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November 23, 2023, 04:27:01 AM
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I completely agree with you! Quoting is similar to speaking back, but with words. But, hey, let's talk about the picture-quote overload, serious eye strain, right? It's like a never-ending quote parade. In addition to posting 101, include some images and clean links. It makes the topic easier to read, and no one has to squint at a really long link. Keep everything neat and show some appreciation for the visual appeal. It would make people stay to read and even reply.

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November 23, 2023, 04:48:00 AM
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However, some members keep making the same mistake repeatedly and have chosen not to learn. There are many ways to quote a lengthy thread without repeating everything in your reply. Simply edit your post and remove the users you aren't referring to.
well said OP, I don't attend to contributions like this because its very difficult to decipher what the person is replying to and who he's referring to. For me, its just stressful to engage  and when I see such in a thread, I just skip it and continue reading other contributions cos I'm allergic to cognitive friction.

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November 23, 2023, 05:37:54 AM
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Most likely they are mobile users who are too lazy to edit the part they want to bring into the discussion,
I disagree that mobile users make up the majority of pyramid posts because, as someone who uses a phone for posting, I too am aware that pyramid posting is not ideal and I don't quote every single thread that someone posts. Mobile users who know how to quote properly are not lazy to trim their quotes.

I am not saying most mobile users are practicing this pyramid quoting style, but those who do are mostly mobile users and they feel lazy to edit the content and just go one and continue to edit the whole. Even I do use mobile for bitcointalk and sometimes I have to comment on something, when I have to I will try to edit as much as possible or just clear the whole and stay on topic or if I want to respond to the previous ones reply I just use ^ kind of symbol and like that.

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November 23, 2023, 05:38:00 AM
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Most likely they are mobile users who are too lazy to edit the part they want to bring into the discussion, just go on and quote the whole unnecessary discussions and it is a sign of spam too in my opinion.
Well Im a mobile users and dont do like this, aside from be in gn an eyesore people quoting like this are really lazy enough imagine how many layers of that would be seen. I think we bettet educate newbies about how to quote properly or at least they been aware of how to do it. Its not its prohibited but a healthy discussion is also good if seen easily and not cramped like this one.

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November 23, 2023, 06:12:09 AM
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Most likely they are mobile users who are too lazy to edit the part they want to bring into the discussion, just go on and quote the whole unnecessary discussions and it is a sign of spam too in my opinion but as far as I know, these nested quotes are not against the forum rules so they won't be deleted even if we report them but if the campaign managers pay attention then those users with low-quality posts can be denied towards paid post then we will see the changes in their actions.
Not only mobile users but I think this is due to laziness. I'm a mobile user so I don't post using quotes like this most of the time. Such posts look very awkward and nasty. I've seen in some cases even posts with lots of quotes from big legends. Only posts to which we reply should be quoted  OP brings up a very good point here OP I always applaud this discussion. I think every new member can learn something good from here. And those of us who post out of such laziness won't post anymore because our posts will look so much better.

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November 23, 2023, 06:27:14 AM
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I have only come across this type of replies in megathreads, mostly in gambling and speculation. If a person has to make this type of comment, they likely did it for a reason. There are some conversations where you have to go back to where it all started before you can understand what is being discussed. Most people do this so that anyone who enters a discussion can quickly read and understand where it all began. I don't expect a random person to jump into any argument or discussion without knowing the reasons.

Yeah, your are quite right I've seen some posts that if the first person that started the discussion is not referenced then the content of the information might not completely make any meaning. It is important for users to calm down and read carefully before quoting someone in other to know the kind of information the user is passing because if the conversation is being bridged then the reader may find it difficult to comprehend the content of the write up.

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November 23, 2023, 08:11:37 AM
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But... they're not post in this section, so the chance for them to read your post is low.

Users who're in this section most likely will not use pyramid quoting, in gambling board the moderation is low than here. So your message can't be delivered to them except you remind them in section where they mostly post.

After all they're participate in a campaign where they have an opportunity to get paid for +100 posts, it's not surprising.

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November 23, 2023, 12:33:51 PM
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Along the way, I've noticed that some members might not be learning the correct way to do various activities on the forum, particularly when it comes to quoting. Some members struggle to understand the proper way to quote, often making the mistake of quoting the wrong person.
Funny enough, my major challenge when I started making replies to people's threads was how to quote people in the right context. I remember at my initial time that I used to just hit the quote button and just start writing what was in my mind, there was an instance when i quoted rubbish and both what I wrote and the thing I quoted all came out together inside the box and it became confusing to even me that wrote the stuff. What helped me learn how to make the right quote was making use of my preview before posting any content. When I did the preview, I would then make necessary adjustments that would sink well with what I want to achieve.

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November 23, 2023, 03:19:26 PM
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A lot of members on the forum use the quote option completely unnecessarily or in an inappropriate way, without realizing how ugly their posts look from an aesthetic point of view. Some do it out of sheer ignorance because they don't understand that quoted posts can be edited very easily, and some others still think that their posts look better that way. Even in this topic, some use quotes completely unnecessarily, and what is even more tragic, they try to teach someone something about it.

@Renampun, @sokani, @DubemIfedigbo001 - do you think it makes any sense that you quoted the OP and did exactly what the OP is warning you about?

By the way, posts in which the quote option is used inappropriately can be reported to the moderators, and most of the posts that I reported were deleted.

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November 23, 2023, 03:53:06 PM
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Most likely they are mobile users who are too lazy to edit the part they want to bring into the discussion,
I disagree that mobile users make up the majority of pyramid posts because, as someone who uses a phone for posting, I too am aware that pyramid posting is not ideal and I don't quote every single thread that someone posts. Mobile users who know how to quote properly are not lazy to trim their quotes.

I am not saying most mobile users are practicing this pyramid quoting style, but those who do are mostly mobile users and they feel lazy to edit the content and just go one and continue to edit the whole. Even I do use mobile for bitcointalk and sometimes I have to comment on something, when I have to I will try to edit as much as possible or just clear the whole and stay on topic or if I want to respond to the previous ones reply I just use ^ kind of symbol and like that.
The places where I have seen much of this type of posting would be the gambling discussion thread, especially very popular ones like the premier league thread and so many other football discussion thread. Well I don't know if you can term this to mostly mobile users as I know when it comes to laziness even the users that are using PC and desktop can also be lazy as this is one of the most common trait among human beings.

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November 23, 2023, 04:06:44 PM
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I seriously didn't like it as it is just wasting time for the person who is going to scroll down and if he wants to get to its own message then it takes much time which is not good. Secondly I personally didn't want to do it because the messages that are quotes should be only that messages which are according to the use and which we we want to give reply and answer.

Mostly the newbie do that and the users mostly which are not aware of it are doing this type of mistakes. Although I hope the users who are seeing this should be very careful about it next time.

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Users who're in this section most likely will not use pyramid quoting, in gambling board the moderation is low than here. So your message can't be delivered to them except you remind them in section where they mostly post.
Some people that responded in this topic didn't properly quote so its not a bad idea to remind members every once in a while about importance of a proper quoting and avoiding pyramid quotes.


Some do it out of sheer ignorance because they don't understand that quoted posts can be edited very easily, and some others still think that their posts look better that way.
There's another reason, and that's when replying to someone who misquoted on a mobile phone as it can be a pain in the ass to delete all those unecessary replies while its like a 5 secs job on a PC. More than once I deleted everything by mistake several times in a row while replying in sucj situations, just to give up in the end, while some probably won't bother with it and will leave it as it is.

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November 23, 2023, 05:05:16 PM
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Most likely they are mobile users who are too lazy to edit the part they want to bring into the discussion,
I disagree that mobile users make up the majority of pyramid posts because, as someone who uses a phone for posting, I too am aware that pyramid posting is not ideal and I don't quote every single thread that someone posts. Mobile users who know how to quote properly are not lazy to trim their quotes.
I disagree  Smiley. As a mobile user myself, I know how it feels to use bitcointalk on a mobile. Man!!! It's not mobile friendly. Even making a simple post is hard enough let along trimming unnecessary quotes. You cannot navigate the forum without zooming in or out, unless you use third party scripts or extension to make the pages resizable. So yes, I have been there. It's not always about laziness, something it may be the difficulty that makes them not editing additional quotes. It term of computer, its much much easy to copy, paste, edit, delete and repeat. 

But yes, if you talk about gambling section, there is no doubt's about what you said is 100% true. Most of these pyramid is in gambling and locals, where rules aren't followed that much.

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This counts as unnecessary quoting which the OP is talking about.

So yes, I have been there. It's not always about laziness, something it may be the difficulty that makes them not editing additional quotes. It term of computer, its much much easy to copy, paste, edit, delete and repeat. 
I have been there too. I use mobile every now and again when I am on the road. The forum is not mobile friendly but anyone who does not want to quote excessively will only be taking out a little of their time to trim down quotes. Worth the effort to keep a thread readable.

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November 23, 2023, 07:20:09 PM
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I completely agree with you! Quoting is similar to speaking back, but with words. But, hey, let's talk about the picture-quote overload, serious eye strain, right? It's like a never-ending quote parade. In addition to posting 101, include some images and clean links. It makes the topic easier to read, and no one has to squint at a really long link. Keep everything neat and show some appreciation for the visual appeal. It would make people stay to read and even reply.

Yeah, I agree with you. Posts with huge pictures make it hard to navigate the topic too. This is most likely because few people know the BB code to control the size of the picture or just because they are too lazy to edit the link to the picture.

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November 23, 2023, 08:09:05 PM
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Since joining this forum, I've always been keen on learning new things from the more experienced members. This approach has taken me a long way. learning from them the right way on how to navigate the forum.

Along the way, I've noticed that some members might not be learning the correct way to do various activities on the forum, particularly when it comes to quoting. Some members struggle to understand the proper way to quote, often making the mistake of quoting the wrong person. The forum's quote button is designed to mention the specific member you've added to your quote. I've come across many discussions on how to quote properly to avoid mistakes like this.
This is one of the earliest mistakes and most common mistakes that most users without a forum experience make in their earlier days on the forum. It is a conscious unconscious mistake that requires serious effort to avoid. And as you get better or older on the forum you divert to other quoting formats such as "~snip~", <...>. These are the commonest variants that I have seen. Another common mistake is quote without removing the picture or pictures from the quote.

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November 23, 2023, 08:18:28 PM
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Yeah, I agree with you. Posts with huge pictures make it hard to navigate the topic too. This is most likely because few people know the BB code to control the size of the picture or just because they are too lazy to edit the link to the picture.
I must admit that I also posted big images several times. Resizing image with bbcode when you're on mobile is damn difficult. Usually I struggle until I find right numbers in code that image would look appropriate.
But you know what is worse than large images? Huge images included in pyramid quotes...

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Yeah, I agree with you. Posts with huge pictures make it hard to navigate the topic too. This is most likely because few people know the BB code to control the size of the picture or just because they are too lazy to edit the link to the picture.
I must admit that I also posted big images several times. Resizing image with bbcode when you're on mobile is damn difficult. Usually I struggle until I find right numbers in code that image would look appropriate.

In my opinion, adding one word to the "image" tag, adding an equals sign and entering a number is not that hard even on a smartphone. If only there was a desire, as they say Wink It's not like editing a post with a lot of quotes. Although I do both quite often on a smartphone with a 6.9 inch screen size.

Here, for example, are a couple of posts I edited on a smartphone - first and second. In the second post I have also had to insert a table as well.

But you know what is worse than large images? Huge images included in pyramid quotes...

Well, you are already describing an extreme situation Smiley

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For those using the Telegram bot, this can be annoying when you're mentioned unnecessarily, and keep getting notifications even if you're not involved in the current discussion. I personally urge all members, not just the newbies but also those who are guilty of this, to stop and learn the proper way to quote a post.
Honestly, I am among those bothered by this because these notifications come to me through the SuperNotifier bot due to many pyramid quotes. When I check one of these notifications, I find that my account and many members not intended within these quotes have been mentioned. Afterward, I ask myself, to whom is this person addressing his post, which includes all these quotes? Therefore, his contribution became worthless and may even become spam and off-topic. Therefore, this topic is good for beginners or anyone still unknowingly engaging in these annoying quotes. We all started as beginners and made mistakes when joining the forum. However, learning from mistakes enhances the quality of posts and makes members understand forum posts.

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This has been discussed on the forum many times. But I regret to see that users are not learning. Especially those who joined for earning from the forum, they really don't care about this kind of stuff. Pyramid quotes look spammy throughout the whole thread. Spammers don't know how to quote a line where they need a specific answer or discussion. Pyramid quote discourages reading the reply.

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