Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?

[benalexis12]

If its my friend seeking for a help then why not? If this is the best way I can help him survive from that addiction and rise again then I will not hesitate to help as long as he is willing to help himself too. But if a gambler is just raising a funds to support his gambling addiction then totally not, its not good and I will never tolerate this kind of behavior. Gambling can be very risky and if you know someone is already suffering and seeking for a help, try to help him even on a smallest way because it can be a big help for him.

If that's the only reason to do crowdfunding, it seems like it's difficult to participate and support such a concept. Maybe later that's just a modus operandi; you know what it means. It wouldn't matter if everything went through in a proper and legal way; it would be fine, in my opinion.

But as you said, if the gambler himself will not help himself to get rid of the addiction he has, then a friend will do the same to do crowdfunding for him. It seems like the outside is also cheated in the end. Right?

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[Fivestar4everMVP]

This is actually a very tricky question, regardless of the fact that some gamblers are very reckless, there is still possibility that any body can make a mistake at any given time.

In order not to go lengthy on this, my answer is very simple, based on my philanthropic nature, I would definitely be moved to help such a gambler, but this would be on some certain criteria.

1. First, and most important being that, if the gambler is relatively new to gambling, then, I will be definitely moved to help crowdfund him or her based on the fact that, i believe it's his or her first mistake, and that he or she probably have learnt from it and won't allow him or herself make such mistake again.

2. Secondly, it depend on what happened that lead to the gambler staking that high and losing it, if his or her story is one that is very touching and I see myself doing exactly the same thing he or she did if I was in his or her shoes, then I did be moved to help.

In all, it's important we all know that no body is an island of knowledge, we all make mistakes and when we do make a mistake that will swallow us, it is still humans that will come to our help, so, nothing is wrong in helping a fellow gambler if he or she truly deserve to be helped.

[maydna]

If its my friend seeking for a help then why not? If this is the best way I can help him survive from that addiction and rise again then I will not hesitate to help as long as he is willing to help himself too. But if a gambler is just raising a funds to support his gambling addiction then totally not, its not good and I will never tolerate this kind of behavior. Gambling can be very risky and if you know someone is already suffering and seeking for a help, try to help him even on a smallest way because it can be a big help for him.

If that's the only reason to do crowdfunding, it seems like it's difficult to participate and support such a concept. Maybe later that's just a modus operandi; you know what it means. It wouldn't matter if everything went through in a proper and legal way; it would be fine, in my opinion.

But as you said, if the gambler himself will not help himself to get rid of the addiction he has, then a friend will do the same to do crowdfunding for him. It seems like the outside is also cheated in the end. Right?

The important thing is that we know what the purpose of crowdfunding is and that it will not be misused to fund gamblers who are addicted to gambling to continue playing. If it is for the purpose of treating those who are addicted to gambling, maybe we can think about joining the people who have already donated. Doesn't that mean we also help people to cure their gambling addiction? And yes, if there is no intention from the gambler to help himself to cure his gambling addiction, it seems like crowdfunding will not work optimally because there is no awareness on the part of the gambler to cure his gambling addiction. It would be even better if local governments knew about crowdfunding for gambling because they could provide their support to help cure people who are addicted to gambling. That would be a good humanitarian program to do.

[Yatsan]

If its my friend seeking for a help then why not? If this is the best way I can help him survive from that addiction and rise again then I will not hesitate to help as long as he is willing to help himself too. But if a gambler is just raising a funds to support his gambling addiction then totally not, its not good and I will never tolerate this kind of behavior. Gambling can be very risky and if you know someone is already suffering and seeking for a help, try to help him even on a smallest way because it can be a big help for him.

If that's the only reason to do crowdfunding, it seems like it's difficult to participate and support such a concept. Maybe later that's just a modus operandi; you know what it means. It wouldn't matter if everything went through in a proper and legal way; it would be fine, in my opinion.

But as you said, if the gambler himself will not help himself to get rid of the addiction he has, then a friend will do the same to do crowdfunding for him. It seems like the outside is also cheated in the end. Right?

Asking him why he wants to gamble would be best I guess. If his reason is to earn money then there are other means to do so. Sometimes support doesn't need to be in accordance to the person who needs the help, there are times wherein it could be in contrast and what's important is whether it would be for his betterment or not. It is like giving a drug addict money to continue what he's doing 'coz he struggle if the presence of substance is lacking, rather than bringing him to professionals for proper treatment (if you have the capability to do so). Sometimes not supporting them literally is a kind of support.  The question only becames tricky if you'd let your emotions and attachment to the person as the bottomline and not the objective.

[Oilacris]

If its my friend seeking for a help then why not? If this is the best way I can help him survive from that addiction and rise again then I will not hesitate to help as long as he is willing to help himself too. But if a gambler is just raising a funds to support his gambling addiction then totally not, its not good and I will never tolerate this kind of behavior. Gambling can be very risky and if you know someone is already suffering and seeking for a help, try to help him even on a smallest way because it can be a big help for him.

If that's the only reason to do crowdfunding, it seems like it's difficult to participate and support such a concept. Maybe later that's just a modus operandi; you know what it means. It wouldn't matter if everything went through in a proper and legal way; it would be fine, in my opinion.

But as you said, if the gambler himself will not help himself to get rid of the addiction he has, then a friend will do the same to do crowdfunding for him. It seems like the outside is also cheated in the end. Right?

Asking him why he wants to gamble would be best I guess. If his reason is to earn money then there are other means to do so. Sometimes support doesn't need to be in accordance to the person who needs the help, there are times wherein it could be in contrast and what's important is whether it would be for his betterment or not. It is like giving a drug addict money to continue what he's doing 'coz he struggle if the presence of substance is lacking, rather than bringing him to professionals for proper treatment (if you have the capability to do so). Sometimes not supporting them literally is a kind of support.  The question only becames tricky if you'd let your emotions and attachment to the person as the bottomline and not the objective.

People would really be that considerate on the time that they would really be getting some viable reasons or something that would really be able to be that convincing or something that do talks
that would really be used for good or changes then he/she might really be able to get that financial or funding support from the community but if these things would be talking back
about making further gambling sessions or would be simply spend back into those casinos or betting houses then people would really be getting pissed of
with that in regard. They would definitely be saying HELL NO! for this one since there's no point or something beneficial if they would be doing this.

[Accardo]

And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

There are people that have been crowdfunded for other reasons like out of love from people who love them. This people are already rich, but you get to see lots of people who are struggling to survive still donate their hard earned money to these people on celebrations like their birthdays, I find it foolish. These people can crowdfund anybody and anyone, they will not find it difficult if a popular gambler they love who has gambled irresponsibly ask for help in the form of financial supporters.

Multiple criteria is associated to such a human behavior. Many only give money to people, whom they expect a payback, from a different way. Gamblers who lose it all, are seen in the society as irresponsible. Friends still should look out for other gamblers, who they have lesser love for in the society. Because the little rollers still end up losing too much money, amounting to high USD. So, truly, they may need the crowd funding to survive. It'll be difficult to find a community where people would render help to a losing gambler. Unless in situations where they are sure of a return after lending out the money. Other things may include, the character of the gambler after receiving the help. Remember we are looking at free funds here. It's crucial to know if the gambler is actually about to stop or wants to cheat others, by coining out a sweet emotional story. Givers are expected to run a background check before releasing any amount for the crowdfunding. Gamblers can't be predicted, that's why people can easily fund a friend's birthday, instead of trouble gamblers. Due to the risk involved, regarding, if the gambler will manage the funds. Few response above centers on the importance of not handing out the funds directly, to alter any form of misusing the funds to gamble again.

[Orpichukwu]

If someone was careless enough to use money that was meant for something else to gamble and it was the person's bad day, they were out of luck and ended up losing the money at the end of the day. Now that the money is gone, that's when the person realises that he was really supposed to use that money for something important, and now they seek public support. My honest truth is that I will hardly render help to such a person. The reason is this:
 
If the person was careless enough to gamble with money before, what will stop him or her from doing the same thing again? So unless that thing is a matter of life and death, I will not give a penny to such a person because they have already proven to me to be careless gamblers who don't have self-control.

[coolcoinz]

It's hard to say, but I wouldn't be a part of the donors for his campaign. It's not like he was struck by a disaster. No... He gambled away money meant for his family, or school tuition.
What would you do if he was your tenant and told you that he gambled away his rent money? Sorry, I don't have the money that I owe you, but I still want to live here for free. You'd probably kick his ass out onto the street, right?
Bottom line is, I feel for people who had problems, lost jobs, had an accident, were injured, had a death in the family... Such things I can support, but I don't support irresponsibility.

[alastantiger]

Only gamblers would understand how it feels to lose your money that you have budgeted for something. Everyone makes a silly and stupid mistake in life and since nobody is perfect, we all deserve a second chance. I will donate to the gambler and if I can add a note, I will tell him or her to be gamble responsibly and if he repeats the same mistake, then my benevolence will not forgive him.

[348Judah]

A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

We are al humans, this is what i will personally do, if the condition in involved on this crowdfunding process is very critical and deals with health or life challenges, then i will have no option than to give and support in such situation, but if it's something that has erupted out of the gamblers carelessness or irresponsibility, then i don't think i have that time or money to give in support of the unserious fellows for what they should be held responsible for.

[wheelz1200]

No absolutely not.  There are plenty of other good causes to crowd fund for than someone who degen'd there way into debt for something important in life.  My guess is if they already did it once then they probably would take the funds and gamble that away too.  Be responsible and take ownership of your losses, obsolving gamblers of this only deepens their own addiction.

[Onyeeze]

And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

There are people that have been crowdfunded for other reasons like out of love from people who love them. This people are already rich, but you get to see lots of people who are struggling to survive still donate their hard earned money to these people on celebrations like their birthdays, I find it foolish. These people can crowdfund anybody and anyone, they will not find it difficult if a popular gambler they love who has gambled irresponsibly ask for help in the form of financial supporters.

The areas I will concentrate is for someone who doesn't not have money but spend above what it receives monthly for birthday celebrations, its not really right because what they are celebrating does not have any impact to their lives, what matters most is to create impact of what that will elevate you, for the aspect of assistance, you might be less privileged but you have the mindset to help whosoever that comes to your way's to make sure you have solved the person's problems, that should be your own way, whereas at a point some people will have but they don't give out their money, some people don't help gamblers because they feel that if money is being entrusted to them they will divert the money for gambling, and some people also is against gambling and they can give you their hard earned money to use and gamble so humans have different reasoning

[Ultegra134]

There's usually a thin line before answering this kind of question, as it varies depending on the occasion and the reason for the said crowdfunding. On the one hand, I'd say that it's irresponsible to become bankrupt due to gambling; you're addicted and need professional help. This doesn't apply only to gambling but to anything that occurs in excess, such as compulsive shopping and so on. Personally, I'd rather not help someone who brought this on themselves, but on the other hand, some other serious issues might be underlying that led to the state that he needs to ask for crowdfunding. Thus, in my opinion, we shouldn't be too quick to judge, as there might be some serious conditions, such as medical, and the dire need for money led them to such compulsive behavior. Would it be justified? Certainly not, but we can't judge until we're in their shoes.

[DabsPoorVersion]

Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

Prior to deciding whether to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler seeking financial assistance, I am the type of person who would want to personally talk to the gambler first. Having a discussion personally will let us see the true objective of another person by looking into their eyes, how they will react, and how sincere they are. There's nothing wrong with helping a fellow gambler, it's just hard to trust someone so easily who made a mistake especially when it comes to money. He has to make a move, change for himself, and try to get back the trust of the people around him.

[angrybirdy]

There's usually a thin line before answering this kind of question, as it varies depending on the occasion and the reason for the said crowdfunding. On the one hand, I'd say that it's irresponsible to become bankrupt due to gambling; you're addicted and need professional help. This doesn't apply only to gambling but to anything that occurs in excess, such as compulsive shopping and so on. Personally, I'd rather not help someone who brought this on themselves, but on the other hand, some other serious issues might be underlying that led to the state that he needs to ask for crowdfunding. Thus, in my opinion, we shouldn't be too quick to judge, as there might be some serious conditions, such as medical, and the dire need for money led them to such compulsive behavior. Would it be justified? Certainly not, but we can't judge until we're in their shoes.

If there's any serious medical condition that's why a gambler need to ask crowdfunding, it is better to explain and elaborate it first or seek medical advice from the experts. In that way, maybe people will help him, But if the reason is about being an irresponsible gambler,  don't expect them to help you. I get it
that it depends on the occasion and reason, If a person loses money in gambling in multiple times to the point that their physical and mental health is at stake, meaning there's really  something wrong, he needs to know in himself that something is wrong and he needs to stop whatever is the reason why he is experiencing this.

[bitbollo]

It's really hard to simplify these things...we don't know who he is, we don't know what the gambler should do.
so at this point potentially anything is possible. it is obvious that I would try to finance interesting activities or at least those proposed by people with a certain reputation but, again, everything has to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.

for sure I will not make a "donation".
my donations are always sent to people in need (health issue or homeless).

[vv181]

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Precisely! You can't resolve a gambler's problem by funding or lending him a money especially if the gambler is suffering in any psychological behavior like Obsession and Addiction. If you really want to help a gambler, you can suggest them to consult in a professionals. If you continue to give money to a gambler, you just tolerate their wrongdoing especially if you notice that something is wrong with their actions.

That is the way to go. Direct them to the professional, and we should help them to be aware of their own condition, if they were not aware at first, and encourage them to the therapist. The reason I said that is because, there is a chance those who are in need of help are in denial, so they did not try to improve the situation. I believe it is a valid concern.

Contrasting with OP's thoughts, I believe this is rather more sane advice, instead of supporting, the addictions. Furthermore, if we agree that those who borrow money excessively for gambling are addicted, this will solve the root causes.

[Solosanz]

If the person was careless enough to gamble with money before, what will stop him or her from doing the same thing again? So unless that thing is a matter of life and death, I will not give a penny to such a person because they have already proven to me to be careless gamblers who don't have self-control.

What about a gambling addict that has a self harm illness? it's also relate to life and death.

They will ask you money and you refuse it because you know the money will be used for gambling, then they will threat you if you not give them money, they will cut their' vein or commit suicide. What will you do for such case? remember, asking them to stop isn't an option because they can't listen.

[ethereumhunter]

If the person was careless enough to gamble with money before, what will stop him or her from doing the same thing again? So unless that thing is a matter of life and death, I will not give a penny to such a person because they have already proven to me to be careless gamblers who don't have self-control.

What about a gambling addict that has a self harm illness? it's also relate to life and death.

They will ask you money and you refuse it because you know the money will be used for gambling, then they will threat you if you not give them money, they will cut their' vein or commit suicide. What will you do for such case? remember, asking them to stop isn't an option because they can't listen.

If that's the case, maybe we can give them a little money to use for gambling, but after that, we can ask the authorities and rehabilitation centers for help so they can come and meet the person and then help him solve the problem. This is a serious problem that can occur in people who have a very serious gambling addiction and is difficult to cure. They must be immediately taken to a rehabilitation center so that they can be treated immediately and will not cause problems for them. It may be a bit difficult to handle them because their mindset has changed and cannot be recognized anymore so this needs more serious treatment.

[Hypnosis00]

A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

The counter question is "Why we should"? Knowing the truth that he is an irresponsible gambler, he doesn't deserve support from us and from the community, he should have carried his own gambling journey alone. Could we think an irresponsible gambler would change and have the intention to do that? I don't think so. I'd rather gamble than give my money to someone that we know he can't handle and manage himself. Because after he has the money, he will forget those promises and the people who gave him.