Should Ratimov aka Symmetrick be in DT1?

[Igebotz]

I do not see any difference in Symmetrick Ratimov's promise too. He can not deny a trade that was agreed between him and other parties.

examplen is right! The side bet deal we had and what Symmetrick offered are two distinct scenarios that must be handled separately.

If I fail to keep our side bet as agreed, I may be considered a trade risk individual for breach of contract.

What Symmetrick had with Halab was nothing more than a volunteer donation, and he has every right to back out without repercussions; you can't tag him "trade risk" for failing to deliver on his donation. He may have backed out for a variety of reasons, and he owes no one an explanation. Your tag is crossedline Imo.

I'm not interested in drama, I'm only here cause you @Me.

[examplens]

The losers will pay the winners. I don't think anyone will avoid a trade risk feedback if they do not honer the bets.

I do not see any difference in Symmetrick Ratimov's promise too. He can not deny a trade that was agreed between him and other parties.

There is definitely a difference. One is a donation and the second is a bet. As far as I can see, Ratimov is not a participant in this contest, so he certainly cannot receive any prize from it. There was no agreement between Ratimov and the participants here, except for a few thanks for his generosity.
So it is a donation, a bonus, there is no trade or bet on his part.

Maybe in his anger, he will try to deceive someone, but that is just biased speculation and not enough for a negative tag.

You can also look at it from the point of view that this sponsorship was an investment in his rating here on the forum. Now that that rating has been destroyed, it makes no sense for them to put money into it.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

I do not see any difference in Symmetrick Ratimov's promise too. He can not deny a trade that was agreed between him and other parties.

examplen is right! The side bet deal we had and what Symmetrick offered are two distinct scenarios that must be handled separately.

If I fail to keep our side bet as agreed, I may be considered a trade risk individual for breach of contract.

What Symmetrick had with Halab was nothing more than a volunteer donation, and he has every right to back out without repercussions;

The losers will pay the winners. I don't think anyone will avoid a trade risk feedback if they do not honer the bets.

I do not see any difference in Symmetrick Ratimov's promise too. He can not deny a trade that was agreed between him and other parties.

There is definitely a difference. One is a donation and the second is a bet. As far as I can see, Ratimov is not a participant in this contest, so he certainly cannot receive any prize from it. There was no agreement between Ratimov and the participants here, except for a few thanks for his generosity.
So it is a donation, a bonus, there is no trade or bet on his part.

You two are right there. I failed to understand the donation part. The feedback has been removed.

[suchmoon]

There is definitely a difference. One is a donation and the second is a bet. As far as I can see, Ratimov is not a participant in this contest, so he certainly cannot receive any prize from it. There was no agreement between Ratimov and the participants here, except for a few thanks for his generosity.

If you say "I'm sponsoring this and here's how much I'll pay" is about as serious of a contract as it gets here on the forum. If I said something like this and then retracted it at the last minute, I'd expect to be flagged up the wazoo. Not sure where you see the difference between that and e.g. a signature campaign or some other promise to pay.

[digaran]

There is definitely a difference. One is a donation and the second is a bet. As far as I can see, Ratimov is not a participant in this contest, so he certainly cannot receive any prize from it. There was no agreement between Ratimov and the participants here, except for a few thanks for his generosity.

If you say "I'm sponsoring this and here's how much I'll pay" is about as serious of a contract as it gets here on the forum. If I said something like this and then retracted it at the last minute, I'd expect to be flagged up the wazoo. Not sure where you see the difference between that and e.g. a signature campaign or some other promise to pay.

Did participants spend more of their time on that contest? Or just their spare time?
Did he send the donated amount to the host?
Technically if the host was holding the funds but returned them to him, the host violated the terms of contract.

Even if you wanted to blame the donor, he could file for bankruptcy and claim there were people in line to get paid with actual written contracts and that legally they were the priority, then your fantasy forum rules would make no sense to warrant a flag.😉 

[suchmoon]

Did participants spend more of their time on that contest? Or just their spare time?
Did he send the donated amount to the host?
Technically if the host was holding the funds but returned them to him, the host violated the terms of contract.

None of it matters. If you promise to pay me for doing nothing and then you don't, you would still be in breach of contract even if it's my "spare time". Sending or not sending the money in advance also has nothing to do with it.

Even if you wanted to blame the donor, he could file for bankruptcy and claim there were people in line to get paid with actual written contracts and that legally they were the priority, then your fantasy forum rules would make no sense to warrant a flag.😉 

Donor LOL

Sym-whatshisname said "sponsor". That's very different from "donor". Sponsorship is very likely to be a contract because it implies that the sponsor is receiving something in return. Words matter. No one forced him to call it that, his choice, his contract, his failure to execute.

I can see why participants wouldn't want to raise the flag here but that doesn't mean that you need to start making things up to justify that, like bankruptcy ... there is no bankruptcy, there is just a disgruntled user trying to turn everything he touched into shit.

[mikeywith]

I can see why participants wouldn't want to raise the flag here

You could even argue that a flag type 3 is warranted but only if raised by a participant, I mean, if I was told that if I participate and do a,b,c I could win some x prize, and after that you decide that you no longer want to give me my potential prize,  you have certainly violated a contract.

Such actions should be frowned upon, or else, someone can start a thread saying they will give away 10 btc for the winner, gets a ton of merit for being generous to the community, and then a few weeks before payment time, they pull the plug.

[dkbit98]

Ratimov reduced the pledged amount by 0.0435 BTC, currently worth $1649, after 90% of the contest's running time passed. And although I'm nowhere near winning this contest, I find this extremely disappointing to do. At least it earned him another 22 Merits posting this. He must have forgotton to delete that post. Let me archive it for him.

You don't just break promises in a community because you're having a tantrum!

WTF is he doing!?  
I am he is really digging his own hole deeper and deeper every new day.
Nobody forced him to sponsor any competition, so changing his mind like this is unacceptable, and I can see some members even giving him negative feedback because of this.
As if we didn't have enough drama so far...

[The Sceptical Chymist]

You two are right there. I failed to understand the donation part. The feedback has been removed.

Props to you for acknowledging an error instead of doubling down for ego reasons like most people do.  That's to be respected IMO.

But Jesus, I'll have to go back and read everything again since it looks like there's been some drama added to the already-existing drama, or at least an attempt to escalate the pre-existing drama.  I might be wrong, but when I saw this thread a couple of days ago, Symmetrick's name was not present--and I'm not even sure I've seen that username before.

Is there an established correlation between the price of bitcoin and the level of forum drama?  I've not done the analysis myself, but if I had to guess...

[digaran]

Now after sleeping on it for a few minutes, you could argue that people mostly joined the contest because of that money, I initially looked at OP alone and saw "donated", but after seeing the merits and "sponsor" on his post, I realized this was the moment that he f'ed up.

Though the only benefit was the merits, however from a moral standpoint, this is the same as not delivering what was promised, but legally, I don't know if a post could be considered as a contract.

And now if anyone wants to have a sweet revenge, this is the time, because by community standards(bounty, signature campaigns not honoring the deal warrants for a flag as well) this is good to go.
Edit: I forgot to say, you have the option of forgiving as well.

Such a waste of so much merits.😶

[yahoo62278]

Hey, Halab, good initiative. Let me support your competition as a sponsor.

So far the prizes are:

1st : 0.0030 BTC
2nd : 0.0015 BTC
3rd : 0.0005 BTC

As a sponsor, I will add the following amounts to the prize money:

1st : 0.027 BTC
2nd : 0.0135 BTC
3rd : 0.007 BTC

In total, taking into account the prize money from Halab+ Ratimov, the following prizes are obtained:

1st : 0.03 BTC
2nd : 0.015 BTC
3rd : 0.0075 BTC

Good luck to all!

Sponsor definition: N a person or organization that pays for or contributes to the costs involved in staging a sporting or artistic event in return for advertising:

V provide funds for (a project or activity or the person carrying it out):

SOURCE

Donation definition: something that is given to a charity, especially a sum of money

Sponsoring something means you are pledging the money. It is a contractual obligation IMO if you sponsor something with a prize or with money. If he had used the word donation and not give an amount at the time, then he could decide the donation whenever he pleased although I wouldn't advise anyone join a competition or contest with the prize up in the air like that. I think he is breaching a contract and deserves feedback honestly. Had he decided after a day or week to change the amount or not to sponsor, then he would prob be fine, but to wait til nearly over and stop the sponsorship because of his drama on the forum is ridiculous.

I am going to consider a tag but want to hear other opinions. Seems very wrong to me, but maybe i'm in the wrong?

[Rikafip]

You can also look at it from the point of view that this sponsorship was an investment in his rating here on the forum. Now that that rating has been destroyed, it makes no sense for them to put money into it.

Isn't this an extra argument for negative feedback, if he did that for the sole purpose of increasing his reputation?

I might be wrong, but when I saw this thread a couple of days ago, Symmetrick's name was not present--and I'm not even sure I've seen that username before.

You definitely didn't see that name before as Ratimov changed name 3 days ago.

Now after sleeping on it for a few minutes, you could argue that people mostly joined the contest because of that money

While I don't think that money he added drastically affected amount of participants, it is nevertheless a shitty thing that he just did.

[paid2]

Does his recent behavior means that it is risky to do business with him? I guess the answer is cristal clear, just yes.

If reds are left when an auction is not fulfilled by the vendor/buyer, we should probably leave a red for cancelling a "sponsorship".
IMO the main idea is the same in both cases: it is risky to make a deal with this them, they don't respect their promises.

[Zuzma]

Does his recent behavior means that it is risky to do business with him? I guess the answer is cristal clear, just yes.

If reds are left when an auction is not fulfilled by the vendor/buyer, we should probably leave a red for cancelling a "sponsorship".
IMO the main idea is the same in both cases: it is risky to make a deal with this them, they don't respect their promises.

I can only express my opinion. The man promised, the man did not fulfill the promise. It is customary among gentlemen to keep promises. The motives are no longer so interesting.

Certainly, this is not correct negative feedback. He didn't harm anyone here, he didn't even send those coins. His promise was voluntary and a kind of donation and you cannot accuse someone for withdrawing his self-initiated donation.
He can always say that he urgently needs the money and that he cannot afford it at the moment.

How then can you make deals if he can stop keeping his word at any moment?
What if you send him money as a loan, but he suddenly needs it urgently and he doesn’t return it to you? will you think the same way?


he was deanomized back in December 2019, or rather, it was his personal mistake, because he began his career on the forum under his real name.
he was so stupid that his personal photos from social networks, advertisements from dating sites, advertisements from the sale of car spare parts, his mobile phone number was seen by many people from the Russian locale. he kept it all in the public domain.

[LoyceV]

He didn't harm anyone here

One could argue the 3 future winners of the contest will be harmed. I guess it'll be up to them to create an accusation, but in my opinion that will look greedy.

He can always say that he urgently needs the money and that he cannot afford it at the moment.

That's a good point, and I wouldn't want to discourage users from doing nice things because they fear reputation damage if they can't fulfill it. That's also the reason I didn't leave (neutral) feedback with my post about it.

I do not see any difference in Symmetrick Ratimov's promise too. He can not deny a trade that was agreed between him and other parties.

It wasn't really a trade. I've had a (back then reputable) online casino offer me a monthly sponsor deal for loyce.club. After the first month, they didn't keep their promises anymore. By now that account turned into an exit scam, but at the time it didn't seem like a good reason for a scam accusation. I lost nothing from breaking a promise to something I never had.

Sym-whatshisname said "sponsor". That's very different from "donor". Sponsorship is very likely to be a contract because it implies that the sponsor is receiving something in return. Words matter. No one forced him to call it that, his choice, his contract, his failure to execute.

He basically bought some temporary reputation without paying for it when he decided his reputation isn't worth the money anymore.

You could even argue that a flag type 3 is warranted but only if raised by a participant, I mean, if I was told that if I participate and do a,b,c I could win some x prize, and after that you decide that you no longer want to give me my potential prize,  you have certainly violated a contract.

That's a good point. Ratimov's post was only #11 in the thread, which means most participants posted after his pledge to increase the prize money by ~10 fold.

Such actions should be frowned upon, or else, someone can start a thread saying they will give away 10 btc for the winner, gets a ton of merit for being generous to the community, and then a few weeks before payment time, they pull the plug.

A few Newbies tried this with a (small) giveaway, then earned Merit, and didn't pay. That's why now most users stopped giving Merit to Newbie giveaway threads, but reputable members still get Merited when they do this. After all, those posts are worth reading.

[GazetaBitcoin]

he did that for the sole purpose of increasing his reputation?

This is one more evidence for those which still prefer to keep their eyes "wide shut" regarding Ratimov Symmetrick: everything this individual did on this forum was for increasing (or protecting) his reputation. He never did anything from good Samaritan spirit.

- He plagiarized and copy-pasted tons of materials, to win merits and show what-a-good-contributor-he is; built his entire pedestal on fooling forum users to merit him.
- He showered in merit his entire army of minions, in order to have them worshipping him about what-a-good-contributor-he is.
- He extorted those stating the truth about him to retract their feedbacks / words, in order to keep looking like he has a immaculate reputation here.
- He sponsored some giveaways to show what-a-nice-guy-he is -- while all these were, in fact, more maneuvers for earning merits / trust.

And now, after being exposed with all his shenanigans, which I'll repeat here:

- this topic exposes all Ratimov / Symmetrick's shenanigans from past years
- many DT and non-DT users distrust him or stop trusting him and, eventually, he is kicked out of DT and his DT strength goes from +13 to -9
- he starts a mass purge of his old posts and topics, possibly some with plagiarism evidence, involving also in his actions the 2 Russian mods which he fools into becoming his garbage men, until theymos puts a stop to this (it was too late anyway)
- he deletes all his left feedbacks, retracts all his support for flags and wipes his Trust list
- stops posting in international sections and resumes only to Russian local board
- stops earning merits with lightning speed; stops sending merits with lightning speed (if you check his merit activity you can see that lately he sent some merits at intervals of ~one week)
- changes his name
- changes his email and password.

What do all these seem like?

-- after all these, he also cancel this sponsorship for Halab's contest.

I may be wrong, but it may look like he's trying to sell his account and leave it as clean as possible for the buyer and also debt-free. If a buywer would be interested in this account, he would not like the fact he'd had to pay 1600$ for a contest, right?

Or, in case he is not trying to sell the account the second thing that comes up is that he's acting like doing all he is able to do in order to receive some negative feedbacks.


Meanwhile, Ratimov Symmetrick's DT strength reached a new record, being now -11.
Last week 2 more users added him to their distrust list (yahoo and Husires) and 3 more stopped trusting him (Charles-Tim, SatoPrincess and Smartprofit). Thank you for involving in this!

If last week the number of those trusting him was equal to the number of those distrusting him, right now, the number of the lattest became bigger: 50 users distrust him and 46 trust him. Ratimov Symmetrick's boat is sinking more and more as time passes.

From those 46 trusting him, only 27 are still active (or were active somehow recently), so there are still chances for these users to change their mind as well: Zilon, _BlackStar, Shamm, KingsDen, Silence Scream, Jossque, Coin-1, Julien_Olynpic, sky999, bubbalex, madnessteat, Snork1979, FontSeli, YOSHIE, ajanwalker, Gianluca95, rby, nimogsm, my luck, FutureBitcoin, Wapfika, dimonstration, whyrqa, CarnagexD, imhoneer, Best_Change, KTChampions.

All of the above should bear in mind (besides the already exposed shenanigans done by Ratimov Symmetrick) the fact that now they are trusting a user which has no feedback left, thus their Trust inclusion is for nothing.

As LV already emphasized twice, there is no reason to add someone in your Trust list since that user left no feedback. Practically you are supposed to trust someone's judgement from the left feedbacks, while this individual has no feedback left:

Wild guess: did he wipe his Trust list too? That leaves no reason to include him.

I'm much more curious why he still includes someone without Trust list and without sent feedback.

[mindrust]

A lot of people see this forum as a place to make money or conduct business deals and I don’t really see anything wrong with it. Raising an account just for this purpose doesn’t seem wrong to me too. In the end he didn’t get them many merits for nothing, he actually added value to the community.

The main thing is symmetrick isn’t a professional businessman as we have seen lately. Deleting topics, posts, trust ratings, canceling rewards etc all of those are unprofessional actions.

I said that before, he had many chances to get out of this mess with little or no damage but well, being unprofessional does this to you. He has the smarts to get to the top but he failed to preserve his situation which happens to many people every day.

Sometimes staying in the game is better than being fast and furious.

Ask Jesse Livermore if you can.

[Bitcoin SV]

I don't know what's going on here. So I had to read the whole thread

I read the whole thread first. I realized that one user is being blamed here. I looked through all the forum logs. And I have a question.

Why did you decide to accuse him only now? I see from old posts that many people have complained about him before, but you didn’t pay attention to the complaints of small users. You yourself confirm this in this topic that many users complained about him. But I also see that during this period many of you, the accusers present here, praised and admired this guy. How is this possible? If he's a bad guy, how could you admire him while others was complained and suffered from about him?

I have nothing against the accused guy in this topic. I have a misunderstanding of your trust system. How can you praise and put on a pedestal someone who initially, according to your words here, had bad intentions? It turns out that you are all abusers too

So my second question arises. Can I open the same topic about nutildah? I don't want to wait until nutildah gets kicked out of the DT.

Otherwise I’m afraid that when the hunt for nutildah begins, someone will get ahead of me and open a topic about him first. I want to be the first accuser of nutildah, just like he was first accuser of BSV

[digaran]

I don't know what's going on here. So I had to read the whole thread

I read the whole thread first. I realized that one user is being blamed here. I looked through all the forum logs. And I have a question.

Why did you decide to accuse him only now? I see from old posts that many people have complained about it before, but you didn’t pay attention to the complaints of small users.

So my second question arises. Can I open the same topic about nutildah? I don't want to wait until nutildah gets kicked out of the DT.

Otherwise I’m afraid that when the hunt for nutildah begins, someone will get ahead of me and open a topic about him first. I want to be the first accuser of nutildah, just like he was first accuser of BSV

Well, if you weren't mentally problematic, you'd knew you can open a topic on anyone, stop asking stupid questions and get to work, after all this is supposedly your forum or your lover's forum, REAL bitcoin ring a bell?

[examplens]

You can also look at it from the point of view that this sponsorship was an investment in his rating here on the forum. Now that that rating has been destroyed, it makes no sense for them to put money into it.

Isn't this an extra argument for negative feedback, if he did that for the sole purpose of increasing his reputation?

No, because the question is only an assumption about the motive why he did it.

Sym-whatshisname said "sponsor". That's very different from "donor". Sponsorship is very likely to be a contract because it implies that the sponsor is receiving something in return. Words matter. No one forced him to call it that, his choice, his contract, his failure to execute.

He basically bought some temporary reputation without paying for it when he decided his reputation isn't worth the money anymore.

Would we judge this case equally if there were no previous 15 pages about Ratimov's case? I believe not and am almost sure there would be no word about negative feedback.

If you say "I'm sponsoring this and here's how much I'll pay" is about as serious of a contract as it gets here on the forum. If I said something like this and then retracted it at the last minute, I'd expect to be flagged up the wazoo. Not sure where you see the difference between that and e.g. a signature campaign or some other promise to pay.

This can be interpreted in different ways, therefore I am of the opinion that it is not enough for red. Signature is payment for some kind of service, or promotion, and if you remove the ad from your sig space, you will not be paid.
In Ratimov's case, he wanted to pay for the improvement of his reputation, but he didn't get it, maybe that's why he doesn't want to pay.

If we are already dealing with assumptions, it seems that 1miau got into a similar situation after the drama against him. He previously started several competitions, but he decided to cancel them all. (He also left the signature campaign.)
However, perhaps a different interpretation of the withdrawal of sponsorship by Ratimov influenced him to change his decision once again.

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Vielen Dank für die Sponsorengelder an [banned mixer].
Die Rücktransferierung der 5 mBTC Sponsorengelder von [banned mixer] ist mit icopress abgeklärt.

Aktualisierung:
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Ich würde zusätzlich noch 0,5 mBTC zu diesem Gewinnspiel hinzugeben.   

0,5 mBTC, welches mir damals bereits zugesendet wurden, wurde an Learn Bitcoin zurückgesendet. 

Aktualisierung:
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0,25 mBTC, welches ich damals bereits verwaltet hatte, wurde an die Adresse von Lakai01 zurückgesendet. 

Bech32 address: bc1q2y9gutscwfk7damlzt60a6nm743mqmt0kr53qa

Aktualisierung:
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Also da ich selbst aktuell das BTC von mir (1 mBTC) und das 1 mBTC von CryptKeeper verwalte, würde ich die Plätze 2 und 3 raussenden können und du könntest dein 1 mBTC zum Gewinner des ersten Platzes senden, der auch das 1 mBTC von seek3r bekommen würde.

1 mBTC, welches mir damals bereits zugesendet wurde, wurde an die Adresse von CryptKeeper zurückgesendet, von der es damals verschickt wurde.

Aktualisierung:
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