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Recently 3 people left me 3 red tags for absolutely no "good" reason, and nobody said anything, and even if anyone said something, nobody else cared, but if I was a DT member, they wouldn't have dared to tag me.
You're acting a little naive here, aren't you? You have a negative tag from 6 different members, also, the neutral tag has bad epithets for you, this is not accidental. There is no good reason for negative feedback, they always come because of bad things and reasons. Think a little better about the second part of your statement, isn't it logical that if you have a proven red tag on your account, you shouldn't be a DT? Although there are exceptions here as well DT1 and DT2 members who have negative feedback (or are banned)
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November 04, 2023, 01:40:02 AM Last edit: November 04, 2023, 02:35:18 AM by 1miau |
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your top fans are 1miau and fillippone, which conclusions should we make of that? My conclusions: GazetaBitcoin has translated many of our topics and GazetaBitcoin has co-sponsored several innovative campaigns like this one: Campaign to improve posting quality for local boardsIt is probably true, but it was years ago. So you admit that he plagiarized LMAO! Probably, he forgot about it as well and as we know from recent cases that's enough to get away with plagiarism nowadays... And, we need to have a consideration, too: which message is being sent here, if someone can plagiarize multiple times, even gets caught, provides a very weak excuse (which is basically a justification because "posts are 2 years old" and he "forgot about it") and for all of this, he get's away and NOTHING happens, not even a temporary signature ban. What message is sending this to abusers? You can plagiarize, you can do it multiple times, you can be a participant in a paid signature campaign, while doing it, you can get caught - but you won't get ANY consequences...
1miau This is because these users are examples, indeed. They are also Merit Sources and (with few exceptions) DT1 users. And they act fair and decent. Thanks for the joke OP. Wow, seems like you are still butthurt for the 2 negative trusts you received recently. So, it's 6 negative trusts for you and still counting.
After watching all the past days (weeks?), I've really tried to give Ratimov the benefit of doubt here that the whole issue will be settled in a nice way. But after these past actions, it's pretty clear that the outcome is not satisfying and as a logical conclusion, I've no different choice from distrusting ~Ratimov. There are just too many incidents. I would really like to avoid that step but for now, I don't see any valid arguments left to continue to give him the benefit of doubt.
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If you are loaded with reasons the best thing you can do is to stop being ironic and insulting, as I think you have already stopped doing in some cases, for example by stopping writing Ratimov, you will be much better off. It is a mistake I made in the past and looking at it from the fence the best thing you can do is to provide rational arguments, emotionally neutral, and let things fall under their own weight.
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Week after week more and more people open their eyes and react to Ratimov's disgusting abuses / shenanigans and intellectual theft: Thank you all for taking action against this fraudster!
After watching all the past days (weeks?), I've really tried to give Ratimov the benefit of doubt here that the whole issue will be settled in a nice way. But after these past actions, it's pretty clear that the outcome is not satisfying and as a logical conclusion, I've no different choice from distrusting ~Ratimov. There are just too many incidents. Thank you for involving in this, 1miau!
If you are loaded with reasons the best thing you can do is to stop being ironic and insulting Insulting? Pardon me, but if I am insulting, then what do you call this: Ha ha, stupid motherfucker [...] son of a Romanian whore who was gang-raped. Son of a Romanian whore ? About being ironic -- this is part of me. I had it before Ratimov started "spoiling" me; I have it now too; and I'll have it for the rest of my life. Perhaps if you'd be "spoiled" with such nice words too, you'd take him in your arms and thank him for his kind words?
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Insulting? Pardon me, but if I am insulting You are insulting. then what do you call this: I call it: "Irrelevant"! You seem to be missing the point. Nobody is trying to stop Ratimov from insulting people anymore, which means others have given up on that. In your case, there's still hope of improvement. That's a good thing! If someone can get to your nerves on the internet, you are giving them way too much power. Who cares what someone who's opinion you don't value thinks about you? Unless you want to lower yourself to their level, of course. Sincerely, Switzerland.
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I would add that I think Ratimov, after the fuck-up he made with the thread deletion, is playing his cards right atm, not getting into the fray. I guess he'll wait for things to cool down over time.
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Why LV never left a feedback like this: "Stupid degenerate, liar and shitposter."? Why fillippone never left a feedback like this: ""Stupid degenerate, liar and shitposter."? Why 1miau never wrote a feedback like this: "A fuckhead with a broken head. After being raped by all the WEX employees, taking all his mother's money [...]"? <snip> Have anyone accused The Pharmacist of feddback extortion? <snip> The answer to all these questions is "No".
I feel like I must chime in to say that I have left negative feedbacks like the ones above about shitposting, but that was before the merit system and the trust system was the only powerful tool DT members had to combat the plague that was going on at the time. I had to delete a ton of feedback after January 2018 because after that it was a strict no-no to neg someone for being a shitposter. In addition, nobody ever accused me of feedback extortion but there was certainly a lot of controversy about the trust I was leaving (and actmyname, too). But as in so many other things, it was worked out by the community communicating just as we are here. I'm no angel, and I'm not even sure I'm worthy of that praise you shot my way, but I try to be a somewhat steadying influence nowadays. I did not start out that way, and that's something I thought I should clarify. Recently 3 people left me 3 red tags for absolutely no "good" reason, and nobody said anything, and even if anyone said something, nobody else cared, but if I was a DT member, they wouldn't have dared to tag me.
OK, but to be fair I took a look at the first page of your sent feedback, and you've left negs on people for promoting closed-source HW wallets, which I find to be inappropriate. A neutral might be fair, but why in the world would you give a red trust to somebody for that reason? Account selling, fine. You and I both agree that can seriously affect the forum in a negative way, but I'd suggest reevaluating some of the red trust you've left before complaining about the red trust you've got. I recently added DaveF to my trust list and I see that he was one of the members who negged you. I might have to take a look into that.
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I had to delete a ton of feedback after January 2018 because after that it was a strict no-no to neg someone for being a shitposter. In addition, nobody ever accused me of feedback extortion but there was certainly a lot of controversy about the trust I was leaving (and actmyname, too). But as in so many other things, it was worked out by the community communicating just as we are here.
I think leaving a neutral for it is fine. It is interesting to me that actmyname's neutral ratings are some of the only neutrals that matter as far as campaign managers are concerned. But they are well-reasoned: a shitload of spam reports against the user were marked as "Good", according to him, and why would he lie about that (I don't think that he would). I'm no angel, and I'm not even sure I'm worthy of that praise you shot my way, but I try to be a somewhat steadying influence nowadays. I did not start out that way, and that's something I thought I should clarify.
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OK, but to be fair I took a look at the first page of your sent feedback, and you've left negs on people for promoting closed-source HW wallets, which I find to be inappropriate. A neutral might be fair, but why in the world would you give a red trust to somebody for that reason? Account selling, fine. You and I both agree that can seriously affect the forum in a negative way, but I'd suggest reevaluating some of the red trust you've left before complaining about the red trust you've got.
I recently added DaveF to my trust list and I see that he was one of the members who negged you. I might have to take a look into that.
My ratings won't show, so it doesn't matter, but since you mentioned it, they were promoting a phishing/fake wallet/link, that's why the topic was removed by mods. About DaveF, you can read his original reason here, but recently he did it again, to defend "forum members", just a typical bully, you have to deal with bullies with brute force, just like what happened here, but even though I don't think OP's main concern is to punish a "cheater" or trust abuser, this is deeper and you have to find the root. Otherwise why nobody else tagged Ratimov for trust abuse and plagiarizing on top? Why are most of the DT members refrain from tagging other DTs for reasons as trust abuse, "trolling" "harassing"? Because of the possibility of retaliation. No worries though, I have no official complaints, God willing sooner or later their wealth will hang on my reputation, how they say it? If you spit upwards, it lands back on your face, or something like that.😉
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I think leaving a neutral for it is fine. It is interesting to me that actmyname's neutral ratings are some of the only neutrals that matter as far as campaign managers are concerned. But they are well-reasoned: a shitload of spam reports against the user were marked as "Good", according to him, and why would he lie about that (I don't think that he would).
Yep, and actmyname did the right thing as far as changing his negs to neutrals. In my case, I didn't think changing all of the negatives I left to neutrals would have any effect, so I did the easiest thing and just deleted them. Now that you mentioned that actmyname's neutrals did make a difference in the eyes of campaign managers....wow, I regret not taking the time to do what he did. On the other hand, there was probably a lot of overlap between the two of us. We were both on a rampage back then. "Lawd have mercy." - Sizable African-American Lady
I have no idea what you're referring to; please don't clarify the above; and let's just move forward and not return to wherever it is that quote came from. LOL.
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I think leaving a neutral for it is fine. It is interesting to me that actmyname's neutral ratings are some of the only neutrals that matter as far as campaign managers are concerned. But they are well-reasoned: a shitload of spam reports against the user were marked as "Good", according to him, and why would he lie about that (I don't think that he would).
In fact, I listen to neutral feedback from many users, it's just that actmyname's tags are the most common, which is why I mentioned them.
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November 05, 2023, 09:25:19 AM |
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My ratings won't show, so it doesn't matter, but since you mentioned it, they were promoting a phishing/fake wallet/link, that's why the topic was removed by mods. Of course, it matters digaran! No matter what people did with you. You should not do what they did with you. If you believe they used the system incorrectly (which I doubt), you should not do the same. If you do the same, what is the difference between you and them? I am not in the DT network, and I am very far from that because several DT members already added me to their exclusion list. That does not really mean I have to use the system however I want. The only way to get rid of it (get rid of their exclusion) is by contributing positively and showing them that I am improving. I believe I don't have to ask them to remove the exclusion once they notice I have improved myself. If I continue using the system incorrectly, it won't fix things. Let's say ten people distrust you at this moment. If they see you are using the system incorrectly, more people will distrust you. But If they see you have removed your old posts/feedback that are controversial and using the system correctly, they are likely to remove you from their exclusion list. That's what I feel. I have no idea what you're referring to; please don't clarify the above; and let's just move forward and not return to wherever it is that quote came from. LOL.
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Insulting? Pardon me, but if I am insulting You are insulting. If it means something, I have this impression too. I would agree with Poker Player's statement, that it is bad to criticize the insult by insulting. I would add that I think Ratimov, after the fuck-up he made with the thread deletion, is playing his cards right atm, not getting into the fray. I guess he'll wait for things to cool down over time.
Well, he doesn't play cards well. He may not be active in this discussion, but he again resorted to revenge moves and everyone who excluded or distrusted him on the trust list, retaliated in kind. So, for example, he moved The Sceptical Chymist directly from trust to distrust on his list.
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November 05, 2023, 01:25:42 PM |
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So, for example, he moved The Sceptical Chymist directly from trust to distrust on his list.
That's retaliation possibly. The problem is that most of the users use the custom trust list to get themselves into DT and get more strength in terms of inclusion while the custom trust list should be used for personal benefits like- utilizing when we trade here, when it comes to trust someone with fund.
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So, for example, he moved The Sceptical Chymist directly from trust to distrust on his list.
Now he is speaking without saying a word It's like don't dare to talk against me, else you will be fucked by me. I assume this isn't a smart move from Ratimov. He could have handled this situation in a better way than how it's going now. The mass thread deleting had a bad impact on Ratimov and this mass modification of his trust list shows he does not really care about using the system accordingly. This is natural human behavior, to be honest. But I believe smart people learn from their mistakes.
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You are insulting. Seeing that not just one person thinks the same, I'll take count about that and I'll try to refrain myself even more. Thank you for opening my eyes!
Well, he doesn't play cards well. He may not be active in this discussion, but he again resorted to revenge moves and everyone who excluded or distrusted him on the trust list, retaliated in kind. This is exactly Ratimov at his best. For those which did not pay attention this is exactly what he did for all the years since he got his position of power. Perhaps more DT users will see this and will take action about these constant abuses. So, for example, he moved The Sceptical Chymist directly from trust to distrust on his list. Furthermore, he acted precisely the same way the other DT users acted. For example, bullrun2020bro and CryptopreneurBrainboss only stopped trusting him and he did the same -- he deleted them from his Trust list. The other ones added him to their distrust list and he proceeded the same with The Pharmacist, 1miau, iwantmyhomepaidwithbtc2, suchmoon, Learn Bitcoin and holydarkness. There are 2 inconsistencies though: he added light_warrior to his distrust list, although this user did not distrust him, only stopped trusting him. And he did not distrust Foxpup too. Perhaps he was in frenzy and could not act very thoroughly. /s
It's like don't dare to talk against me, else you will be fucked by me. Yes, this is Ratimov's style. I tried to explain this in OP with various words: The problem is the abuse of Trust system made by Ratimov, for years. For years in a row he leaves incorrect feedbacks -- negative ones consisting only in insults and in many cases with no reference link. He uses Trust system as a weapon against anyone which would ever dare to say something about him.
At same time, for those which missed this, be aware that, among the dozens of topics he deleted he included also his Merit Source application. This is how much this user appreciates the topic which helped him, in part, to obtain all the power he managed to achieve. While it's not forbidden to delete a topic containing a Merit Source application, I consider it a sign of disrespect for the forum and for the user himself. Based on that topic Ratimov earned a ton of sMerit, which he used to feed his army of minions. Then he deletes his application, making a mockery from his Merit Source statute. There is no other Merit Source which did that.
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While it's not forbidden to delete a topic containing a Merit Source application, I consider it a sign of disrespect for the forum and for the user himself. Based on that topic Ratimov earned a ton of sMerit, which he used to feed his army of minions. Then he deletes his application, making a mockery from his Merit Source statute. There is no other Merit Source which did that.
I think it would be ok to remove the thread if he requested theymos to un-merit-source him... which I don't think he did, given that we've had 109 sources with 33940 smerits for a while now and I doubt that he was replaced with an equivalent merit source. Anyway, this is neither here nor there. Sending or receiving merits is not evidence of anything, particularly when a merit source needs to dump 500+ merits every month... trust me, I know
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Well, instead of apologizing for what happened and trying to improve instead, the result is quite clear that there's no intention to admit / improve anything. Sad to see but it really looks like everyone did the right thing by going for the distrust here. How could someone show better, that he didn't learn anything or even didn't want to learn anything? Sometimes hope for betterment is wasted.
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Well, he doesn't play cards well. He may not be active in this discussion, but he again resorted to revenge moves and everyone who excluded or distrusted him on the trust list, retaliated in kind.
You're right, I hadn't realized that and it doesn't seem like a good move. It could still be worse, though, if he was active in this discussion with insults and such. Anyway, unless something else happens I see it unlikely that he will fall out of the DT1 lottery, as I think most of those who still trust him will continue to do so if everything stays the same.
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Let me start with this: Users on DT should be level-headed.he again resorted to revenge moves and everyone who excluded or distrusted him on the trust list @Ratimov: this is not how the Trust system is supposed to be used. See: List the users who you trust to have good trust ratings and good trust lists The fact that they excluded you doesn't mean their sent feedback and Trust list are suddenly bad. The fact that more and more (veteran) users excluded you, should make you reconsider some of your own actions. Instead, you're excluding users from the Trust system based on retaliation. That's bad, it now looks like you can't handle your hurt ego. Combined with the fact that some of the feedback you left isn't objective, but filled with rage, and that this has been going on for years, I've now excluded you from my Trust list. I recommend anyone to consider doing the same. I want to ask the users who still trust Ratimov's judgement to have a good look at Ratimov's Trust list (do you still agree with his inclusions and exclusions?) and Ratimov's sent feedback (is this objective and aimed at making the forum a better place?). Those users currently trust Ratimov's judgement: @Ratimov: feel free to retaliate, that seems to be your thing. Just know that the users who excluded me are not exactly the most upstanding citizens of Bitcointalk. You'll be in terrible company: So, the question is: do you want to add your name to this list?
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