Should Ratimov aka Symmetrick be in DT1?

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

I believe that this possibility is very unlikely. This topics gathered already 3222 views and it had almost 200 before having any post. LV's thread exposing Ratimov's pathetic attempts to colver his plagiarism by deleting his old threads has 1200+ views. Most likely, a big part of DT users noticed these threads but are still intimidated by this individual.

jokers10 did not find anything wrong with Ratimov, he is convinced that everything is good with him. zasad@ seems cool too. At least these two were involved in the discussions. I will need to check their feedback leaving history and their DT list to check the ratio of backscratching before I make a decision of including or excluding them in or from my trust list. If it looks like that they have same opinion with controversial cases like this then there will be no doubt they are supporting members who supports them in return.

I don't think I have anything new to say about JollyGood who thinks Ratimov is someone who is 1000 times better than me and have contributed in the forum 1000 times better than me. According to JollyGood it seems he is one of the top respected forum member and rest of us are just garbage of the forum.

The current DT status of him not in DT1 anymore is temporary, in the next shuffle there is a good chance for him to comeback unless some of the key members who have good DT strength will not exclude him or distrust him. Such members are: wwzsocki, Gianluca95, thandie, tmfp, klarki, nimogsm, my luck, Wapfika, FutureBitcoin, dimonstration, giammangiato, imhoneer, KTChampions, Smartprofit, Coin-1, Julien_Olynpic, Bitcoin_Arena, tvplus006 , witcher_sense, sky999, bubbalex, taikuri13, madnessteat, FontSeli, YOSHIE, Stalker22, ajanwalker, Charles-Tim, execijutiere, _BlackStar, Shamm, KingsDen, Synchronice, SatoPrincess, Silence Scream, Jossque.

I will be shuffling my trust list in the coming few weeks and there will be a major changes in it. I do think anyone who does not see anything wrong and so much blind about everything even after they are unfolded so nicely, do not deserve to be in DT and support the mess created by Ratimov. Also I will need to observe how many of these member starts to distrust me knowing that they might be distrusted by one vote sooner or later.

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[Synchronice]

I want to ask the users who still trust Ratimov's judgement to have a good look at Ratimov's Trust list (do you still agree with his inclusions and exclusions?) and Ratimov's sent feedback (is this objective and aimed at making the forum a better place?). Those users currently trust Ratimov's judgement:

Seems, I am into the game where I don't know the rules well. I added him into my trust list because he helped me two or three times to rank up and not only me, he helped other users too without asking. Then, I noticed that he is trusted by many and he also has some good threads, like this¹ and also this².

It's not like I trust him with everything but I think (or thought, I need time to figure out everything) he is a better member than others, that's probably how my trust list works. Seems, I don't know the rules well.

By the way, I will be glad if someone enlightens me about the importance of trust system on this forum. I don't understand how can someone abuse it and play with it like it's a real power. Does anyone really care about the left feedback without reading proofs? If there is a negative feedback left on me without proofs, does it matter if it's left by LoyceV (don't get it wrong) or by any random newbie?
Give me some time, probably days or 1-2 weeks, I can't just sit and focus entirely on it. I'll read more about trust system on this forum and I'll also check Ratimov's story and activity in details, then I'll make a decision. I'll also check every user that I have added in my trust list.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Seems, I am into the game where I don't know the rules well. I added him into my trust list because he helped me two or three times to rank up and not only me, he helped other users too without asking. Then, I noticed that he is trusted by many and he also has some good threads, like this¹ and also this².

When someone is creating good posts you appreciate them with merit, when someone helps you to rank up, you can make a post to appreciate them in public. But none of these have anything to do with adding or excluding anyone from Trust list unless it is a concept about how they see the system. Fact is Ratimov was using your ignorance and all those helps were just to take the advantage of your unknown territory. Many like you are victim of it and giving him the power to abuse the system without knowing the result or your inclusion.

If you are not sure about how the Default trust system works then it better not to add/remove anymore from your trust list. Keep it empty. Study the general concept of trust list, ask questions about it in a separate topic to clear your understanding. I am glad finally you evolved in the discussion and I hope you will learn many things about trust system from the discussion.

[mindrust]

Interesting that ratimov did everything to get to where he is today (or should I said yesterday), made his account a dt1 member, gained lots of trust and even though he cheated, he could have gotten through this without taking that much damage. All he had to do was apologize. He could have said “Yes I was a cheater before but I have seen the light and from now on I am going to church every week.” and many people wouldn’t have distrusted him. It is because people are stup… no no that’s not the word i was looking for… it is because people are forgiving. But no, he had to fight the Corleone family. Train vs human. Train wins again. Rip all them dt1 efforts

[GazetaBitcoin]

I added him into my trust list because he helped me two or three times to rank up and not only me, he helped other users too without asking. Then, I noticed that he is trusted by many and he also has some good threads, like this¹ and also this².

If this is how people use Trust system, this is bad. Very bad. And it only proves my statement from OP:

Together with plagiarism / copy-paste / bragging himself, Ratimov also became a merit source. As a merit source he managed to organize an army of minions supporting him in many ways, because he was meriting them.

If there was any doubt about that now here's proof in plain sight: a Hero user (Hero!!!), having no idea how Trust should be used, although he is on the forum for more than 2 years already, which admits that he added Ratimov on his Trust list because of merit showers and for reading 2 topics.

Makes sense, right?

I hope that, at least, DT users don't add people on their Trust lists because they helpd them to rank up or for reading 1-2 topics.

By the way, I will be glad if someone enlightens me about the importance of trust system on this forum.

You can find here LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system.

I don't understand how can someone abuse it and play with it like it's a real power.

Then read OP thoroughly. You'll understand.

jokers10 did not find anything wrong with Ratimov, he is convinced that everything is good with him.

jokers10 will not find anything wrong with Ratimov even if he would be banned. Even in such case, for jokers10 Ratimov would be just a victim of the system.

zasad@ seems cool too.

Of course zasad@ is cool, after he received 964 merits from Ratimov. How could not be cool after 964 merits? /s

I don't think I have anything new to say about JollyGood who thinks Ratimov is someone who is 1000 times better than me and have contributed in the forum 1000 times better than me. According to JollyGood it seems he is one of the top respected forum member and rest of us are just garbage of the forum.

Please be aware that JG just stopped trusting Ratimov.

in the next shuffle there is a good chance for him to comeback unless some of the key members who have good DT strength will not exclude him or distrust him. Such members are: wwzsocki, Gianluca95, thandie, tmfp, klarki, nimogsm, my luck, Wapfika, FutureBitcoin, dimonstration, giammangiato, imhoneer, KTChampions, Smartprofit, Coin-1, Julien_Olynpic, Bitcoin_Arena, tvplus006 , witcher_sense, sky999, bubbalex, taikuri13, madnessteat, FontSeli, YOSHIE, Stalker22, ajanwalker, Charles-Tim, execijutiere, _BlackStar, Shamm, KingsDen, Synchronice, SatoPrincess, Silence Scream, Jossque.

Stalker22 also stopped trusting Ratimov. He did not distrust him, similar to almost all other users which trusted him then deleted him from their Trust lists but, at least, he stopped trusting him. 1miau is the only one which trusted Ratimov then distrusted him.

[Plaguedeath]

It's not like I trust him with everything but I think (or thought, I need time to figure out everything) he is a better member than others, that's probably how my trust list works. Seems, I don't know the rules well.

Of course helping someone to rank up is a good deeds as long as the user is deserved, you can call Ratimov is a good guy, but it has no correlation with feedback he left and his trust list, this two parts are used to judge whenever someone should be included or excluded from your trust list.

By the way, I will be glad if someone enlightens me about the importance of trust system on this forum.

Read LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system

I don't understand how can someone abuse it and play with it like it's a real power. Does anyone really care about the left feedback without reading proofs? If there is a negative feedback left on me without proofs, does it matter if it's left by LoyceV (don't get it wrong) or by any random newbie?

It's because you not learn about that, this case is nothing new since many people use feedback and trust list for retaliation purpose.

Feedback isn't always need to have a reference check here.

It is easier to open the page at bpip.org
DT1 strength: https://bpip.org/Report?r=dtstrength
DT2 strength: https://bpip.org/Report?r=dt2strength

Didn't know something like this, thanks.

Ratimov removed all of his feedbacks, my speculation is he start to ignore the global board and only participate in his local board[/url].

[LoyceV]

@Ratimov: feel free to retaliate, that seems to be your thing. Just know that the users who excluded me are not exactly the most upstanding citizens of Bitcointalk. You'll be in terrible company:

It's true and this part made me laugh when I was reading it. But it sounds like you are threatening him not to do that.

For the record: it wasn't meant to be a threat. More like a warning of how it makes him look.

This still applies (both for GazetaBitcoin as well as for Ratimov):

My take: both of you should remove the negative feedback. If I would loan either one of you $100, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't scam me. That's what the Trust system is for, and that means negative feedback is unwarranted.
You guys don't like each other: that's okay! Agree to disagree. Ignore each other. Or get a beer together. Find common ground instead of drama.

@GazetaBitcoin: go for neutral! Ratimov is off DT1, isn't it time to de-escalate further?

we know LoyceV's weight.

Lol.

Maybe I should have done it earlier, but I'm not a supporter of crucifying and expelling someone from the forum. I expected a different epilogue.

I feel the same. I like to be sure enough so I don't have to change feedback or Trust list entries any time soon again.

I think he "played his card wrong", majority of the DTs were ready to refrain from taking action, understand [probably hoping] that he'll learn from his past mistakes. His recent retaliatory backfired.

When it comes to Trust inclusions, I've accepted that I can't and don't have to agree with everything. But if the number of actions I don't agree with keeps increasing, eventually the scale tips to the other side. I think it's a good thing more DT-members are like that. There's no need to rush decisions based on incidents.

I believe that majority of DT users were intimidated by the possibility they'll be excluded by him as well

There are others reasons not to rush to exclude anyone.

Seems, I am into the game where I don't know the rules well. I added him into my trust list because he helped me two or three times to rank up

That sounds a lot like buying your vote. Luckily, since nobody trusts your judgement, it doesn't matter much. You should probably read my Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system ^{(I know I'm the third person mentioning that now)} though, so you include users for the right reasons.

[GazetaBitcoin]

jokers10 did not find anything wrong with Ratimov, he is convinced that everything is good with him.

jokers10 will not find anything wrong with Ratimov even if he would be banned. Even in such case, for jokers10 Ratimov would be just a victim of the system.

Oh, wait! What is this? Sacré bleu! Could it be?



By what miracle? But how? I am shocked!

BitcoinGirl.Club, aren't you shocked too? jokers10 just stopped trusting Ratimov! Of course,he did not distrust him, as his spirit of defending his master is still alive inside him but still, he stopped trusting him! At least for the appearance in front of others, of course.

In this case, I still hope both of you will see you're doing it wrong. That includes your latest negative feedback: I think that one should also be neutral.

Due to my high respect to you, I will think about that.

Done.

[Synchronice]

Together with plagiarism / copy-paste / bragging himself, Ratimov also became a merit source. As a merit source he managed to organize an army of minions supporting him in many ways, because he was meriting them.

If there was any doubt about that now here's proof in plain sight: a Hero user (Hero!!!), having no idea how Trust should be used, although he is on the forum for more than 2 years already, which admits that he added Ratimov on his Trust list because of merit showers and for reading 2 topics.

Makes sense, right?

I hope that, at least, DT users don't add people on their Trust lists because they helpd them to rank up or for reading 1-2 topics.

First of all, you are very wrong about me, chill.
I am not his minion and and his support has nothing to do with helping me to rank up, I have never asked for anyone to merit me, never ever. My point was that this user helps high quality posters to rank up (exclude me if you want) and when I saw his list of users whom he helped, I understood that he reads their posts and doesn't randomly choose them, I think this is not his negative side. Then I see that this user also creates some good topics, like the ones I included above and his merits probably prove that he is not a low quality poster.

Also, there are the following guys in my trust list: davef, oeleo, notatether. Did they buy me? C'mon. I like them, like what they do, appreciate them and that's why I added them.

Yes, I am a hero member but I have never put much importance on trust system. When I have a technical question, trust doesn't matter for me. When I want to answer someone whether Ledger is a good choice or not, trust doesn't matter for me. I don't trade with anyone on this forum, at least yet.
Also, I apologized if I used it wrongly and said I'll be more careful.

That sounds a lot like buying your vote.

C'mon, read my response above this quote. I just thought he was a good guy like DaveF and others that are in my list. No one has ever bought me and I have never asked for anything on this forum. I think I don't deserve this title.

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jokers10 did not find anything wrong with Ratimov, he is convinced that everything is good with him. zasad@ seems cool too.

I suggest that they give you the passwords of their accounts so that you can edit their trust lists the way you think is right.
Do not pressure or impose your opinion on anyone. Maybe someone doesn't want to give in to your pressure because they don't have enough trust in your judgement. Everyone should make their own decision based on personal assessment.

The current DT status of him not in DT1 anymore is temporary, in the next shuffle there is a good chance for him to comeback unless some of the key members who have good DT strength will not exclude him or distrust him.

I think that it will be very difficult to happen. He started this week with 6 DT strengths, having 12 DT1 inclusions and 5 exclusions. He is now out of DT selection, which means that he has gotten at least 7 new ~ from DT1. A good part of those members will be selected again in DT1, and some new ones ^{from their distrusted by} list will be added.
At the same time, he lost the ability to choose DT2, so users for whom he is a crucial vote also lose DT1 potential. For example, check wwzsocki. His only DT1 inclusion is from Ratimov, who is no longer that, which will almost certainly exclude him in the next reshuffle.

By the way, I will be glad if someone enlightens me about the importance of trust system on this forum.

You can find here LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system.

Also one of the reasons why I hesitated for a long time and finally made the decision I did. It's okay if you don't know or don't understand something but Ratimov has repeatedly emphasized in his threads that he is an experienced forum member. It's simple, if you are experienced here, don't make beginner mistakes ignore them even later. I expected better from him regarding this drama.

[jokers10]

jokers10 will not find anything wrong with Ratimov even if he would be banned. Even in such case, for jokers10 Ratimov would be just a victim of the system.

Oh, wait! What is this? Sacré bleu! Could it be?



By what miracle? But how? I am shocked!

BitcoinGirl.Club, aren't you shocked too? jokers10 just stopped trusting Ratimov! Of course,he did not distrust him, as his spirit of defending his master is still alive inside him but still, he stopped trusting him! At least for the appearance in front of others, of course.

Stop inviting me to this topic! It is impolite.

Most things you did in this topic say more about you than about Ratimov. The way you interpret other people's actions among them.

You are again wrong in your interpretation. I've just excluded Ratimov from my trust list, but not basing on your words or the words of BitcoinGirl.Club (BitcoinGirl.Club, you are welcome to make a research, all data is public, right for that everyone can make his own research) who both have personal conflicts with Ratimov, but basing on what Ratimov does himself. Deleting all feedback leaves no sense in it.

You're still not convincing in this case.

[GazetaBitcoin]

This is getting more and more ridiculous.

First of all, you are very wrong about me, chill.

I am wrong? With what?

I am not his minion and and his support has nothing to do with helping me to rank up

Lol, no? I thought this is precisely what you wrote above:

I added him into my trust list because he helped me two or three times to rank up

Now it's not that anymore?

Then I see that this user also creates some good topics, like the ones I included above and his merits probably prove that he is not a low quality poster.

Lol! Have you ever read OP? Have you seen that this individual earned a few thousands of merits by plagiarizing the work of other authors?

Also, there are the following guys in my trust list: davef, oeleo, notatether. Did they buy me? C'mon. I like them, like what they do, appreciate them and that's why I added them.

You like them? LMAO! You added them because you like them? Where do you think you are? In high school? Trying to get around you cool boys and girls?

That sounds a lot like buying your vote.

C'mon, read my response above this quote. I just thought he was a good guy like DaveF and others

You added someone to your Trust list because he is a good guy??

Stop inviting me to this topic! It is impolite.

Who invited you? Oo

I've just excluded Ratimov from my trust list, but not basing on your words or the words of BitcoinGirl.Club [...], but basing on what Ratimov does himself. Deleting all feedback leaves no sense in it.

Now I'm confused... A few days ago Ratimov was a god among men... at least, in your view. How could this happen? The god fell from the sky?

[Synchronice]

I am not his minion and and his support has nothing to do with helping me to rank up

Lol, no? I thought this is precisely what you wrote above:

That quote didn't end there:

he helped other users too without asking. Then, I noticed that he is trusted by many and he also has some good threads, like this¹ and also this².

Lol! Have you ever read OP? Have you seen that this individual earned a few thousands of merits by plagiarizing the work of other authors?

Yes, I read that. Plagiarism is not a good thing to do, we should appreciate the time and energy that others put in their own work. I have to admit that I didn't know about that because his profile was full of positive feedbacks and tons of merits. I thought high number of merits was an indicator of high post quality and not plagiarism.

You like them? LMAO! You added them because you like them? Where do you think you are? In high school? Trying to get around you cool boys and girls?

Yes, I learn a lot from these guys and they help others with bitcoin related problems. How can I not them?
By the way, I have never tried to get around so called cool boys and girls in high school. I was cool enough to attract others and be on top.

That sounds a lot like buying your vote.

C'mon, read my response above this quote. I just thought he was a good guy like DaveF and others

You added someone to your Trust list because he is a good guy??

It is what it is and I said I'll read more about trust system to understand its importance here. I didn't know if it was deciding someone's life.
By the way, I suggest you to read your posts and then ask yourself, if theymos or satoshi were posting instead of you, would they post like you? I think you should be more chill, act like an adult. I have only read some part of your post, I'll probably read whole story later but I don't think I would spend hours to post about someone and please don't put me into this game. I said I'll read more about trust system and renew my trust list or will delete everyone, period.

[LoyceV]

Done.

Cool! So in one day, there are 2 less users (who-aren't-scammers) with negative feedback from DT.

C'mon, read my response above this quote. I just thought he was a good guy like DaveF and others that are in my list. No one has ever bought me and I have never asked for anything on this forum. I think I don't deserve this title.

I read it, and I quoted you selectively to make a point. Being a good guy doesn't necessarily mean their judgement on others is good too.

At the same time, he lost the ability to choose DT2, so users for whom he is a crucial vote also lose DT1 potential. For example, check wwzsocki. His only DT1 inclusion is from Ratimov, who is no longer that, which will almost certainly exclude him in the next reshuffle.

Correction: wwzsocki has enough inclusions to be eligible for theymos' DT1 random selection. That means he's likely to be on DT1 again, but if he's not, he's less likely to still be on DT2. That's not a big deal, he'll be back on later.

Reading the title again: Case closed. I'll click unwatch now.

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I've just excluded Ratimov from my trust list, but not basing on your words or the words of BitcoinGirl.Club [...], but basing on what Ratimov does himself. Deleting all feedback leaves no sense in it.

Now I'm confused... A few days ago Ratimov was a god among men... at least, in your view. How could this happen? The god fell from the sky?

He said the reason, he did it was because Ratimov deleted all his previous feedback. Only the flags he created are left.
Another very bad reaction to all this happening. I don't want to explain this further, probably everything has already been said in this thread.

Reading the title again: Case closed. I'll click unwatch now.

Probably the most correct decision

[LoyceV]

He said the reason, he did it was because Ratimov deleted all his previous feedback. Only the flags he created are left.

I only saw this now. Ratimov indeed wiped his sent feedback, and withdrew his Flags. I only checked a few of the Flags created by other users, but it looks like Ratimov deleted his vote on (all of?) those too.
Ratimov seems to have a flair for the dramatic.

Wild guess: did he wipe his Trust list too? That leaves no reason to include him.

[Shishir99]

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Ignore all the comments and read from here.
There is no point in arguing since you didn't know how to use the system properly. So arguing with them will make you look bad only.
You need to know one thing to understand whom to add and whom to exclude.

- If you see someone's judgment is good, they have a good trust list, and they leave accurate feedback. = Add them to your trust list.
- If you see someone create good content = Merit their content.
- If you had done any deal with anyone where you had risk to lose, but the deal went smoothly and you also think he is unlikely to scam = Leave a positive feedback.
- If you see someone scammed others or scammed you, or see the attempt of scams = Leave a negative feedback.

You're welcome 

[holydarkness]

He said the reason, he did it was because Ratimov deleted all his previous feedback. Only the flags he created are left.

I only saw this now. Ratimov indeed wiped his sent feedback, and withdrew his Flags. I only checked a few of the Flags created by other users, but it looks like Ratimov deleted his vote on (all of?) those too.
Ratimov seems to have a flair for the dramatic.

Wild guess: did he wipe his Trust list too? That leaves no reason to include him.

Oh? I noticed that he wiped out all of his feedback because I visited his trust page after he's off DT and it looked like this,



but it didn't come to my awareness that he also retracted all of his flags, mainly because the list still shows "created flag" and I didn't dig further. It seems... excessive. I am not sure if it's a good idea or a step forward toward betterment.

[GazetaBitcoin]

I am not sure if it's a good idea or a step forward toward betterment.

There is no betterment for Ratimov. Everything he does is only to fool people somehow (managing to fool even mods!!!), to trick them or to act in frenzy until all eyes are on him then he start to covers his misery. At this point he does not even care about that anymore, so he shows everyday that he does not care about anything, about any forum rule, about any common sense, about any guideline for using his (ex-) DT powers and so on.

You saw what he did inside AOBT thread, right?
You saw also what he did in the past, right?
You saw how he never answered your question, right?
You saw how he never answere my questions, right?
You saw how he stopped using that introduction after he was exposed for plagiarism, right?
You saw how he deleted all those topics and posts which possibly contained evidence for plagiarism, right? -- Including the post where he self admitted that only 10% of his content is original, LOL!
You saw how he distrusted all those users, in revenge, right?
You saw how he hid all this time, just like TimeLord did in similar situation, right?
You saw that he deleted all his feedbacks precisely after he was excluded fr4om DT1, right?

And you still think about the possibility of... betterment? Really? With all due respect holydarkness, that's naivete!

It seems... excessive.

Everything this individual did was excessive. Since he joined this forum. He only acted in a manner to show everybody what a best-at-everything he is. Now he showed them all. Now everybody can see Ratimov's finest.

[NeuroticFish]

Who invited you? Oo

Well, posts like this one sound the bells on the smart bands set up for this forum. Some take it as invite. Some others don't see why. It's funny.

I only saw this now. Ratimov indeed wiped his sent feedback, and withdrew his Flags.

I tend to believe that he wants to show us that the world will stop spinning around without his contribution, plus this has the potential of hiding the traces of the real motifs behind some of the other deletions.


However, quite sad how this story goes on. Not unfair imho, still, sad..