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October 27, 2023, 04:06:29 PM
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Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

I tried to find wallets which may allow multi language seed phrases but not found one, everything was for wallet software translated into different languages.

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So my question is can we generate seed phrases in a different languages with wallet software? Is there any wallet with this feature?
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October 27, 2023, 04:14:20 PM
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Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

So this basically mean you will enter your seed phrase into the translator which will definitely make it go online, so it is bad idea to begin with. Also trying too many ways to safeguard your seed phrase like using colors or just this translation will cause more problem than solve. During translation from different languages there some words that mean two or more meanings which when you try bringing them back to the original word will cause a change.
Stick to the words of BIP 39 and use passphrase to safeguard it more, if the seed gets exposed your passphrase acts as a second layer

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October 27, 2023, 04:15:27 PM
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You are not keeping anything more secure.

You can make use of passphrase and backup your seed phrase and passphrase differently in different locations. With passphrase, your seed phrase will generate different keys and addresses. If you lose your passphrase, you will lose your coins just like if the seed phrase is lost.

So my question is can we generate seed phrases in a different languages with wallet software? Is there any wallet with this feature?
Seed phrase can be in other languages:
https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0039/bip-0039-wordlists.md

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October 27, 2023, 04:18:25 PM
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Idea:
Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

So this basically mean you will enter your seed phrase into the translator which will definitely make it go online, so it is bad idea to begin with.

Google is not going to track me for my 0.002BTC. and it's not simple, a seed have 12 words I will translate 4 words in 3 different languages in different papers and keep them in different locations. Maybe 2 papers is good choice.
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October 27, 2023, 04:22:58 PM
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Idea:
Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

So this basically mean you will enter your seed phrase into the translator which will definitely make it go online, so it is bad idea to begin with.

Google is not going to track me for my 0.002BTC. and it's not simple, a seed have 12 words I will translate 4 words in 3 different languages in different papers and keep them in different locations. Maybe 3 papers is good choice.

As long as there’s chance it gets online don’t be too sure about it not getting hacked, you might think the amount is small but the hacker doesn’t think so, imagine an hacker having more of the wallets having similar amount of bitcoin like yours is that still small in your perspective. Never underestimate any form of security breach

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October 27, 2023, 04:26:00 PM
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Idea:
Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

So this basically mean you will enter your seed phrase into the translator which will definitely make it go online, so it is bad idea to begin with.

Google is not going to track me for my 0.002BTC. and it's not simple, a seed have 12 words I will translate 4 words in 3 different languages in different papers and keep them in different locations. Maybe 3 papers is good choice.

Google tracks everything. Besides that you will have to remember where those papers are and in which order those papers should be in order to recover the correct seed phrase.
If we go by your method then it is even more better if we just encrypt the words using other algorithm and then keep those encrypted words at different places.

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October 27, 2023, 04:32:21 PM
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Google is not going to track me for my 0.002BTC. and it's not simple, a seed have 12 words I will translate 4 words in 3 different languages in different papers and keep them in different locations. Maybe 2 papers is good choice.
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October 27, 2023, 04:36:43 PM
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Google is not going to track me for my 0.002BTC. and it's not simple, a seed have 12 words I will translate 4 words in 3 different languages in different papers and keep them in different locations. Maybe 2 papers is good choice.

The link above is not about translating the seed phrase but it is about if you want your seed phrase to be in other languages according to BIP39.

I will advice you not to translate anything. The reason is because the word you are translating have synonyms and very possible there could be a mistake in the future in a way you may not be able to translate the language back to the original 12 to 24 words.

And that is true, translator works online which is another reason it should not be used.

If we go by your method then it is even more better if we just encrypt the words using other algorithm and then keep those encrypted words at different places.
Encrypting the seed phrase is another good advice.

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October 27, 2023, 04:39:46 PM
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Google is not going to track me for my 0.002BTC. and it's not simple, a seed have 12 words I will translate 4 words in 3 different languages in different papers and keep them in different locations. Maybe 2 papers is good choice.

Google is not just tracking you because of your small funds, just knowing that you have Bitcoin is profitable information that can be shared or sold. These words can still be translated by anybody that has access to them. This process can be complicated and lead to loss of funds because the meaning of words changes over time. It could also pose a problem to your dependence in cases of death or sickness. Your funds might be lost forever if your dependence doesn't understand your security measures. The best options remain backing up your seed phrase in different locations and ensuring that no unauthorized person has access to it.

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October 27, 2023, 04:40:01 PM
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Google is not going to track me for my 0.002BTC. and it's not simple, a seed have 12 words I will translate 4 words in 3 different languages in different papers and keep them in different locations. Maybe 2 papers is good choice.
You must be new to the internet.

I am not that new to the Internet, just I don't able to explain because of my bad English.
A seed phrase has 12 words, first I written that 12words in englsih on a paper, then one by one types them in the translator(i dont need to use translator because i know 4-5
indian langauges) by changing languages one by one.

Also I didn't think about security breach though,  I just shared my idea but learned other ways to secure seed phrase.
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October 27, 2023, 04:46:34 PM
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A seed phrase has 12 words
It is worth knowing that seed phrase can be 12, 15, 18, 21 or 24 words.

first I written that 12words in englsih on a paper, then one by one types them in the translator(i dont need to use translator because i know 4-5
indian langauges) by changing languages one by one.
It is not a good idea. Learn more about what passphrase is or how to encrypt and you will see how your suggestion is not relevant. Do not make use of a translator. While looking more for security ways is the reason some people's coins would be lost.

Passphrase is enough in my opinion.

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October 27, 2023, 04:57:16 PM
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You can always use a translation book. But my concern would be if you use Book A in 2023 then need to translate in 2050 but no longer have Book A so you use Book B or even use Google Translate or some other service, the translation may not be the same as in 2023 from Book A and now your seed phrase is unknown and your funds lost.

You're thinking the right way though. But with something as important as seed phrases, the KISS (Keep It Stupid Simple) mentality is the way to go.
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October 27, 2023, 04:58:22 PM
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So this basically mean you will enter your seed phrase into the translator which will definitely make it go online, so it is bad idea to begin with.
Does the new generation of Internet users not know about the existence of offline (book translator into 2 languages on paper) translators?

Also trying too many ways to safeguard your seed phrase like using colors or just this translation will cause more problem than solve. During translation from different languages there some words that mean two or more meanings which when you try bringing them back to the original word will cause a change.
Any complication of the seed phrase creates difficulties not only for potential attackers, but also for the owners of this seed phrase themselves.

In this case, the problem is that the same words can have several interpretations in other languages and vice versa. This will create confusion.

The emergence of confusion when translating words back is inevitable, because you definitely noticed that words in different languages have several translation options and this will create several unnecessary incorrect versions of seed phrases.

Stick to the words of BIP 39 and use passphrase to safeguard it more, if the seed gets exposed your passphrase acts as a second layer
There are also some nuances with the passphrase: the length of the phrase and the presence of additional characters make it difficult to select this passphrase.

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I am not that new to the Internet, just I don't able to explain because of my bad English.
A seed phrase has 12 words, first I written that 12words in englsih on a paper, then one by one types them in the translator(i dont need to use translator because i know 4-5
indian langauges) by changing languages one by one.

Also I didn't think about security breach though,  I just shared my idea but learned other ways to secure seed phrase.
This is not an effective method to store your seed phrase even if you don't use an online translator.

Some words have synonyms, so translating it in your native language you might have problems remembering the correct word.

I would try I explain this the best way I can. Taking a local language in my country as an example, let's say one of the 12 words is "heart". "Heart" could be translated to "obi" but "obi" also means "hut". So if I translate it to "obi", I might have problem remembering whether the correct word is "heart" or "hut" when I want import the seed phrase.
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Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

I tried to find wallets which may allow multi language seed phrases but not found one, everything was for wallet software translated into different languages.

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So my question is can we generate seed phrases in a different languages with wallet software? Is there any wallet with this feature?

This is a workable method if you are not translating online, but I am still not a fan of applying such different methods. Of course, security is everything, but methods other than generally used methods may not produce the desired results.

If you feel comfortable using such a method, do it. You are the one responsible for security, and if that's what you want to do, go ahead.
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October 27, 2023, 06:19:56 PM
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In my opinion, translating your seed phrase into different languages is not a bad idea but not good either. Your seed phrase may be known by other people since you are using a translator. Try searching here in the forum on how to keep your seed phrase safe and there will be different ways to do it. Avoiding storing seed phrase online is what many people will give when they are giving an advice on how to keep your seed phrase safe and sound.

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I am not that new to the Internet, just I don't able to explain because of my bad English.
A seed phrase has 12 words, first I written that 12words in englsih on a paper, then one by one types them in the translator(i dont need to use translator because i know 4-5
indian langauges) by changing languages one by one.

Also I didn't think about security breach though,  I just shared my idea but learned other ways to secure seed phrase.
Ok I know what you mean,
You translated the words one by one in a different language, thus making the Seed Phrase seem not easy to guess.
and the original language of Seed Phrase is English and not in other languages. 

You need to know that AI technology is now increasingly sophisticated.
Changing in any form of language can be translated easily.
AI will also provide references when there are several translations that contain multiple meanings or synonyms.

Take a look at the illustration below, how easy it is to translate Seed Phrase in various languages that I created.
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It is possible that there will be some errors, but it is already close to the actual meaning of the translated Seed Phrase.



 
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I am not that new to the Internet, just I don't able to explain because of my bad English.
A seed phrase has 12 words, first I written that 12words in englsih on a paper, then one by one types them in the translator(i dont need to use translator because i know 4-5
indian langauges) by changing languages one by one.

Also I didn't think about security breach though,  I just shared my idea but learned other ways to secure seed phrase.

Instead of translating the individual words of the seed phrase into other languages, how about writing down only the first four letters of each word instead of the entire words?
The first four letters are enough to decipher all the words of your phrase, and for the vast majority of people, that set of letters written on paper will mean nothing, even if they find it by accident.

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IMO, that's a good idea especially if English is just a second language for you and you've got your native language. But don't make it look obvious when you're going to write it down. As long as you're trying to censor the actual phrase of yours and you're doing anything for you to add another extra layer of protection to your seed phrase, do it. I agree with what they are saying that don't search it out on Google because they're keeping track of their visitors and searched words.

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October 27, 2023, 10:30:07 PM
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Idea:
Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

I tried to find wallets which may allow multi language seed phrases but not found one, everything was for wallet software translated into different languages.

Question:
So my question is can we generate seed phrases in a different languages with wallet software? Is there any wallet with this feature?
Doing this will only result in trouble as translation errors are possible which would make you not to access your wallet anymore.
This is the truth - no matter what we do, we can't assure 100% security but keeping our seeds phrase properly will help it. Honestly, I'd never do anything like mixing letters, hiding in the vault, etc, but what I did it to write them in my notebook, and fortunately, my funds are still there. That is why I don't see a reason to try other ways if my current keeping style is effective.
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