuals is seeing they can take advantage of the situation.
I guess, it stemmed from the human nature, of being greedy. They will jump as soon as they see window of opportunity.
And we have seen a lot in alts with small trading volume. If they will put thousands of dollars, they can easily make it look like they gained 100-1000% of the price. But people should be very cautious on this type of movement as they can get screwed fast.
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August 29, 2023, 10:06:57 PM
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So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?
As long as there is benefit from something, there will certainly be beneficiaries. Mostly, market manipulation is done by whales who are able to benefit from the slightest changes, especially in the example of the dollar that you referred to.
Of course, even if the manipulation is carried out by a few individuals, this does not mean that the beneficiaries from it are also few, because there are those who will benefit from the changes in the market without having the authority to decide.
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So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated?
Of course it is... Human beings are constantly trying to manipulate other people, environments and systems in order to have additional benefits and advantages which aren't disponible for the largest portion of society. That is why corruption is spread everywhere and there aren't perfect inviolable systems to fully prevent such attempts happening with success. Even inside top tier countries and religious communities we see manipulation going on.

Sometimes it's not about money, but power and influence: vanity, one of the seven deadly sins.

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August 29, 2023, 10:32:37 PM
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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

Even though the network of cryptocurrency is decentralized, its market is governed by the supply and demand.  There is also these sentiments to consider which can be played by people with higher influence and bigger stash of both the fiat currency fund and cryptocurrency.  The blockchain network is different from a marketplace so being decentralized cannot make a cryptocurrency exempted from manipulation

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

As long as there is human emotion included, it can be manipulated.  We have seen it on Bitcoin market on how news affect the Bitcoin market.

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

As I stated, those people with authority, influence, and money can easily manipulate the market.

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August 29, 2023, 10:53:59 PM
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In the complex financial framework, the interaction between various actors and economic forces gives rise to a dynamic in which manipulation is very possible... Although the concept of decentralization in cryptocurrencies suggests resistance to manipulation, the reality is more nuanced, since the concentration of resources in the hands of wealthy agents can influence prices, since in an emerging market like this, some significant operations they can have a disproportionate impact, and considering that many cryptocurrencies are not decentralized and have little value, it makes the task of manipulation even easier

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?


the type of people with the ability to manipulate the market is usually those who have considerable financial resources and deep knowledge about the markets...What is known as "Whales" These could be from institutional investors, investment funds, high-risk operators often even people with significant connections in financial circles..
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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?
Neither a set of individual or a single entity but we wont really be that blind on not to see those things considering that when it comes to financial capacity then everyone could really make out that huge impact towards market price when it comes to movement and its not something new anymore where this had become the standard when it comes to these kind of manipulation acts. Always those people who do have
that financial capacity would be always having that power and the advantage on moving or influencing things even if we do say that this crypto space isnt something that could be easily be manipulated
but it seems now on these years on which it is really that heading on the way where markets could really be easily be influenced or could easily be that manipulate.

This is why whether you are getting involved with stock market or forex, or crypto then dont get surprised that these kind of behavior would really be that existing or something that could be able to see.
You wont really be that able to avoid up these things since those people or institutions who do have that capacity will definitely be doing something at their advantage or something on their liking.

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as new currency, bitcoin is not yet spread evenly, this make people who have big capital will greatly influence bitcoin price if they buy bitcoin. I think price manipulation can be done through many ways, it is not only by buy or sell activity, but it also can be done by create some sentiments, regulation, and etc. but when bitcoin is mostly used by merchants and bitcoin is spread evenly then it will be harder to influence bitcoin price, the volatility will decrease.

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I don't see the manipulation of assets with a certain volume and distribution by speculators as a very bad thing. Those who want to speculate on an asset with sufficient volume and distribution also take serious risks and are not always successful. For example, if we accept that the price of Bitcoin is determined by a free market, we should also accept that all the players in that market are free. Someone who wants to influence the whole market can also implement a faulty strategy where they lose all their money. Besides, without speculators the market would be as static as a dead sea. They may be morally problematic people, but I think they bring fun to the market.

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As unfortunate as it is, yes manipulation is a common occurrence in the market and essentially everywhere. It is after all the best way to have a sense of control for businessmen when it comes to their consumers, as well as the demands and supply in the market. In connection, the market is controlled and there is no doubt that currencies are affected in some way.

Here is an article that shows the inside of market manipulation in relation to marketers and consumers: https://www.worldscientific.com/worldscibooks/10.1142/10839#t=aboutBook


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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.
In a business or trade, people who like to manipulate, are always there.
Especially as in the realm of crypto assets, stocks and other investment assets. Even though manipulating a market or investment assets, such as stocks, is strictly prohibited, because these actions can harm other investors. But still people who like to manipulate are always there. So you could say the act of manipulating is no longer strange. Likewise in the crypto market, often market manipulation is carried out by individuals or groups to achieve the goals they want (market prices). Maybe decentralized crypto like bitcoin can also be manipulated, but it will definitely be quite difficult, because we all know that bitcoin has a very large market capitalization, so to manipulate it will definitely be quite difficult and not like manipulating altcoins.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?
In my opinion, of course you can. Because currency can always be manipulated in value. But the way to manipulate it may be from an economic or political perspective. So basically the thing called manipulation always exists in almost every aspect.

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?
In the crypto market, usually people who like to manipulate the market are people who already have abundant wealth, that's the point. So people like that can easily make news and make market price movements in a cryptocurrency. And the point of it all, for the plan to work. So in conclusion, people who can manipulate the market are people who really have a lot of finances and are very experienced in the crypto field.

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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

Influential individuals, organisations and government have the ability to promote FUD and they can also promote FOMO. The actions of these actors can make people sell off or buy more cryptocurrencies. When the news is bad like a major hodler dumping his coins people will be moved to sell their investments because they are afraid that the price will drop further. Sometimes these market manipulators intend to make the price drop and buy back at a cheaper price. The government can also manipulate the market through unfavorable policies like bans, regulations, and restrictions.

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So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

Everything in this world can be manipulated to suit a section of the population or investors. The USD cannot be manipulated by an individual but the government from time to time manipulates the value of the dollars based on certain economic practices. There are times when the value of the Chinese Yuan was devalued to boost exports. The stock market can be manipulated by spreading false information and falsely inflating the trade, quote, or value of some stock.

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What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?
Major investors (whales), celebrities, government,

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Manipulation is of course everywhere. All you have to do is look at banks being fined for this activity to know it’s a common occurrence. I think this sort of market manipulation is probably present in every aspect of pricing in society. It’s what people do when it comes to money and especially in finance, is not surprising.
Market manipulation affects us more if we are trading but less affects us if we hold our bitcoins.

Price can have big changes on market in a day, a week or a month but after one year, Bitcoin has good price growth that can help us to gain profit. If we don't trade, you can avoid manipulation effects.

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Bitcoin's decentralization is never about its price, so whether huge amounts of Bitcoin are focused on a relatively few individuals or institutions Bitcoin doesn't cease to be decentralized. These individuals or institutions may be able to manipulate the price to a certain extent, but the network remains independent from such influence.

For as long as money is tied to the state and the banks, manipulation is unavoidable. The USD and its value are highly manipulated. The same goes to the stock market, the ForEx market, and the rest of the traditional financial market.

This is precisely the downside of Bitcoin adoption when it particularly means the old financial powers like BlackRock and company enter the game. They will create all kinds of financial instruments out of it which defeats its decentralization, P2P, independence, fixed supply, and so on.

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So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?
Yes, it could be, USD and other fiat are centered on the bank which can be controlled by 1 person who has power and money. Because of that situation, bitcoin was born and created to abolish fiat hegemony. As we remember in 2008 when the Global Finance Crisis happened the fiat currency didn't have value because was controlled on the one hand. for this incident, we should be aware happen again in the future if fiat is still controlled by them.

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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

I don't think any person or group can manipulate the bitcoin price. If that happens, it must be a big conspiracy involving many of the world's political elites. Just imagine, who has 540,000,000,000 in cash? That is the marketcap amount of bitcoin. If you want to set a bitcoin price, you probably need to own at least 30% of the bitcoin marketcap. It's not something that's easy my friends, to manage decentralized bitcoin prices. It's different with fiat, even though the market cap is also very large, but it's centralized, they can manipulate bank interest rates, it's easier
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What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

The kind of people with a lot of money or resources. I once spoke to a mega farmer and he explained to us how he and a group of his friends, manipulate the grain price. They will store grain in massive silos, until the price goes up and when the price is high enough... then he will take the grain to the market and sell at a premium price.  Roll Eyes

Also, take the Gold price..... there are Gold syndicates that are doing the same with the Gold price... just to keep the price stable and constantly increasing over time.

People with a lot of money (Fiat whales) are using the Stock markets as their playing field and they play with portfolio managers that are playing with investors money to manipulate markets.  Angry

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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

If it is very broad in scope. Of course, open only one item and what is certain is that all are interrelated with supply and demand. If you are worried about investing large amounts of capital into long-term positions that may face market manipulation, you can always choose to trade short-term and one more thing avoid pumps and dumps by creating your own strategy and not being lured in by claims that seem too good to become true thereby helping to protect profits and limit losses.

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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?
Market manipulation has become an open secret that we no longer need to question its existence. Regardless of who did it, no one knows for sure. But of course they must be people or organizations or institutions that have very large capital. Or in the sense that they have very broad powers. But market manipulation also does not always happen by certain people or institutions. Sometimes a person who is good at causing a stir in the news media and spreading strange news that makes people panic can also be called market manipulation. The point is market manipulation does exist. But we don't know for sure who and how they run it.

However, what we most often encounter today is market manipulation, which is always accompanied by positive or negative news appearing on the internet that creates market hype or otherwise frightens market players.
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While decentralization is a concept in cryptocurrencies, the influence of big players can't be ignored. The same goes for traditional markets; they're vulnerable to manipulation too. Those with significant resources and insider knowledge can impact prices and trends.
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The market never changes through a certain person. Maybe if a person or organization sells a lot of a certain coin in the market, the market immediately gets dumped a little, but later the market recovers to the extent of the dumping, so a certain person or organization never changes the entire market. The market changes a lot when there is good news or bad news about a particular coin in the market. A few days ago there was a sudden change in the Bitcoin market which led many to speculate that SpaceX had sold a significant amount of BTC causing the price of BTC to fall so low, but now that the market has returned to a positive state, we will explain in a short time. This is why the market changes so much.

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Manipulation is something that cannot be separated from the world of economics. Rich companies/individuals usually manipulate the market to achieve their goals, whether it is to increase their company's exposure, increase the value of a crypto, etc. Even the richest people in the world today often carry out acts of manipulation in order to increase their wealth or bring down their business opponents and this is normal in the economic world.

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August 30, 2023, 09:53:57 AM
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Yes for centralized coins because the team and creator are holding their premined coins, they can also add or decrease the supply anytime they want. Not to mention they can run away easily when they've make a lot money and they will create a new altcoin.

Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.
Yeah it's because of stupid people are relying on that centralized entity about their investment decision, when this entity buy Bitcoin, they will buy too and make the price increase, and vice versa.

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August 30, 2023, 10:07:17 AM
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The market never changes through a certain person. Maybe if a person or organization sells a lot of a certain coin in the market, the market immediately gets dumped a little, but later the market recovers to the extent of the dumping, so a certain person or organization never changes the entire market. The market changes a lot when there is good news or bad news about a particular coin in the market. A few days ago there was a sudden change in the Bitcoin market which led many to speculate that SpaceX had sold a significant amount of BTC causing the price of BTC to fall so low, but now that the market has returned to a positive state, we will explain in a short time. This is why the market changes so much.
While a single entity might, for a moment, cause a ripple in the market, it's absolutely naive to think they command the tides. Markets have their own minds. What you said about a temporary dip followed by recovery? It's always been this way, always!.The strength of a market isn't determined by an Elon Musk tweet or even a giant sale from SpaceX. No, no. It’s the collective force of the players in the game

Now, as for the recent Bitcoin upheaval... it's a textbook case! An old dance, but with new partners. The price went down; then it went up. It’s cyclical, folks. Sure, news influences the market, always has, but to say SpaceX or any one entity has the power to permanently affect it? That's giving them too much credit! It's all about the bigger picture, the grander scheme of things

If a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it, does it make a sound? If SpaceX sells some Bitcoin and the price temporarily dips, did it ever really matter in the long run? The market will always find its way, trust me. Always

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It is not completely manipulable in Bitcoin, but for altcoins, people can really manipulate it, but for Bitcoin, it is just that it can touch the price, like what happened when Elon sold his Bitcoin holdings and the price dropped, but again, it is not completely manipulable as that is really the cycle of the market. There are really big whales in Bitcoin that probably do the same, but again, they can't control the price. But in fiat, the government and banks can control it, which is almost the same with other stuff like foods, where they can increase the price of whatever they want.
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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

A single person couldn't have a huge impact to the market if he tried to manipulate it even he put a large amount it wouldn't even a big changes in the market. Most of them are in groups, institute like the government and the elite people that can have a lot of capital to invest or dump in the market, most likely it would affect the market that's why people follow them in their social media accounts or having a telegram for them to take advantage whenever they started to call a dump or invest. Just like Elon trying to hype meme coins and people were also taking advantage by just investing on them. In my opinion, everything that related to the money can be manipulated but not all of them can be control just like Bitcoin since its decentralized that's why it's good thing to invest at it.

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August 30, 2023, 11:04:39 AM
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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

Manipulation is a form of behavior that we define as using others for their own benefit. In other words, it is a behavior used wherever people are, whether in crypto or in the social environment.

Manipulating the economy is acting in a way that impresses other people in order to make more money. Many celebrities do this today. At the same time, manipulation is a difficult case to prove. People who defend themselves in lawsuits say that what they are doing is not manipulation, they are just telling their ideas to others because they think that they will gain profit. Because it is the individual's choice whether to follow these ideas or not, cases often end in favor of the manipulator.

I think everything in this world that has to do with money can be manipulated. The important thing here is who will manipulate it.
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I would not say it is about absolute control over securities, stocks and crypto-currencies, It is more about influence on the sentiment of the market. That is why sometimes you see some FOMO or FUD campaigns are created, because in order to successfully manipulate the market one does not only need to have a significant amount of money or the said asset but also change the way of thinking of those who are also big investors or even retailer investors, so your movements can be amplified by millions of people who are not aware of what it is going on.

Assuming a whale wanted to decrease the amount of Bitcoin, it would continent for them for invest some thousands in creating a FUD campaign, so when the selling times comes, the initial drop they could have caused gets multiplied by the idea already sown in the min of the regular Bitcoin speculator.

I think this indeed happens in all major markets around the planet.

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USD and other fiat money is definitely manipulated since it's controlled by the government and they need their currency to be in good value. Cryptocurrency, most of altcoins can be easily manipulated since they are mostly centralized, the central hold most of the coins and they can do anything they want with that. Bitcoin is decentralized so it's difficult to be manipulated, not impossible but the very difficult.

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August 30, 2023, 12:12:18 PM
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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

There are different forms in which the crypto market can be easily manipulated and most of the time, only Altcoins do this except for bitcoin, even the ones that you see with prefix of DEFi all around their names all do this habit of market manipulation and all depends on the distribution of the coins in supply and the total supply.

-When half of the circulating supply of a coin is in the hands of one or two people, it is always easy to do whatever they want, they can manipulate the coins with the little stablecoin in their possession, drag the price to what they want and then sell everything to exit the project completely, the few buyers will be forever waiting for other victims, they may get lucky or they will remain in that lost forever.

-When the team have both circulating supply and the rest of the supply and all under their care, they can do whatever they like, especially when they comes to a disagreement between them, they can offload the coin on the market which can plunge the price of the token.

To avoid this, avoid altcoins and buy only bitcoin or you can do your research to see how coins are distributed among people before you buy any of them, you can also check website analytics that gives updates on how tokens are been unlocked by different projects.

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Is market manipulation a common occurrence everywhere?

Manipulation is an integral part when it comes to finance and investing.  you don't need to worry or doubt, just try to put yourself in that position. If you had a lot of money and a lot of power, would you try to manipulate the market?  i bet there's none of us who wouldn't do it if given the chance, so let's face it, any financial market is subject to manipulation.  as for cryptocurrencies, I believe this is a manipulated market largely because it is so small, unregulated and a free market...It would be naive to think that it moves according to supply and demand.

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Market manipulation can happen in both stocks & cryptocurrencies but it's important to know that not all market activity is manipulative. While there have been instances of manipulation such as pump and dump schemes or spoofing they are rare & often illegal. Regulators & exchanges take measures to detect and prevent manipulation & increased transparency in the financial markets helps to minimise its impact. One of the reasons the SEC hates crypto is because of manipulation but then again Congress are one of the worst inside traders around in regular stocks & markets.

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesbusinesscouncil/2022/02/24/is-your-company-stock-being-manipulated-what-executives-should-look-for/?sh=54bfc3f52c77

On every occasion, there inevitably emerges individuals who exploit specific circumstances to generate greater financial gains. This essentially means that all markets, including stocks, bonds, and currency, can be manipulated by anyone wielding economic power or positional authority.

Esteemed top-tier exchangers, with their high repute, are also capable of crafting fictitious order books and altering candlestick movements, particularly within centralized systems they implement. Numerous practices involve diverting legal pathways through the influence of money, especially within developing nations. This implies that reshaping market trajectories through financial means is also plausible.

In my opinion, individuals possessing immense wealth wield the capacity to engage in virtually unrestricted actions. Moreover, those occupying pivotal roles within relevant business sectors also bear significant influence. A notable example would be the apex stock exchange. Furthermore, individuals of high standing, universally revered, can serve as triggers for market manipulation.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesbusinesscouncil/2022/02/24/is-your-company-stock-being-manipulated-what-executives-should-look-for/?sh=54bfc3f52c77

On every occasion, there inevitably emerges individuals who exploit specific circumstances to generate greater financial gains. This essentially means that all markets, including stocks, bonds, and currency, can be manipulated by anyone wielding economic power or positional authority.

Esteemed top-tier exchangers, with their high repute, are also capable of crafting fictitious order books and altering candlestick movements, particularly within centralized systems they implement. Numerous practices involve diverting legal pathways through the influence of money, especially within developing nations. This implies that reshaping market trajectories through financial means is also plausible.

In my opinion, individuals possessing immense wealth wield the capacity to engage in virtually unrestricted actions. Moreover, those occupying pivotal roles within relevant business sectors also bear significant influence. A notable example would be the apex stock exchange. Furthermore, individuals of high standing, universally revered, can serve as triggers for market manipulation.
It cannot be denied that markets can be manipulated by those who have strong enough financial power, but this is not a common occurrence because most markets have rules, regulations and supervisory institutions that work to prevent and overcome manipulative activities in order to maintain market efficiency by respective state authorities for the stock market.
Acts of manipulation are illegal acts that harm many people, of course this will always be anticipated even though there are still some bad actors who succeed in doing it.
So the point is don't influence and look bad at these things because in my opinion being manipulated is not a common thing to happen.



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So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

The whales are the types of individuals that have the amount of money to manipulate the market, sometimes they carryout this act independently  while other times the combined their forces together to pump or dump the price of different cryptocurency projects and whenever they do that affect the market gets a reaction from day traders and the market continue dumping or pumping depending on what was the action of the whales.

When it comes to trading, everything can be manipulated and this includes Bitcoin because the more the coins are saturated with some elite groups of members the higher their chances of manipulating the market but their manipulation doesn't last very long in the market.

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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.
When the power you rely on is money, something you want to control can be successful as long as it can influence more people to do the same thing at one time. This means that controlling the value of a currency or the price of a particular currency in the market will only be successful if there is a group of people with more money power who are willing to move to do the same thing so that the price or value of money changes in a matter of days. So this kind of thing can indeed be done successfully by certain entities.

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So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?
For the example you gave, it might be possible to manipulate it, but until now I don't think that anything related to money can be manipulated. An example is the collector of antiques or goods with very limited production in this world, because when antiques or goods with a limited number of units are collected by one person, this can trigger the owner of the item to make the price more expensive, even though he can also make the price cheaper when he no longer likes the item. So not everything related to money can be easily manipulated by certain entities.
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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

It's too generic a question really, market manipulation can happen at the level of central banks or it can happen at the level of somebody who creates themselves a pump'n'dump altcoin, plus a wide range beyond that. Market manipulation can happen in every industry and at all scales within that industry. It often happens when there is a monopoly or duopoly of some kind, which is why regulators often try to break them and avoid situations where they occur. Something at the level of a currency, at least of the most popular in the world - the US dollar, is way harder to manipulate than any of the other currencies out there and is unlikely to be targeted by individuals. However countries like China are in a constant tug of war trying to devalue their own currency to benefit.

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August 30, 2023, 09:51:31 PM
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Essentially, if there is no manipulator in a particular market, that market becomes sluggish and boring.There are a lot of markets now - and it takes a strong movement in a particular market to draw attention to it. Yes, manipulators are evil, but they are often a necessary evil.
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August 30, 2023, 10:53:07 PM
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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

It's too generic a question really, market manipulation can happen at the level of central banks or it can happen at the level of somebody who creates themselves a pump'n'dump altcoin, plus a wide range beyond that. Market manipulation can happen in every industry and at all scales within that industry. It often happens when there is a monopoly or duopoly of some kind, which is why regulators often try to break them and avoid situations where they occur. Something at the level of a currency, at least of the most popular in the world - the US dollar, is way harder to manipulate than any of the other currencies out there and is unlikely to be targeted by individuals. However countries like China are in a constant tug of war trying to devalue their own currency to benefit.
Generic indeed and something that could really be known with having make use of your own common sense in regarding about markets which it is really that prone to manipulation. It doesnt only affect out those

traditional markets like forex,stocks and indices but also including crypto market as well. The only thing that differs is that due to decentralized aspect and equally distribution when it comes to supply and everything
then we could say that it wont really be that easily be manipulated.It is really just that whenever crashes happen this is where it to pertains the most about having that emotional aspect on which it is really that something that you would really be able to tell that his market is really heavily be influenced by emotions.

This is why it would really be ideal that you shouldn't really be just focusing on technical analysis but also with technical ones too on which not all the times that indicators would really be that relevant.
It could really be affected with some news that circles around the market. If you arent that careful then it would really be messing up your entire analysis.

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August 30, 2023, 11:10:40 PM
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What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

Individuals who wield a lot of influence, unions and just about anyone in a position of power and authority. A lot of manipulation of the market occurs when people get greedy in order to make a lot of profits. While it may not exactly be that much of a common occurrence as it’s viewed as being unethical and illegal, it happens and would probably continue to happen.
I think the market as well as a whole lot of other things are open to manipulation from people who are influential as well as others who stand to profit. That’s why despite the policies put forward to curb this practice, it still happens.
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market manipulation is very rampant so it does indeed a common occurrence that happened quite literally everywhere whether it's forex, stock market, cryptocurrencies, heck even gold also got some manipulation and all the precious metals.
you just expected such thing to occur since those whales with millions if not billions in their wallet will definitely try to take effort into growing their capital by simply taking advantage of their own capital and then start from there.
its even more rampant with newer emerging altcoins including shitcoin and meme coins where if you wonder about it, where did these shitcoin got their liquidity exactly, the answer is from these manipulators that infested the market.
this is the reason shitcoin market is highly speculative sometime rugpull isn't something that gonna shock anyone, everyone already expected that some of the coins will do rugpull since there's just simply so much manipulation happening behind
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August 31, 2023, 08:54:58 PM
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What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

Individuals who wield a lot of influence, unions and just about anyone in a position of power and authority. A lot of manipulation of the market occurs when people get greedy in order to make a lot of profits. While it may not exactly be that much of a common occurrence as it’s viewed as being unethical and illegal, it happens and would probably continue to happen.
I think the market as well as a whole lot of other things are open to manipulation from people who are influential as well as others who stand to profit. That’s why despite the policies put forward to curb this practice, it still happens.


Authority holders can easily perform the manipulation. If there are not enough laws and there are people who are hungry for money, there will always be manipulation. The most effective way to prevent this is through laws but lawmakers can break their own laws by taking bribes by manipulators. States are the most important preventers of manipulation. With strict control, this can be prevented and the theft of innocent people's money can be prevented. However, greed for money takes precedence over everything else. Big fish are provided with easy bait with manipulation.

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Manipulation of crypto asset prices and trading volumes most likely exists - but I want to know one thing, is it not against the rules of a service?

This manipulation will create injustice for market players - that's can harm other people regardless of the fluctuating nature of crypto assets. I would like to hear whether centralized services can actually prevent markets from being truly efficient for all traders and they are able to guarantee that there is no manipulation carried out by a certain group of people?

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Yes of course, literally anything that can be manipulated is manipulated, at least to some extent.  The crazy thing is "back in the day" when the stock market wasn't as robust as it is now, market makers use to be able to move stocks easily with just a simple /somewhat non-sizable trade.  Today most stocks are also owned in funds (mutual funds/ETFs/dark pools/hedge funds etc) so manipulation is a bit more difficult, but it's still happens.

Bitcoin is no different, big time heavy hitters can and do manipulate bitcoins price..though it's hopefully only getting harder and harder to do as more bitcoin is mined and more buyers spread the wealth.

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Yes of course, literally anything that can be manipulated is manipulated, at least to some extent.  The crazy thing is "back in the day" when the stock market wasn't as robust as it is now, market makers use to be able to move stocks easily with just a simple /somewhat non-sizable trade.  Today most stocks are also owned in funds (mutual funds/ETFs/dark pools/hedge funds etc) so manipulation is a bit more difficult, but it's still happens.

Bitcoin is no different, big time heavy hitters can and do manipulate bitcoins price..though it's hopefully only getting harder and harder to do as more bitcoin is mined and more buyers spread the wealth.

I agree, there is always manipulation with anything that can be manipulated. In market manipulation, there are two techniques that people use to apply this. The first one is called Pump and Dump wherein the price of security artificially is infiltrated and then the manipulator sells out which causes followers to only be left with overvalued security, this technique is mostly used on stocks with micro-market capitalization. The other technique is called Poop and Scoop where the price of a stock is artificially deflated then the manipulator will buy the undervalued shares which causes them to have profit. As for currency, there is also what we call Currency Manipulation, which I'm sure some of us are already familiar with. It is manipulation that is not considered illegal but is heavily frowned upon. It is a manipulation controlled or executed by authorities like the Central Bank. Trading partners may also choose to apply sanctions on currency manipulation by deflating or inflating the value of their own currency under the floating exchange rate system.

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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?
If you are talking about altcoins, know that they are mostly centralized so any group or entity can easily manipulate its price or value. Unlike bitcoin, it's completely decentralized so even the government has nothing to do with its current value or price. Just like no one can access bitcoin except the owner itself. However, in a centralized system, market manipulation is always present. Whatever the government wants, the government gets. Even private businesses can still be manipulated through its governed laws wherein business owners are obliged to follow.

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September 01, 2023, 08:08:44 AM
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Essentially, if there is no manipulator in a particular market, that market becomes sluggish and boring.There are a lot of markets now - and it takes a strong movement in a particular market to draw attention to it. Yes, manipulators are evil, but they are often a necessary evil.

You're making sense and which is why the cryptocurency market has been getting attention recently because of the manipulation of the price is getting the attention of millionaires that would love to exercise their strength in the market and that's also why whenever they make a purchase, they keep announcing it so it'll make others to follow them to make purchase but they sell slightly without alerting the market just as Tesla did few weeks back without we knowing until the market dip.

Manipulation might be positive to the market as it brings lots of attention to the market but don't you think too much of it is bad for the reputation of the market. When individual begin to noticed too much manipulation, they can't trust the market and will stay away from it.

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September 01, 2023, 08:51:06 AM
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So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?
As long as the currency system can still be controlled by authorities who have influence over every policy that is made, then opportunities for manipulation can still be carried out.

USD and other fiat currencies can be controlled by the government.
For altcoins, large amounts of coins or token owners can be manipulated.

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?
'ruler' who has influence on every policy.
Owner of large capital.


Let's move on to bitcoin as a currency with a good hedge.

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September 01, 2023, 08:59:03 AM
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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?


First of all, price of true Cryptocurrency like Bitcoin can't be manipulated or dishonestly controlled by anyone. The power to do so was taken away from those who could in the past. The current price movements of the market are true reflection of natural market forces. Meaning, only things that naturally contribute to price movements will effect the price. Not some forces somewhere selling thousands of coins just to push the price downward whereas the economic/market force, sentiment or general feeling is bullish.
By the way, you don't need to have loads of money to contribute to price increase or decrease. Just one positive/truthful word or two, or some useful/good organic contributions are enough to move price up. An opposing force can't succeed in moving price downward if its words or contribution are just false, manipulative or inorganic.


Same applies to the fiat system, but unlike Bitcoin the market forces of fiats are based on the world's system or centralized fundamentals which could be considered manipulative. For example, dollars regulators printing more dollars to purposely weaken it abit. This is allowed by their laws...and we sometimes overlook it.


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September 01, 2023, 09:13:58 AM
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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?
If you are talking about altcoins, know that they are mostly centralized so any group or entity can easily manipulate its price or value. Unlike bitcoin, it's completely decentralized so even the government has nothing to do with its current value or price. Just like no one can access bitcoin except the owner itself. However, in a centralized system, market manipulation is always present. Whatever the government wants, the government gets. Even private businesses can still be manipulated through its governed laws wherein business owners are obliged to follow.

Are you sure bitcoin is not being manipulated? Do you remember 1 or 2 weeks ago bitcoin was suddenly dumped to $25,000 and then people spread rumors that it was Elon who sold his remaining bitcoins causing the market to drop? But later it was pointed out that he was not the cause and so far there is no reason for that decline. Isn't that Bitcoin price manipulation?
If you say that the bitcoin network cannot be manipulated then I completely agree. But saying bitcoin prices aren't susceptible to manipulation is as naive as I've heard. Not just bitcoin, there is no financial market that is not manipulated.

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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?
I just want to mention this, the crypto market is a place that represents economic goals, but it is still too small to see its fluctuations. Price manipulation is not a rare story as it can be found in almost all different markets, and of course people and organizations speculating in investment will naturally pay attention to this market. But I understand that if we want to escape control, this market must develop strongly.









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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?
If a cryptocurrency has a small market capitalization, its price can absolutely be manipulated by a few wealthy and influential individuals. If it's a big decentralized cryptocurrency like Bitcoin and perhaps like Ethereum, I don't believe its price can be manipulated or controlled. But there's also a difference between manipulating a price and trying controlling the price. When people talk about the price manipulation, they usually mean that something can be done to cause a sudden growth or drop. When the price is controlled, it's usually about trying to keep it steady, to minimize volatility.
Fiat currencies are controlled, but I wouldn't call it a price manipulation. If a strong fiat currency can be kept fairly stable, for instance, that in no way means that it's possible to make its value suddenly increase by 20%, for example. And sometimes things can go out of control, with a currency's value becoming very different from the target value of the authorities. Stable coins are controlled, but again, I wouldn't call it price manipulation. And hypothetically, they can also crash, get out of control.

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Manipulation is a winning strategy that these rich businessmen, politicians, and those who are in the government position. But why does this thing exist? It is because they believe that once you have the power to manipulate something like the market price, people's thinking, and in the crypto space. They are on top of others and seem to become respected by those on the low level of society.

We can't escape from the said manipulation because it was habitual already and the next, next generation will be even worse than today.

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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?
I just want to mention this, the crypto market is a place that represents economic goals, but it is still too small to see its fluctuations. Price manipulation is not a rare story as it can be found in almost all different markets, and of course people and organizations speculating in investment will naturally pay attention to this market. But I understand that if we want to escape control, this market must develop strongly.

We can get a hint once manipulation happen if we can see a lot of negative news spreading especially on famous crypto pages and news. They do that in purpose since manipulators want to play peoples emotion so we need to be watchful with those indicators so that we will not get fooled by them and  can do some counteraction about possible things they do and possible to earn on situation that might occur.

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USD and other fiat money is definitely manipulated since it's controlled by the government and they need their currency to be in good value. Cryptocurrency, most of altcoins can be easily manipulated since they are mostly centralized, the central hold most of the coins and they can do anything they want with that. Bitcoin is decentralized so it's difficult to be manipulated, not impossible but the very difficult.
I would say we shouldn't call that manipulation but more like that's the nature of it. I mean it's obvious that we are talking about the biggest currency in the world, you could go anywhere in the world and use USD aside from maybe China and Russia I would guess.

This is why it's obvious that we are going to end up with a result that would be a bit more like natural manipulation of it, and not like unexpected one. I am not saying that this would be a good thing, of course we wouldn't want it, but that's the part of it and we need to accept that it's just how it is. I get that some people may want to see some different sides of it but that's not going to happen, as long as USD exists, this is how the future of it will look like.

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September 01, 2023, 11:11:39 AM
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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?
I just want to mention this, the crypto market is a place that represents economic goals, but it is still too small to see its fluctuations. Price manipulation is not a rare story as it can be found in almost all different markets, and of course people and organizations speculating in investment will naturally pay attention to this market. But I understand that if we want to escape control, this market must develop strongly.
Wealthy individuals or strong influencerss withaveower can manipulate the price of cryptocurrencies. But we don't know who can do it and how much power they have in manipulating it. Obviously we can only guess without knowing for sure.

Even though the current crypto market has changed a lot from a few years ago, surely there are still those who can manipulate the market. And because now we are not only dealing with individuals but also everyone who is interested in crypto.

These few people may have a strong influence that can change the market. Moreover, if this is related to worldwide events, it can clearly influence where the market moves. But I do not know. I'm just speculating.

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September 01, 2023, 11:32:59 AM
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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

I believe any powerful countries can manipulate the market anytime they want, since regulators can't prove if the market is being manipulated or not, that's why it can happen anytime, and anywhere around the globe.

For example, country A wants to manipulate the market for country B's economy will stop growing for a certain period of time because of inflation or deflation of their own currency or stocks. So, yes, market manipulation is very common everywhere. It's happening I believe in order for powerful people to gain control, profits, and power.
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September 01, 2023, 01:57:35 PM
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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?
Yes of course. The business gurus which is also known as the Capitalists manipulate all markets to suit their taste. The manipulation of market is not only in bitcoin but also in every economic activities. And yes the price of cryptocurrency can be manipulated those capitalist and in bitcoin blockchain we call them whales.

US economy is control by those business tycoon therefore the the value and the stock market too is control by them because if the market fall it will affect their daily income and their business. And the people that are manipulating the economic system have been mentioned but are those who are into serious business with the State.









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September 01, 2023, 05:46:00 PM
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I just want to mention this, the crypto market is a place that represents economic goals, but it is still too small to see its fluctuations. Price manipulation is not a rare story as it can be found in almost all different markets, and of course people and organizations speculating in investment will naturally pay attention to this market. But I understand that if we want to escape control, this market must develop strongly.
We can get a hint once manipulation happen if we can see a lot of negative news spreading especially on famous crypto pages and news. They do that in purpose since manipulators want to play peoples emotion so we need to be watchful with those indicators so that we will not get fooled by them and  can do some counteraction about possible things they do and possible to earn on situation that might occur.
I do agree that if you see a lot of bad news about bitcoin and the price falling, that is exactly the moment to buy bitcoin. A lot of people forget that bitcoin is something that will benefit you on the long run and if you are not careful then it is going to be a lot different. I know that it is going to be something that is different and difficult, there is no point in thinking that you would be able to see the manipulation before it happens, but you could definitely react after it happens.

Like I wouldn't know before they make all those bad news, if I knew it then I would have shorted bitcoin, but since I can't, at the very least ı could just buy when it goes down and then hold it until it goes back up again.

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What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?
The media has the ability to shape the opinions of the wider society, and its current omnipresence is the foremost influence leading to market manipulation. Society still places trust in media controlled by centralized entities, and no one can predict what narratives the major media outlets will craft tomorrow.

Furthermore, governments hold sway over the presence of news. This means that the collaboration between the government and the media represents the most effective concoction for generating false news. As long as the government wields control over the media, individuals within the government must be held accountable for the news and opinions disseminated.

The wealthy wield even greater power. Figures like Elon Musk, with a simple tweet encouraging Bitcoin purchases, can influence many to invest in Bitcoin, despite not undertaking any substantial actions.
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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?
Very common practice I am sure. It's not about the asset being centralized or decentralized. Infact assets that are centralized are more difficult to manipulate because you can easily come into radar. Decentralisation gives you the ability to remain untraced even after market manipulations. Ove I feel any market can be manipulated. It's more about the market makers, the exchanges and obviously the institutional investor which are primary participants in manipulating the market.
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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

I believe any powerful countries can manipulate the market anytime they want, since regulators can't prove if the market is being manipulated or not, that's why it can happen anytime, and anywhere around the globe.

For example, country A wants to manipulate the market for country B's economy will stop growing for a certain period of time because of inflation or deflation of their own currency or stocks. So, yes, market manipulation is very common everywhere. It's happening I believe in order for powerful people to gain control, profits, and power.
As long as this method is still effective for getting the maximum profit and can provide other benefits. I am sure that every country will try to manipulate the market, even though this method is a dirty method because it is part of fraud and is just a bad idea. However, all parties will try it.

However, I also believe that with existing technological advances, almost everyone can enjoy it. And also information can circulate and be conveyed as quickly as possible. This can encourage progress in thinking for everyone, so sooner or later the acts of manipulation carried out by several parties will be exposed.

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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?
As for the dollar, i don't really know in detail whether its value can be manipulated, but from the news i have heard and read so far, the dollar is used for international trade, so its value cannot be detected, whether it is manipulated or not, apart from that, it is one of the active US institutions. like the SEC, is quite active in monitoring things that happen in the US including the stock market.

in the crypto market, manipulation quite often occurs through FOMO and FUD, market speculators try to influence the level of market demand with the news they spread, so before deciding something, you must first understand what you are doing and find out in more detail because of the information you receive can lead you to do anything.


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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

I believe any powerful countries can manipulate the market anytime they want, since regulators can't prove if the market is being manipulated or not, that's why it can happen anytime, and anywhere around the globe.

For example, country A wants to manipulate the market for country B's economy will stop growing for a certain period of time because of inflation or deflation of their own currency or stocks. So, yes, market manipulation is very common everywhere. It's happening I believe in order for powerful people to gain control, profits, and power.
Smart people will always try to fool people who are stupider than them.
So as long as people are unable to realize the manipulation that other people are playing on them, that is how long their manipulation will continue to persist.
And the same goes for what some developed countries or companies do, they will always try to manipulate and interfere with countries or companies at a lower level than them. With the aim of getting the maximum profit.
And this is where transparency is needed when collaborating so that both parties can see the true facts so that no party feels disadvantaged.

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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?
Very common practice I am sure. It's not about the asset being centralized or decentralized. Infact assets that are centralized are more difficult to manipulate because you can easily come into radar. Decentralisation gives you the ability to remain untraced even after market manipulations. Ove I feel any market can be manipulated. It's more about the market makers, the exchanges and obviously the institutional investor which are primary participants in manipulating the market.

The centralized market can also be manipulate but one can be noticed with the right tools. Manipulation is everywhere whether in politics or monetary aspect. Crypto is not the only market that manipulation takes place, even in the forex and local market. This can not stop even though the government comes in. There are lots of people that have lots there assets because of manipulation that is why we need to understand what we are doing before we ever think of putting our money in such a thing.









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Manipulation is of course everywhere. All you have to do is look at banks being fined for this activity to know it’s a common occurrence. I think this sort of market manipulation is probably present in every aspect of pricing in society. It’s what people do when it comes to money and especially in finance, is not surprising.
Market manipulation affects us more if we are trading but less affects us if we hold our bitcoins.

Price can have big changes on market in a day, a week or a month but after one year, Bitcoin has good price growth that can help us to gain profit. If we don't trade, you can avoid manipulation effects.

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The market manipulation effect is on the market so basically, whether we trade or hold, it affects the valuation of our holdings.  Since manipulation often affects the price in the market, the conversion value of our holdings will be affected dependent on how the manipulation is done.

Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?
Very common practice I am sure. It's not about the asset being centralized or decentralized. Infact assets that are centralized are more difficult to manipulate because you can easily come into radar. Decentralisation gives you the ability to remain untraced even after market manipulations. Ove I feel any market can be manipulated. It's more about the market makers, the exchanges and obviously the institutional investor which are primary participants in manipulating the market.

The centralized market can also be manipulate but one can be noticed with the right tools. Manipulation is everywhere whether in politics or monetary aspect. Crypto is not the only market that manipulation takes place, even in the forex and local market. This can not stop even though the government comes in. There are lots of people that have lots there assets because of manipulation that is why we need to understand what we are doing before we ever think of putting our money in such a thing.

True that, manipulation is everywhere.  Even people are often manipulated so it is not a surprise we see manipulation in all industries.

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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?
Very common practice I am sure. It's not about the asset being centralized or decentralized. Infact assets that are centralized are more difficult to manipulate because you can easily come into radar. Decentralisation gives you the ability to remain untraced even after market manipulations. Ove I feel any market can be manipulated. It's more about the market makers, the exchanges and obviously the institutional investor which are primary participants in manipulating the market.

The centralized market can also be manipulate but one can be noticed with the right tools. Manipulation is everywhere whether in politics or monetary aspect. Crypto is not the only market that manipulation takes place, even in the forex and local market. This can not stop even though the government comes in. There are lots of people that have lots there assets because of manipulation that is why we need to understand what we are doing before we ever think of putting our money in such a thing.
Indeed, manipulation is not limited to the cryptocurrency market alone, it permeates all financial markets and various industries. Individuals who possess wealth and influence inevitably employ their resources and authority to acquire their desired objectives.

But for the cryptocurrency market, I think this is the most manipulated market. Many people think that it is decentralized and cannot be manipulated but that is naive because it is also being measured in terms of money. Therefore, people with a lot of money will freely manipulate the market. The cryptocurrency industry is small and without any regulation, so they are a favorite target of market manipulators.

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September 03, 2023, 04:25:21 AM
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What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?
Everything in this globe can be manipulated. In trading, manipulation shouldn't be tagged to sinisterness or evil. It should be seen as a need to oil the wheel of progress. It's what makes the industry busy. It's not as if someone tries to take one thing from somewhere and place it where it doesn't belong. It's a game whales or huge investors play by either causing scarcity in the market by mopping up large quantities to create demand and FOMO or doing the reverse by selling off huge quantity and causing excess supply to panic retail traders with weak hands into FUD to dump more. These whales then go back to either dump (in the first case where they create demand) or buy up (in the second case where they cause excess supply). We see this scenario in cryptos, Indices, Forex Trading, Stocks, just to name but four. For me, I don't see anything wrong in it. It's business strategy.

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First of all, decentralization does not mean that market manipulation can't be invoked. It just means a centralized authority cannot manipulate the market. An a decentralized asset can be influenced by large amounts of capital. That being said, market manipulation tends to be a zero sum game. Someone's gains must be a result of another person's losses, so there's incentive by the wealthy not to manipulate the market. For example, someone holding a large amount of BTC could flood the market with cheap BTC and theoretically manipulate Bitcoin prices -- though that would obviously involve selling their coins at a discount. Obviously this is an oversimplification, but the principle holds true.

Individuals don't really manipulate markets because they don't hold the capital, organizations do as a collective. And the government is the organization which holds virtually unlimited capital. They don't engage in manipulation with malice -- it's normally to bolster the economic numbers above what they ought to be.
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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

Who knows, in the world of digital currency, maybe there is one, maybe not, but it definitely exists, yes. For investors or anyone else, it's best not to be easily tempted by impressive price increases in the short term (daily), without being supported by clear corporate actions and solid fundamentals, of course because in the digital currency market, the models and types of people vary in terms of goals and ambitions. .

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Basically, if the financial market is affected  by the people or artificially then we usually call it market manipulation. Legal action may also be taken against any person or organization associated with such activities. A separate agency has been created to regulate the US stock market whose responsibility it is to ensure punishment against various types of malpractices and unfair practices.

Market manipulation is nothing new. Every market can be affected by big whales to some extent but not completely. In the stock market, the share prices of various companies can be traded low and high, but it is not an easy task to do so. In this respect I think Bitcoin is completely different. Because it is decentralized not everyone can control it. However, some investors may have a temporary effect by keeping a large amount of Bitcoin under their control, in this case, if investors adopt a little awareness, there will be no major negative impact. Bitcoin price may drop for a while but it will recover again in a few days.

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Essentially, if there is no manipulator in a particular market, that market becomes sluggish and boring.There are a lot of markets now - and it takes a strong movement in a particular market to draw attention to it. Yes, manipulators are evil, but they are often a necessary evil.
That's a fact, a market that becomes totally stagnant becomes boring for traders since there won't be enough opportunities for profit and when there are fewer profit windows and the profit percentage becomes very small, people would eventually abandon that market and start looking for alternative markets for their trades and investments. This also applies to the cryptocurrency market, it becomes way too boring when the market starts to become stable for a long time.

That's why, it's important to have manipulators because they keep the market volatile and exciting for traders since volatility creates more profit windows and the opportunities keep pouring in which makes it a great market for traders who are short-term traders and like getting small but many profits every day or week.

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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?
The big whales in the market be it in crypto or fiat, will always have the chance to manipulate the market and its market value. This is very common nowadays, not just in the business world, but even in our own government as there will always be manipulation from the higher positions above. Sad to say, those have become uncontrollable probably because wealthy people have always been making higher influence. However, when it comes to crypto, manipulation is observed less in decentralized market compared to centralized ones. That’s one advantage bitcoin has.

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So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?
Yes, as long as they're wealthy and has the means to do it which they really can. But they won't just do it noticeably, if they're going to manipulate it, they won't make it look like it's manipulated.

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?
The elites, billionaires or if there are really trillionaires, they can manipulate everything even people's emotion.


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Market manipulation is very common and this can be seen everywhere. Particularly this happens with billionaires who keep on manipulating to increase the networth. In my country we had a billionaire who was placed around the 300th place and now he had reached the top 5 position. Several allegations have come against him as the Prime Minister have favoured him and some shell companies have been operated to show fake investment over the company shares. These have made him grow, and the government have supported him. A research institute brought everything to the light and the opposition have requested investigation, but the ruling government always wants to save him and these kind of manipulation is happening in all sectors which eats people's money.

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Small business or project is higher to be a target of market manipulation because it make a whale can buy everything to control the market. If we compare to Tesla or Bitcoin where the market cap is really high, it's not that easy for a whale to control the market when all of their money might be not enough to buy every stock/coin that every seller want to sell.

This is why, don't invest too big in small business or project.

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September 04, 2023, 07:09:18 PM
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Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.
It depends on which crypto asset you are talking about. Altcoins are not decentralized but bitcoin is. It is still decentralized so no one can manipulate the market. Let's say a whale owns 51% of the total Bitcoin supply. Then he can manipulate the market. But it is not possible for one person to own that much. Even if you add all the whales available in the Bitcoin market, they won't come together because different people have different agendas. So not quite possible for the moment. But no one knows what the future holds.

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So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated?
To some extent, yes! It can be manipulated if it is related to money. Market manipulation is done by individuals or organizations that hold the power and money to do so.

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What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

People with huge capital and people who have the power. Like billionaires and Governments. Governments control the value of money and could change it at any point. This is power. And people with huge capital could invest in something and then manipulate the market at their will. That's huge capital. Money gives you power and power gives you money. It's a cycle and those who are in it are capable of manipulating the market.
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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

What does "a few individuals" mean? I think that could go too far although what if the five major US banks collude on interest manipulation on behalf of their CEOs. I guess the CEOs have the power to enforce their hypothetical plans if they wanted to. Is that still an individual to you or is it an organization or more a "player" in the market.

When you look at the LIBOR scandal, you can get a good impression of what is possible on the global financial stages. Collusion at a level that nobody would imagine at first glance. But once you have looked into several scandals that happened in the past, you will realize that there is a pattern when centralization of power meets opportunity, it is almost guaranteed that the day will come when some will want to exploit that opportunity for their own benefit, regardless of illegality.

So I think yes is the answer, individuals can manipulate the market depending on what position they are in.

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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?
As you might have heard, they say money is power, so someone who has a lot of it has a lot of power and this power works almost everywhere and on everything, so financial sectors are no exception. When someone has a lot of money, they can buy a very large amount of anything they want to manipulate in the market, they then can play with the price by creating price walls of their choice for either buying or selling that particular item no matter what it is.

When it comes to Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, imagine someone has acquired a million Bitcoins, and he has put 200k Bitcoins on sale at the price of $25,000. Now, the market will either need to wait for their coins to be sold completely or place their sell orders below that price, and that is how the price starts decreasing as people won't wait and will start selling lower.

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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

What does "a few individuals" mean? I think that could go too far although what if the five major US banks collude on interest manipulation on behalf of their CEOs. I guess the CEOs have the power to enforce their hypothetical plans if they wanted to. Is that still an individual to you or is it an organization or more a "player" in the market.

When you look at the LIBOR scandal, you can get a good impression of what is possible on the global financial stages. Collusion at a level that nobody would imagine at first glance. But once you have looked into several scandals that happened in the past, you will realize that there is a pattern when centralization of power meets opportunity, it is almost guaranteed that the day will come when some will want to exploit that opportunity for their own benefit, regardless of illegality.

So I think yes is the answer, individuals can manipulate the market depending on what position they are in.
CEOs of major US banks conspiring? The idea is almost absurd. While a handful have power, it's foolish to presume they're puppet masters behind every scandal. For instance, the LIBOR scandal? That was a systemic issue, not just a few prominent people.

However valid, centralization of power doesn't inevitably mean widespread manipulation. Powerful people aren't necessarily evil. Decentralization, like Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies, gives many optimism. Ironically, 'whales' cause large price movements in Bitcoin. So, what's your point exactly?

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September 06, 2023, 11:04:05 AM
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Basically, if the financial market is affected  by the people or artificially then we usually call it market manipulation. Legal action may also be taken against any person or organization associated with such activities. A separate agency has been created to regulate the US stock market whose responsibility it is to ensure punishment against various types of malpractices and unfair practices.

Market manipulation is nothing new. Every market can be affected by big whales to some extent but not completely. In the stock market, the share prices of various companies can be traded low and high, but it is not an easy task to do so. In this respect I think Bitcoin is completely different. Because it is decentralized not everyone can control it. However, some investors may have a temporary effect by keeping a large amount of Bitcoin under their control, in this case, if investors adopt a little awareness, there will be no major negative impact. Bitcoin price may drop for a while but it will recover again in a few days.

If legals has taken good course, 99% of centralized exchanges will go down because they are the insider traders but then, they will come quickly to debunk these news. Take a look at IEO that are been conducted on these exchanges, the listing of coins and tokens, they are the first to get this information especially the main teams, they even sometimes sell this information so that they don't get implicated at the end. Tbe rate of insider trading among market makers is everywhere around crypto industry but they are always quick to break traces else legal tenders will have enough tax to help the government. Grin

Furthermore, the fact is this, market manipulation will always exist in a any financial instruments as long as there are buyers and sellers, is just like having illegal gold miners and approved government gold miners, no matter how they fight this, it will continue because money is involved and where there is money, you should expect manipulation of such. Market manipulation is even worst wheen there is bull run in crypto.

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What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

In general terms, market manipulation is possible, but what we should focus on is the kind of market where this chances of manipulating market price is very possible and feasible, in cryptocurrency, i don't think it's possible with bitcoin but can be possible with other cryptocurrencies since their market value is determined by the stakeholders who are the major investors on that particular coin, in the open financial and centralized economy of fiat, it is very possible and many are doing it and will always continue with that as long as the decision is being made by some category set of people.



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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

I don't think, cryptocurrency can be manipulate by wealthy individuals because many governments officials has confirmed it during the pandemic that frustrated so many organization but cryptocurrency was pumping massively during the period to help their investors to achieve something good from their investment.The People that can manipulate the cryptocurrency market in the whole world are demands and supply's, which are the only group of people that can affect cryptocurrency market positively and negatively.  Governments can manipulate the price of centralized currency, but it will be difficult for them to manipulate decentralized currency, because the people who can move the market price in the time of bearish and bullish are demand and supply.

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Money is power; if you have it, you can manipulate everything, as our world is full of dishonest people. We have to be realistic so we can react the right way. Let's not expect that everything we see is true; once money is involved, everything can be manipulated, as greediness is already a part of being human. Only a few really have pure hearts. Just play the game, as that's the only way we can survive and maybe profit from our investments.

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I think it’s fairly possible. However in case of Bitcoin it seems fairly impossible. The market is really big and whatever money is in the hands of individuals isn’t enough to move the market price. The money flows in billions of dollars everyday. The decentralised nature definitely prohibits individuals from making any moves that can cause market to fall or move upwards with the intentions of manipulating it.

On the other hand it can be opposite when the market is centralised. The shares are always limited by the holding company. There could be chances of insider trading. Sometimes it could be the entity itself or sometimes it could be individual with high stakes in an entity. Different nature of market different ways to manipulate.  
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CEOs of major US banks conspiring? The idea is almost absurd. While a handful have power, it's foolish to presume they're puppet masters behind every scandal. For instance, the LIBOR scandal? That was a systemic issue, not just a few prominent people.

However valid, centralization of power doesn't inevitably mean widespread manipulation. Powerful people aren't necessarily evil. Decentralization, like Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies, gives many optimism. Ironically, 'whales' cause large price movements in Bitcoin. So, what's your point exactly?

I would like you to not imply things I haven't said. I was talking about a hypothetical scenario (I called it hypothetical plans) and then said that where power is centralized, there is also a window of opportunity for fraud (or conspiracy as you call it). The LIBOR scandal is one example of that and Anshu Jain, a former Deutsche Bank boss was also involved (surprise surprise). If they didn't have the power, they couldn't have executed the manipulation.

This is the so called fraud diamond:



I have investigated a few fraud cases during my academic path and the fraud diamond is simple, it almost looks trivial, but a lot can be derived from it. Capability in most cases reverts to centralization of power. Top-down structures that can either command the execution of a fraudulent activity directly or indirectly by creating pressure/incentive. The LIBOR scandal can be very well explained and it is also very well documented. I assume you have never looked into it from an investigative perspective, because if you had would would know what I was talking about.

Yes, Banks collude! Absolutely do they collude. Again, this can happen either work through discreet implied "contracts" / collusion because everyone knows what to do without talking, or there can be the obvious version, meaning a few CEOs meet for a coffee and afterwards something happens (which is probably rarely the case Wink ).

Do we have examples? Oh hell yes, the subprime mortgage crisis was a kind of collusion, but eventually everyone colluding was competing with each other because of fire sales and the subsequent liquidity crunch, blowing up balance sheets and letting them crash altogether, or at least those who were worst at the round-robin-game.

The funniest of it all is that you are bringing up the term conspiracy and that "centralization of power doesn't inevitably mean widespread manipulation". A knife doesn't inevitably mean murder and a chair could mean murder and not inevitably mean sitting. But Bitcoin exists because "not inevitably" could translate into "possibly", and since the world has not fared that well with your "not inevitably", Nakamoto thought about the system that sets in stone the rules and the mechanics of the game.

The fraud diamond shows that there is massive incentive to tamper with the blockchain, rationalization for tampering it is also conceivable, but capability and opportunity are possibly infinitely small.

Can Bitcoin the market be manipulated? Yes, but Bitcoin has an interesting feedback loop because as the price rises through manipulation, adoption and the network actually grows because rising prices usually draw attention to something, increasing future resilience for further manipulation.

Centralization is among the most important factors reflected by capability and opportunity in the fraud diamond. How could the mortgage crisis enfold like that? Because of centralization of power. Banks paid the auditors that attested to the validity of MBS reported fair value. A lack in independence led to those misstatements. An enmeshed network of top-down power and dependencies without negative feedback loops including penalties led to the whole thing to burst in the end.


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September 06, 2023, 05:00:31 PM
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Small business or project is higher to be a target of market manipulation because it make a whale can buy everything to control the market. If we compare to Tesla or Bitcoin where the market cap is really high, it's not that easy for a whale to control the market when all of their money might be not enough to buy every stock/coin that every seller want to sell.

This is why, don't invest too big in small business or project.
So true. Usually altcoins that have a low market cap are always the target of manipulating price movements in the market. Often this happens when Bitcoin is in a sideways state. So the whales started playing with the prices of several altcoins that initially had very low trading volumes. We can see examples of what happened in the past few days. Many altcoins are played by whales.

Regarding bitcoin market manipulation, it is very difficult to do. But it can still be done. By controlling the news media. Through Fud and such. I don't want to mention it. But many recent economic events seem to be playing out, right? I don't know if it's a coincidence or not. But it succeeded in making Bitcoin move quickly in terms of increases and decreases.
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I think it’s fairly possible. However in case of Bitcoin it seems fairly impossible. The market is really big and whatever money is in the hands of individuals isn’t enough to move the market price. The money flows in billions of dollars everyday. The decentralised nature definitely prohibits individuals from making any moves that can cause market to fall or move upwards with the intentions of manipulating it.

On the other hand it can be opposite when the market is centralised. The shares are always limited by the holding company. There could be chances of insider trading. Sometimes it could be the entity itself or sometimes it could be individual with high stakes in an entity. Different nature of market different ways to manipulate. 
considering the fact that bitcoin trading volume right now reaches 12 billions and more then its true that its definitely almost impossible for individual whales to manipulate the market through the means of using money but for groups of big investment company surely the possibility rate increase, but i think at this point the market of bitcoin is quite organic. that I don't think manipulation is that rampant but regardless thats just my 2 cents.

Small business or project is higher to be a target of market manipulation because it make a whale can buy everything to control the market. If we compare to Tesla or Bitcoin where the market cap is really high, it's not that easy for a whale to control the market when all of their money might be not enough to buy every stock/coin that every seller want to sell.

This is why, don't invest too big in small business or project.
So true. Usually altcoins that have a low market cap are always the target of manipulating price movements in the market. Often this happens when Bitcoin is in a sideways state. So the whales started playing with the prices of several altcoins that initially had very low trading volumes. We can see examples of what happened in the past few days. Many altcoins are played by whales.

Regarding bitcoin market manipulation, it is very difficult to do. But it can still be done. By controlling the news media. Through Fud and such. I don't want to mention it. But many recent economic events seem to be playing out, right? I don't know if it's a coincidence or not. But it succeeded in making Bitcoin move quickly in terms of increases and decreases.
the use of media is quite effective to control bitcoin price honestly, just the rumour of space x dumping their bitcoin is enough to shake the market recently.
after all if using means of manipulating through the use of capital it would definitely requires hundred millions and that doesn't necessarily enough so using the media become more efficient nowadays.

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September 07, 2023, 12:41:43 AM
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Small business or project is higher to be a target of market manipulation because it make a whale can buy everything to control the market. If we compare to Tesla or Bitcoin where the market cap is really high, it's not that easy for a whale to control the market when all of their money might be not enough to buy every stock/coin that every seller want to sell.

This is why, don't invest too big in small business or project.
So true. Usually altcoins that have a low market cap are always the target of manipulating price movements in the market. Often this happens when Bitcoin is in a sideways state. So the whales started playing with the prices of several altcoins that initially had very low trading volumes. We can see examples of what happened in the past few days. Many altcoins are played by whales.

Regarding bitcoin market manipulation, it is very difficult to do. But it can still be done. By controlling the news media. Through Fud and such. I don't want to mention it. But many recent economic events seem to be playing out, right? I don't know if it's a coincidence or not. But it succeeded in making Bitcoin move quickly in terms of increases and decreases.
One of the issues with those low market cap coins is that you do not even need a whale to manipulate its price, as we know very well that pump and dump groups specialize in doing exactly that, and the manipulation they can exercise on those coins is huge, as we have seen in the past small cap coins growing at an amazing speed only for the crash to be even faster.

It is because of this that we need to avoid those coins as that manipulation can come out of nowhere and cause us to suffer a massive loss.

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September 07, 2023, 01:26:12 PM
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Small business or project is higher to be a target of market manipulation because it make a whale can buy everything to control the market. If we compare to Tesla or Bitcoin where the market cap is really high, it's not that easy for a whale to control the market when all of their money might be not enough to buy every stock/coin that every seller want to sell.

This is why, don't invest too big in small business or project.
So true. Usually altcoins that have a low market cap are always the target of manipulating price movements in the market. Often this happens when Bitcoin is in a sideways state. So the whales started playing with the prices of several altcoins that initially had very low trading volumes. We can see examples of what happened in the past few days. Many altcoins are played by whales.

Regarding bitcoin market manipulation, it is very difficult to do. But it can still be done. By controlling the news media. Through Fud and such. I don't want to mention it. But many recent economic events seem to be playing out, right? I don't know if it's a coincidence or not. But it succeeded in making Bitcoin move quickly in terms of increases and decreases.
One of the issues with those low market cap coins is that you do not even need a whale to manipulate its price, as we know very well that pump and dump groups specialize in doing exactly that, and the manipulation they can exercise on those coins is huge, as we have seen in the past small cap coins growing at an amazing speed only for the crash to be even faster.

It is because of this that we need to avoid those coins as that manipulation can come out of nowhere and cause us to suffer a massive loss.
This is where insight is needed to find out which coins are under the influence of manipulation and which are not. Beginners are the most prone to falling victim to the coin pumping and throwing. But for professionals, coins that are being pumped can actually bring profit. Because they know when to get in and when to get out. But for beginners sometimes they misunderstand by buying at the height of the hype and then when the price falls they don't sell it. Because they hope prices will rise again quickly. And after the price fell further, they realized that the price would not rise again quickly. So when they realize it is too late because now their assets have suffered huge losses. I've experienced this too. And I learned from that. And never get stuck again.
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Do you know why small coins or new altcoins dumps heavily in value when Bitcoin losses a funny percentage of it's value? That's because altcoins have tinny marcketcaps, the amount of money invested in alt isn't the same as that of Bitcoin, and the lower the market cap the easier it is to manipulate.

The same can happen if a project is Proof of work based, it can be manipulated is on individual controls 59% of the project hash rate, and it's very possible.

With Bitcoin manipulation can happen but it will also cost a lot, but The easiest route is unleashing bad news about Bitcoin adoption or revealing a bad news about a certain company that's well invested into Bitcoin before.


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September 07, 2023, 05:10:21 PM
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Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.
It depends on which crypto asset you are talking about. Altcoins are not decentralized but bitcoin is. It is still decentralized so no one can manipulate the market. Let's say a whale owns 51% of the total Bitcoin supply. Then he can manipulate the market. But it is not possible for one person to own that much. Even if you add all the whales available in the Bitcoin market, they won't come together because different people have different agendas. So not quite possible for the moment. But no one knows what the future holds.
According to this article, Elon Musk's wealth in July 2023 is estimated at approximately $254 billion.

And currently, the total supply of Bitcoin stands at 19.5 million BTC. Let's calculate based on the current BTC rate, which is $25,000. Here are the results. This is just Elon Musk alone, but there are still many of the world's wealthiest individuals who could combine their fortunes if they genuinely wanted to manipulate BTC by buying up all available supply at the current price.



Just a bit more to reach 51%.

The challenging part would be the price increase when they make these purchases. However, they are individuals with immense power, and I believe they have the ability to leverage the media in their plan to shape a bearish market, ultimately securing lower prices.

So, do you still believe that Bitcoin cannot truly be manipulated in terms of its price?
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September 07, 2023, 05:15:09 PM
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Money is power; if you have it, you can manipulate everything, as our world is full of dishonest people. We have to be realistic so we can react the right way. Let's not expect that everything we see is true; once money is involved, everything can be manipulated, as greediness is already a part of being human. Only a few really have pure hearts. Just play the game, as that's the only way we can survive and maybe profit from our investments.

You know what, investing or business is actually just a game; you play well, you win.

Money is power but people are not manipulating everything with money but they manipulate everything to earn more money. We are unable to react in right way because a true and honest man cannot survive in this world.

There will be few individuals who will not think about money but majority of population's aim is just to get money and those few individuals will hardly continues their life journey because in this world dishonest rich people are prominent and they make the life of poor people hard.

Investment and business is not a game and it can be felt by those individuals who think it as a game and then loss their large sum of money because they did not think this filed serious
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September 07, 2023, 05:24:03 PM
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Money is power; if you have it, you can manipulate everything, as our world is full of dishonest people. We have to be realistic so we can react the right way. Let's not expect that everything we see is true; once money is involved, everything can be manipulated, as greediness is already a part of being human. Only a few really have pure hearts. Just play the game, as that's the only way we can survive and maybe profit from our investments.

You know what, investing or business is actually just a game; you play well, you win.

Money is power but people are not manipulating everything with money but they manipulate everything to earn more money. We are unable to react in right way because a true and honest man cannot survive in this world.

There will be few individuals who will not think about money but majority of population's aim is just to get money and those few individuals will hardly continues their life journey because in this world dishonest rich people are prominent and they make the life of poor people hard.

Investment and business is not a game and it can be felt by those individuals who think it as a game and then loss their large sum of money because they did not think this filed serious

Market manipulation is common even the drug kingpins in every city are manipulating. Even the prices of toilet paper are manipulated. But this probably isn't what OP is talking about.
If he is talking about the crypto market, it's obvious what Elon is doing and even the SEC is manipulating the market by deliberately announcing stuff to make the price drop.

But the ones with power like the politicians and government leaders are the ones that can make things happen and make money of insider info.

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September 07, 2023, 05:29:01 PM
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So, do you still believe that Bitcoin cannot truly be manipulated in terms of its price?

The difference between net worth and having real money is different. Networth is based on what they own in different places like the stock market, real estate, and other things. Imagine Elon sells those shares. The value of the thing will decrease. He won't be able to sell all at once. That's how it works. Net worth is not equal to liquid money. So does he really owns that money or can he have that total in once in order to manipulate the market? From what I can tell, he can't. Or anyone else. It is possible tho as I said, but unlikely to happen.

Also as you mentioned, the more he buys, the more price increases per buy. So it will be tough for anyone to do it unless everyone come together and do it as a group. That won't happen because as the price goes low, others will buy.
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I don't think, cryptocurrency can be manipulate by wealthy individuals because many governments officials has confirmed it during the pandemic that frustrated so many organization but cryptocurrency was pumping massively during the period to help their investors to achieve something good from their investment.The People that can manipulate the cryptocurrency market in the whole world are demands and supply's, which are the only group of people that can affect cryptocurrency market positively and negatively.  Governments can manipulate the price of centralized currency, but it will be difficult for them to manipulate decentralized currency, because the people who can move the market price in the time of bearish and bullish are demand and supply.
I think they could still "manipulate" it by making it legal or illegal. A government could make bitcoin illegal in the nation, buy a bunch of it so that it would be cheaper  for them to buy it, and then they could make it legal and then sell it when it goes back up.

Of course you need to be a nation that matters, because we have seen nations like El-Salvador that got into bitcoin and the price just kept on going down more and more, which is the trouble, I think it should be important to realize that it is going to be something special, like maybe USA or UK that could do this. It would allow them to manipulate it with the law they have and then they could profit from it if they want to do something like that.
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Do you know why small coins or new altcoins dumps heavily in value when Bitcoin losses a funny percentage of it's value? That's because altcoins have tinny marcketcaps, the amount of money invested in alt isn't the same as that of Bitcoin, and the lower the market cap the easier it is to manipulate.

It is easy to manipulate market in dealing with altcoins but this is not possible with the bitcoin network, we understand that the entire procedures of most of the memecoins are investors base decision and if they so wishes, the project can continue with their steady funding and once they are not willing anymore or when the market becomes u favourable for the to sustain through the process, they withdraw their investment and funding to the coin and the whole things stops.

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because the people who can move the market price in the time of bearish and bullish are demand and supply.
Not everyone shares this perspective. Market manipulation in the cryptocurrency world has, on several occasions, been influenced by rather absurd factors. Elon Musk demonstrated this by merely sending out tweets about Bitcoin or Dogecoin, causing immediate fluctuations in the prices of these related tokens. I believe this wasn't solely due to supply and demand dynamics but rather driven by FOMO (Fear of Missing Out) and manufactured manipulation orchestrated by Elon Musk.

Shaping the price of Bitcoin into someone's desired outcome through crafty means, I believe, falls under the strategy of manipulating cryptocurrency and other assets.

Letting money do the talking makes centralized entities more susceptible to human manipulation. Manipulating decentralized systems, on the other hand, requires a bit more effort since there's no central control. So, it necessitates employing different methods.
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because the people who can move the market price in the time of bearish and bullish are demand and supply.
Not everyone shares this perspective. Market manipulation in the cryptocurrency world has, on several occasions, been influenced by rather absurd factors. Elon Musk demonstrated this by merely sending out tweets about Bitcoin or Dogecoin, causing immediate fluctuations in the prices of these related tokens. I believe this wasn't solely due to supply and demand dynamics but rather driven by FOMO (Fear of Missing Out) and manufactured manipulation orchestrated by Elon Musk.

Shaping the price of Bitcoin into someone's desired outcome through crafty means, I believe, falls under the strategy of manipulating cryptocurrency and other assets.

Letting money do the talking makes centralized entities more susceptible to human manipulation. Manipulating decentralized systems, on the other hand, requires a bit more effort since there's no central control. So, it necessitates employing different methods.
We can really tell or able to say that manipulation could really happen but we cant really be able to point out fingers but rather we would really be that presuming that its a manipulative act. Take for example with those
Elon Musks tweets which it turns out to be that a simple tweet but it did really make out some significant impact on the coin that he's really that mentioning on which means that you cant really be able to avoid on having those kind of thinking that this might be intentional or what. Same goes into those sudden news which do pop out from nowhere and this one includes those ETF related kind of news or fundamentals on which it did really make out such impact on the time these news had come out in the market. This is why you cant really blame out people not to have those kind of words and thinking into their minds about probabilities.Rather than on making yourself that getting stressed with these things, then why you cant really just simply make yourself go with the flow and act accordingly basing up on whats the trend? You could really make out some money or profits
in short time if you do really just knowledgeable on how to take advantage out of these news or fundamentals. Although it wont really be that so simple due to total randomness but doesnt mean that it would be
impossible to be done.

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September 08, 2023, 08:04:33 PM
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We can really tell or able to say that manipulation could really happen but we cant really be able to point out fingers but rather we would really be that presuming that its a manipulative act. Take for example with those
Elon Musks tweets which it turns out to be that a simple tweet but it did really make out some significant impact on the coin that he's really that mentioning on which means that you cant really be able to avoid on having those kind of thinking that this might be intentional or what. Same goes into those sudden news which do pop out from nowhere and this one includes those ETF related kind of news or fundamentals on which it did really make out such impact on the time these news had come out in the market. This is why you cant really blame out people not to have those kind of words and thinking into their minds about probabilities.Rather than on making yourself that getting stressed with these things, then why you cant really just simply make yourself go with the flow and act accordingly basing up on whats the trend? You could really make out some money or profits
in short time if you do really just knowledgeable on how to take advantage out of these news or fundamentals. Although it wont really be that so simple due to total randomness but doesnt mean that it would be
impossible to be done.
When I realized that my position and financial capacity in the world of finance aren't as substantial as those capable of steering its course, I deemed it wiser to do what I can to ensure my survival. I've continued to strive to leverage specific circumstances that could yield benefits for me. It's worth mentioning that market manipulation can be executed by a single individual, primarily for informational purposes, highlighting that market movements driven by supply and demand aren't entirely straightforward.

Information of this nature can prove useful to those who are yet unfamiliar with it. This means that we shouldn't set overly high expectations for any one thing. What matters most at this juncture is making efforts to keep the economy running smoothly.
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September 08, 2023, 11:37:53 PM
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Do you know why small coins or new altcoins dumps heavily in value when Bitcoin losses a funny percentage of it's value? That's because altcoins have tinny marcketcaps, the amount of money invested in alt isn't the same as that of Bitcoin, and the lower the market cap the easier it is to manipulate.

It is easy to manipulate market in dealing with altcoins but this is not possible with the bitcoin network, we understand that the entire procedures of most of the memecoins are investors base decision and if they so wishes, the project can continue with their steady funding and once they are not willing anymore or when the market becomes u favourable for the to sustain through the process, they withdraw their investment and funding to the coin and the whole things stops.
but definitely there are some ways though with bitcoin market in terms of manipulation or at the very least is affecting and influencing the overall markets and the key is media.
its most efficient and cost effective way of influencing the general sentiment of the market towards certain assets, just give bad news now everyone fears that the assets they are holding gonna gets doomed and they gonna be losing their money
in which creates panic selling.
thats i think one way of manipulating the market without spending too much money just for the sake of manipulating supply or demand, there are most certainly other thing.
but it goes to show that even bitcoin market might be affected by these attempts of manipulation.

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What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

To the best of my understanding, market manipulation can take place in a wide range of markets, from commodity, Forex to cryptocurrencies. It is not limited to any country or market type. However, the impact of market manipulation can vary widely depending on the specific context and regulatory environment in a particular location. It is generally perceived that individuals or entities with substantial financial resources, can leverage their financial clout to manipulate prices in their favor.









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It is generally perceived that individuals or entities with substantial financial resources, can leverage their financial clout to manipulate prices in their favor.
Furthermore, individuals in positions of authority possess the capability to manipulate markets through the implementation of peculiar policies. They may not possess wealth per se, yet their decisions must be adhered to by a multitude of involved parties. An illustrative example of a perilous entity within the world of stock markets is the stock exchange.

National stock exchanges wield the power to steer market direction in accordance with their own desires or the desires of others, often driven by financial motives. Insiders seldom expend significant financial resources to orchestrate such maneuvers, and this privilege constitutes a hazardous facet of a centralized system.
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Manipulation exists everywhere, especially in the economy or business.  Manipulation is inextricably linked with business. In every sector, those who are big in terms of authority try to manipulate the system.  Market manipulation is done by those who will benefit from it.  I think cryptocurrency is not out of the question.  Besides, there are big whales to manipulate the market from time to time.  But I think even if you manipulate the market it will go back to its own pace later it may be only for short time.


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September 09, 2023, 09:33:06 PM
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Manipulation exists everywhere, especially in the economy or business.  Manipulation is inextricably linked with business. In every sector, those who are big in terms of authority try to manipulate the system.  Market manipulation is done by those who will benefit from it.  I think cryptocurrency is not out of the question.  Besides, there are big whales to manipulate the market from time to time.  But I think even if you manipulate the market it will go back to its own pace later it may be only for short time.
Indeed, that's true for the majority, but not in all cases, because Elon Musk has also manipulated the DOGE market, and to this day, the price of DOGE is still relatively high compared to before the new year in 2021.

Historically, DOGE had an extremely low price for 1 DOGE, and when Elon Musk did something with DOGE, its all-time high (ATH) reached $0.73. If it were to return to normal, its price should ideally be between 10 cents and 15 cents. However, now it stands strong at 193 cents. This means that the strength of DOGE has not completely collapsed.

This may also apply to other markets like Bitcoin and the top 10 cryptocurrencies. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Do you know why small coins or new altcoins dumps heavily in value when Bitcoin losses a funny percentage of it's value? That's because altcoins have tinny marcketcaps, the amount of money invested in alt isn't the same as that of Bitcoin, and the lower the market cap the easier it is to manipulate.

It is easy to manipulate market in dealing with altcoins but this is not possible with the bitcoin network, we understand that the entire procedures of most of the memecoins are investors base decision and if they so wishes, the project can continue with their steady funding and once they are not willing anymore or when the market becomes u favourable for the to sustain through the process, they withdraw their investment and funding to the coin and the whole things stops.

Bitcoin network cannot be manipulated because it is decentralized and no one has the authority over it.  But the Bitcoin market can be influenced to the point of manipulating the sentiment of the market creating unnecessary market movement and turn of events.  Bitcoin or altcoins, when it comes to market manipulation are susceptible. We have seen how people use news and events to manipulate market sentiments.  So it is not only the altcoin market but also the Bitcoin market, and in fact, any market can be manipulated as long as the needed condition is met.

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What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

To the best of my understanding, market manipulation can take place in a wide range of markets, from commodity, Forex to cryptocurrencies. It is not limited to any country or market type. However, the impact of market manipulation can vary widely depending on the specific context and regulatory environment in a particular location. It is generally perceived that individuals or entities with substantial financial resources, can leverage their financial clout to manipulate prices in their favor.
It's true that market manipulation is not a respecter of a country, it can happen anywhere but the help of regulation is checking the excesses on this and heavy sanctions are being meted on those who are caught in such illegal practices. This is often done by those who have the big money, they are mostly big banks and financial institutions in the traditional market, but regulators are careful and strict enough to monitor their activities to discourage such practices. What helps further in manipulating the market is thin market liquidity, when the liquidity is low, they can move in money and do what they have to do.

However, this is getting much worse in the cryptocurrency market. These guys are careful enough to avoid the top-rated coins but focus on the shitcoins to their advantage. They pump and dump selected coins at will and continue to make their money.

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Do you know why small coins or new altcoins dumps heavily in value when Bitcoin losses a funny percentage of it's value? That's because altcoins have tinny marcketcaps, the amount of money invested in alt isn't the same as that of Bitcoin, and the lower the market cap the easier it is to manipulate.

It is easy to manipulate market in dealing with altcoins but this is not possible with the bitcoin network, we understand that the entire procedures of most of the memecoins are investors base decision and if they so wishes, the project can continue with their steady funding and once they are not willing anymore or when the market becomes u favourable for the to sustain through the process, they withdraw their investment and funding to the coin and the whole things stops.

Bitcoin network cannot be manipulated because it is decentralized and no one has the authority over it.  But the Bitcoin market can be influenced to the point of manipulating the sentiment of the market creating unnecessary market movement and turn of events.  Bitcoin or altcoins, when it comes to market manipulation are susceptible. We have seen how people use news and events to manipulate market sentiments.  So it is not only the altcoin market but also the Bitcoin market, and in fact, any market can be manipulated as long as the needed condition is met.

Totally agree with you, many people have the misconception that bitcoin cannot be manipulated and that what is happening in the market is determined by supply and demand. People who think like that are naive. The bitcoin network is impossible, but given the price and quantity of bitcoins circulating in the market, manipulating it wouldn't be too difficult for those with a lot of money. But manipulation will always be covered up and they cover it up by releasing news to legitimize what they do and people easily believe it is true. To me, what is happening in crypto is more manipulation than movement based on supply and demand.

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September 10, 2023, 01:14:53 PM
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What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

To the best of my understanding, market manipulation can take place in a wide range of markets, from commodity, Forex to cryptocurrencies. It is not limited to any country or market type. However, the impact of market manipulation can vary widely depending on the specific context and regulatory environment in a particular location. It is generally perceived that individuals or entities with substantial financial resources, can leverage their financial clout to manipulate prices in their favor.
It's true that market manipulation is not a respecter of a country, it can happen anywhere but the help of regulation is checking the excesses on this and heavy sanctions are being meted on those who are caught in such illegal practices. This is often done by those who have the big money, they are mostly big banks and financial institutions in the traditional market, but regulators are careful and strict enough to monitor their activities to discourage such practices. What helps further in manipulating the market is thin market liquidity, when the liquidity is low, they can move in money and do what they have to do.

However, this is getting much worse in the cryptocurrency market. These guys are careful enough to avoid the top-rated coins but focus on the shitcoins to their advantage. They pump and dump selected coins at will and continue to make their money.
Actually, people who have a lot of money in traditional markets can get out of sanctions easily, one way is that they use many accounts that do not have affiliation with each other, and things like this are still done by some entities at certain moments so that Their moves cannot be detected as illegal activities. With the exception of liquidation, it is limited based on the amount (max transaction) every day (overall transaction), it makes it difficult even though it has many accounts, but if the liquidity applies to the account, then it can still be a gap.

Because crypto is a free market and in large exchanges have a high enough total liquidity makes everyone easy to buy and throw the coins back to the market, especially those who have a small market capitalization, will easily be manipulated and according to me it is a common thing at the Crypto Market.

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September 10, 2023, 02:37:13 PM
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Manipulation exists everywhere, especially in the economy or business.  Manipulation is inextricably linked with business. In every sector, those who are big in terms of authority try to manipulate the system.  Market manipulation is done by those who will benefit from it.  I think cryptocurrency is not out of the question.  Besides, there are big whales to manipulate the market from time to time.  But I think even if you manipulate the market it will go back to its own pace later it may be only for short time.
This is true, manipulation can happen anywhere and have different effects. Market manipulation, for example, can have a good effect on others but can also have a negative effect on some. Moreover, market manipulation can be big or small depending on how much changes it may cause. And yes, cryptocurrency can be manipulated in some ways as well.

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September 10, 2023, 04:00:10 PM
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But manipulation will always be covered up and they cover it up by releasing news to legitimize what they do and people easily believe it is true. To me, what is happening in crypto is more manipulation than movement based on supply and demand.
Apart from being used to obscure the movements of individuals, news disseminated by major media outlets can also serve as a potent instrument for market manipulation. It appears that they possess numerous strategies to maintain control over the market for specific periods.

As long as the volume of crypto transactions remains relatively low, manipulation becomes increasingly feasible. As an individual with limited capacity, I will continue to regard this as valuable information, as it implies that they are committed to sustaining the crypto space as long as they exist. In essence, they seem prepared to defend the world of crypto should it ever begin to lose trust.
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This is true, manipulation can happen anywhere and have different effects. Market manipulation, for example, can have a good effect on others but can also have a negative effect on some. Moreover, market manipulation can be big or small depending on how much changes it may cause. And yes, cryptocurrency can be manipulated in some ways as well.
I have also the same thing, if you see most of the third word country if I tell about our country situation then , There are many unscrupulous businessmen who have formed a syndicate to manipulate the market with the daily necessities of these people. Although we are not able to take any benefit from these markets, but a benefit can be taken by seeing the market manipulation in cryptocurrency.
My point is that those who do technical analysis or professional traders, short term trading means day trading, they can see the market manipulation or see the hype and invest and get some profit from here. However, Bitcoin is now rapidly spreading to the majority of people, so I think that short-term manipulation of it will gradually become difficult for those whale traders.

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September 10, 2023, 10:47:28 PM
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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

I mean most of the time and everywhere there are obviously a lot of manipulations that are happening to everything that involves money, I guess it is just because everything can be manipulated by money, but for sure not all the time the cryptocurrency market is manipulated. I mean you are right it is still a decentralized market unless you are referring to the centralized one probably that is where most of the time there is a lot of manipulation happening because there are just some tokens where the developers still have a lot of supply on there hand, so there are a lot of cases where they can easily control the market, I mean they could easily sell a large portion of there holdings and that could easily kill the coin they are holding.

It is actually really easy since people who are capable of manipulation in the market are just the one that has a big amount of holding, but for sure there are only a few people who could probably do that so most of the time if there are some manipulations it was probably a group of whales, or governments, companies, etc.

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I'd say yes; there will always be bigger competitors in any field wherein manipulation happen especially with things wherein demand is a factor to consider. This is more visible with sales industry and fields of investment. But if the question is whether it is a fair thing or not, then I'd say fair still. Big investors just have the power to manipulate and they just make use of that capability. They won't adjust to small investors simply because you are all competitors.
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Manipulation exists everywhere, especially in the economy or business.  Manipulation is inextricably linked with business. In every sector, those who are big in terms of authority try to manipulate the system.  Market manipulation is done by those who will benefit from it.  I think cryptocurrency is not out of the question.  Besides, there are big whales to manipulate the market from time to time.  But I think even if you manipulate the market it will go back to its own pace later it may be only for short time.
This is true, manipulation can happen anywhere and have different effects. Market manipulation, for example, can have a good effect on others but can also have a negative effect on some. Moreover, market manipulation can be big or small depending on how much changes it may cause. And yes, cryptocurrency can be manipulated in some ways as well.
Yes cryptocurrency is really prone to market manipulation simply because there are "whales" who could trigger big "waves" in market prices. It would be a disadvantage if you'd choose to go against their manipulation but could be an advantage if you'd go along with it.

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September 11, 2023, 04:10:30 PM
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This is true, manipulation can happen anywhere and have different effects. Market manipulation, for example, can have a good effect on others but can also have a negative effect on some. Moreover, market manipulation can be big or small depending on how much changes it may cause. And yes, cryptocurrency can be manipulated in some ways as well.

Because cryptocurrency can also be manipulated in several ways by certain parties, as cryptocurrency users we must continue to research carefully so that we can find out what things are often used by certain parties to manipulate them. These are the methods that we need to know now so that we don't fall into this manipulation because we are users who use cryptocurrencies very often in the market.

The impact does exist and is also very real because it aims to maximize profits for the perpetrator of the manipulation by causing harm to other people so I will not say that this will have a good impact on certain parties because every thing that is done using bad methods must be it is still considered bad even if one party benefits from it.
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This is true, manipulation can happen anywhere and have different effects. Market manipulation, for example, can have a good effect on others but can also have a negative effect on some. Moreover, market manipulation can be big or small depending on how much changes it may cause. And yes, cryptocurrency can be manipulated in some ways as well.

Because cryptocurrency can also be manipulated in several ways by certain parties, as cryptocurrency users we must continue to research carefully so that we can find out what things are often used by certain parties to manipulate them. These are the methods that we need to know now so that we don't fall into this manipulation because we are users who use cryptocurrencies very often in the market.

The impact does exist and is also very real because it aims to maximize profits for the perpetrator of the manipulation by causing harm to other people so I will not say that this will have a good impact on certain parties because every thing that is done using bad methods must be it is still considered bad even if one party benefits from it.
Market manipulation is much common with cryptocurrency. Particularly this can be experienced much with altcoins are centralized. The real manipulation can be experienced when the entire market is bearish and one particular altcoin bounce. If we go deep we'll come to know that particular altcoin doesn't even have a minimum viable product. Apart from this we will be able to see good number of dump and bumping service providers. The impact of those groups won't be that big, but to some extent it helps with manipulation.
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September 11, 2023, 10:38:28 PM
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In every market there's a possible of manipulation of course those are the people who hold the large number of numbers but they are not dumb enough to make sell or buy immediately still there's a marketing strategy right there for example those people who made an investment in the dip and they create a post that they bought this coin and those scalpers and fomo investors will make an investment too and sooner or later once the price goes up they make a good sell in the highest price. This is just example what we most likely experience in investments with people with large amount of percentage hodlers.

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By definition, I think that market manipulation always happens even the people that doesn't know about it are actively participating in market manipulation, what I mean is that people that are buying goods and services are the reason why the market moves so if there's an advertisement for a product or service then in a way it can be a way that the marketers manipulate the market. So in a way, market manipulation happens everywhere and it's a common occurrence.
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By definition, I think that market manipulation always happens even the people that doesn't know about it are actively participating in market manipulation, what I mean is that people that are buying goods and services are the reason why the market moves so if there's an advertisement for a product or service then in a way it can be a way that the marketers manipulate the market. So in a way, market manipulation happens everywhere and it's a common occurrence.
Basically, marketing strategy is the key to boosting sales of a product. There are many marketing strategy systems that immediately stick to our memories, so we buy them and apparently this is also experienced by many people, thus moving the market simultaneously and causing big movements. This is something that usually happens in a business, and then it depends on whether the product is able to survive and gain the trust of future consumers

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so if there's an advertisement for a product or service then in a way it can be a way that the marketers manipulate the market.
Advertising and marketing is not market manipulation, it is a strategy to attract more potential consumers thereby expanding the reach of the target market. Maybe in practice there are several marketing techniques to manipulate people's minds to encourage them to buy the product. But still it doesn't have a direct influence on statistics, it's just a possibility.

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This is true, manipulation can happen anywhere and have different effects. Market manipulation, for example, can have a good effect on others but can also have a negative effect on some. Moreover, market manipulation can be big or small depending on how much changes it may cause. And yes, cryptocurrency can be manipulated in some ways as well.

Because cryptocurrency can also be manipulated in several ways by certain parties, as cryptocurrency users we must continue to research carefully so that we can find out what things are often used by certain parties to manipulate them. These are the methods that we need to know now so that we don't fall into this manipulation because we are users who use cryptocurrencies very often in the market.

The impact does exist and is also very real because it aims to maximize profits for the perpetrator of the manipulation by causing harm to other people so I will not say that this will have a good impact on certain parties because every thing that is done using bad methods must be it is still considered bad even if one party benefits from it.
Market manipulation is much common with cryptocurrency. Particularly this can be experienced much with altcoins are centralized. The real manipulation can be experienced when the entire market is bearish and one particular altcoin bounce. If we go deep we'll come to know that particular altcoin doesn't even have a minimum viable product. Apart from this we will be able to see good number of dump and bumping service providers. The impact of those groups won't be that big, but to some extent it helps with manipulation.
Yes, it's true, market manipulation is common, even the media also manipulates markets, most of which are owned and controlled by people. Obvious market manipulation is common in these traders' playgrounds, but it helps to have a solid understanding of fundamental tactics so that the average us can at least have a fighting chance.

When you see market manipulation, what can you do to avoid getting caught in the middle of the manipulation if you still want to buy the coin? Myself When I look at altcoin prices in particular there is a lot of bot activity on certain coins in certain markets, this makes it very difficult for me to buy, for example bots place larger buy or sell orders before my buy or sell order, thereby pushing the price up or down .

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By definition, I think that market manipulation always happens even the people that doesn't know about it are actively participating in market manipulation, what I mean is that people that are buying goods and services are the reason why the market moves so if there's an advertisement for a product or service then in a way it can be a way that the marketers manipulate the market. So in a way, market manipulation happens everywhere and it's a common occurrence.
Basically, marketing strategy is the key to boosting sales of a product. There are many marketing strategy systems that immediately stick to our memories, so we buy them and apparently this is also experienced by many people, thus moving the market simultaneously and causing big movements. This is something that usually happens in a business, and then it depends on whether the product is able to survive and gain the trust of future consumers
In developing a business, of course everyone has a different marketing strategy to market the results of their production, some succeed in attracting interest from their consumers and there are also those who fail in marketing their goods. If they have good production and are successful in marketing, of course they will make a profit for their business. If the goods they produce are goods that are sought after by consumers, of course they will be able to survive for a long time in the business they have built and this can be profitable for consumers and business actors.
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September 13, 2023, 07:33:19 PM
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When you see market manipulation, what can you do to avoid getting caught in the middle of the manipulation if you still want to buy the coin?
The sole course of action I find viable, and perhaps more substantiated than others, is fundamental analysis. Indeed, everyone has their reasons for investing in cryptocurrencies, and one of the compelling rationales is the fundamentals of the related crypto asset.

Market manipulation may occur to distort or shape candlestick patterns in the desired direction. While this may seem achievable, its nature is only transient. Nothing can halt the fundamentals of a company or the related crypto asset. If the crypto or the associated company is genuinely robust, manipulators need not swim against the current. Even if they are powerful, they should not expend further resources opposing the tide of fundamental strength.
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This is true, manipulation can happen anywhere and have different effects. Market manipulation, for example, can have a good effect on others but can also have a negative effect on some. Moreover, market manipulation can be big or small depending on how much changes it may cause. And yes, cryptocurrency can be manipulated in some ways as well.

Because cryptocurrency can also be manipulated in several ways by certain parties, as cryptocurrency users we must continue to research carefully so that we can find out what things are often used by certain parties to manipulate them. These are the methods that we need to know now so that we don't fall into this manipulation because we are users who use cryptocurrencies very often in the market.

The impact does exist and is also very real because it aims to maximize profits for the perpetrator of the manipulation by causing harm to other people so I will not say that this will have a good impact on certain parties because every thing that is done using bad methods must be it is still considered bad even if one party benefits from it.
Market manipulation is much common with cryptocurrency. Particularly this can be experienced much with altcoins are centralized. The real manipulation can be experienced when the entire market is bearish and one particular altcoin bounce. If we go deep we'll come to know that particular altcoin doesn't even have a minimum viable product. Apart from this we will be able to see good number of dump and bumping service providers. The impact of those groups won't be that big, but to some extent it helps with manipulation.
Yes, it's true, market manipulation is common, even the media also manipulates markets, most of which are owned and controlled by people. Obvious market manipulation is common in these traders' playgrounds, but it helps to have a solid understanding of fundamental tactics so that the average us can at least have a fighting chance.

When you see market manipulation, what can you do to avoid getting caught in the middle of the manipulation if you still want to buy the coin? Myself When I look at altcoin prices in particular there is a lot of bot activity on certain coins in certain markets, this makes it very difficult for me to buy, for example bots place larger buy or sell orders before my buy or sell order, thereby pushing the price up or down .
Market manipulation is only can be possibly be seen or would really be that obvious on the time that sentiments do flew around but if there's nothing that you could see or simply move out without any sentiments around or really just that random then for sure you would definitely get surprised on what actually happened. We know that manipulation is really that somewhat rampant on whatever market that we are dealing with and knowing that there are several types then there's no really exemption to that on which it would really be just that normal that there would really be those people or institutions who do really love on taking advantage and knowing that they do have that financial capacity then it wont really be an issue to move markets accordingly.

On the time that you had noticed that it is really a possible act of manipulation then riding with the waves cant really be determined easily specially if you are a short term trader then this movements would really be that something preferred but if you are that someone who do hold for long term then this is something that wont really be bothering you. Not all would really be that wise and mindful
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September 13, 2023, 11:22:12 PM
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When you see market manipulation, what can you do to avoid getting caught in the middle of the manipulation if you still want to buy the coin? Myself When I look at altcoin prices in particular there is a lot of bot activity on certain coins in certain markets, this makes it very difficult for me to buy, for example bots place larger buy or sell orders before my buy or sell order, thereby pushing the price up or down .
That feeling is valid and whenever you see that, you have to take your own action of avoiding that.
Because it could have been a trap that's just been waiting to happen and you'll be stuck in the middle of it without having any consolation.
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All markets are manipulated including the crypto market because this is an investment business and manipulation is normal, the market exists because there is someone or many people who make money from the existence of the market. And this manipulation benefits those who have capital, information or insider information and aims to gain huge profits, and freedom of manipulation in crypto because no one regulates it.
and the way they manipulate the market like everyone says, basically what they do is when a group of investors decides to increase the value of a cryptocurrency to trick people into buying it at a high price, and will sell it suddenly.

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September 16, 2023, 04:08:21 PM
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All markets are manipulated including the crypto market because this is an investment business and manipulation is normal, the market exists because there is someone or many people who make money from the existence of the market. And this manipulation benefits those who have capital, information or insider information and aims to gain huge profits, and freedom of manipulation in crypto because no one regulates it.
and the way they manipulate the market like everyone says, basically what they do is when a group of investors decides to increase the value of a cryptocurrency to trick people into buying it at a high price, and will sell it suddenly.
Actually, people who have the power to manipulate a certain market do it this way; they buy at the market price, then start selling very low, and when other sellers see that they are selling way lower than them, they start reducing their prices as well, and then the manipulators buy everything from the sellers that are selling low, and then they start selling them higher than the initial market price, and that is how they earn profit over their investments.

Those who manage to stay safe from such manipulations and don't become a victim of the traps manage to earn some money as well, but most small-scale traders become victims of their tactics because they sell low with the fear that the market might crash further and that is how the manipulators get success.

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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?
Of course, manipulation happens almost every second. But the thing is, while big "whales" might sway markets temporarily, major well know coins with high marketcap like Bitcoin bounces back and recovers from the manipulation easily. I mean, those coins are affected temporarily because of the decentralized nature of the market. It's the smaller ones, like meme coins and low market cap cryptos, that are super vulnerable to these kinds of manipulation. They can be easily manipulated and controlled. Stick to coins that everyone use, and maybe you might be able to take advantage of the manipulation...

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Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?
While market manipulation is considered negative by many, some consider it a strategy for their business. Market manipulation is a very familiar term in trading platforms or financial fields. If someone does such a thing for profit then there is no chance to call him guilty. Because trading involves buying at low prices and selling at high prices. However, it is not possible to control the market in any way without a large investment in any such work. Therefore, it is not possible to control the market in the case of an individual investor. However, if a group of institutional or whale investors try to manipulate it, they can be somewhat successful. Moreover they can take some advantage from the market if they want by following the market trend and by providing some fake news.

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In every market there's a possible of manipulation of course those are the people who hold the large number of numbers but they are not dumb enough to make sell or buy immediately still there's a marketing strategy right there for example those people who made an investment in the dip and they create a post that they bought this coin and those scalpers and fomo investors will make an investment too and sooner or later once the price goes up they make a good sell in the highest price. This is just example what we most likely experience in investments with people with large amount of percentage hodlers.

In a movie scene, I once saw a scene that included how whales manipulate the stock market. They also pay the media to make articles about the stocks they manipulate and as a result these stocks can really attract a lot of investment from people who are tempted by the content. from the media they pay for and this is also not much different from in the real world, there are many manipulations created on commodities, stock markets and also currencies, so investors usually always read the latest news about economics and politics which can affect the assets which they invest in.



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September 16, 2023, 07:30:44 PM
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Advertising and marketing is not market manipulation, it is a strategy to attract more potential consumers thereby expanding the reach of the target market. Maybe in practice there are several marketing techniques to manipulate people's minds to encourage them to buy the product. But still it doesn't have a direct influence on statistics, it's just a possibility.
I agree that advertisement isn't a kind of market manipulation. There is nothing wrong with advertisement, it is a common way to invite more people joining/using a product/service. If people think an advertisement is convincing enough, they will follow it. While if the advertisement seems not interesting, people probably ignore it. So, it doesn't automatically increases the number of customers/demands, it depends on how effective and how the quality of the content of an advertisement.

It is different with market manipulation, it is the action that make an automatically raise/drop of the demand. For example when the whales manipulated the market, the price of a coin can free fall because whales are spreading FUDs through social media. Or the whales are trying to dump the price of a certain coin by selling a big number of the coin.

So, the way of an advertising (advertisement) and market manipulation are quite different.



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September 19, 2023, 03:29:05 PM
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What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?
To the best of my understanding, market manipulation can take place in a wide range of markets, from commodity, Forex to cryptocurrencies. It is not limited to any country or market type. However, the impact of market manipulation can vary widely depending on the specific context and regulatory environment in a particular location. It is generally perceived that individuals or entities with substantial financial resources, can leverage their financial clout to manipulate prices in their favor.
It is everywhere not only on those markets that you mentioned or financial market as a whole. It is not limited to one country but I believe any country has it, even if not on the same field (E.g in the financial market). Manipulation are a bad thing even if it's only small but a small one is better than the big one's because people can hardly feel it's effect.

A huge capital or money is mainly the root of these manipulations but we still can do something to prevent it. If only we won't be greedy and don't take the shady offers by these manipulators, they will not be successful with their attempts. Our lives will be much better this way. In term's of crypto market, many of us are not involved with it, like for example in Bitcoin manipulation but we are only riding it and we still can benefit with it.

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September 19, 2023, 03:58:10 PM
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What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?
To the best of my understanding, market manipulation can take place in a wide range of markets, from commodity, Forex to cryptocurrencies. It is not limited to any country or market type. However, the impact of market manipulation can vary widely depending on the specific context and regulatory environment in a particular location. It is generally perceived that individuals or entities with substantial financial resources, can leverage their financial clout to manipulate prices in their favor.
It is everywhere not only on those markets that you mentioned or financial market as a whole. It is not limited to one country but I believe any country has it, even if not on the same field (E.g in the financial market). Manipulation are a bad thing even if it's only small but a small one is better than the big one's because people can hardly feel it's effect.

A huge capital or money is mainly the root of these manipulations but we still can do something to prevent it. If only we won't be greedy and don't take the shady offers by these manipulators, they will not be successful with their attempts. Our lives will be much better this way. In term's of crypto market, many of us are not involved with it, like for example in Bitcoin manipulation but we are only riding it and we still can benefit with it.

It's literally everywhere, every country have that kind of market manipulation. Just imsgine this, we all know that the government there's always a toxic thing that exist, and we called it corruption by that they could just simply manipulate the market for them to cover up their mess cause people eventually question what happened to the funds so they would just simply manipulate the market, and increase the taxations. As they have the power and authority, they could easily manipulate the market as well the citizen of the country. But we being affected by that so we'll prefer to a decentralized system which is Bitcoin where the market manipulation could be profitable.

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September 20, 2023, 08:15:10 AM
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In a movie scene, I once saw a scene that included how whales manipulate the stock market. They also pay the media to make articles about the stocks they manipulate and as a result these stocks can really attract a lot of investment from people who are tempted by the content. from the media they pay for and this is also not much different from in the real world, there are many manipulations created on commodities, stock markets and also currencies, so investors usually always read the latest news about economics and politics which can affect the assets which they invest in.

Is the current situation similar to scenes like the films you have watched? If true, you will definitely know the ending. However, it is true, the market is very volatile, especially if BTC goes down and this is very clearly visible in altcoins whose fundamentals are minimal.

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In a movie scene, I once saw a scene that included how whales manipulate the stock market. They also pay the media to make articles about the stocks they manipulate and as a result these stocks can really attract a lot of investment from people who are tempted by the content. from the media they pay for and this is also not much different from in the real world, there are many manipulations created on commodities, stock markets and also currencies, so investors usually always read the latest news about economics and politics which can affect the assets which they invest in.

Is the current situation similar to scenes like the films you have watched? If true, you will definitely know the ending. However, it is true, the market is very volatile, especially if BTC goes down and this is very clearly visible in altcoins whose fundamentals are minimal.
What happens in the film is something that has happened in real life, it is no longer a secret that a lot of manipulation is carried out by groups of people for personal gain and those who do it are people who have strong power.
However, the ending is not always the same, some succeed and some fail.
Market manipulation is a common thing and we often see it, and many people fail because of this manipulation if the person doing it does not have strong enough power.
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Is the current situation similar to scenes like the films you have watched? If true, you will definitely know the ending. However, it is true, the market is very volatile, especially if BTC goes down and this is very clearly visible in altcoins whose fundamentals are minimal.
I don't understand the parable you are saying, because what I see now is that the market conditions for Bitcoin prices look like ocean waves with ups and downs every day. I mean everyone can see the action of very modest increases and decreases in the price of Bitcoin, but I would still really like to see Bitcoin back to $30K before the month is out.

What happens in the film is something that has happened in real life, it is no longer a secret that a lot of manipulation is carried out by groups of people for personal gain and those who do it are people who have strong power.
However, the ending is not always the same, some succeed and some fail.
Market manipulation is a common thing and we often see it, and many people fail because of this manipulation if the person doing it does not have strong enough power.
A film is a story scenario which, before it is shown, has been prepared deliberately from beginning to end and I think this will have nothing in common with the manipulation that occurs in the market because any market condition is always tied to turmoil and events that can affect the economy. So that unexpected or unexpected changes can continue to occur due to causes that we are not aware of.

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September 20, 2023, 10:57:38 AM
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What happens in the film is something that has happened in real life, it is no longer a secret that a lot of manipulation is carried out by groups of people for personal gain and those who do it are people who have strong power.
However, the ending is not always the same, some succeed and some fail.
Market manipulation is a common thing and we often see it, and many people fail because of this manipulation if the person doing it does not have strong enough power.
A film is a story scenario which, before it is shown, has been prepared deliberately from beginning to end and I think this will have nothing in common with the manipulation that occurs in the market because any market condition is always tied to turmoil and events that can affect the economy. So that unexpected or unexpected changes can continue to occur due to causes that we are not aware of.
I think market manipulation is common knowledge. But market manipulation is actually more common in stock and crypto trading. Where the price is inflated gradually and attracts victims to join the rising wave. And when people start to hype and more and more people enter the market and make prices rise without any definite reason or without any fundamental news. And we should avoid trades that have such characteristics. Because the price is prone to being dropped quickly.

Meanwhile, in traditional markets, such as food prices, market manipulation is actually more difficult. Because it requires greater capital, such as to stock a food product in large quantities, this reduces market supply and makes market stock insufficient to meet all customer demand in the market. And that's when prices will balloon high. And when the price is high enough, people even start to think about stocking up on materials because they are afraid that the price will rise even higher. And that's when the manipulator will take advantage by selling products that he has stocked in large quantities. But this will be done in certain stages. But in traditional markets there is rarely a rapid price decline like in the stock and crypto markets. So market manipulation sometimes goes unnoticed and prices will fall slowly and appear to be normal.
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September 20, 2023, 11:10:06 AM
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In a movie scene, I once saw a scene that included how whales manipulate the stock market. They also pay the media to make articles about the stocks they manipulate and as a result these stocks can really attract a lot of investment from people who are tempted by the content. from the media they pay for and this is also not much different from in the real world, there are many manipulations created on commodities, stock markets and also currencies, so investors usually always read the latest news about economics and politics which can affect the assets which they invest in.

Is the current situation similar to scenes like the films you have watched? If true, you will definitely know the ending. However, it is true, the market is very volatile, especially if BTC goes down and this is very clearly visible in altcoins whose fundamentals are minimal.
What happens in the film is something that has happened in real life, it is no longer a secret that a lot of manipulation is carried out by groups of people for personal gain and those who do it are people who have strong power.
However, the ending is not always the same, some succeed and some fail.
Market manipulation is a common thing and we often see it, and many people fail because of this manipulation if the person doing it does not have strong enough power.
About 20 years ago, when automated trading was poorly developed, even inexperienced traders were allowed to trade with big money. Even they could move small-cap stocks. I think in those wild times there was a lot of chaos going on in the markets. Some of them didn't even realize much, although the small traders thought that it was someone very influential who was making big candles down and up.

When they talk about market manipulation, I immediately remember how in 1992 George Soros decided to play on the fall of the pound sterling, collapsing the British currency to its historical low. In one day he managed to earn $1 billion. That's who really manipulated the market. People of this order try not to make their personalities widely known. Therefore, there are many such stories, but we do not know their names, and perhaps we will never know.

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September 20, 2023, 12:19:58 PM
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Advertising and marketing is not market manipulation, it is a strategy to attract more potential consumers thereby expanding the reach of the target market. Maybe in practice there are several marketing techniques to manipulate people's minds to encourage them to buy the product. But still it doesn't have a direct influence on statistics, it's just a possibility.
I agree that advertisement isn't a kind of market manipulation. There is nothing wrong with advertisement, it is a common way to invite more people joining/using a product/service. If people think an advertisement is convincing enough, they will follow it. While if the advertisement seems not interesting, people probably ignore it. So, it doesn't automatically increases the number of customers/demands, it depends on how effective and how the quality of the content of an advertisement.

It is different with market manipulation, it is the action that make an automatically raise/drop of the demand. For example when the whales manipulated the market, the price of a coin can free fall because whales are spreading FUDs through social media. Or the whales are trying to dump the price of a certain coin by selling a big number of the coin.

So, the way of an advertising (advertisement) and market manipulation are quite different.

Equating advertisement with market manipulation is a misunderstanding of market operations. Advertising is about getting in touch with people, giving them information, and maybe even convincing them. Do you always buy what you see in ads? No! People can make choices. They think about it, figure it out, and then make a choice

Market manipulation, especially in crypto with the so-called "whales", is an entirely different beast. Setting up the game is what it's all about, not informing or convincing. It's not persuasion when prices drop because a whale chose to spread false rumors or sell a lot of a coin. It's economic treachery

If you think that advertising and market influence are the same thing, you need to learn the big differences between them. To get through the complicated modern economy and fight for fair, open market practices, we need a good understanding of it

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September 20, 2023, 01:40:13 PM
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Equating advertisement with market manipulation is a misunderstanding of market operations. Advertising is about getting in touch with people, giving them information, and maybe even convincing them. Do you always buy what you see in ads? No! People can make choices. They think about it, figure it out, and then make a choice

Market manipulation, especially in crypto with the so-called "whales", is an entirely different beast. Setting up the game is what it's all about, not informing or convincing. It's not persuasion when prices drop because a whale chose to spread false rumors or sell a lot of a coin. It's economic treachery

If you think that advertising and market influence are the same thing, you need to learn the big differences between them. To get through the complicated modern economy and fight for fair, open market practices, we need a good understanding of it
Most of the time advertisement can't be consider as market manipulation since I agree with you that people has choices and advertisement goal is to convince people to buy or use their products. But there are times that it can be a little bit manipulative like showing an advertisement that shows defamation to another obvious product company. It's illegal but advertisers can pass through it by doing indirect defamation to another company like branding as X and comparing. This is widely done before and the manipulation happen when people starts to avoid this Brand X that is showed to the advertisement.

The contents of the advertisement maybe fact but it's an evil thing to do when advertising. I've seen it done back then, rumors can start about that certain brand which positively affects the one who put up the advertisement given that they are the one who are on the good side of that advertisement.
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