Economic Implications of War on Individuals

[gloffs]

By the way Stalin once said about the meaning of American democracy. He said that originally he thought that democracy was the power of people but then Roosevelt explained to him that democracy was the power of American people. 

[serveria.com]

I can even make you happy. On the sixth day of continuous attacks, Russian occupiers in the Kharkov region have already captured 190 square kilometers of Ukrainian land and a dozen villages. The occupiers are making the most of the temporary difficulty with weapons from the Ukrainian Armed Forces, but they are already arriving at the front. Soon Russian soldiers will feel this and will not be happy that they came to visit uninvited. But this Russian offensive has already slowed down. When the Russians captured a significant part of the Kharkov region in 2022, they also said that they had come forever. But then they ran away in such a way that they abandoned a lot of serviceable armored vehicles in order to run away faster than they could go. It will be so this time too.

This time is completely different. Firstly, Ukraine has already lost this war. It's pretty much clear for any sane person. You have no army left as simple as that. Everyone who wanted to fight Russians is already dead or crippled. To turn the tide you need to recruit at least 400-500.000 troops ASAP which would finish off the already badly battered economy of Ukraine. There are reports coming from the frontline that Ukrainian troops are surrendering en masse. Units located to the north of Kharkiv and mostly territorial defence units, poorly trained and equipped, mostly with low morale. The average age of AFU troops has reached 50+ years. Taking into account all of the above, I can claim that even all the weapons in the world won't help AFU.    

Ukraine has already stated several times that it will not conduct any negotiations with Putin, because he never respects them. On the other hand, Ukraine does not trade either its lands or its people. It is also possible that this time, having received Donbass and Crimea, Putin would have calmed down, because several times he was on the verge of failure and even crossed himself, which ended relatively well for him. But it’s unlikely that now he’s praying to God and not the devil. At the same time, the Ukrainian people do not want to give up their land to the occupiers and want a lasting and just peace, in which Russia must compensate Ukraine for the damage caused to it. The war will continue until the last occupier, alive or dead, leaves Ukrainian soil.

Or till the last Ukrainian? I'm just wondering for how long are you going to deny the obvious? Ukraine has no choice, sign a peace treaty now and hope for the best or cease to exist as an independent state.

[Bulltard]

- do you have any survival tips during war period?

hide?  

[Argoo]

Does Russia not want to steal Ukrainian land or seize it by force?


No it does not.
If Russia does not do it then NATO missiles would be sitting on this land and these missiles would be pointed in the direction of Russia.
Also it is already known that the US set up a number of bio laboratories in Ukraine and these laboratories have been working on biological weapons which could be used in a war with Russia.  

Wake up, it's already happened. Putin’s Russia included into the Russian Federation, through changes to its Constitution, not only the Ukrainian Crimean peninsula, but also the Lugansk, Donetsk, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions of Ukraine. That is, even those territories of the Zaporozhye and Kherson regions that were not occupied by Russia. At the same time, it is somehow illogical to claim that Russia does not want the territories of Ukraine, which are already officially included in its composition.


However despite this the land of Ukraine would be used for feeding Ukrainian people and not for personal benefit of some corporation like it is done in the West.
Do you know what happens with profts that are derived by Westen corporations that leased Ukrainian land? These profits are used by foreign corporations for their own personal benefit. The people of Ukraine do not derive any income from this.

I read everything you wrote and I can’t understand whether the majority in Russia holds such views? This is some kind of perversion.
You say that Russia does not want to seize the territory of Ukraine, but at the same time it does this by officially incorporating five regions of Ukraine into the Russian Federation so that there are no NATO missiles left on the territory of Ukraine aimed at Russia, and also so that there are no biological laboratories , the invented substances of which can be used against Russia.

From this we can conclude that Russia wants to capture absolutely the entire territory of Ukraine, and not just those areas that are already included in the Russian Federation but are not yet occupied. After all, in Russia there will be no guarantees that missiles on the remaining territory of Ukraine will not be aimed at Russia.

In addition, now almost every state has its own long-range missiles, a significant part of which was and remains aimed at Russia. We are not even talking about nuclear missiles, because Ukraine, of its own free will, previously transferred its nuclear missiles to Russia. This is especially true for NATO countries. Will Russia attack them too? Just imagine how many different laboratories are located in each state in which drugs are produced that, purely theoretically, can be used against Russia. Does Russia really intend to fight with all of them and seize their territories?

You also indicate that the seized lands will be used to feed the Ukrainian people, and not corporations in the West, which currently do not pay taxes to Ukrainians for renting land in Ukraine.. Again, you are disingenuous. Firstly, if Russia captures Ukraine, or at least part of it, there will no longer be any Ukrainians there. Already now, in the occupied territories of Ukraine, the Russians are carrying out forced passportization. Those who do not want to obtain Russian citizenship will not be provided with any medical, utility or other services, and recently it was even announced that such persons will be subject to eviction deep into Russian territory. This is pure genocide of the Ukrainian people.
Secondly, what does Russia even care about who pays taxes in Ukraine and how? Don't you think that these are purely internal affairs of each sovereign state?

[pooya87]

Your predictions that Ukraine would not receive about $60 billion in military aid from the United States did not come true.

Technically all the money they assign to this so called "military aid" is being injected into the US economy, namely the weapon factories in contracts with the American arms dealers to fill the depleting US stockpiles. That means the aid that reaches Ukraine is not necessarily $60 billion.
Also keep in mind that even before this law was passed, US was sending Ukraine "military aid" and it was already in the billions (something you guys denied and call it a lie when I said it a while back!).

Now Russia is also attacking Ukraine in the Kharkov region near the city of Vovchansk. Whether they want to capture Kharkov, or get within artillery range of it, or whether this is just a diversionary strike to force Ukraine to weaken its defense of the Donetsk direction, time will tell.

This was well expected from the the moment a series of attacks were launched from Ukrainian territory into Belgorod, Russia. The goal is also obvious. It is to create a safe zone into Ukrainian soil so that the attacks on civilians in Belgorod stops.
The rest (like pulling Ukrainian troops from other fronts) are secondary goals.

In addition, now almost every state has its own long-range missiles,

100 to 400 km range is not categorized as long range. It is barely short range.
Even having long range missiles alone does not solve anything. The things you should look at are:
1- What type of missiles (to know their capabilities)
2- How many of them (to know whether they can pass Russia ABMs and actually reach their targets and have an impact).
3- How many launch vehicles (after launch they will be detected and destroyed so they'll have a short life span)

These 3 are the main factors that could determine whether these "missiles" you mention have any effects whatsoever.

[Argoo]

I can even make you happy. On the sixth day of continuous attacks, Russian occupiers in the Kharkov region have already captured 190 square kilometers of Ukrainian land and a dozen villages. The occupiers are making the most of the temporary difficulty with weapons from the Ukrainian Armed Forces, but they are already arriving at the front. Soon Russian soldiers will feel this and will not be happy that they came to visit uninvited. But this Russian offensive has already slowed down. When the Russians captured a significant part of the Kharkov region in 2022, they also said that they had come forever. But then they ran away in such a way that they abandoned a lot of serviceable armored vehicles in order to run away faster than they could go. It will be so this time too.

This time is completely different. Firstly, Ukraine has already lost this war. It's pretty much clear for any sane person. You have no army left as simple as that. Everyone who wanted to fight Russians is already dead or crippled. To turn the tide you need to recruit at least 400-500.000 troops ASAP which would finish off the already badly battered economy of Ukraine. There are reports coming from the frontline that Ukrainian troops are surrendering en masse. Units located to the north of Kharkiv and mostly territorial defence units, poorly trained and equipped, mostly with low morale. The average age of AFU troops has reached 50+ years. Taking into account all of the above, I can claim that even all the weapons in the world won't help AFU.    

Does Ukraine have no army left? Then, probably, the Russian occupiers are now fighting with the ghosts of killed Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers. But this army is much more serious and will not leave any chances for the enemy. In addition, on May 18, a new law on mobilization comes into force in Ukraine and there will be replenishment. If the Russians were unable to significantly change the situation at the front over the last six months of their offensive, when arms assistance to Ukraine was suspended during this period and the Ukrainian Armed Forces could respond to ten shells with only one shell, and in the presence of complete Russian air superiority, now , when weapons have already begun to arrive, the occupiers will very quickly begin to feel it.

Already, Russian losses have increased to one and a half thousand soldiers per day, which is already a record in this war. During the six days of attacks in the Kharkov direction, Russian units suffered losses of up to 70 percent, so the pace of attacks dropped sharply. In about a month, the long-awaited F-16 aircraft should appear in the skies of Ukraine, then there will be at least some parity and this war will become much more interesting.

Well, if you think that Ukraine has already lost this war, name the date when the Russians will win.

[gloffs]

I read everything you wrote and I can’t understand whether the majority in Russia holds such views? This is some kind of perversion.


I don't know this either.

You say that Russia does not want to seize the territory of Ukraine, but at the same time it does this by officially incorporating five regions of Ukraine into the Russian Federation so that there are no NATO missiles left on the territory of Ukraine aimed at Russia, and also so that there are no biological laboratories , the invented substances of which can be used against Russia.

From this we can conclude that Russia wants to capture absolutely the entire territory of Ukraine, and not just those areas that are already included in the Russian Federation but are not yet occupied. After all, in Russia there will be no guarantees that missiles on the remaining territory of Ukraine will not be aimed at Russia.

In addition, now almost every state has its own long-range missiles, a significant part of which was and remains aimed at Russia. We are not even talking about nuclear missiles, because Ukraine, of its own free will, previously transferred its nuclear missiles to Russia. This is especially true for NATO countries. Will Russia attack them too? Just imagine how many different laboratories are located in each state in which drugs are produced that, purely theoretically, can be used against Russia. Does Russia really intend to fight with all of them and seize their territories?


Why on earth would Russia attack other European countries? What you can't still understand is the fact that Ukraine has always been a terrirory of Russia, Russians have been living with Ukrainians side by side for centuries. We have one common language. My father was a Ukrainian and there are millions of former Ukrainians living in Russia.
As soon as USSR disintegrated CIA started it's operations and activities in Ukraine and millions of Ukrainians were duped by anti Russian propaganda with an assistance from treacherous elite in Ukraine.
Russia is taking Ukrainian territories in order to stop the spread of fascism that was created in Ukraine by CIA and US neocons.
If the Ukrainian territory is not taken by Russia then CIA would resume it's acitivities in Ukraine and new generations of Ukrainians would be educated with hate toward Russia.
  

You also indicate that the seized lands will be used to feed the Ukrainian people, and not corporations in the West, which currently do not pay taxes to Ukrainians for renting land in Ukraine.. Again, you are disingenuous. Firstly, if Russia captures Ukraine, or at least part of it, there will no longer be any Ukrainians there.


Why not? Are you serious?

Already now, in the occupied territories of Ukraine, the Russians are carrying out forced passportization. Those who do not want to obtain Russian citizenship will not be provided with any medical, utility or other services, and recently it was even announced that such persons will be subject to eviction deep into Russian territory. This is pure genocide of the Ukrainian people.


I think that this statement of yours is false. I don't believe it.

Secondly, what does Russia even care about who pays taxes in Ukraine and how? Don't you think that these are purely internal affairs of each sovereign state?


It appears that you did not understand what exactly I meant when I made a statement that Ukrainian black soil land was leased by foreign corporations at artificially low price.
I mean that foreign corporations are planning to derive profit from the leased black soil land and they are using these surplus funds not to give benefits to the people of Ukraine but to enrich themselves and obtain very cheap financing for selling the weapons that they send to Ukraine.
It turns out that Ukrainian people are swindled from two sides so to speak by this:
1. By forced mobilzation to the army of Ukraine to supposedly defend their motherland from an enemy (which in fact is not their enemy but their liberator)
2. By the fact that the black soil land is exploited by foreign corporations without any benefits received by the people of Ukraine. .  
 

[gloffs]

In addition, on May 18, a new law on mobilization comes into force in Ukraine and there will be replenishment.


I see. You know, I believe that Zelensky regime could be called an occupation regime because this new law would again force Ukrainians to die in the war whereas in fact they do not want to die.
Since Ukrainians do not want to be enlisted in the army then I believe true democracy in Ukraine can be achieved only if the Zelensky regime does not force them to be enlisted and die in the war.

I have a following suggestion: why not Zelensky and his deputies get enlisted in the army of Ukraine and why don't they fight with Russians themselves? Why are they calling on poor Ukrainians to do it? Because there is no democracy in Ukraine. Ukraine is a police state that forces ordinary peope to die in the war.

Thus the real occupiers of Ukraine are Bandera regime and Mr. Zelensky.

[serveria.com]

Does Ukraine have no army left? Then, probably, the Russian occupiers are now fighting with the ghosts of killed Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers.

You know, you're almost right: not exactly ghosts but very close. Alcoholics, drug addicts, people with health issues, elderly people and so on...

But this army is much more serious and will not leave any chances for the enemy. In addition, on May 18, a new law on mobilization comes into force in Ukraine and there will be replenishment.

There will be very limited effect as most men aged 25-27 have already fled the country. Perhaps you can also remind me why this additional mobilization was necessary? What happened to the existing glorious warriors of light? You have only lost around 30k troops according to your president?  

If the Russians were unable to significantly change the situation at the front over the last six months of their offensive, when arms assistance to Ukraine was suspended during this period and the Ukrainian Armed Forces could respond to ten shells with only one shell, and in the presence of complete Russian air superiority, now , when weapons have already begun to arrive, the occupiers will very quickly begin to feel it.

Actually they did: not so much territory-wise (although the gains are quite significant too) but successfully employing the "meat grinder" tactic (destroying enemy troops, reinforcements, vehicles and other equipment without advancing forward like at Bakhmut, Avdiivka etc... )  

Already, Russian losses have increased to one and a half thousand soldiers per day, which is already a record in this war. During the six days of attacks in the Kharkov direction, Russian units suffered losses of up to 70 percent, so the pace of attacks dropped sharply.

You made a mistake by exaggerating total Russian losses. I was impatiently expecting this moment when the total amount will get so ridiculous and unreal that you will stop mentioning them, mentioning only daily losses.

In about a month, the long-awaited F-16 aircraft should appear in the skies of Ukraine, then there will be at least some parity and this war will become much more interesting.

Muahahaha! Let me remind you:
Bayraktar will let us win the war
Javelin will let us win the war
Himars will let us win the war
Leopard will let us win the war
Abrams will let us win the war
Patriot will let us win the war
ATACMS will let us win the war
Where are all these weapons now?

Well, if you think that Ukraine has already lost this war, name the date when the Russians will win.

The date? Sorry, I can't do that, I can't see the future... but I give 90% that the war will end this year and 10% it will end next year. You can save this post for later reference.

[Argoo]

Why on earth would Russia attack other European countries? What you can't still understand is the fact that Ukraine has always been a terrirory of Russia, Russians have been living with Ukrainians side by side for centuries. We have one common language. My father was a Ukrainian and there are millions of former Ukrainians living in Russia.
As soon as USSR disintegrated CIA started it's operations and activities in Ukraine and millions of Ukrainians were duped by anti Russian propaganda with an assistance from treacherous elite in Ukraine.
Russia is taking Ukrainian territories in order to stop the spread of fascism that was created in Ukraine by CIA and US neocons.
If the Ukrainian territory is not taken by Russia then CIA would resume it's acitivities in Ukraine and new generations of Ukrainians would be educated with hate toward Russia.
  

Russia can come up with any explanations it wants to justify its aggression against Ukraine and such explanations, by the way, are constantly changing. But the fact remains: Ukrainians and Russians lived relatively normally together until Putin’s Russia began first a hybrid and then an open war against the Ukrainians. But even after eight years of hybrid war, Russians in Ukraine were treated quite normally, because they understood that ordinary Russians had succumbed to the massive influence of the Kremlin elite led by Putin. But the situation changed dramatically after the open invasion of the 200,000-strong Russian army in February 2022, when Ukrainians saw the atrocities inflicted on civilians in the occupied territories, which sometimes exceeded the fascists in brutality. Therefore, Russians in Ukraine began to be called racists, and the blame for what they had done gradually shifted entirely to the entire Russian people, who supported 70 percent of the military aggression against Ukraine.

The Russians are now seizing the territory of Ukraine and killing Ukrainians so that they do not fall under the influence of the United States, and do you consider this a good thing for the Ukrainians? No, the occupiers themselves will pour fertilizer into the black soils of Ukraine. And the result of this aggression will be the adoption of English instead of Russian as the second state language in Ukraine. This is so that in the future Russia will no longer have a far-fetched reason for invading Ukraine - the protection of the Russian-speaking population.

And you can already tell fairy tales about a single people to the Kazakhs and Uzbeks, in relation to whom the Kremlin already expresses the opinion that such peoples do not exist and that the Russian-speaking population on their territory needs to be protected. But there, using the example of Ukraine, they long ago understood what Russia is like. These are the descendants of the Mongol-Tatar horde, under whose yoke the territory of present-day Russia was for three centuries. At the same time, the Kremlin also realized that the people rally around the corrupt elite when there is an image of an external enemy from which they need to defend themselves by preemptively attacking it. The period of constant wars is the best period for the Kremlin to keep its own people in obedience.

[gloffs]

Well it appears that I have to continue with straigtening your brains on this issue.
Let's start our lesson:
  
Russia can come up with any explanations it wants to justify its aggression against Ukraine and such explanations, by the way, are constantly changing. But the fact remains: Ukrainians and Russians lived relatively normally together until Putin’s Russia began first a hybrid and then an open war against the Ukrainians. But even after eight years of hybrid war,


No. You made a factual mistake. The relations were good until CIA started anti Russian propaganda in Ukraine blaming Moscow for all troubles of Ukraine. Ukrainian people became crazy when they started openly dancing in the streets and shouting  that those that do not dance with us are our enemies.
I myself heard with my own ears a type of a song or slogan shouted by crazy and duped Ukrainians: Those who  do not jump with us are Muscovites that must be hanged. It started more than 10 years ago, in 2013 long time before the war started.
 
 

Russians in Ukraine were treated quite normally, because they understood that ordinary Russians had succumbed to the massive influence of the Kremlin elite led by Putin. But the situation changed dramatically after the open invasion of the 200,000-strong Russian army in February 2022, when Ukrainians saw the atrocities inflicted on civilians in the occupied territories, which sometimes exceeded the fascists in brutality.


When you use the word "atrocities" you lie. Atrocities such as raping, torturing and murdering are the things regularly done by Ukrainian army and particularly by nazi battalions but not by the Russian forces. It's a lie concocted by CIA.


Therefore, Russians in Ukraine began to be called racists, and the blame for what they had done gradually shifted entirely to the entire Russian people, who supported 70 percent of the military aggression against Ukraine.


This is quite understandable because masses of Ukraininans have succumbed to anti Russian propaganda which is still going on every single day.


The Russians are now seizing the territory of Ukraine and killing Ukrainians so that they do not fall under the influence of the United States, and do you consider this a good thing for the Ukrainians? No, the occupiers themselves will pour fertilizer into the black soils of Ukraine. And the result of this aggression will be the adoption of English instead of Russian as the second state language in Ukraine. This is so that in the future Russia will no longer have a far-fetched reason for invading Ukraine - the protection of the Russian-speaking population.


This is a war. When a war is conducted the enemy combatants are killed if they do not surrender themselves. Are you shocked by that?
Most of Ukrainian people do not want to die for Zelensky regime and the West but Ukraine has been turned into a police state and ordinary Ukrainians are forced by Zelensky regime to go to the meat grinder.
Fortunately when an opportunity  presents itself massive numbers of Ukrainian soldiers willingly surrender to the Russian forces and by the way they receive a good and welcome treatment because we are brothers and sisters.    


And you can already tell fairy tales about a single people to the Kazakhs and Uzbeks, in relation to whom the Kremlin already expresses the opinion that such peoples do not exist and that the Russian-speaking population on their territory needs to be protected. But there, using the example of Ukraine, they long ago understood what Russia is like. These are the descendants of the Mongol-Tatar horde, under whose yoke the territory of present-day Russia was for three centuries. At the same time, the Kremlin also realized that the people rally around the corrupt elite when there is an image of an external enemy from which they need to defend themselves by preemptively attacking it. The period of constant wars is the best period for the Kremlin to keep its own people in obedience.


I see that you have completely lost all your arguments. So this latest paragraph of yours does not have any meaning.
By the way are you aware that this is a fake fairy tale that supposedly there was a Mongol-Tatar horde, under whose yoke the territory of present-day Russia was for three centuries? Russian historians have already found out the truth. This fake fairy tale was invented in the West by Western historians in order to disgrace Russia.

[gloffs]

There is one more thing that I want to make clear to anyone here and particularly to Argoo.

I never voted for Putin and I do not believe that Putin is the best option for Russia.

But at the same time I know and this can be proved by history that the US neocons want to destroy Russia and exploit Russia economically like they exploited Russia 30 years ago in the time of Yeltsin.

Therefore any accusations of Putin by Biden and his company have only one purpose: to destroy Russia, to convert Russia into one of the US sattelites and then start a war between Russia and China whereby the war would be conducted up to the last Russian soldier just like now the US is conducting a proxy war with Russia up to the last Ukrainian.

I don't want to be manipulated by US neocons. Russian people do not want to be manipulated by the US neocons because we know tha fate that awaits us if believe in the US. This is the fate to be murdered in cold blood and to become an eternal slave.

The West has been trying to bring about regime change in Russia and bring  Navalny to power. I have no pity for Navalny because I know that he was just a puppet of the CIA. If Navalny came to power in Russia the fate of Russia would have been very bad indeed.

I am not saying that Putin is the best man in the world to rule Russia but if Putin is dethroned now then Russia would be destroyed by the West and it would again be converted into a colony of the West. Everybody here knows it.

The US has 34 trillions of debt which would never be repaid. The US needs a victim such as Russia in order to solve its economic problems. The days of the US dominance are coming to an end. That's why the US is talking all the time about China and Russia  being enemies of the US although Russia and China are not enemies of regular American people.      
  

[gloffs]

By the way, I have just read a fresh article by David Stockman.
This gentleman worked as an economic advisor in the Reagan administration.

David Stockman on Why Washington DC is the War Capital Of The World

https://internationalman.com/articles/david-stockman-on-why-washington-dc-is-the-war-capital-of-the-world/

Here is a small extract from this excellent article:

Washington has morphed into a freak of world history—a planetary War Capital dominated by a panoptic complex of arms merchants, paladins of foreign intervention and adventure and Warfare State nomenklatura. Never before has there been assembled and concentrated under a single state authority a hegemonic force possessing such unprecedented levels of economic resources, advanced technology and military wherewithal.

Not surprisingly, the world’s War Capital is Orwellian to the core. Its endless pursuit of war is always and everywhere described as the promotion of peace. Its jackboot of global hegemony is gussied-up in the form of alliances and treaties ostensibly designed to promote a “rules-based order” and collective security for the benefit of mankind, not simply the proper goals of peace, liberty, safety and prosperity within America’s homeland.

Unfortunately, the whole intellectual foundation of the enterprise is false. The planet is not crawling with all-powerful would-be aggressors and empire-builders who must be stopped cold at their own borders, lest they devour the freedom of all their neighbors near and far.

Nor is the DNA of nations infected with incipient butchers and tyrants like Hitler and Stalin. They were one-time accidents of history and fully distinguishable from the standard run of everyday tinpots which actually do arise periodically. But the latter mainly disturb the equipoise of their immediate neighborhoods, not the peace of the planet.

So America’s homeland security does not depend upon a far-flung array of alliances, treaties, military bases and foreign influence operations. In today’s world there are no Hitler’s, actual or latent, to stop. The whole framework of Pax Americana and the Washington based promotion and enforcement of a “rules-based” international order is an epochal blunder.


Argoo is reminding us here all the time that Putin is a new Hitler but David Stockman does not subscribe to that point of view and he provides very solid arguments against this point of view.

What would you say in your defence, Argoo? Come on, man, make your voice heard..

Or shouldn't I use the word "man" according to the new US laws? Has this word been prohibited over there? Is it not politically correct? Then, perhaps, Argoo, could you perhaps disclose who you are and what sex are you? Are you not binary? 

[Argoo]

By the way are you aware that this is a fake fairy tale that supposedly there was a Mongol-Tatar horde, under whose yoke the territory of present-day Russia was for three centuries? Russian historians have already found out the truth. This fake fairy tale was invented in the West by Western historians in order to disgrace Russia.

Have Russian historians and propagandists already begun to refute this? Although during the existence of the USSR they also boasted of their power and their great history, they did not dare to refute the existence of three centuries of dependence on the Mongol-Tatars and the constant payment of tribute to them as a conquered state. But in today's Russia they often try to refute the most obvious, and if this does not work, they simply say that it did not happen.

Since you do not provide any evidence for your statement, I tried to find what arguments for the lack of dependence on the Mongol-Tatars are given in Russia itself. Here's what they write in "RG" (Russian newspaper):
“It is widely believed that the Mongol rulers imposed tribute on the entire Russian people in the conquered lands: collectors regularly traveled around the lands, and the princes personally came to the conquerors to, among other things, confirm their consent to pay tribute. However, not everyone paid tribute, and it went not always to the highest Mongol leadership. The clergy, which the Great Khan tried with all his might to subordinate to the interests of strengthening his power, was exempt from tribute. Part of the rest of the tribute went past the Mongol treasury: it was collected by “besermen” - Muslim merchants who bought the right to collect “Horde burdens.” "at the great khan."

That is, it is recognized that there was covetousness, tribute was paid, but not everyone and not always directly into the Mongolian treasury. A strong excuse.
Source:
https://rg.ru/2013/11/11/igo-site.html

But at the end of this article it is indicated that even Peter the Great recognized such dependence before his reign, which was indicated in the Treaty of Constantinople of 1700, namely:
"Standing on the Ugra" marked the overthrow of the yoke, but was it the end of dependence? Just as the Golden Horde was a fragment of the vast Mongol empire, several khanates became fragments of the Golden Horde. For example, one of the heirs of this state was the Crimean Khanate, which for another two centuries remained the subject of headaches for Russian princes. Only under Peter I this was put to an end, when the following lines appeared in the Treaty of Constantinople of 1700: “And since the Moscow State is an autocratic and free State, it is a dacha, which to this day has been given to the Crimean Khans and Crimean Tatars, either in the past or now, henceforth there will be no need to give from His sacred Tsar's Majesty of Moscow."

In today's Russia they can even refute the text of the Treaty of Constantinople of 1700?

[gloffs]

You know what my reply would be on this matter?

The history of Russia was invented by a number of German scholars who came to Russia in the 18th century and they were instructed by the tzar to re-write the history of Russia.

It turns out that these German scholars were enemies of Russia and their main task was to prove that Russia did not have any great history and that any Russian had nothing to be proud of historywise. This was a sort of an informarion war that was started in the 18th century by the German scholars.  

Unfortunately many historians in the USSR also came under influence of the works of these faked German historians.

By the way do you know that one of the tzars of Russia issued an edict whereby all monasteries in Russia were ordered to bring all their old manuscripts to the Tzar headquarters where all of them were burned?

It proves that the Tsars of Russia did not want the people of Russia to learn about the true history of Russia, then scholars  from Germany were invited to rewrite the history of Russia and these bastards invented a myth according to which there was a Tatar-Mongol yoke which supposedly ruled Russia.

By the way the name Tatar proves that this was a fake myth invented by German bastards.

The thing is that Tatar is one of the many nationalities of Russia. How could it be that Tatar Mongol army oppressed Russia when we know that Tatars are one of the nationalities of Russia?

The real truth is that long time ago there was a country called the Great Tartaria and this huge country ruled all the Western Europe. This is the real truth.

These scholars from Germany did not want the people of Russia to remember their real history. That's why they invented this myth about Tatar Mongol yoke.    

[Argoo]

But at the same time I know and this can be proved by history that the US neocons want to destroy Russia and exploit Russia economically like they exploited Russia 30 years ago in the time of Yeltsin.

Therefore any accusations of Putin by Biden and his company have only one purpose: to destroy Russia, to convert Russia into one of the US sattelites and then start a war between Russia and China whereby the war would be conducted up to the last Russian soldier just like now the US is conducting a proxy war with Russia up to the last Ukrainian.
  

Tell us more specifically how the United States wants to destroy Russia, as well as subjugate it economically? This is complete nonsense of the Kremlin propagandists, who constantly create the image of an external enemy in order to mobilize the population of their country to fight this external enemy and, thus, divert their attention from the ever-increasing internal problems. But using this pretext, Russia attacked Georgia in 2008 and, as a result, now controls its region - South Ossetia, where it creates its military bases and builds seaports for military needs. Also, until now, after the collapse of the USSR, Russia refuses to withdraw its troops from Moldova and created the Transnistrian Moldavian Republic under its control, which also creates military tension in this region.

Well, the desire to seize Ukraine by military means for ten years now is generally the limit of arrogance and impunity of today’s Russia. And after this, is it any wonder why the United States and Europe have such a negative attitude towards Russia? Behave in a civilized manner, do not attack your neighbors, and not only your neighbors, and you will have a normal attitude towards Russia. However, it seems that Putin is leading Russia to an inevitable disaster, since he cannot stop in his aggression and there is no longer an acceptable way out of this situation created by Russia itself.

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Tell us more specifically how the United States wants to destroy Russia, as well as subjugate it economically? This is complete nonsense of the Kremlin propagandists, who constantly create the image of an external enemy in order to mobilize the population of their country to fight this external enemy and, thus, divert their attention from the ever-increasing internal problems.


The best example in reply to your question would be Russia in the 90-ies under alcoholic president Yeltsin.
At that time the US and European companies exploited Russia by buying there raw materials at very cheap prices and then selling consumer goods to Russia with high added value.
One does not have to be an economist to understand that a country that only sells raw materials is an economic colony exploited by Western countries.
 

But using this pretext, Russia attacked Georgia in 2008 and, as a result, now controls its region - South Ossetia, where it creates its military bases and builds seaports for military needs. Also, until now, after the collapse of the USSR, Russia refuses to withdraw its troops from Moldova and created the Transnistrian Moldavian Republic under its control, which also creates military tension in this region.


Moldova and Georgia as well as South Ossetia are all territories of the former USSR.
The US has no right to accuse Russia because NATO broke its promise that was given to former USSR president Michail Gorbachov that NATO would not move to the east any single inch.
As you know since that time NATO was joined by almost all East European countries.
Therefore the NATO broke its promise. Why should Russia withdraw military bases from South Ossetia when the NATO is rapidly expanding its worldwide network of military bases?
 
 
Well, the desire to seize Ukraine by military means for ten years now is generally the limit of arrogance and impunity of today’s Russia. And after this, is it any wonder why the United States and Europe have such a negative attitude towards Russia? Behave in a civilized manner, do not attack your neighbors, and not only your neighbors, and you will have a normal attitude towards Russia. However, it seems that Putin is leading Russia to an inevitable disaster, since he cannot stop in his aggression and there is no longer an acceptable way out of this situation created by Russia itself.


Well the desire of NATO to install military bases in Ukraine as well as in the East Asia is generally the limit of arrogance and impunity of today's NATO. And after the coup in Kiev orchestrated by CIA in 2014 is it any wonder why Russia has such a negative attitude towards NATO?

Behave in a civilized manner, do not move NATO military bases to the Eastern Europe according to the promise that was given to the USSR in 1990 by the Reagan administration and you will have a normal attitude towards Ukraine and the West. However, it seems that US neocons in the Biden administration are leading the US and NATO to an inevitable disaster, since NATO cannot stop in its aggression to the east and there is no longer an acceptable way out of this situation created by CIA and US neocons themselves.

[Baki202]

Wars are pretty much inevitable op because of the dark nature of human beings. They have decreased over time though thankfully due to various factors, but they will never completely go away.

we know that war can not be avoided, and the implication it comes with comes with a bigger price than anyone expects, During the war, putting a stop to it is always difficult, and it is not as if they don't know the dangers that it comes with but they will still insist on embarking on it. they do not even consider what their citizens will go through during the war the lives that will be lost, the properties that will be destroyed but they still do not care. and I think before the war, factors, and consequences should be looked into before embarking and then innocent people will be suffering for what they do not have a hand in but due to the government's selfishness, they don't care.

No one can give you perfect answers to your questions since wars include plenty of variables outside of our control.

we might not really have control of these circumstances, but they can be avoided and if you should look at the money spent on wars, it is enough to make the country a better place but it looks like the government has its own agenda. and the way the government is running things, I am sure that the people are going to wage war against the government very soon, people are getting tired of them making very wrong decisions for the people and it is already happening to start with protests and people will continue to get tired because of there injustice and they will fight back, and that is the way countries can be fixed because people will eventually get tired.

[Argoo]

Putin begins hybrid aggression against NATO. A document prepared by the Ministry of Defense appeared on the website of the Russian government, according to which Russia intends to declare part of the water area in the east of the Gulf of Finland, as well as near the cities of Baltiysk and Zelenogradsk in the Kaliningrad region, as its internal sea waters. The 40-year-old resolution of the USSR Council of Ministers regulating the borders in the Baltic Sea is proposed by the Ministry of Defense to be partially “recognized as invalid.”

To do this, it is planned to change the geographic coordinates of the points that determine the position of the baselines from which the width of the territorial sea of the Russian Federation, as well as the adjacent zone off the coast and islands, is measured.   Thus, Putin is again beginning to raise the stakes in the confrontation with the West. Previously, this position of intimidation was successful, but now the situation has changed due to the protracted war with Ukraine and, in fact, defeat on the Ukrainian front. Russia has always acted with impudence and intimidation, but now this could well lead to a full-scale war with NATO, for which Russia is clearly not ready.
https://abn.org.ua/ru/novosti/putin-nachinaet-gibridnuyu-agressiyu-protiv-nato-chto-na-eto-otvetit-severoatlanticheskij-soyuz/

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Indeed we live in interesting times. Don't you think so, Argoo?