Wasabi Wallet - Open Source, Noncustodial Coinjoin Software

[Wind_FURY]

So you're saying the data is not real-time?

When an input registers, a query with that input's address is sent to an analysis company in real time.  The analysis company replies with a risk category associated with that address (e.g. credit card fraud), if there one was reported for that address?

I'm merely curious how many of the total inputs are rejected by the coordinator annually. Would you be allowed to give the public that information? Or you can just give everyone reading through the topic an estimated percentage.

they should have some kind of notification to update their database, no? If not trigger it automatically?

If an address is blocked for suspicious activity, the ban lasts for 30 days.  If there was an update to the database that cleared that address of a false positive flag, they would be able to coinjoin it then.

I like that, and that would be fair for the users. I believe zkSNACKS should start a forum to give users a place where they could refute false positives.

That would probably be a good source of data for both Wasabi and the blockchain analytics company to improve your/their services.

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[Kruw]

I'm merely curious how many of the total inputs are rejected by the coordinator annually. Would you be allowed to give the public that information? Or you can just give everyone reading through the topic an estimated percentage.

I don't have access to that information.

I like that, and that would be fair for the users. I believe zkSNACKS should start a forum to give users a place where they could refute false positives.

That would probably be a good source of data for both Wasabi and the blockchain analytics company to improve your/their services.

If you experience a blacklisting rejection on coins from a reputable source or service, you can create an issue on Github to report a false positive flag.

[ABCbits]

Onion link: http://wasabiukrxmkdgve5kynjztuovbg43uxcbcxn6y2okcrsg7gb6jdmbad.onion/

I wanted to check old blog post, so i visit that onion link and choose "BLOG" which redirect me to https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/. But it surprise me that link show me message "403 Forbidden Access to this resource on the server is denied!". I don't mind redirection to clearnet, but i expect they configure their website to explicitly allow Tor visitor.

[bitmover]

I came accross this thread as it was mentioned by icopress and Poker Player.


I immediately found a quote, which was originally written in 1993 by Eric Hughes in the CypherPunk Manifesto (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5175676.0) and no credit was given, making it looks like it was created by wasabiwallet team

Privacy is your ability to selectively reveal yourself to the world. - wasabiwallet.io

I think you should give the proper credit.

A Cypherpunk's Manifesto
by Eric Hughes
Privacy is necessary for an open society in the electronic age. Privacy is not secrecy. A private matter is something one doesn't want the whole world to know, but a secret matter is something one doesn't want anybody to know. Privacy is the power to selectively reveal oneself to the world.
https://www.activism.net/cypherpunk/manifesto.html

[Kruw]

I wanted to check old blog post, so i visit that onion link and choose "BLOG" which redirect me to https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/. But it surprise me that link show me message "403 Forbidden Access to this resource on the server is denied!". I don't mind redirection to clearnet, but i expect they configure their website to explicitly allow Tor visitor.

Thank you for reporting this issue!  The site maintainers are working on fixing it.

I came accross this thread as it was mentioned by icopress and Poker Player.


I immediately found a quote, which was originally written in 1993 by Eric Hughes in the CypherPunk Manifesto (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5175676.0) and no credit was given, making it looks like it was created by wasabiwallet team

Privacy is your ability to selectively reveal yourself to the world. - wasabiwallet.io

I think you should give the proper credit.

A Cypherpunk's Manifesto
by Eric Hughes
Privacy is necessary for an open society in the electronic age. Privacy is not secrecy. A private matter is something one doesn't want the whole world to know, but a secret matter is something one doesn't want anybody to know. Privacy is the power to selectively reveal oneself to the world.
https://www.activism.net/cypherpunk/manifesto.html

Thank you for reporting, I had not realized there was an earlier origin for the quote!

[Kruw]

I wanted to check old blog post, so i visit that onion link and choose "BLOG" which redirect me to https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/. But it surprise me that link show me message "403 Forbidden Access to this resource on the server is denied!". I don't mind redirection to clearnet, but i expect they configure their website to explicitly allow Tor visitor.

Thank you for reporting this issue!  The site maintainers are working on fixing it.

This has now been fixed.  @ABCbits, let me know if you have any issues, I got a 403 error on one attempt, but refreshing the page made it go away.

[kayirigi]

Thank you for reporting, I had not realized there was an earlier origin for the quote!

LOL. LARPs as big defender of privacy but hasn't even heard of Cypherpunk's Manifesto!

Super example of Wasabi team. No idea what they talk about. No idea about privacy. Just want to make profit by spying on you.

[Kruw]

I wrote a blog post for Wasabi explaining the DoS protection and fee savings features - https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/dos-fortification-and-coinjoin-time-preference/

[bitmover]

Hello.

I would certainly  use an android app of wasabi wallet.

Is there any release date for a possible mobile app? I think mobile users are many, and allow users to use wasabi in the phone would be very good.

[ABCbits]

I wanted to check old blog post, so i visit that onion link and choose "BLOG" which redirect me to https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/. But it surprise me that link show me message "403 Forbidden Access to this resource on the server is denied!". I don't mind redirection to clearnet, but i expect they configure their website to explicitly allow Tor visitor.

Thank you for reporting this issue!  The site maintainers are working on fixing it.

This has now been fixed.  @ABCbits, let me know if you have any issues, I got a 403 error on one attempt, but refreshing the page made it go away.

Sorry i didn't notice your reply. Anyway, i can confirm i can access the blog from Tor Browser without encounter 403 most of the times.

Hello.

I would certainly  use an android app of wasabi wallet.

Is there any release date for a possible mobile app? I think mobile users are many, and allow users to use wasabi in the phone would be very good.

This FAQ answer your question, although i recall it's created few years ago.

Is there an Android/iOs version?

No, Wasabi and CoinJoin features require considerable computational power, not currently replicable on a smartphone.

[Kruw]

I would certainly  use an android app of wasabi wallet.

Is there any release date for a possible mobile app? I think mobile users are many, and allow users to use wasabi in the phone would be very good.

A mobile app is on the roadmap, but it's not currently in the building stage yet. A lot of code maintenance was completed to make it easier to implement though.

This FAQ answer your question, although i recall it's created few years ago.

Is there an Android/iOs version?

No, Wasabi and CoinJoin features require considerable computational power, not currently replicable on a smartphone.

One short term option is to launch a mobile Wasabi app that connects to your Wasabi desktop running at home, similar to how Zeus used to only work as a mobile interface for your remote Lightning node.

[Wind_FURY]

I would certainly  use an android app of wasabi wallet.

Is there any release date for a possible mobile app? I think mobile users are many, and allow users to use wasabi in the phone would be very good.

A mobile app is on the roadmap, but it's not currently in the building stage yet. A lot of code maintenance was completed to make it easier to implement though.

This FAQ answer your question, although i recall it's created few years ago.

Is there an Android/iOs version?

No, Wasabi and CoinJoin features require considerable computational power, not currently replicable on a smartphone.

One short term option is to launch a mobile Wasabi app that connects to your Wasabi desktop running at home, similar to how Zeus used to only work as a mobile interface for your remote Lightning node.

When was that comment about smartphones originally made, and how have smartphones of today have become more powerful since the original announcement? I believe some smartphone hardware might be starting to reach the capability of what some software requires of it to function like a desktop, no?

Although the smartphone's OS could be limiting, especially Apple's smartphones.

[ABCbits]

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When was that comment about smartphones originally made, and how have smartphones of today have become more powerful since the original announcement? I believe some smartphone hardware might be starting to reach the capability of what some software requires of it to function like a desktop, no?

Although the smartphone's OS could be limiting, especially Apple's smartphones.

While it's true smartphone hardware become more powerful, it's not the only limitation. Theoretically, Wasabi Wallet need to run in background while connected to the CoinJoin coordinator and doing some stuff (choose input, sign transaction, etc.). And since Wasabi Wallet use Tor by default, Tor also need to run in background. I expect it could drain battery quickly and the OS show warning about it. CMIIW.

[icopress]

While it's true smartphone hardware become more powerful, it's not the only limitation. Theoretically, Wasabi Wallet need to run in background while connected to the CoinJoin coordinator and doing some stuff (choose input, sign transaction, etc.). And since Wasabi Wallet use Tor by default, Tor also need to run in background. I expect it could drain battery quickly and the OS show warning about it. CMIIW.

What if, when you first launch the application, you can prompt the user to select by default what type of connection will be used to connect (for example, only Wifi). I know that this can be done in the phone settings, but few people worry about it.

And the mobile Internet will be used “only when using the application.” My point is that if the mobile Internet is not used to work in the background, then this will not affect the battery drain in any way.

Although, to be honest, I'm not sure how to implement this. 

[ABCbits]

While it's true smartphone hardware become more powerful, it's not the only limitation. Theoretically, Wasabi Wallet need to run in background while connected to the CoinJoin coordinator and doing some stuff (choose input, sign transaction, etc.). And since Wasabi Wallet use Tor by default, Tor also need to run in background. I expect it could drain battery quickly and the OS show warning about it. CMIIW.

What if, when you first launch the application, you can prompt the user to select by default what type of connection will be used to connect (for example, only Wifi). I know that this can be done in the phone settings, but few people worry about it.

And the mobile Internet will be used “only when using the application.” My point is that if the mobile Internet is not used to work in the background, then this will not affect the battery drain in any way.

Although, to be honest, I'm not sure how to implement this. 

It's decent idea, phone usually use more battery when there's no strong mobile signal. I don't know how it can be implemented either, but i believe Wasabi team have sufficient technical skill to do that. Although i wonder how much battery can be saved when you use Wifi rather than mobile internet.

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It's decent idea, phone usually use more battery when there's no strong mobile signal. I don't know how it can be implemented either, but i believe Wasabi team have sufficient technical skill to do that. Although i wonder how much battery can be saved when you use Wifi rather than mobile internet.

This option exists, but not so much to save the battery, but when it comes to updating applications, and the purpose is to avoid downloading too large files over the mobile Internet because these are often limited ^{by mobile providers} with such data consumption.

As far as I know, multimedia is the biggest drainer of the battery, and in the mentioned Wasabi case, it would only be text communication, so that part should not be a problem for battery capacity. For the application, I assume that some kind of customized Tor bridge could do something like this with minimum requirements.

[Kruw]

The new version of Wasabi Wallet is in the final stages of development, you can test the release candidate here - https://github.com/adamPetho/WalletWasabi/releases/tag/v2.0.6-RC4

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The new version of Wasabi Wallet is in the final stages of development, you can test the release candidate here - https://github.com/adamPetho/WalletWasabi/releases/tag/v2.0.6-RC4

Apart from this, there is nothing more precise or a log about what changes the new update brings? "Many more cool improvements" can mean anything

Release Highlights
Super-fast start up time 🚀
RPC improvements 🤖
UI improvements ✨
Avalonia update 🆙
Bug fixes 🐞
Blockstream Jade integration 🛠️
BitBox implementation 🛠️
Many more cool improvements 😎

[Kruw]

Apart from this, there is nothing more precise or a log about what changes the new update brings? "Many more cool improvements" can mean anything

There will be several blog posts explaining the improvements in this version. There's a lot of of subtle behavior changes that make the wallet "smarter" about when to coinjoin and when not to coinjoin, performance improvements so there's less loading and less CPU/GPU consumption, UI polish, and codebase cleanup that will make future development more productive.

[examplens]

There will be several blog posts explaining the improvements in this version. There's a lot of of subtle behavior changes that make the wallet "smarter" about when to coinjoin and when not to coinjoin, performance improvements so there's less loading and less CPU/GPU consumption, UI polish, and codebase cleanup that will make future development more productive.

I believe that it will be in the future, but I prefer to see all the changes brought by an update before I accept it. Regardless of the type of software, each new update brings a certain type of risk because it has not been fully tested in live use.