Should Ratimov aka Symmetrick be in DT1?

[shahzadafzal]

My 100 days on Bitcointalk
First Newbie of 2019 who received 1000 merits !!!
Reaching 2000 Merits + Merit Giveaway
Ratimov - 2 Years on Bitcointalk + Giveaway !!!
1000-Day Legendary
7k Merit Club. When is Legendary ?

I thought you can't delete topics??? ... unless you know the trick

Could someone please create a topic in the Beginners & Help section for us on the "Step by Step process of deleting a Topic?"

Well, I have been following this since BitcoinGirl.Club started an Unusual forum moderation topic. I think it's been a long time since Lauda left, and we haven't seen any such entertainment full discussions.

I would love to hear the other side too, but I guess we won't be hearing anything soon. One thing I would say after 10 pages here and a few more on another topic, but not a single word from the gentleman. Wow, bravo!!! 👏

[1714576869]

1714576869

[1714576869]

1714576869

[1714576869]

1714576869

[mindrust]

Yep. It has been boring af since lauda left the forum. She never gave a flying fuck. She was firing off red trust ratings left and right. Like every amazing thing, it came to an end. This last conflict was alright but not as fun as the older ones. First of all, ratimov isn’t even fighting back directly. Smart but Where is the fun in that? Come here and throw some curse words mate

Tman too. And techshare… old friends leaving the table one by one

Where teh fuck is marlboroman?

[GazetaBitcoin]

Well, posts like this one sound the bells on the smart bands set up for this forum. Some take it as invite. Some others don't see why. It's funny.

I already told him that nobody invited him here. Twice.

I thought you can't delete topics??? ... unless you know the trick

Could someone please create a topic in the Beginners & Help section for us on the "Step by Step process of deleting a Topic?"

Yes, the trick is the following: delete all your posts from your topic; delete the OP content as well; move your garbage to Russian local board, where Russian mods act as garbage men. At least they act like Ratimov's personal garbage men. Dunno if someone else can have this honor.

[madnessteat]

This topic really needs to continue hence this bump.

I would like to hear opinion from the following members. mprep, wwzsocki, LFC_Bitcoin, klarki, The Sceptical Chymist, DarkStar_, Hhampuz, imhoneer, CryptopreneurBrainboss, Xal0lex, Best_Change, andy_pelevin , KTChampions, Coin-1, Bitcoin_Arena, tranthidung, tvplus006, dkbit98, witcher_sense, DdmrDdmr, madnessteat, 1miau, FontSeli, YOSHIE, jokers10, zasad@, bullrun2020bro, light_warrior.

These are the people who Ratimov trust in his trust list. I will yet to see which of these already had their opinion in this topic [will mark it later] but most of these members either are not aware of this topic or ignoring the topic because one of their vote may reduce if they give an opinion and if goes against Ratimov. I really hope that's not the case. If it is not, then I would like your opinion [Please read the first topic carefully and make a response. Let's hope Ratimov was not using you all too as he was using the local moderators to achieve his evil goal].

My telegram notifications stopped working, so I only learned about this discussion today, probably like many other members of the Russian-speaking locale (next time, if someone needs my help, don’t hesitate to write me a private message).

Personally, I know Ratimov only as a positive forum member. As long as I remember him, he always left reviews only with links proving the abuse of other users. Maybe this changed over time, but at some point I stopped following his activities, because... I saw that he devotes much more time to the forum than anyone else, and to be honest, I got used to his responsibility and couldn’t even think anything bad about him. He became the first forum member who, without fear of anyone in the Russian-speaking locale, began to leave negative reviews for sellers and buyers of accounts, and conducted a lot of investigations regarding both plagiarism and other abuses on the forum. I, too, have always strived to comply with the rules of the forum and the unspoken agreements on the system of trust, so I supported this kind of activity.

I missed everything about the plagiarism story, so I can’t say anything about it, but as far as I know, some useful forum members avoided punishment for plagiarism.

If we talk about the curse words that GazetaBitcoin talks about, then I do not welcome this kind of communication, although I admit that once one of the forum members with his false statements infuriated me to such an extent that I could not restrain myself and expressed everything that I think about him in all colors Russian swear language.

Of course, it would be interesting to get acquainted with Ratimov’s point of view on this matter.

[Zuzma]

Bravo!
    I just read the topic you raised today. I would like to add  a little about Mr. Ratimov and his atrocities on the forum.
You are really right and it’s great that you decided to expose the worst violator of the forum rules and use of the forum for personal gain.
    I can briefly remind you of the path of this gentleman on this forum. He appeared at the moment when the merit system was just introduced on this forum and immediately began to look for violators, for which he received encouragement from some users of the locale. Not many people actually encouraged him. Many Russian-speaking users did not know and were never interested in the reputation and trust section. People came here as a kind of common place where they can discuss Bitcoin, trading and technical issues. Before Ratimov came to the forum, there were a lot of smart and technically literate people in the Russian locale. I will not list anyone now, but the few other users who have remained since 2013/2017 can confirm that because of his aggressive actions, many left this forum. And the information and help of these people to the community were incomparable with Ratimov’s “imaginary” help.
In general, Ratimov’s entire journey on the forum is pure sabotage.

When it was still possible to stop the irreparable damage from his actions, I tried to expose Mr. Ratimov. But unfortunately for me, I acted emotionally and I have no supporters in the reputation society, except for people who also never participated in the reputation section. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5211855.msg53418571#msg53418571

I have no animosity towards this man. But his methods of gaining reputation for me personally are petty, dirty and damaging to society. I'm sad that truly thoughtful and interesting people have left the forum. If you pay attention to the Russian local network, you will see that only the reputation department and some other topics are alive there, in which it is difficult to get up to 30 people.



lease excuse me for my language with errors, I used Google translator, which is still far from perfect.

P.S.  from my point of view, plagiarism is what this gentleman was doing and not where the user accidentally did not insert a link to the original source of information. I myself was once such a fool who, without knowing the rules of the forum, risked speaking out in the reputation department of the Russian community against people like Ratimov. for which I was subjected to a meticulous study of my posts on this forum. And in the end, one of these petty people managed to find among my many posts the only one in which I forgot to provide a link to the author and the original text. I was first expelled from this community and then rehabilitated after the trial. but I was lucky that users who had not previously been involved in reputational disputes supported me and defended me in the Russian community.

P.S.S.

If we talk about the curse words that GazetaBitcoin talks about, then I do not welcome this kind of communication, although I admit that once one of the forum members with his false statements infuriated me to such an extent that I could not restrain myself and expressed everything that I think about him in all colors Russian swear language.

Of course, it would be interesting to get acquainted with Ratimov’s point of view on this matter.

HAHAHA
In my opinion, you are exposing yourself when you try to protect this gentleman. at a minimum, you are not being honest with English-speaking people, since, due to the language barrier, they cannot fully enjoy Monsieur Ratimov’s style of communication.
He was always rude and got personal during communication. This person has absolutely no manners and no understanding of how civilized, cultured people communicate.
As far as I remember, you are a completely different person in terms of communication and you couldn’t help but notice the difference between your polite manner of communication and his offensive one.

[Learn Bitcoin]

I would love to hear the other side too, but I guess we won't be hearing anything soon. One thing I would say after 10 pages here and a few more on another topic, but not a single word from the gentleman. Wow, bravo!!! 👏

Actually, you are too late here bro!
There were a couple of replies by Ratimov, but he deleted them all. So, this thread was kind of censored. A couple of my posts were merged and then deleted because he deleted his replies. If you want to read all uncensored replies of this thread, it will be a good idea to start from here: https://ninjastic.space/topic/5468454

Of course, it would be interesting to get acquainted with Ratimov’s point of view on this matter.

Do you think he was silent here? He tried his best and then he left this thread by deleting all the responses. So better start reading from ninjastic https://ninjastic.space/topic/5468454

[suchmoon]

I only saw this now. Ratimov indeed wiped his sent feedback, and withdrew his Flags. I only checked a few of the Flags created by other users, but it looks like Ratimov deleted his vote on (all of?) those too.
Ratimov seems to have a flair for the dramatic.

Damn, the bar is being set quite high. It won't be easy for the next petulant 5 year old DT1 member to beat Ratimov at the throwing toys out of the pram world championship.

[madnessteat]

~ Before Ratimov came to the forum, there were a lot of smart and technically literate people in the Russian locale. I will not list anyone now, but the few other users who have remained since 2013/2017 can confirm that because of his aggressive actions, many left this forum. And the information and help of these people to the community were incomparable with Ratimov’s “imaginary” help.
In general, Ratimov’s entire journey on the forum is pure sabotage. ~

By the way, I recently read in one of the Russian-language telegram chats how people shared information about abuse on the bitcointalk forum and how much they earned from it. They also complained that at some point the informers came and they were forced to leave the forum because of the bans. Are you talking about these forum members? It would be nice if you listed at least a few useful forum members who left because of Ratimov.



Source: https://t.me/c/1369370434/3235249

Of course, it would be interesting to get acquainted with Ratimov’s point of view on this matter.

Do you think he was silent here? He tried his best and then he left this thread by deleting all the responses. So better start reading from ninjastic https://ninjastic.space/topic/5468454

Thanks for the information. Now I fully understand Ratimov's point of view. I cannot say with certainty that he violated any rules of the forum or community agreements on the work of the trust system, so I will not take sides in this conflict. Personally, I have not found information anywhere that a DT member should set an example by his behavior or communication style. Gazeta Bitcoin's accusations do not have irrefutable evidence, so I cannot draw conclusions based on them. As I have said more than once, Ratimov is a thunderstorm for users who like to abuse on the forum. He crossed the path of many, so there are so many enemies in his forum life.

I also had a situation when I found myself in a difficult situation on this forum and also tried to exclude myself from the trust system by deleting trust lists, but after a while I realized that it would be better for me to be in this system, having only one account, an honest and straightforward person (which I am 100% sure of), than an unknown person to me is unclear with what goals.

[nutildah]

By the way, I recently read in one of the Russian-language telegram chats how people shared information about abuse on the bitcointalk forum and how much they earned from it. They also complained that at some point the informers came and they were forced to leave the forum because of the bans. Are you talking about these forum members? It would be nice if you listed at least a few useful forum members who left because of Ratimov.

The ones in your screenshot are definitely not "useful." They appear to be run-of-the-mill bounty cheaters.

A bit off-topic but one of the smartest scammers ever was amaclin. He actually managed to get about $3.27 worth of BTC from me one time.    I think that was the last time I got scammed. Stolfi wrote him of the best trust feedbacks I've ever seen written about anyone:

JorgeStolfi

2016-02-07

The user is a red-with-yellow-spots-hat hacker who enjoys finding bugs in the network and demonstrating them in the most irritating way possible. He is a great asset to the community. Just keep your hands firmly in your pockets, grabbing your wallet and phone, when interacting with him.

I see that he is still around, recently logged in with his second account.

Once I had a conversation with a known Counterparty/Dogeparty scammer about him, was trying to find out if they were the same person (they are not):

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

The current DT status of him not in DT1 anymore is temporary, in the next shuffle there is a good chance for him to comeback unless some of the key members who have good DT strength will not exclude him or distrust him. Such members are: wwzsocki, Gianluca95, thandie, tmfp, klarki, nimogsm, my luck, Wapfika, FutureBitcoin, dimonstration, giammangiato, imhoneer, KTChampions, Smartprofit, Coin-1, Julien_Olynpic, Bitcoin_Arena, tvplus006 , witcher_sense, sky999, bubbalex, taikuri13, madnessteat, FontSeli, YOSHIE, Stalker22, ajanwalker, Charles-Tim, execijutiere, _BlackStar, Shamm, KingsDen, Synchronice, SatoPrincess, Silence Scream, Jossque.

Synchronice, madnessteat nice to see some words from you. It does not matter what action you are taking but reading the main topic is important for the people who are trusting Ratimov and thinking he is doing great for the Default trust network. You have him in your list and you deserve to know right information. I would love to see more responses from the above users who still are waiting to write their words.

Thank you.

[Zuzma]

~

Nuclear energy in itself is not good or evil. Only in the hands of a person does it become one thing or another. We can all use a knife as a tool in the kitchen, but at any time it can become a weapon.
If Nick Szabo or Hal Finney acted here as speakers in the reputation section, they would never be able to code and participate in the development of the military-technical cooperation because they would leave all their energy and benefit here. I'm trying to convey just one point to you. The overwhelming minority of people who actually do something useful for the community take part in reputation wars. These are fanatics, they are interested in completely different things and they are certainly very useful for the community. In the end, it was thanks to such cypherpunk fanatics that BTC was born. Thanks to them for this.

In any system there are parasites and scammers who try to take advantage of the system created by other people only for their own benefit while deceiving other members of the community. They definitely need to be identified and expelled from the community.

You are obviously trying to protect this gentleman and not find the truth. First, you are trying to say that the offensive manner of behavior is not commonplace for this subject. Now you are trying to say that he should not be a model on the forum. Well, I agree with your second statement. But you have already shown your bias. There is no point in further explaining or proving anything to you.

I am one of the few who remain on this forum from a Russian-speaking locale. This is my personal opinion and I expressed it in relation to this gentleman. I came to this forum in 2017 to communicate about the exchange of ideas and not to sort things out.

Only the community can decide whether a given subject is useful for the community or not. But since he attracted so much attention to the search for justice, his actions and benefits should be fairly considered in this forum. "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you." Matthew 7:1-3

[GazetaBitcoin]

I tend to believe that he wants to show us that the world will stop spinning around without his contribution

Must be either that or what suchmoon said:

Damn, the bar is being set quite high. It won't be easy for the next petulant 5 year old DT1 member to beat Ratimov at the throwing toys out of the pram world championship.

This last conflict was alright but not as fun as the older ones. First of all, ratimov isn’t even fighting back directly. Smart but Where is the fun in that? Come here and throw some curse words mate

Yes, Ratimov was determined to ruin all the fun. I was expecting this time to not limit his insults only to my mother but go forward to my father too, perhaps reach also some aunts and uncles of mine.

I just read the topic you raised today. I would like to add  a little about Mr. Ratimov and his atrocities on the forum. [...]

In general, Ratimov’s entire journey on the forum is pure sabotage.

Indeed. Ratimov turned the forum into his personal weapon, for attacking all possible users, especially those which ever dared to speak the truth about him.

I will not list anyone now, but the few other users who have remained since 2013/2017 can confirm that because of his aggressive actions, many left this forum.

I have 2 Russian sources which told me same thing -- that many left the forum because of his aggressivity. You are the third one which says this.

He was always rude and got personal during communication. This person has absolutely no manners and no understanding of how civilized, cultured people communicate.

I recommend you to present this topic in Russian local board, thus more people will know that Ratimov was exposed for all miserable things he did and to know as well that he was excluded from DT.

Once I had a conversation with a known Counterparty/Dogeparty scammer about him, was trying to find out if they were the same person (they are not):

LMAO, that was the scammer complaining that another scammer is more agile than him!

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Has anyone noticed the only response that Ratimov made on this thread was also deleted?
Archive link: https://ninjastic.space/post/63039745

His start was nice though, the card of playing a victim. It's a long post but here was the start.

Now there will be a big wall of text, sorry:

I have always been amused by this feature of offended people: after they start writing me some absurd accusations, and after that they receive an answer from me, they immediately begin to pretend to be a victim who is attacked.

- Merit abuse by merit source in the Russian local - Here I apparently attacked Zuzma.
- Merit Source - Plagiarist - Here I apparently attacked airfinex.
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5297144.msg55770640#msg55770640 - Here I apparently attacked nullius.
- CPM right now, right here. - Here I apparently attacked wooI_Ioow.
- Ratimov plagiarizer and now trust abuser - Here I apparently attacked ScumBuster.
- Announce your rank up, merit or any achievements that makes you feel great! - Here I apparently attacked BitcoinGirl.Club.

I constantly attack someone, I just have nothing to do on the forum, I go and attack. It’s funny that in all these cases I was always in the position of responding to the claims, but I am certainly the attacker, and the one who is trying to accuse me is simply a victim of Ratimov’s latest attacks and persecution. Horrible.

@TryNinja, we need the next version of Ninjastic.space where we can copy the BBcode of an archive. Is it doable?

[madnessteat]

~

Nuclear energy in itself is not good or evil. Only in the hands of a person does it become one thing or another. We can all use a knife as a tool in the kitchen, but at any time it can become a weapon.
If Nick Szabo or Hal Finney acted here as speakers in the reputation section, they would never be able to code and participate in the development of the military-technical cooperation because they would leave all their energy and benefit here. I'm trying to convey just one point to you. The overwhelming minority of people who actually do something useful for the community take part in reputation wars. These are fanatics, they are interested in completely different things and they are certainly very useful for the community. In the end, it was thanks to such cypherpunk fanatics that BTC was born. Thanks to them for this.

In any system there are parasites and scammers who try to take advantage of the system created by other people only for their own benefit while deceiving other members of the community. They definitely need to be identified and expelled from the community.

You are obviously trying to protect this gentleman and not find the truth. First, you are trying to say that the offensive manner of behavior is not commonplace for this subject. Now you are trying to say that he should not be a model on the forum. Well, I agree with your second statement. But you have already shown your bias. There is no point in further explaining or proving anything to you.

I am one of the few who remain on this forum from a Russian-speaking locale. This is my personal opinion and I expressed it in relation to this gentleman. I came to this forum in 2017 to communicate about the exchange of ideas and not to sort things out.

Only the community can decide whether a given subject is useful for the community or not. But since he attracted so much attention to the search for justice, his actions and benefits should be fairly considered in this forum. "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you." Matthew 7:1-3

I'm not going to argue with you or prove anything to you. I have my own independent opinion about everything that is happening.

If it weren’t for people like Ratimov with his endless zeal to clear the forum from all sorts of abusers, the forum would have long ago turned into a kind of dump where people with 10-20 accounts communicate, who communicate with each other only for the sake of profit. At least in the Russian-speaking locale such farms have been identified.

You still haven’t answered my question - which of the useful members of the forum left because of him, and I’m sure you’ll never answer, because... in fact, most of the useful members of the forum left before he registered on the forum, and the reason is not his fault, but the signature campaigns, which led to the cluttering of the forum with meaningless posts.

[Synchronice]

Of course, it would be interesting to get acquainted with Ratimov’s point of view on this matter.

Do you think he was silent here? He tried his best and then he left this thread by deleting all the responses. So better start reading from ninjastic https://ninjastic.space/topic/5468454

What a terrible language is used in those quotes. Not something that adult should do, nor even a kid should do that, not even a sane person should ever do that! I read the topic and GazetaBitcoin is right, this man needs to mature and control his emotions before being included in trust list.

Synchronice, madnessteat nice to see some words from you. It does not matter what action you are taking but reading the main topic is important for the people who are trusting Ratimov and thinking he is doing great for the Default trust network. You have him in your list and you deserve to know right information. I would love to see more responses from the above users who still are waiting to write their words.

Thank you.

No, it matters what actions we are taking. I am understanding the importance of trust system on this forum, it was a mistake from me to include others without thinking twice about it, that will be fixed. There is no one in my trust list at the moment, so, I removed him too.

[Zuzma]

I'm not going to argue with you or prove anything to you. I have my own independent opinion about everything that is happening.

If it weren’t for people like Ratimov with his endless zeal to clear the forum from all sorts of abusers, the forum would have long ago turned into a kind of dump where people with 10-20 accounts communicate, who communicate with each other only for the sake of profit. At least in the Russian-speaking locale such farms have been identified.

You still haven’t answered my question - which of the useful members of the forum left because of him, and I’m sure you’ll never answer, because... in fact, most of the useful members of the forum left before he registered on the forum, and the reason is not his fault, but the signature campaigns, which led to the cluttering of the forum with meaningless posts.

the forum existed perfectly well before Ratimov came here

I will leave the opportunity for people who, like me, have not yet forgotten about the existence of this forum, to speak out for themselves regarding its actions. If you undertake to cover for this person, then act more carefully.

[Shishir99]

Has anyone noticed the only response that Ratimov made on this thread was also deleted?
Archive link: https://ninjastic.space/post/63039745

His start was nice though, the card of playing a victim. It's a long post but here was the start.

Not entirely correct. If you check the archived version, https://ninjastic.space/topic/5468454 he made a couple of responses but then he started to delete those responses once others started posting. He deleted his replies from this thread even before he started deleting his self-moderated threads.

@TryNinja, we need the next version of Ninjastic.space where we can copy the BBcode of an archive. Is it doable?

I need this too. If someone deletes their post, we cannot quote them anymore. Even we cannot get the BBCode version of our own post once it's get deleted. Nice suggestion BitcoinGirl.Club

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

No, it matters what actions we are taking. I am understanding the importance of trust system on this forum, it was a mistake from me to include others without thinking twice about it, that will be fixed. There is no one in my trust list at the moment, so, I removed him too.

What I mean is I can not force anyone to add or remove someone in their trust list. A trust list is a personal belonging to a forum member. As a community member we can pass the correct information. My suggestion to you still remains, learn the system before using it and this way you will be using it correctly.

[examplens]

Has anyone noticed the only response that Ratimov made on this thread was also deleted?

Has anyone noticed that he started removing content from his many LIST/Collection threads? This time it does not delete them or anything like that, but only removes the content. Looks like another revenge against the forum bastards.  

few examples
[HUGE LIST] Useful Crypto Links !!!
No-KYC Exchange Encyclopedia ^{Still exist on his local board}
[BIG LIST] DeFi Projects & Tokens

I'm not sure how the campaign managers will look at this behaviour, I believe that the opening of a large number of "useful" topics is one of the reasons why he is accepted in higher-quality ^paid campaigns.

[madnessteat]

I'm not going to argue with you or prove anything to you. I have my own independent opinion about everything that is happening.

If it weren’t for people like Ratimov with his endless zeal to clear the forum from all sorts of abusers, the forum would have long ago turned into a kind of dump where people with 10-20 accounts communicate, who communicate with each other only for the sake of profit. At least in the Russian-speaking locale such farms have been identified.

You still haven’t answered my question - which of the useful members of the forum left because of him, and I’m sure you’ll never answer, because... in fact, most of the useful members of the forum left before he registered on the forum, and the reason is not his fault, but the signature campaigns, which led to the cluttering of the forum with meaningless posts.

the forum existed perfectly well before Ratimov came here

I will leave the opportunity for people who, like me, have not yet forgotten about the existence of this forum, to speak out for themselves regarding its actions. If you undertake to cover for this person, then act more carefully.

I'm not going to cover for anyone. Your words initially sound offensive to me because in order to accuse someone you need to have solid evidence of it. So far I haven't seen anything more than insults and conjecture in this thread. If someone doesn't like the way he posts he can just add him to ignore.

1. Don't you think that saying that I am covering for Ratimov is slander?

2. Does anyone have hard evidence that Ratimov was plagiarizing?

3. Don't you think that saying that Russian-speaking moderators cover for Ratimov without any evidence is slander?

For all these actions you can quite realistically get a negative feedback, with proof in the form of attached archive on this topic and it will be on all recommendations of the administrator of this forum.