Economic Implications of War on Individuals

[gloffs]

Well, let's talk about the level of democracy and police states in Ukraine and Russia.
According to the democracy index, which can be found on Wikipedia, Ukraine ranks 87th in the overall table of countries in the world in terms of democracy and is classified as a hybrid regime of government. Russia ranks 146th in terms of democracy and is classified as an authoritarian government.


In reply to your statement and referring to Wikipedia I would say that Wikipedia is a voice of the globalist elite.
Therefore this source can't be trusted.
The globalists control all mass media of the west. Therefore one has to be very dumbed down to be seriously influenced by this piece of globalist propaganda.


Further. In terms of the level of the electoral process and pluralism of opinions, Ukraine has 6.5 points, and Russia only 0.92 points. Since Ukraine and Russia are actually at war, try going to the square with a “No to War” banner in Moscow and Kyiv. In Kyiv, they won’t be taken to the police station for this, but in Moscow, such a person will stand for a matter of seconds and most likely will be convicted of discrediting the army. In Russia you can’t even say the word “war”; people are put behind bars for this.

In terms of the political participation of the people in governing the country, Ukraine has 7.22 points, Russia - 2.22.
In terms of political culture, Ukraine has 6.25 points, Russia - 3.75. It is understandable what kind of political culture the orcs might have.
In terms of civil liberties, Ukraine has 4.41 points, Russia - 2.35 points.

Source:
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81_%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BC %D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B8/%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%82%D0%B8% D0%BD%D0%B3_2022_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0


This source is not trustworthy. Therefore I am not convinced.


Regarding the fact that in Ukraine, military registration and enlistment office workers grab people on the streets and send them to war, there are excesses in this matter, and in Ukraine they are fighting against these phenomena. For each fact of violation of the rights of citizens, inspections are carried out and the guilty employees of the military registration and enlistment offices are then sent to the front themselves.
Source:
https://war.gordonua.com/amp/ochen-mnohie-rabotniki-ttsk-prosto-otpravljajutsja-v-boevye-podrazdelenija-venislavskij-rasskazal-o-reahirovanii-na-narushenie-prav-cheloveka-voenkomami-1706388. html
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Again this is a piece of Ukraininan propaganda. As always you twisted the facts.
According to the laws of Ukraine everyone of male sex aged 18 to 60 must fight the Russians and it does not matter whether he wants or does not want to be enlisted.
People do not want to be sent to the meat grinder and that's the end of it. So this is not democracy.
Any inspection would come to a conclusion that no law has been violated when anyone is sent to the meat grinder against his will.
 

[Argoo]

Again this is a piece of Ukraininan propaganda. As always you twisted the facts.
According to the laws of Ukraine everyone of male sex aged 18 to 60 must fight the Russians and it does not matter whether he wants or does not want to be enlisted.
People do not want to be sent to the meat grinder and that's the end of it. So this is not democracy.
Any inspection would come to a conclusion that no law has been violated when anyone is sent to the meat grinder against his will.
 

In Russia, as in Ukraine, there is universal conscription. This means that in the event of mobilization, every citizen of military age who does not have the right to deferment is obliged to serve in the army and fight for his country, regardless of his desire. In Russia, this is regulated by Article 17 of the Federal Law of February 26, 1997 N 31-FZ (as amended on March 23, 2024) “On mobilization preparation and mobilization in the Russian Federation.”

  On September 21, 2022, Putin issued a decree on partial mobilization in the Russian Federation and on the same day made an appeal to citizens in which he announced that he was announcing partial mobilization. It started on the same day. The document he signed did not say how many people were planned to be drafted - the number and timing were to be established by the Russian Ministry of Defense. On the same day, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu announced that they intend to conscript 300 thousand people. On October 28, 2022, the head of the Ministry of Defense reported to the president that partial mobilization was completed.
Putin, summing up the results of 2023, said that after partial mobilization in the fall of 2022, a large campaign began to attract people on a voluntary basis. He said that 486 thousand people had been recruited in a year, so there was no need for further mobilization. But hidden mobilization in Russia has been and is being carried out throughout the entire period of military operations against Ukraine.

Therefore, I can disappoint you. If Russia has a problem with live meat on the Ukrainian front, you may also be forcibly mobilized into the massacre that Putin has organized.

[gloffs]

Therefore, I can disappoint you. If Russia has a problem with live meat on the Ukrainian front, you may also be forcibly mobilized into the massacre that Putin has organized.


But this hasn't happened yet and most likely it would not happen.
For this to happen the West must start conscripting male population in Western countries because Ukraine is already short of man power. The question is will the West start a war with Russia? I am afraid that it would be very difficult for the West to mobilize large quantities of man power. Nobody wants to die in the name of democracy in interpretation of Biden and company.

[Argoo]

Zelensky is of course an actor, but very poor acting by him. You need to realize one thing: there is no Ukraine and no allies. There's US fighting Russia with the hands of Ukrainians. So this theatrical show (can also be called a good cop vs bad cop scenario) is there just to show that US government cares about oil supply and prices. Do they care in fact? Definitely not! Actually, they're happy the prices are going up so they can get more money for their own oil. Zelensky is just a sockpuppet reading out loud stuff received from the US sources.    

Then we can also say that China is at war with the West at the hands of the Russians. It is now beneficial for China to weaken both the United States and Europe and Russia through war. China is now taking advantage of the situation and buying oil and gas from Russia at a third lower price than they were previously supplied by Russia to European countries. China is now using Russia as its raw materials appendage and Russia is forced to buy Chinese goods instead of European ones. In exchange for some help from Russia, Putin is now allowing China to regain control of previously lost territories in Siberia and the Far East without war. And not only these territories.

  Considering that in the last nine years there has been a continuous decrease in the population of Russia, and also that the war with Ukraine continues to take the lives of the most active Russians, they are being replaced on Russian territory by the Chinese. Russian women give preference to hardworking Chinese men instead of lazy and always drunk Russian men.

[gloffs]

  Considering that in the last nine years there has been a continuous decrease in the population of Russia, and also that the war with Ukraine continues to take the lives of the most active Russians, they are being replaced on Russian territory by the Chinese. Russian women give preference to hardworking Chinese men instead of lazy and always drunk Russian men.

No you are wrong here, my dear friend. Not in the first part but in the second. Russian women are not happy about mating with Chinese men. Please take note that those Chienese that come to live in Russia are not the Chinese that live in Southern China. These are totally different people. Those Chinese who come to Russia are extremely poor and dirty. Their appearances are very unpleasant and they smell badly.

The real problem for Russia now is uncontrolled migration from the Middle Asia but not from China. However numerous activists in Russia are now publicly speaking out about this problem and it seems that the state policy toward migration is starting to change somewhat.

I have been practicing Shotokan karate for 30 years now and during the last few years I have been practicing more and more hard style karate stuff in order to better prepare myself for any kind of a conflict with such a migrant.    

[Argoo]

Today the US Senate is scheduled to vote on the $60 billion aid bill to Ukraine, which was approved by the House of Representatives on April 20. Biden has already stated that he will sign it as quickly as possible and weapons, including long-range ATACMS shells, will soon arrive in Ukraine. Then it will be possible to clearly see at what depth in Russia military installations will explode under the blows of high-precision Western weapons.
In this regard, the Crimean Bridge, it seems, will soon tire and fall in parts to the bottom of the sea.

Don't worry, Ukraine is not going to receive $60 billion worth of military support. As to the ATACMS missiles, Ukraine already used them (slightly shorter range though) and they don't require too much effort from the Russians to intercept and destroy.

Your predictions that Ukraine would not receive about $60 billion in military aid from the United States did not come true. Russia spent a lot of effort and money to prevent such assistance from being provided, but it was allocated, albeit with a long delay. Of course, the delay in the allocation of such assistance for six months is now affecting the front. Military aid is already reaching Ukrainians on the front lines, but not yet in sufficient quantities. The Russian occupiers seek to exploit the difficulties with weapons for Ukraine to the maximum in order to seize as much territory of Ukraine as possible and therefore attack wherever such an opportunity arises. But such opportunities for Russians will soon become available and they understand this.

Now Russia is also attacking Ukraine in the Kharkov region near the city of Vovchansk. Whether they want to capture Kharkov, or get within artillery range of it, or whether this is just a diversionary strike to force Ukraine to weaken its defense of the Donetsk direction, time will tell. But most likely, this next adventure of the Russians will end with the loss of several tens of thousands more soldiers and a lot of armored vehicles that are already in short supply for the Russians.

[serveria.com]

Then we can also say that China is at war with the West at the hands of the Russians.

No, we can't say that. Ukraine is a sockpuppet, controlled by the US. Russia is a global superpower (think US, China) therefore it can't be controlled. China can't control Russia but they can be friends with Russia and eventually control the entire world.

It is now beneficial for China to weaken both the United States and Europe and Russia through war.

It's definitely beneficial for China to weaken the US and EU but not Russia. China needs an ally in case WW3 breaks out.

China is now taking advantage of the situation and buying oil and gas from Russia at a third lower price than they were previously supplied by Russia to European countries.

Energy prices tend to fluctuate so how can you tell what would the oil and gas prices be if Russia would continue to sell directly? Perhaps it would be the same they're offering to China? Btw, any proof they're selling gas and oil at lower prices than before? Perhaps a link to a reputable source?  

China is now using Russia as its raw materials appendage and Russia is forced to buy Chinese goods instead of European ones.

That's a huge opportunity and a huge new market for China. While Western companies were forced to leave this market and lose billions due to sanctions, their factories and other assets in Russia getting nationalized etc Chinese car manufacturers for example are entering the Russian market. The worst part for the Western producers is that this process is irreversible: Chinese companies are opening factories, dealerships and people in Russia are getting used to these new brands with no desire to get back to old conventional Western brands. Who do you think is a loser in this situation?  

In exchange for some help from Russia, Putin is now allowing China to regain control of previously lost territories in Siberia and the Far East without war. And not only these territories.

Crazy things are happening in the parallel universe of retarded Ukrainian propaganda.  

  Considering that in the last nine years there has been a continuous decrease in the population of Russia,

Ahh, it's always a pleasure to catch a lying troll red-handed:

and also that the war with Ukraine continues to take the lives of the most active Russians, they are being replaced on Russian territory by the Chinese. Russian women give preference to hardworking Chinese men instead of lazy and always drunk Russian men.

I think you meant Ukrainian men here? Most Ukrainians are lazy and always drunk. At 30yo most of them look like they're in their 50ies! And I already posted before, that many AFU recruits are so drunk they can't even stand straight during the training exercises.

Meanwhile Russians keep capturing new territories, they've captured about 110 square km up North from Kharkiv recently. Not bad for lazy and always drunk huh? All these territories are lost forever, although this (and also hundreds of thousands of dead Ukrainians) could have been easily avoided by Zelensky (the US). Sign a peace treaty with Russia and offer them Donbas and Crimea. That's it, the war will stop, people will stop dying, Ukraine will keep their statehood, Putin will get what he wants.  

[gloffs]

My reply to Argoo:

I have found an interesting article about what is currently going on in Russia and I decided to have it translated into English because in the end this info contains some interesting ideas about former president of Ukraine Yanukovich:

The Russian Game of Thrones has reached a stage that has been talked about for a long time, but only now has it become inevitable. In conditions of compression of rental resources, small clans and second- and third-tier groups stealing billions and tens of billions  were thrown under the knife. But in the current conditions, this is already catastrophically insufficient, so the highest circle, raking in trillions, is now coming under attack. And their assets, after a short audit (that’s why Belousov was sent to substitute Shoigu), will be redistributed among the remaining ones.
“Stability” for a system that is diving down looks exactly like this and no other way. The whole can only be saved at the cost of sending a part of the system to the bioreactor.

Considering that the created social system and control system are closed in on themselves, this does not solve the key problem of sustainability, since in order to maintain it  you will have to sacrifice someone else again, passing the next critical point.

There is a Feigenbaum principle that describes bifurcations in a catastrophic system, which says that the frequency of such bifurcations will increase - that is, the time between slaughter of the next highest clan will decrease. And this is the direct reason for the future civil war in Russia and the collapse of the entire system into independent communities, since in parallel with slaughtering  some groups, other groups will begin the process of self-isolation from the system as a whole, saving what they have acquired by stealing assets of people of the former USSR in dirty privatization schemes of 1990-ies.

This is roughly how Yanukovych laid the foundation for a civil war in Ukraine, when he began not just to “pinch off” pieces, but launched the process of destroying all competing oligarchic groups. Yanukovych was as dumb as a plug, and he began to smash everyone at once, which led to the consolidation of the oligarchs against him and to the Maidan of 2013/2014. The Kremlin’s senses are more subtle, and they deal with competitors one by one, but the process itself is absolutely identical to what was going on in Ukraine prior to Maidan.

And here are my comments to this:

In fact it is the US that is guilty of setting up a rotten capitalist oligarch system in Russia after USSR disintegrated in 1991.

At that time the US assisted Yeltsin’s Russia with privatization. It was the US economic advisors who told Yeltsin’s Russia how to change Russian economy from communist economy to a free market economy. 

But it turned out that these advisors gave Russia wrong lessons on the market economy. Privatization of tens of thousands of industrial enterprises of the former USSR was carried out with colossal injustice whereby all the property that was privatized was grabbed by thieves at prices that were far below fair market prices. In fact one can say that essentially all the privatized property was stolen from people of Russia.

The same injustice was served in Ukraine.

Only Belarus did not allow grand theft of this scale to take place and there was no privatization on such a grand scale in Belarus . After this grand theft the new class of filthy rich Russian oligarchs came to the stage. The rich became filthy rich and the poor became extremely poor.

All of this was done under a watchful eye of the Clinton administration in the White House.

Then Putin came to power. Regretfully for patriots of Russia Putin spoke out many times that he was not going to reconsider the results of privatization in Russia. So he was not objecting to the oligarchs keeping their loot. But he told them that they could continue doing business in Russia only on a condition that they share some part of their profits with Kremlin and not interfere in politics.

In the last 10 years it has become painfully clear to me that it was the US that created this new class of oligarchs in Russia and it was done on purpose because the new oligarchs understood very well that the people of Russia would never accept the results of privatization in Russia. And so they started to move all their profits out of Russia and put their money in the Western banks. The richest people of Russia have been plundering Russian resources and regularly took their capitals outside of Russia by moving their money to UK, USA and other offshore jurisdictions.

Recently you told me in this forum about Yanukovich that he was a bad person because he did this and that. I am not going to argue with you whether he was a good person or a bad person because his character has nothing to do with what’s now going on in Ukraine. He was a thief just like so many thieves in Russia and Ukraine at that time.

The message that I want to get across to you is the fact that the US created a system of corruption  in Ukraine  and Russia in order to be able to take advantage of this system of corruption and exploit the country’s population and resources by impoverishing ordinary people of Ukraine and Russia.

The US calculated beforehand how to take advantage of this little war between president Yanukovich and other Ukrainian oligarchs and arranged Maidan in Ukraine by using the oligarchs that were offended by Yanukovich.

As regards Russia the US was massively exploiting Russia and its population. However when Putin came to power he managed to protect Russia from this exploitation of Russia by greedy US corporations but he did not punish all those thieves (oligarchs) in Russia that became filthy rich as a result of illegal privatization in the 90-ies.

Now the US desires to carry out regime change in Russia. However it became clear to millions of ordinary people of Russia that the US is not a friend but a very conniving enemy whose main goal is to enslave and exploit them just like it was done in 1990-ies in the Yeltsin’s Russia.

On the other hand Putin still does not plan to reconsider the results of privatization in Russia and the ruling clans of Russia still want to continue enjoying their privileged status that was achieved by them as a result of privatization.

We will see how it will develop from here.   

[Argoo]

@gloffs. I largely agree with the above article and your views. After the collapse of the USSR, oligarchic clans came to power in almost all republics and mercilessly robbed their people. This happened and is happening in both Russia and Ukraine. But this is not what led to the events of Maidan in Ukraine, but precisely political motives. Yanukovych, at Putin’s prompting, sharply abandoned the course of Ukraine’s accession to the European Union, and this was the reason why Ukrainians came to the Maidan of Independence in Kyiv with mass protests. Yanukovych and his entourage could continue to rob the Ukrainian people, as almost all presidents did before him and after him. But it was precisely his refusal to join the European Union that the people did not forgive him, which led to the current dramatic consequences.

Putin became the worst ruler in Russia because he and his entourage not only robbed their people. Putin physically eliminated any opposition to him in all spheres, deprived the people of freedom of speech and expression of their views. He practically uncontrollably manages at his own discretion all government structures, including the State Duma, which are designed to restrain his power. In fact, he is a dictator, a tsar in Russia. Uncontrolled power has never led to good things. The only thing Putin cannot do is create a relatively fair system for the distribution of material wealth in society, because he himself will be destroyed by his so-called elite. He robs the people and allows his associates to do it. Compare his condition at the time of coming to power with the current one. Did he buy all this for the president's salary?

But because of unlimited power and permissiveness, he imagined himself almost a god and, as in a fairy tale, he wanted to become the ruler of the whole world and redraw the existing borders of states at his discretion and decide which peoples and nations should exist and which should not. But higher powers will not allow the devil to rule for long.

[gloffs]

But because of unlimited power and permissiveness, he imagined himself almost a god and, as in a fairy tale, he wanted to become the ruler of the whole world and redraw the existing borders of states at his discretion and decide which peoples and nations should exist and which should not. But higher powers will not allow the devil to rule for long.


Most of what you said above is true but I believe that you exaggerated his wish to become the ruler of the world, Nobody knows what's going on inside Putin's mind. You don't know and I don't know. Anyway we will see what happens next because I know that people can't be fooled all the time. Not me and not you. I am watching, analysing and drawing my own conclusions. But at the same time I know that MH-17 was not shot down by Russian military or by anyone in Russia. I am sure that this was a provocation done by CIA.
Have you ever read the book Confessions of an economic hitman? This book is an excellent reading material showing the methods of political manipulation employed by CIA and NSA.
And again CIA was behind the Maidan coup. And I know that 9-11 was an inside job. There are so many facts that reveal the true face of American imperialism.
In other words globalists that rule the US and the whole world are  not better than Putin. You state that Putin is a dictator like Hitler but at the same time one can say that Putin, Biden, Macron are just actors or puppets controlled by invisible puppet masters.
The ruling elite in Russia uses one method of manipulating electorate, the ruling elite in the US uses another method to do the same. Noone can be trusted.
In other words your hate toward Putin is unreasonable.

Zelensky is a SOB but he is your SOB. Therefore he is a person of a high morale and character. Putin is an SOB as well but he is not your SOB. So you compare him to Hitler. This is stupid logic used by the US.  

[Freeesta]

To survive during war, it is necessary first of all to eliminate mass gatherings of people. Try to minimize going out, order groceries delivered to your home, and be prepared to quickly navigate in case of danger.

I doubt it about doing business during war. It will be much easier to move to a safer place if you feel that you are not able to feed your family.

The state supports military personnel and members of their families in every possible way. There are various benefits and payments. The most important help in this difficult time is support, people give their lives so that we can sleep peacefully and for that we need to be grateful!

[serveria.com]

But this is not what led to the events of Maidan in Ukraine, but precisely political motives.

Yanukovych, at Putin’s prompting, sharply abandoned the course of Ukraine’s accession to the European Union, and this was the reason why Ukrainians came to the Maidan of Independence in Kyiv with mass protests. Yanukovych and his entourage could continue to rob the Ukrainian people, as almost all presidents did before him and after him. But it was precisely his refusal to join the European Union that the people did not forgive him, which led to the current dramatic consequences.

No, the cookies was the main reason. Iraq, Libya, Ukraine, Belarus, Venezuela, Russia, Serbia, Moldova, just recently Georgia. These ""mass protests" are carbon copies of each other and are masterminded and sponsored by the CIA. How many lives and countries ruined without a single gunshot, without a single American soldier stepping on their soil... unfortunately, many stupid peeps with room temperature IQ like Argoo still continue to swallow the bait....  

[gloffs]

Yeah. That's it. The cookies handed out by Victoria Nuland herself.

[Argoo]

Meanwhile Russians keep capturing new territories, they've captured about 110 square km up North from Kharkiv recently. Not bad for lazy and always drunk huh? All these territories are lost forever, although this (and also hundreds of thousands of dead Ukrainians) could have been easily avoided by Zelensky (the US). Sign a peace treaty with Russia and offer them Donbas and Crimea. That's it, the war will stop, people will stop dying, Ukraine will keep their statehood, Putin will get what he wants.  

I can even make you happy. On the sixth day of continuous attacks, Russian occupiers in the Kharkov region have already captured 190 square kilometers of Ukrainian land and a dozen villages. The occupiers are making the most of the temporary difficulty with weapons from the Ukrainian Armed Forces, but they are already arriving at the front. Soon Russian soldiers will feel this and will not be happy that they came to visit uninvited. But this Russian offensive has already slowed down. When the Russians captured a significant part of the Kharkov region in 2022, they also said that they had come forever. But then they ran away in such a way that they abandoned a lot of serviceable armored vehicles in order to run away faster than they could go. It will be so this time too.

Ukraine has already stated several times that it will not conduct any negotiations with Putin, because he never respects them. On the other hand, Ukraine does not trade either its lands or its people. It is also possible that this time, having received Donbass and Crimea, Putin would have calmed down, because several times he was on the verge of failure and even crossed himself, which ended relatively well for him. But it’s unlikely that now he’s praying to God and not the devil. At the same time, the Ukrainian people do not want to give up their land to the occupiers and want a lasting and just peace, in which Russia must compensate Ukraine for the damage caused to it. The war will continue until the last occupier, alive or dead, leaves Ukrainian soil.

[bittraffic]

But this is not what led to the events of Maidan in Ukraine, but precisely political motives.

Yanukovych, at Putin’s prompting, sharply abandoned the course of Ukraine’s accession to the European Union, and this was the reason why Ukrainians came to the Maidan of Independence in Kyiv with mass protests. Yanukovych and his entourage could continue to rob the Ukrainian people, as almost all presidents did before him and after him. But it was precisely his refusal to join the European Union that the people did not forgive him, which led to the current dramatic consequences.

No, the cookies was the main reason. Iraq, Libya, Ukraine, Belarus, Venezuela, Russia, Serbia, Moldova, just recently Georgia. These ""mass protests" are carbon copies of each other and are masterminded and sponsored by the CIA. How many lives and countries ruined without a single gunshot, without a single American soldier stepping on their soil... unfortunately, many stupid peeps with room temperature IQ like Argoo still continue to swallow the bait....  

The media is a very powerful weapon to make people believe what is on the other side though. If they say Ukraine is winning, people will actually believe even when they are in the middle of a battle and their forces are already retreating, they still have it in mind that they will win one day. Not thinking that Zelensky is already out of their country.

War always ends in extending borders though and because those breakaway regions seem to prefer to be part of Russia, I guess they are already hard to take back. Unless they wanted to prolong this war forever. The latest news I heard was that Russia is advancing.

The economy of Russia will just improve since they already acquired regions. It was said these are region that produces grains.

[gloffs]

At the same time, the Ukrainian people do not want to give up their land to the occupiers and want a lasting and just peace, in which Russia must compensate Ukraine for the damage caused to it. The war will continue until the last occupier, alive or dead, leaves Ukrainian soil.

I must dissapoint you here, Argoo.
Russia does not want to steal the land of Ukraine or take it by force. What is does want is to denazify and demilitarize the land of Ukraine because puppet masters in the US have been planning to install miliary bases all over Ukraine and encircle Russia with their missiles pointed in the direction of Russia. 

[gloffs]

many stupid peeps with room temperature IQ like Argoo still continue to swallow the bait.... Grin

I don't think Argoo has such a little degree of IQ. He is a smart person. It's just that he is conducting information warfare on the pages of this forum and is trying to convince the forum that Putin is Hilter and Russia is an axis of evil which must be crushed once and for all. He is a masterful manipulator of facts and events. May be he works in CIA.

[Argoo]

At the same time, the Ukrainian people do not want to give up their land to the occupiers and want a lasting and just peace, in which Russia must compensate Ukraine for the damage caused to it. The war will continue until the last occupier, alive or dead, leaves Ukrainian soil.

I must dissapoint you here, Argoo.
Russia does not want to steal the land of Ukraine or take it by force. What is does want is to denazify and demilitarize the land of Ukraine because puppet masters in the US have been planning to install miliary bases all over Ukraine and encircle Russia with their missiles pointed in the direction of Russia. 

Does Russia not want to steal Ukrainian land or seize it by force? Wake up, it's already happened. Putin’s Russia included into the Russian Federation, through changes to its Constitution, not only the Ukrainian Crimean peninsula, but also the Lugansk, Donetsk, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions of Ukraine. That is, even those territories of the Zaporozhye and Kherson regions that were not occupied by Russia. At the same time, it is somehow illogical to claim that Russia does not want the territories of Ukraine, which are already officially included in its composition.

Does Russia only want denazification and demilitarization of the land of Ukraine? First, tell us what this means, because a significant part of Russians cannot even say it, much less understand what they mean. Moreover, how Russia intends to do this.

In Russia they are now doing everything possible so that for at least several generations Ukrainians consider the Russians their worst enemies, trying to destroy Ukraine as a state and Ukrainians as a nation, and to do this they seize the territory of Ukraine using scorched earth tactics, when everything in front of them first turns into complete ruins , after which these territories are occupied. Tell me, where should Ukraine direct its missiles after this, if not at Russia, where will the real threat continue to come from? To the Baltic countries, Poland, Finland, Great Britain and other European countries that are now helping Ukraine repel the Russian military threat?

[Haunebu]

Wars are pretty much inevitable op because of the dark nature of human beings. They have decreased over time though thankfully due to various factors, but they will never completely go away.

No one can give you perfect answers to your questions since wars include plenty of variables outside of our control.

[gloffs]

Does Russia not want to steal Ukrainian land or seize it by force?


No it does not.
If Russia does not do it then NATO missiles would be sitting on this land and these missiles would be pointed in the direction of Russia.
Also it is already known that the US set up a number of bio laboratories in Ukraine and these laboratories have been working on biological weapons which could be used in a war with Russia.  

Wake up, it's already happened. Putin’s Russia included into the Russian Federation, through changes to its Constitution, not only the Ukrainian Crimean peninsula, but also the Lugansk, Donetsk, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions of Ukraine. That is, even those territories of the Zaporozhye and Kherson regions that were not occupied by Russia. At the same time, it is somehow illogical to claim that Russia does not want the territories of Ukraine, which are already officially included in its composition.


However despite this the land of Ukraine would be used for feeding Ukrainian people and not for personal benefit of some corporation like it is done in the West.
Do you know what happens with profts that are derived by Westen corporations that leased Ukrainian land? These profits are used by foreign corporations for their own personal benefit. The people of Ukraine do not derive any income from this.

Does Russia only want denazification and demilitarization of the land of Ukraine?


Yes it does.

First, tell us what this means, because a significant part of Russians cannot even say it, much less understand what they mean. Moreover, how Russia intends to do this.


I think that I understand the meaning of this.
First the territory must be cleansed of Bandera fighters and then it must be guaranteed that no NATO missiles and military bases would be installed there.    

In Russia they are now doing everything possible so that for at least several generations Ukrainians consider the Russians their worst enemies, trying to destroy Ukraine as a state and Ukrainians as a nation, and to do this they seize the territory of Ukraine using scorched earth tactics, when everything in front of them first turns into complete ruins , after which these territories are occupied.


Unfortunately Ukrainian people have been bombarded by anti Russian propaganda for the last 30 years and the spread of this anti Russian propaganda has been paid for by the US. It will take some time before people in Ukraine come to their senses and understand what really happened to them.

There's one more thing.
Usually when a territory is freed by the army of Russia quite many local people have a bad attitude toward Russians. In this case they are just left alone.
But when some territory is recaptured by Ukrainian army then all those people that showed sympathy toward Russia are usually raped, tortured and murdered.
That's the difference between Bandera followers and the Russian army.
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Tell me, where should Ukraine direct its missiles after this, if not at Russia, where will the real threat continue to come from? To the Baltic countries, Poland, Finland, Great Britain and other European countries that are now helping Ukraine repel the Russian military threat?


I believe that Ukraine should be demilitarized and it should not have any missiles on its terrirory.
At the same time please don't forget that in the times of USSR Ukrainians lived side by side with Russians and there were no problems between them.
The problem arose only after CIA started its operations in Ukraine.