Wasabi Wallet - Open Source, Noncustodial Coinjoin Software

[BlackHatCoiner]

Why didn’t you warn people about the thousands of red flags with ChipMixer, Whirlwind, MyCryptoMixer, Sinbad, YoMix, UniJoin, Tumbler io?

What thousands of red flags? Lol. ChipMixer was the most decent mixer until it was confiscated by the authorities. Whirlwind suddenly stopped operating and every user who deposited, got refunded. As for custody of the coins, I have warned every single time that you're putting trust that it won't take the users' coins and disappear, and that it is not a honeypot. If you're OK under these terms, then what's the problem?

How many users were rugpulled because trusted members of the bitcointalk community recommended these scams?

Am I now representing the "trusted members of Bitcointalk" as a whole? If you want to accuse me, let me know in the Reputation board. I'm personally sleeping easy knowing that I've always clarified the potential events that might occur when you forfeit custody of your coins.

[PrivacyG]

But I thought Wasabi was so keen on working with the proper Blockchain Analysis company to block any sort of criminal funds coming or going through their beloved Wasabi Wallet Coin Joins.  Why are they backing out now?  I understand they were lying all along and were never actually protecting us from receiving Tainted Bitcoin as Kruw kept stating over and over like a talking parrot?  Because why shut down in fear if you are licking every inch of the boots of regulators and Governments?  You should be fine, correct?

Now all these accusations Kruw kept spitting out are looking absolutely ridiculous in the light of zkSNACKs shutting down.  Kruw throwing darts at all the Privacy Enhancing Services that shut down, then zkSNACKs announcing a shut down themselves.  Makes you look like such a nice and sincere guy, Kruw!

Since zkSNACKs is shutting down, who is willing to risk, start and run a new coordinator?  Wasabi got in bed with our enemy so they could save their own ass.  Now they are kneeling completely to the enemy and shutting down YET AGAIN to save their own ass.  Kruw keeps praising Wasabi still.  Who is the first Wasabi can laugh their ass off about for deciding to risk running a coordinator now and having the United States throw pointy darts at?

Yet Wasabi calls themselves saviors of Bitcoin fungibility.

Hey, Kruw.  I have a question for you.  Now that you accuse EVERY SINGLE Privacy solution other than Wasabi of being scammers for either quitting on us or 'permanently destroying the Privacy of their customers'.  How does the average Wasabi user continue to keep their very private Wasabi Coin Joined UTXOs private after the first of June?  Since probably over 95 to 99 percent of the Wasabi Coin Joiners used zkSNACKs as their coordinator, what do the people who do not want to trust and use any other coordinator do to preserve their Privacy?

Or is their Privacy going to be ruined as well now, just like the situation of all the other customers of the Services you are accusing, considering according to your statement this was the only real Privacy tool for Bitcoin?  Because without continuously cycling through Wasabi Coin Joins and giving you a percentage for it just so you could laugh in our face and sleep with the enemy again, how do we keep a UTXO Private?

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The privacy policy you quoted quite explicitly declares that some data is collected by the service (ironically the part you bolded)

What could of been a simple statement about NOT collecting ANY kind of information was written instead as a very double edged Privacy Policy.  On one hand they say the collected information is safe and inaccessible.  On the other hand they say they ONLY process data essential to provide their Services.

TRUSTLESS, everybody!

we cannot link Your wallet and Your personal information (such as Your name and IP address) provided under the Service, Your personal information is safe and cannot be accessed by our staff or third parties.

We will only process data which are essential to provide our Services. Data will not be used or stored by other means than set out in this document and are made accessible only to a restricted and necessary number of persons.

[Kruw]

Since zkSNACKs is shutting down, who is willing to risk, start and run a new coordinator?

I'm running one. Where's your coordinator, pussy?

No it wasn't, I run my own coordinator. You can connect to it by adding this line to your Wasabi config file:

"MainNetCoordinatorUri": "https://btcpay.kruw.io/plugins/wabisabi-coordinator/",

Hey, Kruw.  I have a question for you.  Now that you accuse EVERY SINGLE Privacy solution other than Wasabi of being scammers for either quitting on us or 'permanently destroying the Privacy of their customers'.  How does the average Wasabi user continue to keep their very private Wasabi Coin Joined UTXOs private after the first of June?

They can use your coinjoin coordinator. Can you remind me how to connect to your coinjoin coordinator, PrivacyG?

[PrivacyG]

I'm running one. Where's your coordinator, pussy?

Is your coordinator refusing certain UTXOs from registering to Coin Joins?

[Kruw]

Is your coordinator refusing certain UTXOs from registering to Coin Joins?

No, is yours? Wait, don't tell me... YOU'RE TOO MUCH OF A PUSSY TO RUN ONE??? 

[PrivacyG]

Is your coordinator refusing certain UTXOs from registering to Coin Joins?

No, is yours?

So you are going to allow SAM BANKMAN-FRIED to USE your coordinator if he wanted to Coin Join stolen FTX funds?  I thought you said otherwise here Kruw where you justified why zkSNACKs working with Blockchain Analysis was for the greater good,

As a coinjoin coordinator, would you deny service to Sam Bankman Fried if he wanted to coinjoin stolen FTX funds?  Or would you make his stolen coins private instead?

Source, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5286821.msg62072923#msg62072923

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Would you help Sam hide stolen money from the victims, Kruw?

Why would you help Sam hide the stolen money from his victims?

Source, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5286821.msg62074164#msg62074164

I mean.  In the same post you even said MINERS should apply Censorship to stop criminals!

Sure, I'll approach it from the base layer:  As a miner, would you deny service to Sam Bankman Fried if he wanted to coinjoin stolen FTX funds?  Or would you make his stolen coins private instead?

Source, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5286821.msg62074164#msg62074164

Why are you NOT applying Censorship then?  Or is this another lie of yours, just like all the others we all got to unveil in the past?

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I do not know how to post quotes from locked topics so if any body could PM me with a guide I would be grateful.  I saw one around a while ago but can not find it any more.

[Kruw]

I do not know how to post quotes from locked topics so if any body could PM me with a guide I would be grateful.  I saw one around a while ago but can not find it any more.

Here's the guide you need: https://docs.btcpayserver.org/Wabisabi/#running-a-coordinator

Let me know when you are done setting up your coordinator and I'll help you test it.

[PrivacyG]

Here's the guide you need: https://docs.btcpayserver.org/Wabisabi/#running-a-coordinator

Let me know when you are done setting up your coordinator and I'll help you test it.

You replied completely off the topic of my post.  I never asked about a guide for running my own coordinator.  Are you spamming now?

I want an answer. Why you are justifying zkSNACKs Censorship while deciding to not apply Censorship on your own coordinator?

What are you afraid of?  Answer, pussy!

[Dont Trust Verify]

Why didn’t you warn people about the thousands of red flags with ChipMixer, Whirlwind, MyCryptoMixer, Sinbad, YoMix, UniJoin, Tumbler io?

What thousands of red flags? Lol. ChipMixer was the most decent mixer until it was confiscated by the authorities. Whirlwind suddenly stopped operating and every user who deposited, got refunded. As for custody of the coins, I have warned every single time that you're putting trust that it won't take the users' coins and disappear, and that it is not a honeypot. If you're OK under these terms, then what's the problem?

How many users were rugpulled because trusted members of the bitcointalk community recommended these scams?

Am I now representing the "trusted members of Bitcointalk" as a whole? If you want to accuse me, let me know in the Reputation board. I'm personally sleeping easy knowing that I've always clarified the potential events that might occur when you forfeit custody of your coins.

Everybody already knows you can lose funds in custodial mixers, you would have to be a moron not to know this. Just because you disclosed this already known fact doesn’t absolve you from using your reputation to legitimize scams. Users of the Whirlwind scam only got refunded because there was some funds left in escrow which they hadn’t taken back yet. We don’t know how many victims didn’t ask for a refund for fear of being deanonymized. If anybody got rugged for an amount greater than what was in escrow they got completely screwed over.

You can try to revise history and use whatever euphemisms for exit scam but you’ve already admitted it was a scam and that you were part of it. Most scammers sleep easy, you’re not the only one. It just means your greed is greater than your integrity.

[Kruw]

I never asked about a guide for running my own coordinator.

Why aren't you running your own coordinator? Do you just not care about privacy enough?

Just because you disclosed this already known fact doesn’t absolve you from using your reputation to legitimize scams.

Exactly. BlackHatCoiner is just Roger Ver: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP1YsMlrfF0

You can try to revise history and use whatever euphemisms for exit scam but you’ve already admitted it was a scam and that you were part of it. Most scammers sleep easy, you’re not the only one. It just means your greed is greater than your integrity.

100% accurate. BlackHatCoiner has a lot of money to pay back to the victims of his scams, he made a lot of money from promoting them.

[BlackHatCoiner]

Users of the Whirlwind scam only got refunded because there was some funds left in escrow which they hadn’t taken back yet.

Nice. We went from "scammers" to "hadn't withdrawn their escrow money yet". Users got refunded, because Whirlwind expected such incidents to occur. And even if they didn't, scammers don't leave $40k as escrow, in case shit hits the fan.

We don’t know how many victims didn’t ask for a refund for fear of being deanonymized

You could accept a refund anonymously.

You can try to revise history and use whatever euphemisms for exit scam but you’ve already admitted it was a scam and that you were part of it

It feels awful when you promote a service which is turned down by the government, but it is even more awful if that service turns out to be a scam. However, I think I had made that post under the impression they took the users' money and left, whereas I later realized that the campaign manager could cover potential losses, which is something that never happens on an exit scam.

Has any Wasabi shill read the discussion made after that post of mine, or are you just trying to make me look bad deliberately?

100% accurate. BlackHatCoiner has a lot of money to pay back to the victims of his scams, he made a lot of money from promoting them.

Gather your evidence and make an accusation, then: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0.

[Kruw]

It feels awful when you promote a service which is turned down by the government, but it is even more awful if that service turns out to be a scam. However, I think I had made that post under the impression they took the users' money and left, whereas I later realized that the campaign manager could cover potential losses, which is something that never happens on an exit scam.

Remember that you also promoted the ChipMixer scam as well.

[Dont Trust Verify]

Users got refunded, because Whirlwind expected such incidents to occur. And even if they didn't, scammers don't leave $40k as escrow, in case shit hits the fan.

Considering how much money goes through mixers, $40k was a drop in the bucket. When you look at scam accusations made against mixers, it is usually whale amounts worth multiple BTC that get stolen. The price of Bitcoin has appreciated significantly so the $14k DAI remaining in the fund probably won’t be nearly enough to cover the losses from somebody making a late claim.

Giving users a false sense of trust with the escrow was a nice tactic to lure in potential victims. From the looks of it, they actually succeeded. The address used to pool deposits grew from 3 BTC to over 13 BTC. Doing some rough math, they spent less than 3 BTC in their signature campaign. They would’ve made ~7 BTC in profit from their scam but it might be greater if they were withdrawing smaller amounts from the pool before they rugpulled.

You could accept a refund anonymously.

This still exposes your deposit address in the letter of guarantee. The campaign manager could potentially figure out if your deposited funds were involved in illegal activity and tell law enforcement to track the refund address.

It feels awful when you promote a service which is turned down by the government, but it is even more awful if that service turns out to be a scam. However, I think I had made that post under the impression they took the users' money and left, whereas I later realized that the campaign manager could cover potential losses, which is something that never happens on an exit scam.

Has any Wasabi shill read the discussion made after that post of mine, or are you just trying to make me look bad deliberately?

Your initial impression was correct. They walked off with hundreds of thousands of dollars. You made yourself look bad with your complicity.

[BlackHatCoiner]

The address used to pool deposits grew from 3 BTC to over 13 BTC.

I may be wrong, but I see about the same amounts being deposited and withdrawn before and after their departure, which was early August 2023, if I recall correctly.

This is their address: bc1qf8h5k6sash8007vpesymxkw2xsg5d0r3j4l5vmcrwpz2pqu66fjstzgd3r. Their last withdrawal before they stop processing payments happened in 9th of August 2023, in 96f687580d2ddec4328b9fca8aff8edda74c0f7de16b8be2da81413545308de3, correct? You're right that according to their last consolidations which happened in February 2024, as we can see, they are quite high in value, but how confident are we that these are customers' funds? If you check the history of that address, you can see that it was having more than just 7. The address was having more than 9 for some time, and people were withdrawing frequently, the address' balance was going up and down.

It would seem an exit scam, if there was a transaction in which they received 10 bitcoin, as an example, and then immediately stopped processing payments. But, this didn't happen. What's the evidence that their pool grew from 3 to 13?

This still exposes your deposit address in the letter of guarantee. The campaign manager could potentially figure out if your deposited funds were involved in illegal activity and tell law enforcement to track the refund address.

So, you would have trusted a service which turned out to be "scam", but you would hesitate contacting a trustworthy campaign manager. Got it.

[PrivacyG]

Why aren't you running your own coordinator? Do you just not care about privacy enough?

Considering you are not Censoring any UTXO, you are going to allow SAM BANKMAN-FRIED to USE your coordinator if he wanted to Coin Join stolen FTX funds?!!?!?!?!

[Kruw]

MASSIVE coinjoins are happening with huge volumes:

387 BTC - https://mempool.space/tx/0375655aa7b30074bd4a2c3b174c3b5db6745ec8b5fc94eccb926615223f1d14
368 BTC - https://mempool.space/tx/49645b71f9e2b538a7dd240f0b1a02e3e264b783feb2d496b839359e50abf649

11,000 private Bitcoins are now on the blockchain. Let's fucking go:

[NotATether]

Considering you are not Censoring any UTXO, you are going to allow SAM BANKMAN-FRIED to USE your coordinator if he wanted to Coin Join stolen FTX funds?!!?!?!?!

You might be interested to know that Scum Bankman-Fried's brother is among those who is helping write anti-crypto legislation recently.

(to Kruw: that not only includes mixers, but also coordinators like yours.)

[Kruw]

NotATether, aren't you running a coinjoin coordinator?

[Kruw]

500 BTC whale making a splash in this coinjoin: https://mempool.space/tx/7c5ccff9f4755b2d15c0e342fa93003c4bd5da65a1bebd198de1f41cf9fc294b

[PrivacyG]

You might be interested to know that Scum Bankman-Fried's brother is among those who is helping write anti-crypto legislation recently.

(to Kruw: that not only includes mixers, but also coordinators like yours.)

It seems like Kruw is busier with earning that commission off Coin Joins than listening to the Law like a good boy he used to be.  The butt kissing between Kruw and the Government seems to be over now that Wasabi feels threatened, so he is going to go against his own words and will help Coin Join illicit Money!  Kruw from a few months ago would of called me a big time Scammer had I ran my own Uncensored Coordinator.

On a side note.  Who is actually going to use Wasabi any more now that the main Coordinator is going to die and the only options for Coordinators are probably so much more prone to all sorts of attacks for de Anonymization, considering they will likely have low Bitcoin amounts per round?