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November 21, 2023, 06:05:25 PM
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War is a heartbreaking word. There are two ways for a man to survive in wartime. A state can replace another theory by moving its people out of a war zone. If the state does not have such a situation, if the war takes a terrible shape, then the people should join the war for that country and survive. You cannot think of business where your life is not guaranteed. But yes if the war situation stops then if you save Bitcoin then you can plan with it later which will serve you and your family. In general, when a war starts in a country, a thought in the mind of the people of that country is "how long will I live"!

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But also the option of "running away from war" - as for me, a citizen of Ukraine, where the war came in 2014 with an attack from Russia, this approach is not acceptable. If we all "go where there is no war" - what will happen to my country ? Capture and destruction. Then this trouble will come to the place where we decided to run away. And so on to the sad ending.
Avoiding a problem doesn't solve it, it only makes it worse. Therefore, in a situation when your country has become a victim of aggression - running away is not the most logical option, although it solves the problem for a while.
I can agree with a slightly different option - if life is not comfortable or does not work out in a given house, neighborhood, city, town, region, country - it is probably worth finding a more convenient place to realize your plans. This is normal.

Let's apply a similar formula to Gaza and Israel, Hamas is fighting for their rights and free Palestine is their only requirement so why we still call them terrorists instead of warriors?

Reality is always different and sometimes truth doesn't even shine when there is power and shine is on the other side so the practical thing is make sure you are always on the side where power lies or just move to somewhere then you life will remain.

PS Regarding the fact that the EU buys Russian oil rather than sponsoring terrorism - I partially agree. But there are nuances here - it is a forced measure, before the final decision to change suppliers. Moreover, the EU has adopted a package of laws limiting the income of the terrorist country by introducing price caps on transactions with this "commodity".
Why just limit the deals, just stop all the trade with Russia, and say we are always on the good side, no the government don't really care about the good or bad all they care about is what they need and who got it.









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November 23, 2023, 01:04:42 PM
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But also the option of "running away from war" - as for me, a citizen of Ukraine, where the war came in 2014 with an attack from Russia, this approach is not acceptable. If we all "go where there is no war" - what will happen to my country ? Capture and destruction. Then this trouble will come to the place where we decided to run away. And so on to the sad ending.
Avoiding a problem doesn't solve it, it only makes it worse. Therefore, in a situation when your country has become a victim of aggression - running away is not the most logical option, although it solves the problem for a while.
I can agree with a slightly different option - if life is not comfortable or does not work out in a given house, neighborhood, city, town, region, country - it is probably worth finding a more convenient place to realize your plans. This is normal.

Let's apply a similar formula to Gaza and Israel, Hamas is fighting for their rights and free Palestine is their only requirement so why we still call them terrorists instead of warriors?

On October 7, Hamas from the Gaza Strip fired from 2.5 to 5 thousand rockets into Israel, simply shooting at civilian settlements. More than 2,500 militants then invaded Israeli territory, including border kibbutzim and the city of Sderot, by land, sea and air. About 1,200 Israelis were killed. The attackers indiscriminately killed civilians, killing hundreds of unarmed participants in a music festival near the border with the Gaza Strip, and taking another 242 hostages. In addition to the massacre of Israeli civilians, there have been cases of sexual violence against Israeli women.
The issue is now being resolved with a temporary truce and mutual fuel supplies for the release of 50 women and children whom the attackers took hostage.

It is hardly worth calling such actions a struggle for independence, and calling the attackers warriors. These are ordinary terrorists who chose civilians of another state as the target of their attacks and decided to frighten Israel with terrorist attacks and blackmail them with hostages. At the same time, it was their stupid fatal mistake, since after this the Hamas group will most likely be defeated and cease to exist. The Palestinians will quickly create their own state without the participation of Hamas.

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November 24, 2023, 07:52:09 AM
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But also the option of "running away from war" - as for me, a citizen of Ukraine, where the war came in 2014 with an attack from Russia, this approach is not acceptable. If we all "go where there is no war" - what will happen to my country ? Capture and destruction. Then this trouble will come to the place where we decided to run away. And so on to the sad ending.
Avoiding a problem doesn't solve it, it only makes it worse. Therefore, in a situation when your country has become a victim of aggression - running away is not the most logical option, although it solves the problem for a while.
I can agree with a slightly different option - if life is not comfortable or does not work out in a given house, neighborhood, city, town, region, country - it is probably worth finding a more convenient place to realize your plans. This is normal.

Let's apply a similar formula to Gaza and Israel, Hamas is fighting for their rights and free Palestine is their only requirement so why we still call them terrorists instead of warriors?

On October 7, Hamas from the Gaza Strip fired from 2.5 to 5 thousand rockets into Israel, simply shooting at civilian settlements. More than 2,500 militants then invaded Israeli territory, including border kibbutzim and the city of Sderot, by land, sea and air. About 1,200 Israelis were killed. The attackers indiscriminately killed civilians, killing hundreds of unarmed participants in a music festival near the border with the Gaza Strip, and taking another 242 hostages. In addition to the massacre of Israeli civilians, there have been cases of sexual violence against Israeli women.
The issue is now being resolved with a temporary truce and mutual fuel supplies for the release of 50 women and children whom the attackers took hostage.

It is hardly worth calling such actions a struggle for independence, and calling the attackers warriors. These are ordinary terrorists who chose civilians of another state as the target of their attacks and decided to frighten Israel with terrorist attacks and blackmail them with hostages. At the same time, it was their stupid fatal mistake, since after this the Hamas group will most likely be defeated and cease to exist. The Palestinians will quickly create their own state without the participation of Hamas.

You can't erase the conflict and history between these two states based on just one incident, I am not saying what Hamas did was right to Israeli civilians but what Israel government retaliate with? Bombarded residential buildings, hospitals, and religious destinations, cut down the basic necessities of food, water, and fuel supply for weeks which is justifiable according to your opinion?

Even UN condemned what Israel did also terrorism and killed way more than what Hamas did so can we declare the Israel government as terrorist organization too?












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November 24, 2023, 08:20:00 AM
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In general, when a war starts in a country, a thought in the mind of the people of that country is "how long will I live"!

and that is the first and correct thing. However, if God wants us to be safe and our family members, of course we have to plan it because the post-war recovery process takes a long time, starting from people and infrastructure, the government has to fix it. So, if you have some savings, either BTC or fiat, it will help a little for us and our family at that time.

BTC is also a good option as an asset.

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War is a heartbreaking word. There are two ways for a man to survive in wartime. A state can replace another theory by moving its people out of a war zone. If the state does not have such a situation, if the war takes a terrible shape, then the people should join the war for that country and survive. You cannot think of business where your life is not guaranteed. But yes if the war situation stops then if you save Bitcoin then you can plan with it later which will serve you and your family. In general, when a war starts in a country, a thought in the mind of the people of that country is "how long will I live"!

When there is a war in a country then one cannot think about earning money or saving money because everyone is in Struggle to save their lives. During war either you will be a part of war or if government can control the war through army then I think they should provide another save environment to their citizens. Bitcoin investment is necessary just for living a satisfied life and it has no concerned with war. Although it can be happen that due to war if resources reduces in a country then you can use your bitcoin investment for managing life expenses.



 

 

 

 

 

 


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November 24, 2023, 02:26:29 PM
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You can't erase the conflict and history between these two states based on just one incident, I am not saying what Hamas did was right to Israeli civilians but what Israel government retaliate with? Bombarded residential buildings, hospitals, and religious destinations, cut down the basic necessities of food, water, and fuel supply for weeks which is justifiable according to your opinion?

Even UN condemned what Israel did also terrorism and killed way more than what Hamas did so can we declare the Israel government as terrorist organization too?

Any political, military or other organization, before attacking another state, must take into account that there will be a response and there will be a retaliatory military strike. Hamas in this case was located in hospitals, kindergartens, its offices were in civilian multi-story buildings, that is, it is obvious that this organization deliberately hid behind civilians and Hamas leaders did not care deeply about the residents of the Gaza Strip. But Israel has the right to self-defense; in retaliatory military actions, civilians are dying and will always die. If you do not respond to such terrorist attacks, fearing that the civilian population of the attacking side will die, then the terrorists will take this into account and will constantly hide behind civilians. And then what? Let terrorists do what they want and rule the world?

Enlighten us on what the Israeli military should have done to get rid of Hamas terrorist attacks without killing civilians in Gaza?

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You can't erase the conflict and history between these two states based on just one incident, I am not saying what Hamas did was right to Israeli civilians but what Israel government retaliate with? Bombarded residential buildings, hospitals, and religious destinations, cut down the basic necessities of food, water, and fuel supply for weeks which is justifiable according to your opinion?

Even UN condemned what Israel did also terrorism and killed way more than what Hamas did so can we declare the Israel government as terrorist organization too?
Yeah this is basically what war is about, one side attacks civilians, so the other side responds the same way, and basically there are evil people in war and there are innocent people in war, and because of what evil people do from the both sides, innocent people in both sides die. That's just reality of war, do you really think that even in Nazi Germany time, which could be arguably the most clear "yes we need to start war and it's a justified war" situation in history, there was absolutely zero innocent people killed?

I mean that war was as justified as it could ever be, you are attacking a killing machine who murdered everyone on its path, so you had to stop them, and waged war against them, and yet even in that there were innocent people killed by allies. So this is why we need to remember that if it's avoidable, we should avoid war at all costs, unless there is absolutely no other possible choice left, you have to be forced to go into a war, otherwise it's never good.
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War is a heartbreaking word. There are two ways for a man to survive in wartime. A state can replace another theory by moving its people out of a war zone. If the state does not have such a situation, if the war takes a terrible shape, then the people should join the war for that country and survive. You cannot think of business where your life is not guaranteed. But yes if the war situation stops then if you save Bitcoin then you can plan with it later which will serve you and your family. In general, when a war starts in a country, a thought in the mind of the people of that country is "how long will I live"!

When there is a war in a country then one cannot think about earning money or saving money because everyone is in Struggle to save their lives. During war either you will be a part of war or if government can control the war through army then I think they should provide another save environment to their citizens. Bitcoin investment is necessary just for living a satisfied life and it has no concerned with war. Although it can be happen that due to war if resources reduces in a country then you can use your bitcoin investment for managing life expenses.

I do not understand how the concept is to invest in bitcoin to manage your life when there is a war in the country you live in, honestly you are true that when the war occurs then what is definitely done is everyone will prioritize his safety first, even wealth can no longer be valuable When war occurs in your place.

Logically everyone will divert their assets to assets that are easy to liquidate and their value is fairly strong during the war, this might be more logic, unless the place you live in is not a war area, it can be done.
But if you speak clearly and have the opportunity to move to other countries, I think it's better to move to the situation and start a business or work in another country to maintain your life than risking lives, but that is not for people who have a nationalist soul, but There is no harm in you who want to be safe.

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November 24, 2023, 06:19:19 PM
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I mean that war was as justified as it could ever be, you are attacking a killing machine who murdered everyone on its path, so you had to stop them, and waged war against them, and yet even in that there were innocent people killed by allies. So this is why we need to remember that if it's avoidable, we should avoid war at all costs, unless there is absolutely no other possible choice left, you have to be forced to go into a war, otherwise it's never good.

Every story has two sides but what we in the media all over the world is one side of it because Gaza people don't even have electricity to worry about other things, still yet to manage to capture the attacks of Israel against the Gaza people via social media. And to be honest Israel seemed to wait for such movement from Hamas so they could attack and destroy Gaza for a very long time.









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November 26, 2023, 06:46:38 AM
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And to be honest Israel seemed to wait for such movement from Hamas so they could attack and destroy Gaza for a very long time.

Almost the same thing began to be said in Russia, when after two months of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, even without the provision of serious Western weapons to Ukraine, the “second army of the world” had to urgently flee from the central and northern regions of Ukraine in order not to be completely defeated by the Ukrainian Armed Forces. After this, Russian propagandists began to say that Ukraine was pretending to be weak and thereby provoked an attack on it by Russia. A very interesting theory.

Any current potential aggressor must understand that if a neighbor is attacked, the international community will unite its efforts to help the victim of aggression. Only in this way can the aggressor be discouraged from starting wars of conquest. Military aggression is always aggression if the attack occurs on foreign territory and there can be no justification here.

Hamas will in any case regret its stupid and brutal attack on Israeli populated areas. In fact, Russia will also do this over time.

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I hate wars. I hate conflicts. Both they are almost unavailable. Wars and conflicts disrupts lives. It kills people - men, women, babies. Businesses are shot down. Schools are shot down. Boys become father's and look after their moms and siblings because their father has gone to war. Daughters become mothers and have to care for their siblings because they lose their mothers to war. Children with perfectly normal lives become refugees

Wars and conflicts doesn't give you the time to plan. It happens fast and it happens suddenly. It comes with a huge economic cost. And for us in the cryptocurrency, we are not exempted too. If you are a miner, your mining operation is affected because if you are caught up in the conflict, you have to abandon it and flee so that you do not get killed.

I am deeply saddened by these wars. I am not taking sides because there are human causalities in both sides.

- do you have any survival tips during war period?
- are there any business that I can do during a period of war so as to sustain my family? Can I still budget, save and earn in Bitcoin?
- What is the economic impacts on individuals with families and how do I sustain them during war period.

Very few people here, unless they live in a conflict zone, will have any appreciation or useful tips for "survival" during a period of war. War is also not the same, there are all sorts of varieties - two equal peer countries engaged in combat will suffer much more equally than a rebel insurgency trying to overthrow an established government. Business is also dynamic and it's impossible to say what would be good or bad, plus you may not want to be seen as profiteering during these time periods when people are literally dying to defend your freedom - the government might seize any businesses it perceives are too greedy for the war effort. Again, the economic impacts will vary too widely, a country in Africa might have different priorities - just getting water for example - than a country like Ukraine that is still trying to prosper.

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November 26, 2023, 10:09:00 AM
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I hate wars. I hate conflicts. Both they are almost unavailable. Wars and conflicts disrupts lives. It kills people - men, women, babies. Businesses are shot down. Schools are shot down. Boys become father's and look after their moms and siblings because their father has gone to war. Daughters become mothers and have to care for their siblings because they lose their mothers to war. Children with perfectly normal lives become refugees
There's nothing good about war and even the war lords know about this. I read that after the Nigerian civil war, many people were still persuading Odumegwu Ojukwu, the Biafra veteran war lord to initiate another war. But Ojukwu answered them that if there is war, it is not only human that suffers. Both plants, animals, air, water and even spirits suffer. So there's no need for another war.

Even the soldiers sent for war, many of them go to such mission against their wish. All human needs peaceful coexistence.

I am deeply saddened by these wars. I am not taking sides because there are human causalities in both sides.
Some will see you as a coward but honestly, war is not the best solution to solving conflicts but then we must expect wars. It must not be of weapons and arms, it could be an economic war as we have witnessed recently.

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November 26, 2023, 12:28:14 PM
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- do you have any survival tips during war period?
- are there any business that I can do during a period of war so as to sustain my family? Can I still budget, save and earn in Bitcoin?
- What is the economic impacts on individuals with families and how do I sustain them during war period.


My heartfelt sympathy to the people in your country, for the ugly experience of war, I've not experienced war myself, but the horrible tales of it from older folks who expanded it, is not what I ever look forward to witnessing.

In the time of war, I believe that it's how to stay alive that should be our Paramount concern, not really about a business to do. I also believe that in situations of war, food and health care are provided for citizens, your family can survive on that till things improve, also if you can find a way to leave the country with your family, better. As you're into bitcoin, if you're lucky to still have internet connection and a smart phone in your hand, then the best thing is to continue trading or accumulating bitcoin, to hold. It is decentralized, so when the experience of war is over, you can sale, convert to fiat of your choice and start all over.

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- do you have any survival tips during war period?

There is no universal advice... it depends on whether you live in the city or in the countryside, and what kind of group you are surrounded by, whether you have weapons, there are many factors that can influence decision-making in difficult moments. If you are not a fighter maybe you can decide to run, but even running is not simple in many ways! Except you need money for wherever you are going it can be very hard to leave behind everything you built over the years, and not only you, but maybe your entire heritage.

- are there any business that I can do during a period of war so as to sustain my family? Can I still budget, save and earn in Bitcoin?

Of course, people need to eat, drive, and have fun... My father took me to smuggle gasoline, food, different house accessories, and of course cigarettes. But that was on some small scale just to survive... But the government and people connected with that made zillions in that time. You don't pay taxes, it's all cash... and people without moral compass had other ways of making even more money. And that money needs to be spent in some restaurants, parties, and singers who are singing national songs are in demand, big one. All in all, it's a circus, but as long as we live we find a way to survive.

- What is the economic impacts on individuals with families and how do I sustain them during war period.

Well, I was in two wars and I grew up in a real mess... I guess I didn't understand many things back then, young and crazy, how else to understand the wish to have more to feel more? Now when I have kids it's a different perspective, but like any parent, when things become hard I will try to find a way and I will probably do whatever I need to keep my family safe.

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Wars are started and wars are ended by a few countries and a few people in the world and a few countries in the world. Many countries cannot refrain from war even if they want to because they have nothing to do.
Many countries continue to be anti-war because of regional and geographical interests and colonial politics so that if war exists among them, they can also profit. Because of this many times war does not end

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November 26, 2023, 11:14:37 PM
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Wars are started and wars are ended by a few countries and a few people in the world and a few countries in the world. Many countries cannot refrain from war even if they want to because they have nothing to do.
Many countries continue to be anti-war because of regional and geographical interests and colonial politics so that if war exists among them, they can also profit. Because of this many times war does not end

some countries are also obviously much powerful than others in terms of military and economical powers it’s devastating because instead of helping or showing a stand, some countries tend to just step aside and watch things unfold if the war has no direct impact on the country especially if a much powerful country, one that also helps the lesser powerful countries, is involved they might not want to upset the powerful country and risk losing their connection

people are dying from wars but politics is politics and countries will always take a stand based on what they will gain or what they will lose

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I hate wars. I hate conflicts. Both they are almost unavailable. Wars and conflicts disrupts lives.
No one likes wars, not even the soldiers at the frontline.
War is like a parasite with tentacles that drains the living day light out of everything it touches. It doesn’t benefit anyone or any side to the story, yet you find this conflict situations existing within us.
Being prone to anger, means you could be prone to conflict and war. It’s a part of our human existence and one that can end humanity.

War ends in minutes the civilization that has taken a lifetime to build, it reduces nations to rubbles and holds nothing back on its path to destruction.
My heart goes to those having to endure this process at the time and hope the rest of our world do the most they could to support every side. Every fighting side is a victim and a part to humanity. War is the real enemy here and not the people at war with themselves. Let’s our coexist and know that we share this world together and we need ourselves to survive.

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Wars are started and wars are ended by a few countries and a few people in the world and a few countries in the world. Many countries cannot refrain from war even if they want to because they have nothing to do.
Many countries continue to be anti-war because of regional and geographical interests and colonial politics so that if war exists among them, they can also profit. Because of this many times war does not end

some countries are also obviously much powerful than others in terms of military and economical powers it’s devastating because instead of helping or showing a stand, some countries tend to just step aside and watch things unfold if the war has no direct impact on the country especially if a much powerful country, one that also helps the lesser powerful countries, is involved they might not want to upset the powerful country and risk losing their connection

people are dying from wars but politics is politics and countries will always take a stand based on what they will gain or what they will lose
this is true because country also needs to mantain the resource that they have in the right place, I think there's many reasons why some countries out there decide to mind their own business for various purposes.
honestly when it comes to economic implications I think we can agree with the fact that inflation does increase a lot these days that it decreasing our buying powers.
not to mention the worsening housing market thats just simply unaffordable for people and keep in mind that having a house to live in, basically a shelter is basic needs.
can't really grow when half of our money goes to rent, it will be great if the wars could eventually be ended, lifting off a burden from the world economic is always a good thing but we know things are complicated.

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Wars are started and wars are ended by a few countries and a few people in the world and a few countries in the world. Many countries cannot refrain from war even if they want to because they have nothing to do.
Many countries continue to be anti-war because of regional and geographical interests and colonial politics so that if war exists among them, they can also profit. Because of this many times war does not end
Apparently, in order for there to be no wars or significantly fewer of them, states must agree with existing borders and not try to change them by force. Now, for example, Venezuela suddenly remembered that more than a hundred years ago, a significant part of the current territory of Guyana belonged to Venezuela and they intend to take it back by military means. Although the real reason for this possible war is the discovery of large oil deposits in this disputed territory. Apparently, human nature is such that he will always fight with his neighbors until humanity itself perishes.

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