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June 01, 2024, 10:57:52 AM
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These are just a few reasons why you should still be aware of news whether you’re in the country or not directly involved in a war.
Even if I am not affected a lot by these wars physically but they're draining us through economic effects. It's a domino effect that everyone of us feels it.

Not to even mention just having basic empathy to people suffering.
Exactly, our thoughts and prayers to the badly affected by these wars. The economic impact is certainly there and we can't do anything with that because it is the world leaders decision to do it even if we're totally innocent with such.
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June 01, 2024, 01:19:29 PM
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Ukraine does not simply shoot at Russian populated areas, as Russia itself does every day. I gave the example of the Epicenter hypermarket, when two high-precision aerial bombs hit this hypermarket one after another precisely to show that Russia deliberately hits civilian targets, and where the greatest number of them can be harmed. This is state terrorism.

Now try to bring something similar with Belgorod, since you write that Ukraine is attacking Belgorod. In Belgorod, fragments of missiles or drones usually fall, which do not cause such significant damage. And the debris is falling mainly due to the work of Russian air defense over Belgorod. Behind Belgorod there is a military airfield and other military facilities, which are a legal place for Ukraine. To get there, missiles and drones need to fly over Belgorod and some of them are shot down by Russian air defense over the city, causing debris to fall.
On the other hand, the Kremlin may deliberately order the shelling of Belgorod so that the Russians will be motivated to go fight in Ukraine. It was thanks to such incidents, for example, in Volgodonsk, that Putin was able to come to power.
But in my personal opinion, Ukraine should strike at Russian territory, at least so that those 70 percent of the Russian population, who have been supporting military operations in Ukraine for three years, understand that this is a war that can affect them too, and come to their territory .

Russia is definitely NOT targeting civilian targets on purpose. You can just take a look at the stats to make sure. After just two weeks of the occupation of Gaza, Israeli war criminals have killed more civilians than Russia since 2022.

I'm reading reports from both Ukrainian and Russian sources and both sides are accusing each other of deliberate attacks on civilian infrastructure. It's not hard to figure out that both sides of this conflict are lying. In fact, both Russian and Ukrainian forces also occasionally hit civilian targets, that's not terrorism, that's war and understandable to an extent.

But for trolls like yourself, everything is either good or bad, black or white, so you're claiming that Russia is targeting almost solely and exclusively civilian targets and Ukraine is 100% of the time hitting only military targets. You should try using the remains of your propaganda-eaten brain to undertand this.  Grin

But in my personal opinion, Ukraine should strike at Russian territory, at least so that those 70 percent of the Russian population, who have been supporting military operations in Ukraine for three years, understand that this is a war that can affect them too, and come to their territory .

Such a bright idea! And the people who had no anger and negative feelings towards Ukraine, will get mad, some of them will join the army, some will just start hating Ukrainian and vote for Putin. That's what I call short-sighted decisions, like sanctions against Russia, which cause more bad than good.

Meanwhile, AFU at Vovchansk and Chasiv Yar are almost completely encircled and these two towns will become a part of Russia with no chance for Ukraine to get back ever. It's a fact and it's a matter of days. Moreover, Russia has started another offensive West of Rabotyne in the South. The end is nigh. 
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June 01, 2024, 05:27:08 PM
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On the 25th minute of this video legendary speculator Doug Casey very candidly talks about the Ukrainian conflict
https://www.crisisinvesting.com/p/can-you-see-it-the-end-of-america?utm_source=podcast-email&publication_id=87095&post_id=145175537&utm_campaign=email-play-on-substack&r=12l1o8&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email
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But in my personal opinion, Ukraine should strike at Russian territory, at least so that those 70 percent of the Russian population, who have been supporting military operations in Ukraine for three years, understand that this is a war that can affect them too, and come to their territory .

Such a bright idea! And the people who had no anger and negative feelings towards Ukraine, will get mad, some of them will join the army, some will just start hating Ukrainian and vote for Putin. That's what I call short-sighted decisions, like sanctions against Russia, which cause more bad than good.

Meanwhile, AFU at Vovchansk and Chasiv Yar are almost completely encircled and these two towns will become a part of Russia with no chance for Ukraine to get back ever. It's a fact and it's a matter of days. Moreover, Russia has started another offensive West of Rabotyne in the South. The end is nigh. 
The Russians need to be shown that this is not a “special military operation” somewhere far from their home, in another country, as the government is trying to convince them. They need to show that this is a cruel and bloody war that they themselves imposed on Ukraine, and the war involves mutual losses and retaliatory actions of the country that was subjected to aggression.

Do you think that attacks on Russian territory will cause a wave of patriotism among the Russian population and they will rush to the military registration and enlistment offices to go to war in Ukraine as volunteers? We do not see such patriotism in Belgorod and other border regions of Russia, which have already experienced some of the inevitable consequences of this war. On the contrary, they actively began to curse Putin because peaceful life in this region had ended and many of them were forced to evacuate to safe places.

Now the Russian army has been trying to seize plaidarms in the area of Volchansk and Lipetsk in the border areas of the Kharkov region for almost a month. All that she has achieved so far is the lifting of the ban on the use of their weapons throughout Russia by 15 states that supply weapons to Ukraine. Therefore, Russia will soon go up in flames not only from Ukrainian drones, which, although they cause significant damage to military and logistics facilities, cannot carry as much explosives as high-precision missiles will do. The war is entering its next deadly stage, and the Russians clearly will not like it.
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June 04, 2024, 05:53:19 AM
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The Russians need to be shown that this is not a “special military operation” somewhere far from their home, in another country, as the government is trying to convince them. They need to show that this is a cruel and bloody war that they themselves imposed on Ukraine, and the war involves mutual losses and retaliatory actions of the country that was subjected to aggression.


Here I concur with you. I think this is a good idea worth implementing. People need to understand the real meaning of a war. The war will bring the truth to the people and they will not be able to live in a fantasy land that has no war.
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June 04, 2024, 06:03:26 AM
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These are just a few reasons why you should still be aware of news whether you’re in the country or not directly involved in a war.
Even if I am not affected a lot by these wars physically but they're draining us through economic effects. It's a domino effect that everyone of us feels it.

Especially in countries where there is conflict, and those that are not directly affected, the effects are felt. Let's say if we invest, one of our sales targets is in that country, it might be a bit hampered because there will be a lot of processes that have to be gone through.

For crypto investment, I don't think it has a significant impact, it's just that large investors have high multiplication.

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June 04, 2024, 09:05:41 AM
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I hate wars. I hate conflicts. Both they are almost unavailable. Wars and conflicts disrupts lives. It kills people - men, women, babies. Businesses are shot down. Schools are shot down. Boys become father's and look after their moms and siblings because their father has gone to war. Daughters become mothers and have to care for their siblings because they lose their mothers to war. Children with perfectly normal lives become refugees

Wars and conflicts doesn't give you the time to plan. It happens fast and it happens suddenly. It comes with a huge economic cost. And for us in the cryptocurrency, we are not exempted too. If you are a miner, your mining operation is affected because if you are caught up in the conflict, you have to abandon it and flee so that you do not get killed.

I am deeply saddened by these wars. I am not taking sides because there are human causalities in both sides.


in a war situation what you need to do is look for a place to hide and where is the safest place to survive even though it is difficult that is the main thing on my mind, food is the most important thing but in the context of life I think war is pointless because it will be a big disaster that it will cause from the many difficult times for stability and damage to a country's economy due to war, it is difficult to recover even though it has ended,
A painful part about all of these war's going on is that dozens of lives are constantly lost for a war they know nothing about as to the actual reason for it or what their country could really be fighting for. Is it for individual (leader's) interest or the nation's.

For the tips on places to hide that seem safe during warring period is small towns or villages, those very far away from the war dominated zones. At least live there will be considered better and finding food in those areas wouldn't be that much difficult compared to the war close areas. 
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With several countries at war right now, hopefully that will end quickly, that's his hope.
Interests keeps piling up from different quarters with no sides willing to swallow their pride, I lack confidence in the hopefulness of these war's ending anytime soon. There are a class that does benefits from any period of war's and this set of class of men wouldn't want the war to end as they will in one way or another continue to fan embers of war instead of peace to reign.



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June 05, 2024, 05:02:09 AM
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All that she has achieved so far is the lifting of the ban on the use of their weapons throughout Russia by 15 states that supply weapons to Ukraine. ~ high-precision missiles will do.
I hope you realize that you are talking about WW3 which is a nuclear war between NATO and Russia.

What you are saying here is actually NATO directly attacking Russian soil because for example these missiles you mentioned work 100% with Western guidance and with NATO troops. The satellite connection, the encryption and the guidance is highly classified and is not handed over to anybody, least of all Ukrainians. Which means it is an American, French, etc. military personnel attacking Russian soil and only a Ukrainian soldier presses the launch button at best.

In other words what you naively refer to as "lifting of the ban" is actually the war between NATO and Russia transitioning from a proxy war (Ukraine being the proxy) to a direct conflict without the proxy.

How much this is going to escalate is unpredictable right now...

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June 05, 2024, 06:28:48 AM
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Here is an interesting article:

The West Has Placed the Survival of the World in the Hands of Three Artificial States, by Paul Craig Roberts - The Unz Review
https://www.unz.com/proberts/the-west-has-placed-the-survival-of-the-world-in-the-hands-of-three-artificial-states/

An extract from the article:

Ukraine was part of Russia for longer than the United States has existed. It was first created as an independent country in the early 1990s by Washington following the Soviet government’s collapse and replacement of the Communist Party rule’s with Yeltsin’s, a puppet of Washington. Ukraine is thus an artificial country merely 30 years old, having never previously existed as an independent country.

Therefore following the meaning of this it does not matter who actually started shooting at whom in the 2 breakaway provinces of Ukraine or whether or not Russian speaking people in Ukraine are being oppressed by the Kiev regime or not. All these events pale in comparison to the fact that Ukraine has always been a Russian terrirory but when the USSR disintegrated the US took advantage of the situation and started moving NATO to the east and now Ukraine was on the brink of becoming a NATO country.

This can not be tolerated by Russia.

That's why Putin started the special mlitary operation.

In 1990 when Gorbachov was negotiating with US on the terms of disarmament the US politicians promised to the Soviet delegation that NATO would not move to the east any single inch. This promise, although it was not put on paper at that time, was broken and NATO moved to the east a lot despite the fact that Russia broke away with communism for good.

Now Putin is correcting those mistakes made by Gorbachov 34 years ago.
  
  
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Therefore following the meaning of this it does not matter who actually started shooting at whom in the 2 breakaway provinces of Ukraine or whether or not Russian speaking people in Ukraine are being oppressed by the Kiev regime or not. All these events pale in comparison to the fact that Ukraine has always been a Russian terrirory but when the USSR disintegrated the US took advantage of the situation and started moving NATO to the east and now Ukraine was on the brink of becoming a NATO country.
  
In fact, I already wrote earlier that Ukraine as a state existed much earlier than Russia. True, both Ukraine and Russia had different names at different times.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5470489.msg63899296#msg63899296

Here I would like to draw your attention to the fact that until 1991, when the Ukrainian Republic was proclaimed as an independent sovereign state, Ukraine was not part of Russia. Let me remind you that in December 1922 the USSR was created on the basis of the entry into it of a number of equal republics, including the Ukrainian SSR and the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (RSFSR). This was a voluntary unification of equal republics with the right to voluntarily secede from the USSR. In 1991, Ukraine took advantage of this right. Therefore, it is incorrect to say that Ukraine during the USSR period was part of Russia.
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In fact, I already wrote earlier that Ukraine as a state existed much earlier than Russia. True, both Ukraine and Russia had different names at different times.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5470489.msg63899296#msg63899296

Ukraine as a state existed much earlier than Russia? This is absurd. You are living in some kind of a dream land.
The territory of Ukraine has been the land of Russian people for at  least a few centuries and this has been basically one country populated by the same people during at least a few centuries and this has been going on for more time than the US existed for example.

On the other hand I wouldn't disagree with you on what happened some 10 centuries ago. Why not?

But if you are so willing to go back in time by so many centuries then you would agree with me that roughly 4 centuries ago there was no such country as USA. At that time the territory of the Northern America belonged to Indians and there were no such countries as Canada, USA, Mexico and this list could go on.

Then if we follow your logic then we can come to the conclusion that the US must cease to exist and hand over all power to the Indian population. That would be a fair solution.

So, OK. I agree with your opinon that Ukraine should be a separate country but only in exchange for such countries as Canada, US, Mexico ceasing to exist and handing their territories back to the Indians.

How about that? Why not put forward this kind of a resolution for a vote in the UN? The world needs justice and peace.

   
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Here I would like to draw your attention to the fact that until 1991, when the Ukrainian Republic was proclaimed as an independent sovereign state, Ukraine was not part of Russia. Let me remind you that in December 1922 the USSR was created on the basis of the entry into it of a number of equal republics, including the Ukrainian SSR and the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (RSFSR). This was a voluntary unification of equal republics with the right to voluntarily secede from the USSR. In 1991, Ukraine took advantage of this right. Therefore, it is incorrect to say that Ukraine during the USSR period was part of Russia.

And I would like to draw your attention to the fact that you completely misunderstand the internal structure of the USSR. How and on what basis can you state that Ukraine had a right to voluntarily seceed from the USSR? This is an erroneous opinion.You never lived in the USSR and you don't know what you are talking about.

it is me who was born in the USSR in 1964. I lived quite a large part of my life in the USSR and I know much better than you what the life was like there at that time.

So please don't tell me stories. Ukraine has been populated with very large quantities of Russian people. Ukrainians and Russian people are the same kind of people. My father was a Ukrainian. So I know what I am talking about and you have no right to lecture me on the history of the USSR and Ukraine..
 
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Basically Putin made a decision to invade Ukraine because Ukraine was turned by CIA into a kind of a spoiled child who must be punished by his parents because Ukraine was on the brink of joinng NATO and installing military bases of NATO with missiles pointed in the direction of Russia.

Besides the US has already put a number of biological laboratories on the territory of Ukraine that were opened with a sole purpose of developing bilogical weapons that could quickly kill Russians.

What do you think would the US do if an atomic bomb were being developed in Mexico and biological laboratories were located there to destroy Americans with infectiou diseases, and Russia started pumping Mexico with missiles, guns and tanks?
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In fact, I already wrote earlier that Ukraine as a state existed much earlier than Russia. True, both Ukraine and Russia had different names at different times.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5470489.msg63899296#msg63899296


In your detailed reply regarding the history of Russia you base your arguments on the work by someone called Oleg Panfilov who allegedly is telling the truth about the history of Russia and Ukraine.
That article that you refer to is a complete lie. It's disinformation war in action. The information in that article is untrue. The author of that article was bought off by CIA.

Here you can find truthful history of Russia and Ukraine in Russian: https://weekend.rambler.ru/read/48392235-kratkaya-istoriya-ukrainy-kak-obrazovalos-gosudarstvo/



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Here I would like to draw your attention to the fact that until 1991, when the Ukrainian Republic was proclaimed as an independent sovereign state, Ukraine was not part of Russia. Let me remind you that in December 1922 the USSR was created on the basis of the entry into it of a number of equal republics, including the Ukrainian SSR and the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (RSFSR). This was a voluntary unification of equal republics with the right to voluntarily secede from the USSR. In 1991, Ukraine took advantage of this right. Therefore, it is incorrect to say that Ukraine during the USSR period was part of Russia.

And I would like to draw your attention to the fact that you completely misunderstand the internal structure of the USSR. How and on what basis can you state that Ukraine had a right to voluntarily seceed from the USSR? This is an erroneous opinion.You never lived in the USSR and you don't know what you are talking about.

it is me who was born in the USSR in 1964. I lived quite a large part of my life in the USSR and I know much better than you what the life was like there at that time.

So please don't tell me stories. Ukraine has been populated with very large quantities of Russian people. Ukrainians and Russian people are the same kind of people. My father was a Ukrainian. So I know what I am talking about and you have no right to lecture me on the history of the USSR and Ukraine..
 
I have to constantly prove that what you write, to put it mildly, is not true.

The right of free secession of each republic from the USSR was enshrined in Article 72 of the 1977 USSR Constitution, which was in force during the period of Ukraine’s secession from the USSR in 1991. This article had only one sentence, namely: “Each union republic retains the right to freely secede from the USSR.”

The specific procedure for the republic’s secession from the USSR was regulated by a separate USSR law dated April 3, 1990 No. 1409-I “On the procedure for resolving issues related to the secession of a union republic from the USSR.” Article 6 of this law states that “the decision to secede of a union republic from the USSR is considered adopted through a referendum if at least two-thirds of the citizens of the USSR who were permanently residing on the territory of the republic at the time the question of its secession from the USSR was raised…”
https://ru.m.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD_%D0%A1%D0%A1%D0%A1%D0%A0_ %D0%BE%D1%82_04/03/1990_%E2%84%96_1409-I

You are also mistaken that I did not live under the USSR. I even served in military service on the territory of the current Russian Federation and was demobilized a little earlier than you were supposed to be drafted. Therefore, I lived in the USSR for about 30 years and know its “internal structure” well, because I am a lawyer by training and I received this education while still in the USSR.
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June 06, 2024, 05:24:46 PM
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I have to constantly prove that what you write, to put it mildly, is not true.

The right of free secession of each republic from the USSR was enshrined in Article 72 of the 1977 USSR Constitution, which was in force during the period of Ukraine’s secession from the USSR in 1991. This article had only one sentence, namely: “Each union republic retains the right to freely secede from the USSR.”


If what you write is true then please tell why didn't Ukraine want to suceed from the USSR?Why didn't they do it in the times of the USSR?

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June 06, 2024, 05:29:58 PM
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You are also mistaken that I did not live under the USSR. I even served in military service on the territory of the current Russian Federation and was demobilized a little earlier than you were supposed to be drafted. Therefore, I lived in the USSR for about 30 years and know its “internal structure” well, because I am a lawyer by training and I received this education while still in the USSR.

Well, indeed you are full of surprises.If you were born in the USSR then you should know and understand that Russia and Ukkraine is one and the same people and it is very frivolous of you to say that Ukraine is a nation that is different from Russia.
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I hate wars. I hate conflicts. Both they are almost unavailable. Wars and conflicts disrupts lives. It kills people - men, women, babies. Businesses are shot down. Schools are shot down. Boys become father's and look after their moms and siblings because their father has gone to war. Daughters become mothers and have to care for their siblings because they lose their mothers to war. Children with perfectly normal lives become refugees

Wars and conflicts doesn't give you the time to plan. It happens fast and it happens suddenly. It comes with a huge economic cost. And for us in the cryptocurrency, we are not exempted too. If you are a miner, your mining operation is affected because if you are caught up in the conflict, you have to abandon it and flee so that you do not get killed.

I am deeply saddened by these wars. I am not taking sides because there are human causalities in both sides.

- do you have any survival tips during war period?
- are there any business that I can do during a period of war so as to sustain my family? Can I still budget, save and earn in Bitcoin?
- What is the economic impacts on individuals with families and how do I sustain them during war period.

One should have multiple sources of income to remain safe in war. It will ensure economic stability.
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June 07, 2024, 04:45:09 AM
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I have to constantly prove that what you write, to put it mildly, is not true.

The right of free secession of each republic from the USSR was enshrined in Article 72 of the 1977 USSR Constitution, which was in force during the period of Ukraine’s secession from the USSR in 1991. This article had only one sentence, namely: “Each union republic retains the right to freely secede from the USSR.”


If what you write is true then please tell why didn't Ukraine want to suceed from the USSR?Why didn't they do it in the times of the USSR?


What I wrote about the right of each of the USSR republics to voluntarily secede from the USSR is freely available and you can easily check it.
Russia has always been a prison of nations, no matter what signs about voluntary unions it hides behind.

So, on November 20, 1917, the Central Rada of Ukraine adopted the Third Universal, which proclaimed the creation of the Ukrainian People's Republic. It ceased to exist in 1920 as a result of the invasion of the Red Army, which eliminated its independence.
The Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was formed in 1919 as a result of the armed aggression of Bolshevik Russia and was subject to Russian influence until the complete Sovietization of Ukraine.

Therefore, in practice, secession from the USSR was impossible under the strong central government of the Kremlin. It was only in 1991, when this central power in Moscow was weakened by internal events, that Ukraine, like other former Soviet republics, took advantage of this opportunity.

The Russian Federation will also become very weak as a result of the current war with Ukraine, and other nations and nationalities that are still held by force within the Russian Federation will certainly take advantage of this.
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What I wrote about the right of each of the USSR republics to voluntarily secede from the USSR is freely available and you can easily check it.
Russia has always been a prison of nations, no matter what signs about voluntary unions it hides behind.

So, on November 20, 1917, the Central Rada of Ukraine adopted the Third Universal, which proclaimed the creation of the Ukrainian People's Republic. It ceased to exist in 1920 as a result of the invasion of the Red Army, which eliminated its independence.
The Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was formed in 1919 as a result of the armed aggression of Bolshevik Russia and was subject to Russian influence until the complete Sovietization of Ukraine.

Therefore, in practice, secession from the USSR was impossible under the strong central government of the Kremlin. It was only in 1991, when this central power in Moscow was weakened by internal events, that Ukraine, like other former Soviet republics, took advantage of this opportunity.

The Russian Federation will also become very weak as a result of the current war with Ukraine, and other nations and nationalities that are still held by force within the Russian Federation will certainly take advantage of this.

Your point of view is the same point of view that is propagated by Washington. You are Washington's mouthpiece so to say.

By the way are you aware of the fact that bolshevism was imported into Russia from the USA? Do you know that all Russian revolutionaries in the beginning of the 20th century were financed by US and German banks and more than 90% of them were Jews who came to Russia many of them hardly knowing any Russian?
Do you know that Lenin was financed by US and German oligarchs of that time?
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