Should Ratimov aka Symmetrick be in DT1?

[Plaguedeath]

Wild guess: did he wipe his Trust list too? That leaves no reason to include him.

You, are correct. He delete all of the his feedback and trust list, although few users already explain about their reason to include him, it seems this time we need to hear their opinions (again).

Trust list for: Ratimov (Trust: +21 / =2 / -0) (DT1 (-4) 11905 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2023-11-11_Sat_05.07h)
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Ratimov Trusts these users' judgement:
1. Removed satoshi (Trust: +35 / =0 / -0) (5823 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed theymos (Trust: +27 / =0 / -0) (10651 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed Balthazar (Trust: +2 / =1 / -1) (358 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)...
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Ratimov Distrusts these users' judgement:
1. Removed ~Gyrsur (Trust: +1 / =3 / -0) (513 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed ~delfastTions (Trust: neutral) (873 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed ~xandry (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (2498 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)...
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[digaran]

What Satoshi did to deserve being removed from a trust list? All of this could have been avoided if he had just deleted the incorrect tags, and then he would have had the upper hands against Gazeta, since it would be Gazeta on the wrong side by tagging him for something "moderation" related. But he ignored that fact because of anger. While he could still be on DT, having his threads untouched, no drama, no hurt feelings etc.

[GazetaBitcoin]

I consider Merit to be for "a post worth reading", so if the post is gone, the Merit lost it's purpose.

Look only at how ridiculous this looks like:


291 merits for a blank topic.

Or this:



23 merits (10 being from theymos!) for this very interesting "34a3". The content "34a3" must be very useful.

Also, as a side note, by taking a look at the 78 topics you listed here, I noticed that within the ones not deleted his name appears now as "R20231030" and the rank is guest. So this guest got 10 merits from theymos for writing "34a3".

[nutildah]

All of this could have been avoided if he had just deleted the incorrect tags, and then he would have had the upper hands against Gazeta, since it would be Gazeta on the wrong side by tagging him for something "moderation" related. But he ignored that fact because of anger. While he could still be on DT, having his threads untouched, no drama, no hurt feelings etc.

To his credit, he did delete his negs against Gazeta, but then re-added them only a couple days later... He couldn't stop himself after his buttons were re-pushed, which is unfortunate. Now he has deleted all ratings. And I should add it was good of Gazeta to downgrade their tag to neutral.

Well, that about wraps er up... Not sure there's much left to be said or done at this point. A cautionary tale of forum drama.

[LoyceV]

Also, as a side note, by taking a look at the 78 topics you listed here, I noticed that within the ones not deleted his name appears now as "R20231030" and the rank is guest. So this guest got 10 merits from theymos for writing "34a3".

The "Guest" was added after theymos restored the deleted topics. I assume the Merits are still counted on Ratimov's account.

[holydarkness]

Wild guess: did he wipe his Trust list too? That leaves no reason to include him.

You, are correct. He delete all of the his feedback and trust list, although few users already explain about their reason to include him, it seems this time we need to hear their opinions (again).

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Ahh well, at least now someone can say that he's no longer in DT1 because he wiped his entire trust list and thus he made himself ineligible for DT selection.

[mindrust]

He still has a perfectly fine account other not than being dt1 which is not the end of the world. I don’t know why he is acting like a kid. In the past people got their accounts tarred and feathered for much less. It seems to me nowadays people send negatives only if the account in question scammed somebody. Back in my time things were rough. Today's kids don’t know those times and they are not grateful for what they have today. In 1998, I was using an MMX CPU with a 2gb hdd, 1mb onboard gpu. Now people have 1tb cell phones playing 3d GTA games. I was dialing up internet with a 56k modem and a goddamn mp3 file was taking 10 minutes to be downloaded . What do you call that? Progress.

[JeromeTash]

Is it a case of one having a large bruised ego or just some unapologetic immature spoilt kid behind the keyboard? Because, what the fuck have i just seen develop over the past few day? 

This Universe continues to surprise me just when i think i have seen it all.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Is it a case of one having a large bruised ego or just some unapologetic immature spoilt kid behind the keyboard?

Both.

Because, what the fuck have i just seen develop over the past few day? 

What you saw (and what everyone else saw) is just Ratimov's true character. This is the character he tried hard to disguise all these years, in order to fool everybody about what-a-great-forum-contributor-he-is. Until this topic, only those which dared to confront him "had the honor of being blessed" to meet his true face. He was carefully though to hide everything when users' eyes (and, especially, DT users' eyes) were on him. But now he could not refrain his dementia anymore and allowed everybody his real face.

If you feel like this individual should never get back to DT1 again please don't forget to add him to your distrust list.

[wwzsocki]

...If you feel like this individual should never get back to DT1 again please don't forget to add him to your distrust list.

updated my Trust setting, excluded this member but not distrusted

he haven't broken forum rules (at least from what I understand?), he used tricks to hide links when copy pasting/quoting content from others (but it was still valuable content), misused his DT1 power to defend himself (or even attacked others but removed it after he was corrected by respected forum members), behaves very questionable

this is true, I never questioned the author and thought this is all original content at least the once I have read. Links are something many members care about (not whiteout a reason) and one can be accused for plagiarism even if add them not correctly (have seen it in the past). I myself try to add links always just after copy pasted content, also in many cases at the end, all is of course clearly visible, especially if copied something from forum, just to be safe from accusations, learned my lesson because happened to me to copy paste sentence from other member instead of quoting him (in my early days) and i was almost banned.

again big surprise that somebody was able to do it for so long, received many merits and gained DT power when doing so.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

The "Guest" was added after theymos restored the deleted topics. I assume the Merits are still counted on Ratimov's account.

They are and I consider it unfair, perhaps another hole for Ratimov to get more merits [LOL].

Just a thought, wouldn't it be fair if we had a feature where we could report such topics or posts to administrator [not mod] to reverse the merits. The goal for merit system is to appreciate good posts, not the empty posts. If it was one or two which happened accidentally then it seemed fine but when a user constantly is trying to remove his contents but keeping the merits earned by these contents then it become weird. 

The current DT status of him not in DT1 anymore is temporary, in the next shuffle there is a good chance for him to comeback unless some of the key members who have good DT strength will not exclude him or distrust him. Such members are: Gianluca95, thandie, tmfp, nimogsm, my luck, Wapfika, FutureBitcoin, dimonstration, giammangiato, imhoneer, KTChampions, Smartprofit, Coin-1, Julien_Olynpic, tvplus006 , witcher_sense, sky999, bubbalex, taikuri13, FontSeli, YOSHIE, ajanwalker, Charles-Tim, execijutiere, _BlackStar, Shamm, KingsDen, SatoPrincess, Silence Scream, Jossque.

Removed the members from the quote who gave their opinion and or showed their response by updating their trust list. I wonder the rest of them are still unaware of the situation especially those who are active and posting regularly in different boards?

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Just a thought, wouldn't it be fair if we had a feature where we could report such topics or posts to administrator [not mod] to reverse the merits. The goal for merit system is to appreciate good posts, not the empty posts. If it was one or two which happened accidentally then it seemed fine but when a user constantly is trying to remove his contents but keeping the merits earned by these contents then it become weird. 

I think there was a similar discussion, it was about merit farmers and resellers, where posts were deleted to reduce the possibility of recognition of giving credit for meaningless posts between alt accounts.
Although I am sure that Ratimov did not plan such an epilogue.

I'm interested in why the threads that Ratimov cleaned of their content are not deleted. As far as I can see, they are all still there, although they are now useless. I was reported to the moderator by one of those, but I see that the ad is still unhandled.

[Plaguedeath]

I'm interested in why the threads that Ratimov cleaned of their content are not deleted. As far as I can see, they are all still there, although they are now useless. I was reported to the moderator by one of those, but I see that the ad is still unhandled.

Actually his threads were deleted, but theymos restore it and he think it's incorrect for the moderator to delete his threads.

Though the thread has no content, but the discussion has a weight that shouldn't be deleted.

I see no evidence of misconduct, though it was incorrect to delete topics with substantial replies. All of the deleted topics with replies have been restored to Archival.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Day after day, more and more (DT1) users distrust Ratimov or stop trusting him:



Thank you klarki, wwzsocki, witcher_sense, vaporminer and Bitcoin_Arena for your involvement!

Somehow, all these remind me of The-Devil's decay. How many remember "The-Devil incident"? Perhaps Ratimov can now say the same words The-Devil said back then:

Today my account has been converted to hell.

At the moment, Ratimov is still trusted by 50 users, from which 8 are DT1: Charles-Tim, YOSHIE, madnessteat, Coin-1, KTChampions, imhoneer, tmfp and Balthazar. I hope that soon more of them will involve as well on this matter.

I assume the Merits are still counted on Ratimov's account.

Is there any way we can check that precisely?

perhaps another hole for Ratimov to get more merits [LOL].

As I said above,

We can expect anything from this Ratimov. Including to write again all his topics, for earning some more thousands of merits.

Just a thought, wouldn't it be fair if we had a feature where we could report such topics or posts to administrator [not mod] to reverse the merits. The goal for merit system is to appreciate good posts, not the empty posts. If it was one or two which happened accidentally then it seemed fine but when a user constantly is trying to remove his contents but keeping the merits earned by these contents then it become weird.

I believe we can do this in Meta. I had a similar thought regarding Ratimov's Merit source status which, at the moment, is a mockery. He deleted his Merit Source application and this shows that he does not give a damn for the topic which helped him achieve a substantial part of his power.

So I think there should be a topic started in Meta addressing the issue regarding merits for his garbage posts and also the fact that a Merit Source does not have an adequate behavior regarding his position. BitcoinGirl.Club, if you find all these feasible, would you start such topic in Meta? I am asking you since you already started one more topic regarding the way Ratimov turned Russian mods into his personal garbage men.

[LoyceV]

I assume the Merits are still counted on Ratimov's account.

Is there any way we can check that precisely?

No. Theymos' Merit data dump only covers the last 120 days. I assume the Merit wasn't deleted though: that just doesn't happen when a post gets deleted. And restoring as Guest probably didn't change anything either.

[wwzsocki]

...if we had a feature where we could report such topics or posts to administrator [not mod] to reverse the merits. The goal for merit system is to appreciate good posts, not the empty posts...

I think there was a similar discussion, it was about merit farmers and resellers, where posts were deleted to reduce the possibility of recognition of giving credit for meaningless posts between alt accounts...

This could be good and simple solution to reverse or remove all merits if topic or merited post was deleted

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

I'm interested in why the threads that Ratimov cleaned of their content are not deleted. As far as I can see, they are all still there, although they are now useless. I was reported to the moderator by one of those, but I see that the ad is still unhandled.

The whole point was Ratimov using this same whole to clean up his mess, reporting the empty topics and allowing mods to delete the entire topic. Theymos later restored the topics.

Ratimov is doing such things means he is spamming the forum. When someone spam the forum the reward for them is a ban. We have 7 days, 2 weeks and then permanent ban I think. If he continues the same then he should be warned about it and if he still keeps doing that then he should be banned permanently.

Right now all these topics looks spam threads with so many merits wasted.

[digaran]

Man, you are relentless and when you are fixated on something, you won't let go till you get what you want. I LIKE THAT!
I think the reason as to why everybody dislike Ratimov is because of mr. Smith in his avatar, we all hated him with those sun glasses. I'm not kidding, this is a science of it's own.
You can try it by making a mask of the one person you hate the most and put it on your spouse's face, you will see how can that change love into hatred. Just don't do it during bed time. You'd get mixed feelings and might fall in love with your enemy.😅
Cases like this tend to happen over and over again, this is because we give some people so much credit and when they act in a way unexpected for us, we'd feel disappointed and even resent ourselves for being so gullible believing someone like that,  it's called idolization. So pick your heroes more wisely. 😉😘

[LFC_Bitcoin]

This topic really needs to continue hence this bump.

I would like to hear opinion from the following members. mprep, wwzsocki, LFC_Bitcoin, klarki, The Sceptical Chymist, DarkStar_, Hhampuz, imhoneer, CryptopreneurBrainboss, Xal0lex, Best_Change, andy_pelevin , KTChampions, Coin-1, Bitcoin_Arena, tranthidung, tvplus006, dkbit98, witcher_sense, DdmrDdmr, madnessteat, 1miau, FontSeli, YOSHIE, jokers10, zasad@, bullrun2020bro, light_warrior.

These are the people who Ratimov trust in his trust list. I will yet to see which of these already had their opinion in this topic [will mark it later] but most of these members either are not aware of this topic or ignoring the topic because one of their vote may reduce if they give an opinion and if goes against Ratimov. I really hope that's not the case. If it is not, then I would like your opinion [Please read the first topic carefully and make a response. Let's hope Ratimov was not using you all too as he was using the local moderators to achieve his evil goal].

I have been aware of this topic for some time but chose not to get involved as I very rarely venture into these type of things these days. It’s just not something that I want to spend my time doing these days.

However, I will clarify my position on the topic here:

I have had a good relationship with Ratimov over the years, we have exchanged PM’s many times and he was indeed on my trust list for a long time.

The plagiarism accusations didn’t bother me too much. I think it’s far too heavily enforced on the forum. What he was doing was perhaps a little under-hand but he took pride in getting a lot of Merit and being liked on the forum so whatever.

After seeing the threats, his incorrect use of leaving trust comments, abusive private messages to others and drama he was getting involved in I decided to remove him from my trust list. I saw that a week or so after he retaliated by returning the favour.

I have nothing against Ratimov, I don’t want to get involved in any drama but perhaps he’s not the man I thought he was sadly so I stand by my removing of him from my trust list.

This is the only post I will make on this topic.

[Kingf1sher]

For all these actions you can quite realistically get a negative feedback, with proof in the form of attached archive on this topic and it will be on all recommendations of the administrator of this forum.

What is it? Why can't we do without intimidation again)

3. Don't you think that saying that Russian-speaking moderators cover for Ratimov without any evidence is slander?

"You're just thinking wishfully"

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and yes, maybe it’s worth reminding the person who likes to crunch their nose how the moderators covered for him when he threatened me with physical harm?
he once told me that he wanted to break my nose when we met, but instead of being banned, he now continues to intimidate us with negative feedback)
if he says that this is not so, I will try to find these threats in my archives) There will be many questions about whether Russian moderators were covering for him.. and if I’m not mistaken, he also tried to defend Ratimov then..