How to self exclude from anonymous gambling sites

[Unbunplease]

Many of us have experienced experiences like yours where we mistyped the betting money, which caused us to experience a bigger loss than we expected. But it has all happened, and we can't do anything about it or even try to recover from that loss. That could make some gamblers think about activating the self-exclusion feature so they can't use more money. But some people type the wrong amount of money that they want to exclude from those who originally only wanted to write down half of the total amount of money they had, but instead, they wrote down all the money. But if the person has strong self-control, he doesn't need to activate the self-exclusion feature because he can control himself when gambling and can also manage the amount of money for gambling. He also won't lose much money because he always uses small bets whenever he gambles.

Of course, limiting the size of bets and the maximum amount you can lose is quite important, but simply not allowing casinos to give credits is enough. Then it will be impossible to win more than the player's balance. And restrictions sometimes due to software and other errors can simply not work

[redsun114]

many of us do save through keeping it on our hardware wallets because we think that it is necessary and at the same time, we just simply feel lazy if there's a need to deposit it to a casino.

So any amount that goes to your HW then consider it as there forever and you're not going to touch it to any use until you have to and you desperately not lazy anymore.  

There is no need for any trick in doing this. We only need to be savvy with our money.

I don't know but I feel differently. I believe that a person who gets addicted to gambling can go to any extent only to be able to gamble. Imagine, if a person can become ready to commit crimes only to get money for their gambling activities, can't they use their own money from their hard wallet? However, if the person has just started gambling and they feel that they are getting addicted to it, maybe this trick can work for them to limit their gambling.

An addicted person can use one way so that they don't gamble their money away. They should give them to someone trusted and close to them who will keep the money with them, and they should strictly avoid giving them money for gambling, they should pay for things that the person wants to buy or spend money on but not on gambling.

[Hamphser]

many of us do save through keeping it on our hardware wallets because we think that it is necessary and at the same time, we just simply feel lazy if there's a need to deposit it to a casino.

So any amount that goes to your HW then consider it as there forever and you're not going to touch it to any use until you have to and you desperately not lazy anymore.  

There is no need for any trick in doing this. We only need to be savvy with our money.

I don't know but I feel differently. I believe that a person who gets addicted to gambling can go to any extent only to be able to gamble. Imagine, if a person can become ready to commit crimes only to get money for their gambling activities, can't they use their own money from their hard wallet? However, if the person has just started gambling and they feel that they are getting addicted to it, maybe this trick can work for them to limit their gambling.

An addicted person can use one way so that they don't gamble their money away. They should give them to someone trusted and close to them who will keep the money with them, and they should strictly avoid giving them money for gambling, they should pay for things that the person wants to buy or spend money on but not on gambling.

Really depends on how severe or light the addiction is, because we know that if it would really be that severe then it would really be normal that someone would really be finding ways for them to deal up with gambling as soon as possible on which even if he had made out some self exclusions or locked up funds into those methods then he would definitely just finding other method or ways whether taking up some loan or borrowing as long he could be able to feed up his addiction and this is something that would really be so hard to be stopped. This is why it would be always best that self control and awareness of your actions would be always important or crucial.

If you are planning to have those self exclusion then its good if you do able to make yourself that stop, continue that and you might be able to stop completely or having that long break.
When addiction is really that severe then just like i said earlier it would really be that a challenge for someone to be able to do such action because
fighting addiction is really that too damn hard but its not impossible as long you are really that serious on doing it.

[ethereumhunter]

This is for sure that you definitely need to enable self-control during any of your payments. 
Otherwise, there is a high probability of paying something incorrectly.  Or even send the payment somewhere completely different from where it should have been sent.  And I think that only people for whom the accounting profession is well suited are such scrupulous payers.  Such people will check and recheck everything ten times before sending a payment.  But among the general mass of players there are very few such people.  And therefore, I think that almost any player must have made a mistake several times in his life when he paid somewhere and even probably lost his money simply because of his inattention and sloppiness. 
But this is forgivable; after all, he apparently is not at all fit to be an accountant. 

That's why before we place a bet, we have to check everything before pressing the button. And there's no harm in being more thorough to avoid mistakes that have happened to many gamblers.

But if we use the self-exclusion feature on a casino site, anonymous casino or other casino, it requires good self-control so that we don't deposit other amounts of money into our account at another casino. If not, it won't help at all because we are still gambling. If we really want to take a break from gambling, we should be able to refrain from visiting any casinos and maybe keeping ourselves busy would be a better thing to do.

And there are indeed people who need this self-exclusion feature. They consider this feature to be very important for them in limiting themselves from gambling for some time.

Of course, limiting the size of bets and the maximum amount you can lose is quite important, but simply not allowing casinos to give credits is enough. Then it will be impossible to win more than the player's balance. And restrictions sometimes due to software and other errors can simply not work

Some people can win more than their money balance. It was the luck that a lucky gambler earned. We won't be able to get it as easily as the gambler because our luck will also be different. However, the purpose of the self-exclusion feature is to limit one person's gambling activities temporarily. This will be useful and really help someone who really wants to avoid gambling. But if he is tempted to gamble at other casinos, self-exclusion will not help him to avoid gambling.

[delfastTions]

This is for sure that you definitely need to enable self-control during any of your payments. 
Otherwise, there is a high probability of paying something incorrectly.  Or even send the payment somewhere completely different from where it should have been sent.  And I think that only people for whom the accounting profession is well suited are such scrupulous payers.  Such people will check and recheck everything ten times before sending a payment.  But among the general mass of players there are very few such people.  And therefore, I think that almost any player must have made a mistake several times in his life when he paid somewhere and even probably lost his money simply because of his inattention and sloppiness. 
But this is forgivable; after all, he apparently is not at all fit to be an accountant. 

That's why before we place a bet, we have to check everything before pressing the button. And there's no harm in being more thorough to avoid mistakes that have happened to many gamblers.

But if we use the self-exclusion feature on a casino site, anonymous casino or other casino, it requires good self-control so that we don't deposit other amounts of money into our account at another casino. If not, it won't help at all because we are still gambling. If we really want to take a break from gambling, we should be able to refrain from visiting any casinos and maybe keeping ourselves busy would be a better thing to do.

And there are indeed people who need this self-exclusion feature. They consider this feature to be very important for them in limiting themselves from gambling for some time.

It's quite easy to advise the player when he takes your advice and actually stops a little in the game and comes to his senses and judges everything logically.  However, if a person is euphoric from the game, he is passionate and has almost no control over his actions, being completely immersed in the game, then your advice will simply be ignored. 
This is most likely what will happen.  Well, you should keep in mind that people differ quite greatly in character, willpower, and passion for the game.  Apparently, during the game, everyone produces different amounts of adrenaline in their body and, accordingly, human behavior is also very different. 

In short, the function of self-exclusion from the game cannot be implemented for all players. 
Sometimes it just doesn't work out.

[cafter]

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this feature is helpful when the players or gamblers family member know about it and the gambler realizes that gambling is causing them problems.
also it doesn't works if the gambler want to play after losing big and doesn't told anyone about it and play secretly then he will ignore the advice.
but after losing a significant amount in one session he gets angry at gambling and think i will never gambler for some hours to day in that phase he can click the self exclusion button or self exclude himself.
but after somedays he get hope that he can win in gambling and start to take more debt or deposit more money in the account.

[EarnOnVictor]

Many of us have experienced experiences like yours where we mistyped the betting money, which caused us to experience a bigger loss than we expected. But it has all happened, and we can't do anything about it or even try to recover from that loss. That could make some gamblers think about activating the self-exclusion feature so they can't use more money. But some people type the wrong amount of money that they want to exclude from those who originally only wanted to write down half of the total amount of money they had, but instead, they wrote down all the money. But if the person has strong self-control, he doesn't need to activate the self-exclusion feature because he can control himself when gambling and can also manage the amount of money for gambling. He also won't lose much money because he always uses small bets whenever he gambles.

Of course, limiting the size of bets and the maximum amount you can lose is quite important, but simply not allowing casinos to give credits is enough. Then it will be impossible to win more than the player's balance. And restrictions sometimes due to software and other errors can simply not work

I guess you made mistakes with is and isn't here, I was able to detect it due to the incoherence of your discussion even though I was able to understand what you wrote to an extent. Many approaches work for gambling, it is we who should know the ones that work best for us. Limiting the time of betting, betting with a small amount, betting only what you can afford to lose, betting with a sector of gambling only, abstinence from betting for a while etc, are all good approaches to moderate our betting lifestyle, and the ones that works best for us is what we should use the most. For example, reducing the amount of betting per time has been a very good way to gamble and get to stay on without losing much money. I urge gamblers to do this often so that they will not just be wasting money, especially on the casino aspect of gambling. This is the issue that has been discussed here many times and the limitation to it is the money, much can't be made either. But when the account is well managed, the end will surely justify the mean.

[ethereumhunter]

It's quite easy to advise the player when he takes your advice and actually stops a little in the game and comes to his senses and judges everything logically.  However, if a person is euphoric from the game, he is passionate and has almost no control over his actions, being completely immersed in the game, then your advice will simply be ignored. 
This is most likely what will happen.  Well, you should keep in mind that people differ quite greatly in character, willpower, and passion for the game.  Apparently, during the game, everyone produces different amounts of adrenaline in their body and, accordingly, human behavior is also very different. 

In short, the function of self-exclusion from the game cannot be implemented for all players. 
Sometimes it just doesn't work out.

That's what happens if we are so happy with the results we get that we often take everything for granted. We will not have self-control because of that excitement, so we will forget what we should do after winning. That's why, to enable the self-exclusion feature, we have to really know what we want to do so that the feature will actually work for us. But if we still want to experience the joy of gambling, the self-exclusion feature will not be useful because we can gamble at other casinos and before gambling, we will also deposit some money. So activating the self-exclusion feature or avoiding gambling is not easy because it requires a desire from within so that we really have the desire to avoid gambling for a while or even forever.

[delfastTions]

It's quite easy to advise the player when he takes your advice and actually stops a little in the game and comes to his senses and judges everything logically.  However, if a person is euphoric from the game, he is passionate and has almost no control over his actions, being completely immersed in the game, then your advice will simply be ignored. 
This is most likely what will happen.  Well, you should keep in mind that people differ quite greatly in character, willpower, and passion for the game.  Apparently, during the game, everyone produces different amounts of adrenaline in their body and, accordingly, human behavior is also very different. 

In short, the function of self-exclusion from the game cannot be implemented for all players. 
Sometimes it just doesn't work out.

That's what happens if we are so happy with the results we get that we often take everything for granted. We will not have self-control because of that excitement, so we will forget what we should do after winning. That's why, to enable the self-exclusion feature, we have to really know what we want to do so that the feature will actually work for us. But if we still want to experience the joy of gambling, the self-exclusion feature will not be useful because we can gamble at other casinos and before gambling, we will also deposit some money. So activating the self-exclusion feature or avoiding gambling is not easy because it requires a desire from within so that we really have the desire to avoid gambling for a while or even forever.

However, among gamblers there are always people who have weak willpower, but at the same time they can be very gambling. 
It is not only very difficult for such people to force themselves to stop playing, but in some cases, I would say that it is simply impossible for them.  And even big losses don’t stop them.  And no matter how much the people around them advise them to stop playing, all this advice will definitely be ignored by such a weak-willed player. 
As a result, not only the player himself, who may develop a gaming addiction at the stage of the disease, suffers, but all members of his family also suffer because he loses a lot of money from their family budget.  The result is scandals, divorces and other troubles. 

And it turns out that several people suffered from such passion of one weak-willed player, including, unfortunately, his children.  And only God knows what to do here.

[Bushdark]

Many of us have experienced experiences like yours where we mistyped the betting money, which caused us to experience a bigger loss than we expected. But it has all happened, and we can't do anything about it or even try to recover from that loss. That could make some gamblers think about activating the self-exclusion feature so they can't use more money. But some people type the wrong amount of money that they want to exclude from those who originally only wanted to write down half of the total amount of money they had, but instead, they wrote down all the money. But if the person has strong self-control, he doesn't need to activate the self-exclusion feature because he can control himself when gambling and can also manage the amount of money for gambling. He also won't lose much money because he always uses small bets whenever he gambles.

Of course, limiting the size of bets and the maximum amount you can lose is quite important, but simply not allowing casinos to give credits is enough. Then it will be impossible to win more than the player's balance. And restrictions sometimes due to software and other errors can simply not work

For me, I don't even like a casino where that limited amount to be withdraw or deposit has restrictions. Although this might be a good reason to prevent money laundry especially from drug dealers transferring the money from one wallet to the other. We need to be careful especially for casino regulating their platform to prevent it from the anger of the government like FBI from attacking a casino because it was known to be harbouring funds from criminals. This is why some people do not prefer KYC casinos because of so many reasons.

[Oilacris]

Many of us have experienced experiences like yours where we mistyped the betting money, which caused us to experience a bigger loss than we expected. But it has all happened, and we can't do anything about it or even try to recover from that loss. That could make some gamblers think about activating the self-exclusion feature so they can't use more money. But some people type the wrong amount of money that they want to exclude from those who originally only wanted to write down half of the total amount of money they had, but instead, they wrote down all the money. But if the person has strong self-control, he doesn't need to activate the self-exclusion feature because he can control himself when gambling and can also manage the amount of money for gambling. He also won't lose much money because he always uses small bets whenever he gambles.

Of course, limiting the size of bets and the maximum amount you can lose is quite important, but simply not allowing casinos to give credits is enough. Then it will be impossible to win more than the player's balance. And restrictions sometimes due to software and other errors can simply not work

For me, I don't even like a casino where that limited amount to be withdraw or deposit has restrictions. Although this might be a good reason to prevent money laundry especially from drug dealers transferring the money from one wallet to the other. We need to be careful especially for casino regulating their platform to prevent it from the anger of the government like FBI from attacking a casino because it was known to be harbouring funds from criminals. This is why some people do not prefer KYC casinos because of so many reasons.

I dont care about limitation or what when it comes or speaking about value of deposits and withdrawals that you could be able to take out since im not a huge wagerer and im not that expecting for some huge wins on which it wont really be an issue as long it wont really be having any problems in related about releasing withdrawals or simply being legit. We do have tons of casinos in the market today on which it would really be just that impossible that you cant really be able to find one. It is really just that a matter of research in speaking about choosing on what platform you are dealing with.
Self exclusions could really be seen on some platforms but basing up on the condition or situation that OP is really that elaborating on here, then its possible but its not something that not all would really be doing.

[ethereumhunter]

However, among gamblers there are always people who have weak willpower, but at the same time they can be very gambling. 
It is not only very difficult for such people to force themselves to stop playing, but in some cases, I would say that it is simply impossible for them.  And even big losses don’t stop them.  And no matter how much the people around them advise them to stop playing, all this advice will definitely be ignored by such a weak-willed player. 
As a result, not only the player himself, who may develop a gaming addiction at the stage of the disease, suffers, but all members of his family also suffer because he loses a lot of money from their family budget.  The result is scandals, divorces and other troubles. 

And it turns out that several people suffered from such passion of one weak-willed player, including, unfortunately, his children.  And only God knows what to do here.

All people can gamble, whether strong or weak, and they must have money to gamble. The important thing is that they can control themselves well to prevent many losses. Those who often gamble may find it difficult to stop gambling, but if their intention is strong, they will be able to stop gambling. People who get advice from others about quitting gambling are lucky people because there are still people who care about them and don't want to see them lose a lot. And if they don't want to listen to other people's suggestions, they will get deeper into gambling and this will probably make the people who initially gave them advice just see what will happen to the gambler. But if the gambler wants to listen to his advice and chooses to activate the self-exclusion feature, they are choosing a good path because the self-exclusion feature is for people who really want to limit their gambling activities. But to produce the desired results, the gambler must also strongly intend to limit himself from gambling.

[delfastTions]

However, among gamblers there are always people who have weak willpower, but at the same time they can be very gambling. 
It is not only very difficult for such people to force themselves to stop playing, but in some cases, I would say that it is simply impossible for them.  And even big losses don’t stop them.  And no matter how much the people around them advise them to stop playing, all this advice will definitely be ignored by such a weak-willed player. 
As a result, not only the player himself, who may develop a gaming addiction at the stage of the disease, suffers, but all members of his family also suffer because he loses a lot of money from their family budget.  The result is scandals, divorces and other troubles. 

And it turns out that several people suffered from such passion of one weak-willed player, including, unfortunately, his children.  And only God knows what to do here.

All people can gamble, whether strong or weak, and they must have money to gamble. The important thing is that they can control themselves well to prevent many losses. Those who often gamble may find it difficult to stop gambling, but if their intention is strong, they will be able to stop gambling. People who get advice from others about quitting gambling are lucky people because there are still people who care about them and don't want to see them lose a lot. And if they don't want to listen to other people's suggestions, they will get deeper into gambling and this will probably make the people who initially gave them advice just see what will happen to the gambler. But if the gambler wants to listen to his advice and chooses to activate the self-exclusion feature, they are choosing a good path because the self-exclusion feature is for people who really want to limit their gambling activities. But to produce the desired results, the gambler must also strongly intend to limit himself from gambling.

I agree that the self-exclusion function is a very useful tool and a way for a person to fight against his passion for gambling, which can already turn into gambling addiction at the stage of mental illness.  Those casino devs who include this function in their algorithms act correctly and responsibly, since sometimes this function works more or less effectively.  But many gamblers, even when this function is turned on, still have an obsessive thought in their brains about how to quickly start playing again when the exception ends.  It seems to me that it is important for people close to the player during such periods to distract the player as much as possible with various conversations on other topics or requests to do something useful.  Then the brain automatically switches to other thoughts.  And it will become easier for the player.

[EarnOnVictor]

Many of us have experienced experiences like yours where we mistyped the betting money, which caused us to experience a bigger loss than we expected. But it has all happened, and we can't do anything about it or even try to recover from that loss. That could make some gamblers think about activating the self-exclusion feature so they can't use more money. But some people type the wrong amount of money that they want to exclude from those who originally only wanted to write down half of the total amount of money they had, but instead, they wrote down all the money. But if the person has strong self-control, he doesn't need to activate the self-exclusion feature because he can control himself when gambling and can also manage the amount of money for gambling. He also won't lose much money because he always uses small bets whenever he gambles.

Of course, limiting the size of bets and the maximum amount you can lose is quite important, but simply not allowing casinos to give credits is enough. Then it will be impossible to win more than the player's balance. And restrictions sometimes due to software and other errors can simply not work

For me, I don't even like a casino where that limited amount to be withdraw or deposit has restrictions. Although this might be a good reason to prevent money laundry especially from drug dealers transferring the money from one wallet to the other. We need to be careful especially for casino regulating their platform to prevent it from the anger of the government like FBI from attacking a casino because it was known to be harbouring funds from criminals. This is why some people do not prefer KYC casinos because of so many reasons.

Come off it bro, this is not about casinos protecting your interest or because of one government but because of their selfish interest in most cases. If I asked you, how many casinos have that strong regulation? Or do you think because they ask you for KYC or restrict amounts of betting, some do not launder money themselves?

This is not about being answerable to government officials but about them doing what they please. Casinos are one of the established I know that do as they like mostly, that is why they will refuse to pay bets and no government will query them about that. This is because they are highly underregulated and most of them are operating offshore. So if you think it is because of one regulation they are so particular about restrictions, you are not sincere with yourself, such is just a partial excuse that makes them look more legit. Only a few are strongly regulated but many are just acting. Regardless, I implore everyone to follow the terms and conditions of their casinos and to make sure that they complete their KYC from the beginning so that casinos will not use the excuse against them later.

[ethereumhunter]

I agree that the self-exclusion function is a very useful tool and a way for a person to fight against his passion for gambling, which can already turn into gambling addiction at the stage of mental illness.  Those casino devs who include this function in their algorithms act correctly and responsibly, since sometimes this function works more or less effectively.  But many gamblers, even when this function is turned on, still have an obsessive thought in their brains about how to quickly start playing again when the exception ends.  It seems to me that it is important for people close to the player during such periods to distract the player as much as possible with various conversations on other topics or requests to do something useful.  Then the brain automatically switches to other thoughts.  And it will become easier for the player.

The self-exclusion feature can be useful for someone who wants to avoid gambling. But if they still want to gamble, that won't work and they will just keep going back to the casino to gamble. Many gamblers still seem to have difficulty controlling themselves to stay away from gambling because gambling really tempts them to return to gambling. This is why when playing gambling, we have to be very careful and have strong self-control so that when we activate self-control, we can do it well. We can stay away from gambling for a while and not return to gambling.

[South Park]

I agree that the self-exclusion function is a very useful tool and a way for a person to fight against his passion for gambling, which can already turn into gambling addiction at the stage of mental illness.  Those casino devs who include this function in their algorithms act correctly and responsibly, since sometimes this function works more or less effectively.  But many gamblers, even when this function is turned on, still have an obsessive thought in their brains about how to quickly start playing again when the exception ends.  It seems to me that it is important for people close to the player during such periods to distract the player as much as possible with various conversations on other topics or requests to do something useful.  Then the brain automatically switches to other thoughts.  And it will become easier for the player.

The self-exclusion feature can be useful for someone who wants to avoid gambling. But if they still want to gamble, that won't work and they will just keep going back to the casino to gamble. Many gamblers still seem to have difficulty controlling themselves to stay away from gambling because gambling really tempts them to return to gambling. This is why when playing gambling, we have to be very careful and have strong self-control so that when we activate self-control, we can do it well. We can stay away from gambling for a while and not return to gambling.

Gamblers that are having those problems need to do some serious soul searching and answer a simple question, can they really control their gambling and they have been lax on that control or they do have a problem and they cannot really control themselves anymore? If it is the former then they really need to step up their game and control themselves by any means possible, and if it is the latter then they need to recognize that even if gambling is something they enjoy greatly, the time has come to leave it behind for good.

[3kpk3]

Regardless, I implore everyone to follow the terms and conditions of their casinos and to make sure that they complete their KYC from the beginning so that casinos will not use the excuse against them later.

This is bad advice. You should only complete KYC initially in casinos that mandatorily enforce it like Roobet etc. If it's not mandatory, you shouldn't submit your KYC information unless they request it later on.

It makes no difference when you submit your KYC as long as you are submitting accurate information without trying to fool the sites.

[Quidat]

Regardless, I implore everyone to follow the terms and conditions of their casinos and to make sure that they complete their KYC from the beginning so that casinos will not use the excuse against them later.

This is bad advice. You should only complete KYC initially in casinos that mandatorily enforce it like Roobet etc. If it's not mandatory, you shouldn't submit your KYC information unless they request it later on.

It makes no difference when you submit your KYC as long as you are submitting accurate information without trying to fool the sites.

I do remember that there are some long discussions in regarding on that sudden KYC level 1 of Roobet beforehand on which tons of gamblers or the said site did really react out on such change but the fact that you are really just that only needing those informations like the basic ones without needing to send those documents then you are still able to play. KYC levels would increase basing up on the money that you are depositing or overall wager on which its not shocking for these kind of platforms considering that they are really that regulated or centralized then its not really that shocking at all.
It is really just that there are ones who are really that too mindful and allergy when it comes to KYC aspects and this is why they do really have this kind of reaction into it.

[Blitzboy]

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I agree that the self-exclusion function is a very useful tool and a way for a person to fight against his passion for gambling, which can already turn into gambling addiction at the stage of mental illness.  Those casino devs who include this function in their algorithms act correctly and responsibly, since sometimes this function works more or less effectively.  But many gamblers, even when this function is turned on, still have an obsessive thought in their brains about how to quickly start playing again when the exception ends.  It seems to me that it is important for people close to the player during such periods to distract the player as much as possible with various conversations on other topics or requests to do something useful.  Then the brain automatically switches to other thoughts.  And it will become easier for the player.

Im nodding to your self-exclusion points. Its good, but its like bandaging a leaky pipe. Under the surface, the issue persists. Obsessive thoughts about gambling again drain your brain batteries like background programs.

Imagine personal growth during self-exclusion. How about finance management or addiction psychology education? Give the brain healthy fuel for thinking. Understanding the "why" behind habits may help players avoid relapse. Knowledge is powerful and could change the game.

Family support is essential. Not just diverting them, but understanding and empathy. Discussing addiction, sharing stories, and even taking online classes or fitness challenges together. Replace one habit with healthier ones. So why not gamify these alternatives? Make healthy living fun. Life is the ultimate game, and we're all leveling up in our own manner.

[so98nn]

This is good but not good for those who are anyways getting themselves involved in gambling. I am not sure how this is relevant but locking/staking fund is one type of investment while gambling is concious way to put your money on the sites that would generate live results about your wins and losses. It is evident that saving your money is simply saving while gambling is for fun, for adrenaline stuff and trying to chase the profits from in-gaming algos.

If someone really wants to save themselves from gambling then they simply need to stop gambling or control their habits/timings when they play. If they want to save money then they can do so by storing their coins on hardware wallets or cold storages because even with the staking you are free to withdraw money on timely basis. On the former one you can timelock them.