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October 27, 2023, 04:06:29 PM
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Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

I tried to find wallets which may allow multi language seed phrases but not found one, everything was for wallet software translated into different languages.

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So my question is can we generate seed phrases in a different languages with wallet software? Is there any wallet with this feature?
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Idea:
Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

So this basically mean you will enter your seed phrase into the translator which will definitely make it go online, so it is bad idea to begin with. Also trying too many ways to safeguard your seed phrase like using colors or just this translation will cause more problem than solve. During translation from different languages there some words that mean two or more meanings which when you try bringing them back to the original word will cause a change.
Stick to the words of BIP 39 and use passphrase to safeguard it more, if the seed gets exposed your passphrase acts as a second layer

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October 27, 2023, 04:15:27 PM
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You are not keeping anything more secure.

You can make use of passphrase and backup your seed phrase and passphrase differently in different locations. With passphrase, your seed phrase will generate different keys and addresses. If you lose your passphrase, you will lose your coins just like if the seed phrase is lost.

So my question is can we generate seed phrases in a different languages with wallet software? Is there any wallet with this feature?
Seed phrase can be in other languages:
https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0039/bip-0039-wordlists.md

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October 27, 2023, 04:18:25 PM
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Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

So this basically mean you will enter your seed phrase into the translator which will definitely make it go online, so it is bad idea to begin with.

Google is not going to track me for my 0.002BTC. and it's not simple, a seed have 12 words I will translate 4 words in 3 different languages in different papers and keep them in different locations. Maybe 2 papers is good choice.
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October 27, 2023, 04:22:58 PM
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Idea:
Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

So this basically mean you will enter your seed phrase into the translator which will definitely make it go online, so it is bad idea to begin with.

Google is not going to track me for my 0.002BTC. and it's not simple, a seed have 12 words I will translate 4 words in 3 different languages in different papers and keep them in different locations. Maybe 3 papers is good choice.

As long as there’s chance it gets online don’t be too sure about it not getting hacked, you might think the amount is small but the hacker doesn’t think so, imagine an hacker having more of the wallets having similar amount of bitcoin like yours is that still small in your perspective. Never underestimate any form of security breach

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October 27, 2023, 04:26:00 PM
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Idea:
Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

So this basically mean you will enter your seed phrase into the translator which will definitely make it go online, so it is bad idea to begin with.

Google is not going to track me for my 0.002BTC. and it's not simple, a seed have 12 words I will translate 4 words in 3 different languages in different papers and keep them in different locations. Maybe 3 papers is good choice.

Google tracks everything. Besides that you will have to remember where those papers are and in which order those papers should be in order to recover the correct seed phrase.
If we go by your method then it is even more better if we just encrypt the words using other algorithm and then keep those encrypted words at different places.

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October 27, 2023, 04:32:21 PM
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Google is not going to track me for my 0.002BTC. and it's not simple, a seed have 12 words I will translate 4 words in 3 different languages in different papers and keep them in different locations. Maybe 2 papers is good choice.
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October 27, 2023, 04:36:43 PM
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Google is not going to track me for my 0.002BTC. and it's not simple, a seed have 12 words I will translate 4 words in 3 different languages in different papers and keep them in different locations. Maybe 2 papers is good choice.

The link above is not about translating the seed phrase but it is about if you want your seed phrase to be in other languages according to BIP39.

I will advice you not to translate anything. The reason is because the word you are translating have synonyms and very possible there could be a mistake in the future in a way you may not be able to translate the language back to the original 12 to 24 words.

And that is true, translator works online which is another reason it should not be used.

If we go by your method then it is even more better if we just encrypt the words using other algorithm and then keep those encrypted words at different places.
Encrypting the seed phrase is another good advice.

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October 27, 2023, 04:39:46 PM
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Google is not going to track me for my 0.002BTC. and it's not simple, a seed have 12 words I will translate 4 words in 3 different languages in different papers and keep them in different locations. Maybe 2 papers is good choice.

Google is not just tracking you because of your small funds, just knowing that you have Bitcoin is profitable information that can be shared or sold. These words can still be translated by anybody that has access to them. This process can be complicated and lead to loss of funds because the meaning of words changes over time. It could also pose a problem to your dependence in cases of death or sickness. Your funds might be lost forever if your dependence doesn't understand your security measures. The best options remain backing up your seed phrase in different locations and ensuring that no unauthorized person has access to it.

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October 27, 2023, 04:40:01 PM
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Google is not going to track me for my 0.002BTC. and it's not simple, a seed have 12 words I will translate 4 words in 3 different languages in different papers and keep them in different locations. Maybe 2 papers is good choice.
You must be new to the internet.

I am not that new to the Internet, just I don't able to explain because of my bad English.
A seed phrase has 12 words, first I written that 12words in englsih on a paper, then one by one types them in the translator(i dont need to use translator because i know 4-5
indian langauges) by changing languages one by one.

Also I didn't think about security breach though,  I just shared my idea but learned other ways to secure seed phrase.
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A seed phrase has 12 words
It is worth knowing that seed phrase can be 12, 15, 18, 21 or 24 words.

first I written that 12words in englsih on a paper, then one by one types them in the translator(i dont need to use translator because i know 4-5
indian langauges) by changing languages one by one.
It is not a good idea. Learn more about what passphrase is or how to encrypt and you will see how your suggestion is not relevant. Do not make use of a translator. While looking more for security ways is the reason some people's coins would be lost.

Passphrase is enough in my opinion.

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October 27, 2023, 04:57:16 PM
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You can always use a translation book. But my concern would be if you use Book A in 2023 then need to translate in 2050 but no longer have Book A so you use Book B or even use Google Translate or some other service, the translation may not be the same as in 2023 from Book A and now your seed phrase is unknown and your funds lost.

You're thinking the right way though. But with something as important as seed phrases, the KISS (Keep It Stupid Simple) mentality is the way to go.
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So this basically mean you will enter your seed phrase into the translator which will definitely make it go online, so it is bad idea to begin with.
Does the new generation of Internet users not know about the existence of offline (book translator into 2 languages on paper) translators?

Also trying too many ways to safeguard your seed phrase like using colors or just this translation will cause more problem than solve. During translation from different languages there some words that mean two or more meanings which when you try bringing them back to the original word will cause a change.
Any complication of the seed phrase creates difficulties not only for potential attackers, but also for the owners of this seed phrase themselves.

In this case, the problem is that the same words can have several interpretations in other languages and vice versa. This will create confusion.

The emergence of confusion when translating words back is inevitable, because you definitely noticed that words in different languages have several translation options and this will create several unnecessary incorrect versions of seed phrases.

Stick to the words of BIP 39 and use passphrase to safeguard it more, if the seed gets exposed your passphrase acts as a second layer
There are also some nuances with the passphrase: the length of the phrase and the presence of additional characters make it difficult to select this passphrase.

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I am not that new to the Internet, just I don't able to explain because of my bad English.
A seed phrase has 12 words, first I written that 12words in englsih on a paper, then one by one types them in the translator(i dont need to use translator because i know 4-5
indian langauges) by changing languages one by one.

Also I didn't think about security breach though,  I just shared my idea but learned other ways to secure seed phrase.
This is not an effective method to store your seed phrase even if you don't use an online translator.

Some words have synonyms, so translating it in your native language you might have problems remembering the correct word.

I would try I explain this the best way I can. Taking a local language in my country as an example, let's say one of the 12 words is "heart". "Heart" could be translated to "obi" but "obi" also means "hut". So if I translate it to "obi", I might have problem remembering whether the correct word is "heart" or "hut" when I want import the seed phrase.

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Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

I tried to find wallets which may allow multi language seed phrases but not found one, everything was for wallet software translated into different languages.

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So my question is can we generate seed phrases in a different languages with wallet software? Is there any wallet with this feature?

This is a workable method if you are not translating online, but I am still not a fan of applying such different methods. Of course, security is everything, but methods other than generally used methods may not produce the desired results.

If you feel comfortable using such a method, do it. You are the one responsible for security, and if that's what you want to do, go ahead.
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In my opinion, translating your seed phrase into different languages is not a bad idea but not good either. Your seed phrase may be known by other people since you are using a translator. Try searching here in the forum on how to keep your seed phrase safe and there will be different ways to do it. Avoiding storing seed phrase online is what many people will give when they are giving an advice on how to keep your seed phrase safe and sound.

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I am not that new to the Internet, just I don't able to explain because of my bad English.
A seed phrase has 12 words, first I written that 12words in englsih on a paper, then one by one types them in the translator(i dont need to use translator because i know 4-5
indian langauges) by changing languages one by one.

Also I didn't think about security breach though,  I just shared my idea but learned other ways to secure seed phrase.
Ok I know what you mean,
You translated the words one by one in a different language, thus making the Seed Phrase seem not easy to guess.
and the original language of Seed Phrase is English and not in other languages. 

You need to know that AI technology is now increasingly sophisticated.
Changing in any form of language can be translated easily.
AI will also provide references when there are several translations that contain multiple meanings or synonyms.

Take a look at the illustration below, how easy it is to translate Seed Phrase in various languages that I created.
Just write "Translates to English ...... " and you're done.

It is possible that there will be some errors, but it is already close to the actual meaning of the translated Seed Phrase.


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I am not that new to the Internet, just I don't able to explain because of my bad English.
A seed phrase has 12 words, first I written that 12words in englsih on a paper, then one by one types them in the translator(i dont need to use translator because i know 4-5
indian langauges) by changing languages one by one.

Also I didn't think about security breach though,  I just shared my idea but learned other ways to secure seed phrase.

Instead of translating the individual words of the seed phrase into other languages, how about writing down only the first four letters of each word instead of the entire words?
The first four letters are enough to decipher all the words of your phrase, and for the vast majority of people, that set of letters written on paper will mean nothing, even if they find it by accident.

So your seed phrase becomes something like:

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IMO, that's a good idea especially if English is just a second language for you and you've got your native language. But don't make it look obvious when you're going to write it down. As long as you're trying to censor the actual phrase of yours and you're doing anything for you to add another extra layer of protection to your seed phrase, do it. I agree with what they are saying that don't search it out on Google because they're keeping track of their visitors and searched words.

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Idea:
Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

I tried to find wallets which may allow multi language seed phrases but not found one, everything was for wallet software translated into different languages.

Question:
So my question is can we generate seed phrases in a different languages with wallet software? Is there any wallet with this feature?
Doing this will only result in trouble as translation errors are possible which would make you not to access your wallet anymore.
This is the truth - no matter what we do, we can't assure 100% security but keeping our seeds phrase properly will help it. Honestly, I'd never do anything like mixing letters, hiding in the vault, etc, but what I did it to write them in my notebook, and fortunately, my funds are still there. That is why I don't see a reason to try other ways if my current keeping style is effective.

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October 27, 2023, 10:31:53 PM
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I think it’s both a good and bad idea. For one, a good portion of the world is bilingual so it’s not like you’ll have a problemwith translating it especially if you translate some of your seed phrase’s words into your native tongue. Now the problem starts wjen you start incorporating other languages into the mixture. Imagine using a language you do no know much of, as part of your pass code, it’s either you’ll lock yourself out, or you risk losing your wallet since you’ll be translating shit over the internet and keylogging is so easy to integrate into systems nowadays. A simple email or a text file could carry with it keyloggers.

In any case it’s not inherently a bad idea, it could work and I can already imagine someone doing this . But it has its downsides for sure.

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Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

I tried to find wallets which may allow multi language seed phrases but not found one, everything was for wallet software translated into different languages.

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So my question is can we generate seed phrases in a different languages with wallet software? Is there any wallet with this feature?

I fear this will not add extra security to your seed. Instead, like many others mentioned in this thread, you'll get additional issues, because of the problems with reversing your translation and recovering correct words in the original language. Additionally, if I'd spot a set of words similar to a private key and some words would be in some other language guess what would be my first thought?  Roll Eyes
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If an attacker gets all the words, it will be trivial for them to write a script that will translate them all to each of the possible languages and brute force the original seed. So this all is just an illusion of safety, and it only raises the complexity of managing the backup. You might even lock yourself out of your coins and then have to contact someone who can write a code for deciphering your backups.

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This sounds risky and could lock one out of their own wallet. The thing you may have forgotten about the wallet mnemonic is that it has to be exactly that word. When making translations, the word could later come out as something else. I'm talking about synonyms. And to even make the translation with a software is dangerous on its own unless you built the software yourself or you translate each word from a different account/device.



 

 

 

 

 

 


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October 27, 2023, 11:29:42 PM
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Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.
If you use translator online, your seed phrase can be translated. But we have to be aware that for every word in our seed phrase has synonyms and it is normal that the translation of some of the words of your seed phrase can change which maybe will get you in trouble. For me, I think it's not efficient and still has risk of losing access of your wallet.


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I tried to find wallets which may allow multi language seed phrases but not found one, everything was for wallet software translated into different languages.
I think this idea would make a wallet less secured and I think you can't find one.

Too many wallets were found that has a very good feature which is enough to secure your funds. Sometimes, thinking too hard to create an idea would only make things more complicated and not helpful.

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October 28, 2023, 04:03:50 AM
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So my question is can we generate seed phrases in a different languages with wallet software? Is there any wallet with this feature?
There are not common to have wallets that support different language for words in wallet mnemonic seeds.

Why you don't simply use English and stick with it but make multiple backups?
Because at the end, how you keep your wallet backups safely, secretly (no one can access your backups) and usable are most important.

You can try a tool from Iancoleman's Mnemonic Code Converter, that supports some languages.
https://iancoleman.io/bip39/

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Opt for a manual approach, akin to navigating a puzzle with the aid of a dictionary and a dash of randomness. This method not only ensures greater security but, more importantly, shields your sensitive information from online exposure when dealing with your passphrase. Perhaps, if your wallet boasts substantial holdings, you can contemplate transitioning away from this approach and crafting a new wallet alongside a fresh backup passphrase. After all, this is all intricately tied to your wealth.

Maintain a balance between security and accessibility when safeguarding your passphrase. It's a common pitfall for individuals to forget how to recover their passphrase after a prolonged period of disengagement from it. I must emphasize the importance of employing a technique that's straightforward for you but perplexing for others. There's no need to needlessly complicate the process of accessing your assets.

Inquiring about the risk of a breach, it's crucial to acknowledge that all methods bear some level of vulnerability. Therefore, any safeguarding effort is superior to the risk of losing your original passphrase and being unable to recall it, resulting in a complete loss. I don't object to experimenting with online solutions, but ensure they are fortified with complex techniques to prevent them from resembling easily penetrable naked phrases.
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Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.
There is nothing wrong with the already existing methods of keeping bitcoins safe, trying new ideas on how to keep seed phrase safe may not be the best choice. There are methods of keeping seed phrase safe already, explore those methods and choose the one suited for you. In trying new ideas to keep bitcoin safe, you may not be able to detect the flaws in your methods immediately and so put yourself at risk. Trying new things is not always good.

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Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.
There is nothing wrong with the already existing methods of keeping bitcoins safe, trying new ideas on how to keep seed phrase safe may not be the best choice. There are methods of keeping seed phrase safe already, explore those methods and choose the one suited for you. In trying new ideas to keep bitcoin safe, you may not be able to detect the flaws in your methods immediately and so put yourself at risk. Trying new things is not always good.
The flaws you are talking about includes the difficulty when OP tries to translate back to the original language. There are possibilities that the word translated from English to another language has the other meaning/word when translated back to English. Aside from that, the idea of splitting the seed phrase into different papers, the chances of being misplaced or its arrangement, the risk is too high.

It's not bad to find other things to secure seed phrase, however, thinking of the risks should always be considered. Right now, sticking to the existing way of keeping seed phrase is better than trying this method. It's too risky.


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Question:
So my question is can we generate seed phrases in a different languages with wallet software? Is there any wallet with this feature?

I think this method will not add more security for us, because if you can translate your seed phrase to another language and when your seed phrase is exposed then the thief can also reverse it all. Furthermore, once you have stored your seed phrase in the safest place, it means that no one will know about it. So why do you need an extra layer of security? If you don't trust where your phrase is stored, you should change it immediately instead of trying to complicate things.

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It's not a new way, but you're just trying to make something different when it's still obvious. I think many of people already know what is 12 and 24 words in cryptocurrency, if they understand about Bitcoin and they see an arranged 12 or 24 words, they might be try to do anything in order to get the English version. Doesn't matter whether it's using local language, code, HEX color etc.

For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.
It means you would share your seed phrase to a stranger and after few minutes later, all of your coins would be gone.

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So my question is can we generate seed phrases in a different languages with wallet software? Is there any wallet with this feature?

It's not worth it bro because you're somehow exposing your seed phrase to the hackers who can easily translate it back to English language with the help of any online translator. It's not a good choice to write your seed phrase on multiple papers as if you lose one of those then you may not be able to recover your wallet.

I don't think that it's worthy to find a wallet software that allows use of multiple language seed phrases because the BIP39 doesn't allow use of multiple languages and only English is currently as the supported language of that standard.

However, you can change seed words into any language as long as the words can be converted back into English without any mistakes. But, still I would prefer you to stick with the traditional ways to protect your seed-phrases rather than following an approach that would make things harder for you.


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October 28, 2023, 12:15:11 PM
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Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

I tried to find wallets which may allow multi language seed phrases but not found one, everything was for wallet software translated into different languages.

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So my question is can we generate seed phrases in a different languages with wallet software? Is there any wallet with this feature?

How is that a new way to secure seed phrase? You put it in a paper, and what if someone pick it up? I m sure they are not that dump to not think to use a translator as, we know that most seed phrase is in english. There's too many loop holes in what you suggested. Maybe for you only it will be effective but believe me its not. If you really want to secure your seed phrase then don't write it in your paper, "secure" means no one besides you will access it, so think of another way to secure it. For me even if you don't believe I memorized my seed phrase, that is the most effective way to secure my seed phrase, in case I forgot it I have plan B which is my seed phrase are being encrypted, how? Well IT think I created a program just for me to encrypt and decrypt anything that I want.

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I could say it will be difficult for the hackers to access your wallet and get the right code but the question is if you still keep the original one or just rely on the translated words. But the bad thing may happen to you and those who tried this is to recover once you miss the right one - as in the end, you both (hackers and owner) got nothing.

We don't need to stress ourselves on how to keep our keys safe because whether we like it or not, we are prone to hacking incidents. We just hope that they won't target us and of course, not to fall into their tricks.



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OP, until you eventually end up hiding it even from yourself; you won't understand the logic of always keeping it simple. At one time, when I allowed myself to be swept by the paranoia of wallet security, I almost got locked out of a certain wallet. I swept certain words off their positions by interchanging them. I think I took first three words and replaced them with the last three sets but then forgot which came first later. Though it was just a bit of coins in that wallet but I sweated when I couldn't get in back. By stroke of luck I was able to regain the words after several attempts. This day, I just write them out in the simple form. What's gonna be it's gonna be. If you seek wallet security like it's a vault in a central bank, remember that there could arise a situation that may likely alter your access to the wallet outside your control. Ill health and dementia, death and war are all there, just to mention but four.

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Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

I tried to find wallets which may allow multi language seed phrases but not found one, everything was for wallet software translated into different languages.

Question:
So my question is can we generate seed phrases in a different languages with wallet software? Is there any wallet with this feature?
Works better if you know both languages like a palm of your hand, and don't try it with words that have several meaning. Like word "six" in finnish has 10 different meanings and translates to 10 different words depending on the context. Also we don't have some words english has. Or back and forth translation could produce different results each time.

This could work in some ways, but i find it quite obvious, as if i saw certain number of random works with my language in a piece of paper without any context., my mind would totally go to translated seed phrase.

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October 28, 2023, 01:01:42 PM
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Google is not going to track me for my 0.002BTC. and it's not simple, a seed have 12 words I will translate 4 words in 3 different languages in different papers and keep them in different locations. Maybe 2 papers is good choice.

The link above is not about translating the seed phrase but it is about if you want your seed phrase to be in other languages according to BIP39.

I will advice you not to translate anything. The reason is because the word you are translating have synonyms and very possible there could be a mistake in the future in a way you may not be able to translate the language back to the original 12 to 24 words.

And that is true, translator works online which is another reason it should not be used.

If we go by your method then it is even more better if we just encrypt the words using other algorithm and then keep those encrypted words at different places.
Encrypting the seed phrase is another good advice.

That's a very good point about the synonyms. A single word can have multiple synonyms and just imagine how awfully wrong we can be with 12 - 24 words.
So I guess it's way better to encrypt it after all. We just have to decide an encryption method and then store the encrypted seed on a secure location having multiple backups.
Just the owner would know which encryption method he had used.

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October 28, 2023, 08:26:53 PM
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IMO, that's a good idea especially if English is just a second language for you and you've got your native language. But don't make it look obvious when you're going to write it down. As long as you're trying to censor the actual phrase of yours and you're doing anything for you to add another extra layer of protection to your seed phrase, do it. I agree with what they are saying that don't search it out on Google because they're keeping track of their visitors and searched words.

The thought of your assets and accounts being hijacked, the possibility that everything can be taken from us suddenly and without warning, is always a cause for concern. As with almost everything else in life, there are dozens of ways we go about securing seed sentences and protecting them from fraud. Some of these are the safest and some are advice we would never want to follow. For me, the OP's advice is one of the measures worth trying. If I didn't intend to keep my seed sentences forever, I could certainly translate them into different languages and keep them on paper. That's fine with me and I like the idea.

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October 28, 2023, 09:16:07 PM
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Idea:
Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

So this basically mean you will enter your seed phrase into the translator which will definitely make it go online, so it is bad idea to begin with.

Google is not going to track me for my 0.002BTC. and it's not simple, a seed have 12 words I will translate 4 words in 3 different languages in different papers and keep them in different locations. Maybe 2 papers is good choice.
You may have a minor amount of Bitcoin, but you're posting your idea here as a potential way to store your seed phrase, so I don't know if you're getting my point. You could potentially make it work by doing the translation yourself, provided that you know another foreign language. Personally, I wouldn't go through such a hassle; storing it on a few pieces of paper would suffice for me. You can easily make a mistake in translation when you're trying to recover the original seed, although the seed phrase's words are generally pretty simple and straightforward. As other users have already mentioned, there are numerous ways to store your seed, so whatever suits you best.

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No this is not a good idea. With a regular 12 word seed you can pretty much memorize it in your head. If you go around changing the language of the seed words you will never be able to memorize it and by using all those tools it’s sets up a point of failure.

Just get one of those stencils and make your 12 or 24 word phrase into a metal pipe that is fire proof and hid it somewhere in your house. Put it next to some pipe and if someone sees they will think it’s regular plumbing. Don’t need to complicate it and end up losing your seed and funds.

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Google is not going to track me for my 0.002BTC. and it's not simple, a seed have 12 words I will translate 4 words in 3 different languages in different papers and keep them in different locations. Maybe 2 papers is good choice.

The link above is not about translating the seed phrase but it is about if you want your seed phrase to be in other languages according to BIP39.

I will advice you not to translate anything. The reason is because the word you are translating have synonyms and very possible there could be a mistake in the future in a way you may not be able to translate the language back to the original 12 to 24 words.

And that is true, translator works online which is another reason it should not be used.

If we go by your method then it is even more better if we just encrypt the words using other algorithm and then keep those encrypted words at different places.
Encrypting the seed phrase is another good advice.

That's a very good point about the synonyms. A single word can have multiple synonyms and just imagine how awfully wrong we can be with 12 - 24 words.
So I guess it's way better to encrypt it after all. We just have to decide an encryption method and then store the encrypted seed on a secure location having multiple backups.
Just the owner would know which encryption method he had used.
In other words, OP's just trying to make it hard for himself to recover his seed phrase. The fact that there are multiple synonyms when you translate it back to the original word has the possibility of being unable to get back the exact original word.

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These are my security tips:

1. Rearrange two of the words of your seed phrase in the wrong order, so that only you know how to put them back in the correct order.

You could rearrange more than two words, but then you risk your memory failing you. So best to keep it simple and easy to remember with just two words.

For me I think scrambling two words out of order is good enough. The correct order of the two words is then stored only in your head and never written anywhere.

If someone finds my seed phrase it would be useless to them because two of the words are out of order, but only I know which ones.



2. Use a wallet that supports passphrases (or 25th word) to allow you to set up a decoy and hidden wallet.

The passphrase is also never written anywhere and stored only in your head. The other option is to store the passphrase in a different location then your seedphrase.

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You are simply trying to make things more complicated for yourself mate, you could end up doing everything wrong and lost access to your coins, it's better to just buy a hardware wallet or learn to keep your recovery seed safe.

I have someone who have been using Electrum wallet since 2017 and he never lost any coins till this day, it depends on how you keep your private keys and recovery seeds save from hackers and scammers, my advice is to concentrate on improving your security instead of trying to make things more complicated.
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Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

So this basically mean you will enter your seed phrase into the translator which will definitely make it go online, so it is bad idea to begin with. Also trying too many ways to safeguard your seed phrase like using colors or just this translation will cause more problem than solve. During translation from different languages there some words that mean two or more meanings which when you try bringing them back to the original word will cause a change.
Stick to the words of BIP 39 and use passphrase to safeguard it more, if the seed gets exposed your passphrase acts as a second layer
Trying different methods to store seed phrase can end up putting one to confusion, this method op is talking about is not a good one for me. It is better seed phrase are store the way it is written to avoid complications,  because changing it to another language for a longtime , when it is needed it can make people to be confused. When talking about seed phrase safety people should learn how to be discipline and careful in keeping things. If seed phrase should be stored properly in the way it is written it will be very difficult for another person to come across it if it is place in the proper place.

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Question:
So my question is can we generate seed phrases in a different languages with wallet software? Is there any wallet with this feature?

So far, we have had many methods of storing bitcoins and it has worked well. I think people are satisfied with those methods, people will not risk trying any new methods proposed. So I think you don't need to share or introduce it to everyone because in my opinion, many methods have been shared by many people and most of them criticize more than support them. Each method has advantages and disadvantages, you just need to do it the way you think is safest for you, you no need to share your method because everyone will have their own thoughts.

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So far, we have had many methods of storing bitcoins and it has worked well. I think people are satisfied with those methods, people will not risk trying any new methods proposed. So I think you don't need to share or introduce it to everyone because in my opinion, many methods have been shared by many people and most of them criticize more than support them.
More complicated does not mean higher security and conveniece for recovery process. With recovery, you need a process to do it correctly, smoothly and comfortably. Do you need a complicated recovery process?

I don't and I believe you and many people do not need it.

Most important for your money, if you lose direction in a middle of complicated process and fail with recovery, you lose your bitcoin.

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Each method has advantages and disadvantages, you just need to do it the way you think is safest for you, you no need to share your method because everyone will have their own thoughts.
For your practice, you need time and practice make perfect. If you already master a wallet, a backup and recovery method that is proven as safely by experts and many people apply it, you don't have to try new things.

New things mean risk and you should never take risk with your money.
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Idea:
Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.


False sense of security, IMHO.

 Better think about reliable places to hide your seed phrase, than about reinventing the wheel.

You don't need to keep the whole length of words from seed phrase. First four letters are  enough to restore the word. Most available wallets do it automatically. If some wallet will  refuse to restore automatically  the relevant  SEED word  you can always do it manually via checking with the BIP39-words-list.  

I tried to find wallets which may allow multi language seed phrases but not found one, everything was for wallet software translated into different languages.

Question:
So my question is can we generate seed phrases in a different languages with wallet software? Is there any wallet with this feature?

I didn't come across such wallets

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OP, until you eventually end up hiding it even from yourself; you won't understand the logic of always keeping it simple. At one time, when I allowed myself to be swept by the paranoia of wallet security, I almost got locked out of a certain wallet. I swept certain words off their positions by interchanging them. I think I took first three words and replaced them with the last three sets but then forgot which came first later. Though it was just a bit of coins in that wallet but I sweated when I couldn't get in back. By stroke of luck I was able to regain the words after several attempts. This day, I just write them out in the simple form. What's gonna be it's gonna be. If you seek wallet security like it's a vault in a central bank, remember that there could arise a situation that may likely alter your access to the wallet outside your control. Ill health and dementia, death and war are all there, just to mention but four.

Wise words again—how simple it is. Why reinvent the wheel when it has already been invented? Everything that the OP fantasized about will only add to his headache; I doubt that he has millions stored, which are hunted by both hackers on the Internet and robbers offline. There is an expression that if you want to hide a thing well, put it in a visible place. You don’t have to follow the instructions in detail, but let there be a mind without paranoid tendencies. If the OP can't save the seed phrase in the usual way, expecting a hack, then he won't be able to save it even if he translates it into numerous languages.

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So far, we have had many methods of storing bitcoins and it has worked well. I think people are satisfied with those methods, people will not risk trying any new methods proposed. So I think you don't need to share or introduce it to everyone because in my opinion, many methods have been shared by many people and most of them criticize more than support them. Each method has advantages and disadvantages, you just need to do it the way you think is safest for you, you no need to share your method because everyone will have their own thoughts.

If we have many ways to secure Bitcoin, then someone has told us these ways too. All these methods have not been told to us together, but in the same way, one by one, they entered the mind of every person and they were told to other people, from which all people continued to benefit. I think he just presented his idea. Here everyone has the right to share any new and better ideas with others.

So that we can benefit the people on this plate form along with our benefit. We don't necessarily follow his idea of crypto currency security, but we can appreciate his effort. I think the idea is great, if we write our seed in a language that people around us don't understand, it's also a good way for security. Of course, everyone has their own thoughts, but we must share our thoughts with others.


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I doubt that he has millions stored, which are hunted by both hackers on the Internet and robbers offline.
That's even the sad reality. Most of these people getting paranoid about wallet security are not likely to have up to $100 worth in Bitcoin, yet they get conscious of security. I ain't saying they shouldn't. It's just that they should tone it down a bit.

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You didn't lie on this. Imagine keeping sheets where passphrases and other seemingly meaningless scribbled words are jotted down in the kitchen or tucked somewhere in a store and not in briefcases, burglars won't even bother to look in there. Even if they do, they won't think anything of it and will miss it.

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I doubt that he has millions stored, which are hunted by both hackers on the Internet and robbers offline.
That's even the sad reality. Most of these people getting paranoid about wallet security are not likely to have up to $100 worth in Bitcoin, yet they get conscious of security. I ain't saying they shouldn't. It's just that they should tone it down a bit.
I think it's better to be that way rather than least prioritizing the wallet security. They aren't targeted by the hackers but there are some random malwares out there that are set-up by those small fish hackers which target are those newbies or those who has weak security. My friend was hacked because of a malware and the funds where not that big but the hacker didn't spare him. As long as there are something that a hacker can get to you, they will get it. I believe that it's a good thing to make a habit on checking your own security.
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Idea:
Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

I tried to find wallets which may allow multi language seed phrases but not found one, everything was for wallet software translated into different languages.

You will get different responses from each user. Because this idea can be good or not, depending on how you really remember it.

But for me this would be very difficult, firstly I don't really understand English, I just rely on Google Translate. The problem is that Google Translation sometimes produces different meanings, which makes me dizzy. If there is something easier, why look for something complicated when in the end I will get a headache myself. However, if you think this idea is safer, that's no problem, you can use it. The important thing is that you are responsible for your own seed phrase.

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I think it's better to be that way rather than least prioritizing the wallet security. They aren't targeted by the hackers but there are some random malwares out there that are set-up by those small fish hackers which target are those newbies or those who has weak security. My friend was hacked because of a malware and the funds where not that big but the hacker didn't spare him.
This is why people are advised against opening random links or using their main wallets for airdrops. Malware don't just run on their own if they aren't activated through clicking or am I wrong on this? If people can set up their wallets offline and not go online on it, they should also be fine on that and away from malware.

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Idea:
Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

I tried to find wallets which may allow multi language seed phrases but not found one, everything was for wallet software translated into different languages.

Question:
So my question is can we generate seed phrases in a different languages with wallet software? Is there any wallet with this feature?

As of now, I do not know any wallet that generates seed phrases in any other language, other than English. The only way to do this is to convert your seed phrases manually in your native language but there are many serious drawbacks to this and hence it is not a recommended idea.

Drawbacks of this Idea

1- If you online one tool to translate you are exposing your seed phrases to the internet and anyone looking at the logs, can easily identify that is the seed phrases that were sent for translation.

2- There may be many different words (synonyms) for a single word and therefore it will not be easy to translate the word back to the original English word making it harder to recover the seed for the owner himself.

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Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

I tried to find wallets which may allow multi language seed phrases but not found one, everything was for wallet software translated into different languages.

Question:
So my question is can we generate seed phrases in a different languages with wallet software? Is there any wallet with this feature?

Have you asked yourself "what if translator had update in the future and when you try to translate from your local language to English, it gives you another meaning." You will lose everything you have in your wallet and that's when you will know that you are in deep shit.

A seed phrase are words that were carefully picked from 2048 words for BIP 39 word list]

Have you asked yourself "what if translator had update in the future and when you try to translate from your local language to English, it gives you another meaning." You will lose everything you have in your wallet and that's when you will know that you are in deep shit.

A seed phrase are words that were carefully picked from 2048 words for BIP 39 word list, any attempt to manipulate or played with these words, it will be difficult for you to have access to your wallet. In addition, it's not even advisable to add your own words to it because doing that, you are not creating a bip39 standard wallet, if you want to use this in another wallet that only recognizes bip39 words, it will not work.

Don't write your seed phrase on a pieces of paper, because it can get damage easily, they can catch fire when expose to fire and worn out if exposed to water. Better use a metallic surface to inscribe your seed phrase and it should be more than 2 so that you can share it in different locations. In the future, you can easily locate one of these backup seed phrase and get easy access to your coins.

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Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

I tried to find wallets which may allow multi language seed phrases but not find one, everything was for wallet software translated into different languages.

You will get different responses from each user. Because this idea can be good or not, depending on how you really remember it.


This will still hit the bottom line and bounce up more because by translating your seed phrase into 3 different languages,  it makes sense only if those languages are not word-translated. After all, I don't see any sense in trying to hide a seed phrase from me by using another language to translate them after all, I can easily know what those words stand for by simply googling the Internet.

I think we are not at it yet but we may be very close to achieving the best secure approach to storing our seed phrase and how best to keep them always from any third-party access.

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October 29, 2023, 07:52:46 PM
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1. Rearrange two of the words of your seed phrase in the wrong order, so that only you know how to put them back in the correct order.
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If someone finds my seed phrase it would be useless to them because two of the words are out of order, but only I know which ones.

This is a very bad suggestion and wouldnt recommend it to anyone. You are just asking for trouble if you try to be tricky with your wallet's seed phrase.  I get why you might think shuffling around a couple words could be a clever security measure, but it really only makes things harder on yourself.  When you actually need to access your wallet, you might find yourself locked out!

Seed phrases have checks built into them to catch mixed up words.  So if you swap some stuff around, wallet software will know something is not right. It wont fool anyone and  with computers these days, unscrambling a few wrong words could take just seconds. 

2. Use a wallet that supports passphrases (or 25th word) to allow you to set up a decoy and hidden wallet.

The passphrase is also never written anywhere and stored only in your head. The other option is to store the passphrase in a different location then your seedphrase.

That second option is way better for keeping your backup phrase secure.  It makes total sense why that has become the recommended method.  But, our memory can be pretty unreliable, so it is smart not to depend on just memorizing your passphrase.

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These idea is not too good by translating the phase code to difference language that is not originated from that can cause more harm in the near future while using online translation that normally make mistake of mis interpretation of what have been writing down for a long time ago. Therefore is better used the language you speak and understand for saving your seed phrase code for better in the future.

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Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

I tried to find wallets which may allow multi language seed phrases but not found one, everything was for wallet software translated into different languages.

Question:
So my question is can we generate seed phrases in a different languages with wallet software? Is there any wallet with this feature?
OP I don't think your suggestion is reasonable at all. If we collect our seed phrase according to your advice then we can face danger at any moment. If we leave the seed phrase translated, later this seed phrase will show error and the wallet will not be accessed. This is because during translation some changes will happen to your seed phrase as a result of these changes we will not be able to access our wallet. So I will never accept your advice. There are many good ways to collect seed phrases for wallets we will follow those methods and keep our seed phrases very safe.

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1. Rearrange two of the words of your seed phrase in the wrong order, so that only you know how to put them back in the correct order.
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If someone finds my seed phrase it would be useless to them because two of the words are out of order, but only I know which ones.

This is a very bad suggestion and wouldnt recommend it to anyone. You are just asking for trouble if you try to be tricky with your wallet's seed phrase.  I get why you might think shuffling around a couple words could be a clever security measure, but it really only makes things harder on yourself.  When you actually need to access your wallet, you might find yourself locked out!

Seed phrases have checks built into them to catch mixed up words.  So if you swap some stuff around, wallet software will know something is not right. It wont fool anyone and  with computers these days, unscrambling a few wrong words could take just seconds.  

I have no idea what you are talking about.

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2. Use a wallet that supports passphrases (or 25th word) to allow you to set up a decoy and hidden wallet.

The passphrase is also never written anywhere and stored only in your head. The other option is to store the passphrase in a different location then your seedphrase.

That second option is way better for keeping your backup phrase secure.  It makes total sense why that has become the recommended method.  
But, our memory can be pretty unreliable, so it is smart not to depend on just memorizing your passphrase.



Like you said, your memory is unreliable so if you were to hide your passphrase in a physical location (instead of memorizing it in your head)  then you could forget where you hid the passphrase which is the same thing. Both methods (hiding it somewhere in physical location or keeping it only in your head) rely on your memory.

But if your memory is so bad that you cannot commit to memory one or two words then you should not be messing around with self-custody at all. Stick to fiat money and the traditional banking system.




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Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

I tried to find wallets which may allow multi language seed phrases but not found one, everything was for wallet software translated into different languages.

Question:
So my question is can we generate seed phrases in a different languages with wallet software? Is there any wallet with this feature?

Isn't that too complicated? if we intend to keep bitcoins for a long time and we don't open the wallet then I think we can forget about the seed because the word has already been translated and separated. I don't know why, but I believe that if we plan to hold bitcoins for a long time, just buy a hardware wallet and print the seed or key, don't store it in online storage. I think it's pretty safe for that

Apart from that, in the area where I live, not many people understand about bitcoin. Even if someone finds my seed or key, chances are that person doesn't know what they found
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You know what I love about all the responses that have been given to your question is that for whatever question that has been asked there is an intelligent answer to it . It is almost as if someone else has thought about all the problems relating to cryptocurrencies and given a solution.

For example in this GitHub already shared by Charles, you can see the answer to your question already there. I'll attach the link again incase someone missed it.
https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0039/bip-0039-wordlists.md

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Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.
That is a bad idea, and all the reason why is a bad idea was posted by brilliant member above. But, if we want to break it all and destroy what the seed system run, you can try to create your own langauge (with not listed on BIP39 worthlist), yes, I will try to create my costume language on electrum wallet:

1. open Electrum wallet
2. Already have seed
3. Create your costume seed : (example) - saya sangat bahagia
4. Then click an option - tick - BIP39 seed
5. then you already have Bitcoin address using costume language.



I believe is not good for the security system. because it doesn't match with the checksum. And probably will make the error when reimport it again these kind of seed in the future.

that's what will happen if you translate it or using costume language (which not listed) on the system), and you forget it.
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Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

So this basically mean you will enter your seed phrase into the translator which will definitely make it go online, so it is bad idea to begin with.

Google is not going to track me for my 0.002BTC. and it's not simple, a seed have 12 words I will translate 4 words in 3 different languages in different papers and keep them in different locations. Maybe 2 papers is good choice.

Do you know different languages or are you completely gonna rely on translators for translation? If it's latter, what guarantees the translation will be same when you want to know original words?

Security measure should be viable for all holdings, if it can only be used for small amount might as well just stick hot wallets.

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October 30, 2023, 02:55:00 AM
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So far, we have had many methods of storing bitcoins and it has worked well. I think people are satisfied with those methods, people will not risk trying any new methods proposed. So I think you don't need to share or introduce it to everyone because in my opinion, many methods have been shared by many people and most of them criticize more than support them.
More complicated does not mean higher security and conveniece for recovery process. With recovery, you need a process to do it correctly, smoothly and comfortably. Do you need a complicated recovery process?

I don't and I believe you and many people do not need it.

Most important for your money, if you lose direction in a middle of complicated process and fail with recovery, you lose your bitcoin.
How complicated is it? Because as I said, each person will have different thoughts and preferences, it may be complicated for you and me, but for OP, it is very simple and helps him be more confident in protecting his bitcoins. So should he follow his intuition or do what you say when it's his bitcoin?

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Each method has advantages and disadvantages, you just need to do it the way you think is safest for you, you no need to share your method because everyone will have their own thoughts.
For your practice, you need time and practice make perfect. If you already master a wallet, a backup and recovery method that is proven as safely by experts and many people apply it, you don't have to try new things.

New things mean risk and you should never take risk with your money.

This idea is not completely new, it is like an upgrade of old methods by increasing complexity and difficulty. I wouldn't see anything riskier with this approach but it probably wouldn't increase our security either. This is my opinion, but I think the OP thinks it's good for him, so I say he should choose the method he thinks is best for him.

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October 30, 2023, 07:57:56 PM
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I have no idea what you are talking about.

That is precisely my point. You do not have sufficient fundamental knowledge about this matter, and you are trying to come up with your own methods to secure the seed phrase. Let me break it down for you: just shuffling a few words in your seed phrase wont make it more secure. Dont do that!

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October 30, 2023, 08:19:09 PM
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If you are looking for a specific wallet that supports generating seed phrases in multiple languages, it is currently uncommon to find this feature. The industry-standard is to use the BIP39 wordlist, which consists of words in English. It provides a standardized and widely adopted method for creating and recovering wallets.
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Idea:
Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

I tried to find wallets which may allow multi language seed phrases but not found one, everything was for wallet software translated into different languages.

Question:
So my question is can we generate seed phrases in a different languages with wallet software? Is there any wallet with this feature?

Your thought process has simply added complexity to an already complex situation. Simply put, I disagree with what you are stating. Anyone with a seed phrase for their account wallet should follow this easy instruction: save it in the safest location possible, like a paper wallet, USB, or other similar device.

In my opinion, this is due to the way you do things; rather than doing one task, you add more; if the others forget where it is concealed or where it was placed, and how much more, you will substitute other terms for the seed phrases. that you possess. Sincerely, I don't think what you're suggesting is a good idea.


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I believe is not good for the security system. because it doesn't match with the checksum. And probably will make the error when reimport it again these kind of seed in the future.

that's what will happen if you translate it or using costume language (which not listed) on the system), and you forget it.

Instead of being unsure of the security system and checksums that don't match, it is better to use the seed that has been given by default and that should be kept carefully with extra protection.

Plans to customize the seed end up with errors and even increase the risk of not being able to open.
There are many kinds of security that can be applied to store Seed Phrase safely, such as storage using Time Capsule, using Whaser, etc.

Here is the full discussion for Local Board Indonesia
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5224138.msg54410038#msg54410038
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Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

I tried to find wallets which may allow multi language seed phrases but not found one, everything was for wallet software translated into different languages.

Question:
So my question is can we generate seed phrases in a different languages with wallet software? Is there any wallet with this feature?

Your thought process has simply added complexity to an already complex situation. Simply put, I disagree with what you are stating. Anyone with a seed phrase for their account wallet should follow this easy instruction: save it in the safest location possible, like a paper wallet, USB, or other similar device.

In my opinion, this is due to the way you do things; rather than doing one task, you add more; if the others forget where it is concealed or where it was placed, and how much more, you will substitute other terms for the seed phrases. that you possess. Sincerely, I don't think what you're suggesting is a good idea.

It is logical that people are always trying to find ways in which they can improve the security of their seed words, as losing them or letting someone else to steal them will lead to the complete loss of our funds on that wallet.

But it is also important to consider how practical it is to do something like this, and it is obvious that this adds too many risks, as there are words that could have several translations or that you could translate wrong and suddenly just because of a single mistake you are unable to get to your coins, so such measures are not worth it.

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October 31, 2023, 04:56:48 AM
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It is logical that people are always trying to find ways in which they can improve the security of their seed words, as losing them or letting someone else to steal them will lead to the complete loss of our funds on that wallet.

But it is also important to consider how practical it is to do something like this, and it is obvious that this adds too many risks, as there are words that could have several translations or that you could translate wrong and suddenly just because of a single mistake you are unable to get to your coins, so such measures are not worth it.
Well, you see, this technique could be worth considering, as there are numerous possibilities for how these seed words might be discovered by others. I view it as an additional layer of security with a slightly higher level of risk. Users employing this method (translating into another language and scrambling it) should be familiar with the mechanism applied. In other words, every week or every two weeks, users should attempt to import their actual valid seed words by translating the language mystery applied to the stored seed words.

In essence, users should regularly practice importing their seed words to avoid forgetting them when they need to restore their wallet in the future. And as I mentioned earlier, this does increase the risk if the data exposed online is intercepted by hackers.
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Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

I tried to find wallets which may allow multi language seed phrases but not found one, everything was for wallet software translated into different languages.

Question:
So my question is can we generate seed phrases in a different languages with wallet software? Is there any wallet with this feature?
You do not need to translate the security system or security phases of your Bitcoin wallet into different languages, but you should write them down in a specific paper or diary. Or if you write it neatly on your desktop or on a specific document then it will be stored for a long time and there is no chance of your wallet security being stolen.

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Well, whomever got access to the Seed phrases will quickly realize that the Seed words were translated into another language and then they too can use Google Translate to translate it back to English.

If you want to confuse a thief with the Seed, you have to break up the Seed words and phrases into something that only you would be able to decipher. Example adding you own words or letters or breaking it into separate words or mixing the order of the words.  Wink

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Hello, I am sharing a new idea for keeping your crypto seed phrase safe. You can make your seed phrase more secure by translating it into different languages. For more security use a translator and translate in two or three languages and split them to different papers for more security.

I tried to find wallets which may allow multi language seed phrases but not found one, everything was for wallet software translated into different languages.

Question:
So my question is can we generate seed phrases in a different languages with wallet software? Is there any wallet with this feature?
The most effort of every cryptocurrency user is how to secure their assets, which means they try to test their wallet in the most secure way so that their assets can be protected from hackers etc. So, taking this context, everyone is expressing the safest way and their own experience, and everyone compares their thoughts and gives suggestions. As the OP says, translate the wallet seed phrases in different languages ​​and write them on separate papers. So the OP's comment is worth introducing.

But personally, I believe that using the wallet seed phrases washer instead of the method with different languages ​​would be better to keep the phrases safe. The washer method has proven to be effective for many users. Which has been praised by many people. You can get more information by visiting the rest of the thread.

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October 31, 2023, 08:08:42 PM
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Google is not going to track me for my 0.002BTC. and it's not simple, a seed have 12 words I will translate 4 words in 3 different languages in different papers and keep them in different locations. Maybe 2 papers is good choice.
You must be new to the internet.
Anything that you do online and expose your seed phrase online, that's already a bad move for you. It's like you are feeding a hint to the hacker and give them the opportunity to hack your account. No matter how small the amount may be, hackers will always be hackers, as long as it involves money, they will always find ways on how to manipulate your account.

Your idea is great but because you do it online, the security of your seed phrase will always be at risk. Know that whatever you feed online will not be your full possession anymore, since it will always give them the chance to access and control your account even without your permission. No matter how reliable the platform is, as long as its done online, it will never be safe.
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