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January 07, 2024, 11:55:57 AM |
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Now imagine that this gambling expert is you. What arguments will you give? What will you tell the patient about? Please note that the patient will resist to the last. He will give counterarguments. For example, that he will get rich in the future, he’s just not lucky yet. What other arguments do you think the patient will give? How do you respond to these arguments of his?
Not sure if I understand the approach correctly, we should try to focus the time and energy of the patient on something new completely with the goal to make money? I don't think it's a good approach to argue with addicts, because they will only use logic of it helps them. In case the logic is against them, they will just disregard it. My first argument is going to be that gambling is not here to make us rich. The majority of gamblers are not going to succeed in getting rich through gambling. Basic mathematics are going to speak against any possible counter argument. It takes a large number of small losses to be able to payout one large win for the casino. Also if the patient committed himself to therapy already he must realise that he has a problem and wants to turn his life around.
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January 07, 2024, 01:08:52 PM |
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To help someone steer clear of gambling, I'd highlight the need for a smart gaming plan rather than just relying on optimism. I'd talk about setting practical goals, consider the odds, and suggest trying out other stuff like hobbies. Showing empathy and understanding is crucial to help them make positive changes. I get the appeal of hitting it big in gambling, but let's be real that relying on luck alone isn't a solid plan for long-term success. Successful gamblers have strategies, like a gaming system and risk management. It's not about shutting down your dreams, but finding a better, more balanced way to reach them.
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January 07, 2024, 03:04:47 PM |
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It's difficult if what they are looking for is not the truth but a justification for the bad activities they are doing. Likewise with gambling addicts, why is it difficult for them to be aware of their bad behavior...? Yes... because what he is looking for is a justification, and when someone tells the truth about gambling, a gambler will continue to try to avoid the truth and look for various reasons as a defense for his bad behavior in gambling. A gambling addict is one of the many people who is difficult to advise.
And I have a friend who is quite addicted to gambling. And because I saw that it was a loss for him and his family... I tried to advise him not to gamble too often, because you also have a family that you have to pay attention to and they really need your attention. And do you know what the answer was? then he answered "you're noisy, later if I win big, then the winnings will be given to the family and I will tell them to buy what they want." It's quite surprising, isn't it... And I fell silent at those words, and chose not to continue to advise him any further, because that would only trigger an argument.
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January 07, 2024, 03:29:02 PM |
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It is also necessary to find something for the patient to do instead of playing, so that he can occupy himself. Now imagine that this gambling expert is you. What arguments will you give? What will you tell the patient about?
I'm not a gambling expert, all I know is these professionals are checking the background and the root of addiction it's not about telling anything what to do but its more on rooting out the symptoms how it started, where it started, and when it started and addressing and giving out an alternative to root out the causes of addiction. Please note that the patient will resist to the last. He will give counterarguments. For example, that he will get rich in the future, he’s just not lucky yet. What other arguments do you think the patient will give? How do you respond to these arguments of his? It's hard to argue with a compulsive gambler it's like you're arguing with the wind, if a gambler is not ready to change there's no better argument to make him stop gambling, you can only show compassion and ask him to try an alternative to gambling, some gamblers just need someone to listen to their problems when he can talk to you heart to heart he can open about up about gambling addiction, arguments will never work, it will make the gambler to defend why he gamble.
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January 07, 2024, 03:36:09 PM |
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First of all, there's no such thing as gambling expert. Also, gambling addicts which are clinically diagnosed, are going to the same rehabilitation establishments as with people who have other addictions. We just cannot pretend to be an expert and assume we would be able to give 'advices' rather than standardized treatments. A particular behavior should be targeted here which is addiction in gambling therefore it should be eliminated and that won't be easily removed by having an alternative activity alone; it is a step by step procedure in order to make it efficient. To help someone steer clear of gambling, I'd highlight the need for a smart gaming plan rather than just relying on optimism. I'd talk about setting practical goals, consider the odds, and suggest trying out other stuff like hobbies. Showing empathy and understanding is crucial to help them make positive changes. I get the appeal of hitting it big in gambling, but let's be real that relying on luck alone isn't a solid plan for long-term success. Successful gamblers have strategies, like a gaming system and risk management. It's not about shutting down your dreams, but finding a better, more balanced way to reach them.
Changing one's viewpoint of gambling will be really helpful; practical goal, bankroll management, and exposure to gambling activity. But with continuing to gamble, I quite disagree; addiction is the bottomline here which means the individual is not only suffering from losses but also struggling to function on a daily basis due to his obsession for a particular habit. Improving his 'gaming set up' won't be a help since there would still be exposure to gambling still, not to mention that no matter how good your strategy is, winning won't always take place with certainty.
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January 07, 2024, 03:51:31 PM |
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Please note that the patient will resist to the last. He will give counterarguments. For example, that he will get rich in the future, he’s just not lucky yet. What other arguments do you think the patient will give? How do you respond to these arguments of his?
Then the patient is delusional. He is out his rationality to make such statements when in fact he has already lost tons of money on his pursuit for richness, consequently being on that clinic for that reason. For someone in delusional state, I'm not sure if arguments would help somehow, because arguments demand the person to be rational in order to absorb and reflect about them. When people behave like this, the tendency is pharmacology to take in action as last resource. Personally, I don't like the idea, because I don't think pharmaceuticals cure mental diseases, it just works as a palliative, which also brings lots of negative side effects on long run. But besides this measure, I think I could only give attention to the addicted individual, hearing what he has to say and trying to change his focus to another activities, in a slight hope he can get out of the delusional state of mind he finds himself.
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January 07, 2024, 03:53:09 PM |
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To overcome gambling addiction, from my point of view only the addict himself can overcome it. If he really wants to get rid of his addiction, then he has to start with himself. It's very difficult to refute any arguments if he doesn't want to change and still wants to be an addict. No matter how good our sentences are, they will still be answered with their own arguments.
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January 07, 2024, 04:16:22 PM |
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I am not a doctor or an expert in therapy to cure gambling addiction. But maybe I can only show that he is addicted to gambling and try to convince him that he is addicted to gambling and must try to cure his gambling addiction. But it looks like it won't be easy to convince him that he is addicted to gambling because he will definitely provide counter-arguments. Maybe the doctors treating him will give him a test to show that he has a gambling addiction.
Or maybe the doctors could show the consequences that he and the people closest to him experienced because he had gambled with so much money that he had spent it all. Doctors must be able to make the person admit that he is addicted to gambling even though he continues to deny it because, behind his denial, there is actually a dark side that he wants to hide from other people. If the doctors were able to touch the dark side, everything might open up, and the person would see that he was indeed addicted to gambling, and this person might admit it and regret it while crying full of regret.
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January 07, 2024, 04:31:19 PM |
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My God, this is a difficult question. I am not a gambling expert so I might choose the wrong words. The encouragement to stop gambling might make it worse. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) I've seen gambling addicts but I don't think they are too deep to be put in rehabilitation, I mean they can still somehow stop playing for hours while doing their responsibilities. What I actually suggested to one of them, a close friend was to stop playing slots but instead try sports gambling. So I guess that was not a cure, I was just trying to change his way of gambling. Because for me, sports gambling is not an addictive game. You bet once on your preferred game, and once it's done you rest for the day. Anyway, for a gambling addict that might not be a good recommendation. As a specialist, the argument must be spot on that they will believe it's time to forget whatever bad habit they had. Giving them something else to do was a good choice. I mean, that's how I stopped my smoking addiction. I focused on work and keeping my kids healthy so I forgot about it for 5 years by now. Those who have experienced other addictions might be the ones who can help these guys. They just need something that would keep them busy so they will forget about gambling. I will also not recommend anything that has to do with the internet, that is where the spark could happen again.
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January 07, 2024, 04:34:59 PM |
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I'm not sure people want to come to a clinic just to treat their gambling addiction. If gambling is one of the things that makes him happy, then he will do it continuously. Until the point where he runs out of money to play, he will stop. I have quite a lot of friends who used to like gambling and could be said to be addicts. Now the majority of them have also stopped themselves because the main reason is that they have run out of money to play. But when they get a salary from their work, it will be used to gamble again until it runs out & stops.
Maybe this kind of addiction is still normal, he continues to gamble and stops when his money runs out. However, there are also those who have extreme addictions, gambling until they run out of money, but when the money runs out they continue to try to get the money by any means to gamble, such as selling valuables, robbing and even killing. So addiction should not be taken lightly, just have fun and when the money runs out then stop. The reality on the ground is that many people who are addicted to gambling act carelessly or even uncontrollably, as in the example above. So addiction needs treatment, of course there are various types of treatment. However, many have managed to escape addiction thanks to the support of family and those closest to them. where I live there is no special doctor for addicts, so doctors are not the solution.
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The doctor's job is not to convince the patient, the doctor has no goal of sitting with the patient in a debate about whether gambling is profitable or not. The doctor's role is to assess whether the person is able to stay without playing or not. The doctor doesn't need to keep talking about things like if the client has suffered a lot of injuries and that's why he should stop gambling. It is necessary for people to understand that even a person who makes profits from gambling is addicted to gambling. Therefore, what the doctor should ask the client should be the following:
Can Mr. X not play?
If you answer that he can do without playing, then the doctor should ask:
How long can Mr. X play?
Then the doctor confiscates all electronic devices that allow Mr. During this time, the doctor is observing Mr. X, he sees how Mr. gambling. For this reason, treatment will begin, which consists of confiscating everything that could make it easier for Mr. game addiction. In my country there are clinics for addicted people. That's why I know how they operate. It is a very long and very expensive treatment, the clinics charge money and also require that the relatives responsible for the addict always be present during the treatment, so that the addict feels less guilty and starts to look at the world in a normal way, start valuing more things in the real world and forget about games
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January 07, 2024, 08:17:58 PM |
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Imagine that there is such a rehabilitation clinic for people who are addicted to gambling. Now imagine what they treat there without the use of pharmacology. The main doctors there are gambling specialists, whose task is to convince you that you do not need to gamble. Your task, for example, is to prove that the patient most likely has a disordered game. In order to have long-term income, you need to have a gaming system. And not just a system, but a fairly innovative system of forecasting and risk management. Most likely the patient does not have it and never had it; otherwise he would have been successful and would not have ended up in rehab. It is also necessary to find something for the patient to do instead of playing, so that he can occupy himself. Now imagine that this gambling expert is you. What arguments will you give? What will you tell the patient about? Please note that the patient will resist to the last. He will give counterarguments. For example, that he will get rich in the future, he’s just not lucky yet. What other arguments do you think the patient will give? How do you respond to these arguments of his?
Great topic for discussion! Out of curiosity, I read on the Internet how gambling addiction is treated, and basically we are talking about working with psychologists and maximizing distraction from games by finding a new hobby. I would take a different path and do a detailed analysis of the history of games with numbers of wins and losses and the general financial condition before and after. I think that the patient who ended up in the clinic will only have negative results both in terms of games and finances and this will be the main argument why he needs to stop playing, and then the work of psychologists to consolidate the result.
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January 07, 2024, 08:50:07 PM |
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Imagine that there is such a rehabilitation clinic for people who are addicted to gambling. Now imagine what they treat there without the use of pharmacology. The main doctors there are gambling specialists, whose task is to convince you that you do not need to gamble. Your task, for example, is to prove that the patient most likely has a disordered game. In order to have long-term income, you need to have a gaming system. And not just a system, but a fairly innovative system of forecasting and risk management. Most likely the patient does not have it and never had it; otherwise he would have been successful and would not have ended up in rehab. It is also necessary to find something for the patient to do instead of playing, so that he can occupy himself. Now imagine that this gambling expert is you. What arguments will you give? What will you tell the patient about? Please note that the patient will resist to the last. He will give counterarguments. For example, that he will get rich in the future, he’s just not lucky yet. What other arguments do you think the patient will give? How do you respond to these arguments of his?
You really don't need to imagine this because there are legitimately rehabilitation clinics that treat specifically people whom struggle with gambling addiction. I have absolutely no idea on how to go about helping them, what sort of questions to ask or how to approach any of that, but again thankfully there are already places like this that exist so thankfully they are there for those whom truly need it.
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January 07, 2024, 09:00:32 PM |
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Imagine that there is such a rehabilitation clinic for people who are addicted to gambling. Now imagine what they treat there without the use of pharmacology. The main doctors there are gambling specialists, whose task is to convince you that you do not need to gamble. Your task, for example, is to prove that the patient most likely has a disordered game. In order to have long-term income, you need to have a gaming system. And not just a system, but a fairly innovative system of forecasting and risk management. Most likely the patient does not have it and never had it; otherwise he would have been successful and would not have ended up in rehab. It is also necessary to find something for the patient to do instead of playing, so that he can occupy himself. Now imagine that this gambling expert is you. What arguments will you give? What will you tell the patient about? Please note that the patient will resist to the last. He will give counterarguments. For example, that he will get rich in the future, he’s just not lucky yet. What other arguments do you think the patient will give? How do you respond to these arguments of his?
from my experience, changing someone who has become a gambling addict is a difficult thing, i once had an argument with a gambling addict and he was not after actual winnings but he wanted to return all the money he had lost, i even tried to make him aware again that his thinking was wrong. In fact, almost 90% of gambling addicts end up bankrupt and in debt, so whatever they think while continuing to gamble is a trap created by their own minds, luckily the person i argued with at the beginning has stopped gambling, that's because he is currently sick, yes, there are many gambling addicts who end up stopping because of circumstances, but there are also many who stop gambling because of death.
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January 07, 2024, 09:05:37 PM |
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Imagine that there is such a rehabilitation clinic for people who are addicted to gambling. Now imagine what they treat there without the use of pharmacology. The main doctors there are gambling specialists, whose task is to convince you that you do not need to gamble. Your task, for example, is to prove that the patient most likely has a disordered game. In order to have long-term income, you need to have a gaming system. And not just a system, but a fairly innovative system of forecasting and risk management. Most likely the patient does not have it and never had it; otherwise he would have been successful and would not have ended up in rehab. It is also necessary to find something for the patient to do instead of playing, so that he can occupy himself. Now imagine that this gambling expert is you. What arguments will you give? What will you tell the patient about? Please note that the patient will resist to the last. He will give counterarguments. For example, that he will get rich in the future, he’s just not lucky yet. What other arguments do you think the patient will give? How do you respond to these arguments of his?
I will create a program that will simulate the gambling game that the patient is playing. I will set the same chances of winning in it as in real gambling. And then I’ll show him what the deposit will be after 100 and 10,000, and even 1,000,000 games. In any case, if at a short distance you can get lucky and the deposit will increase. Then after 1,000,000 games it will decrease and the income will be negative. In this way we will see his potential future, and that there is no point in wasting his life on uncontrolled gambling. But! All this makes sense if the patient himself wants to be cured and stop playing. And he is not a convinced and absolutely complete gambler, for example, like Bestov (Google it if you don’t know who he is, I recommend an interview on the Meta TV channel).
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January 07, 2024, 09:17:05 PM |
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Imagine that there is such a rehabilitation clinic for people who are addicted to gambling.
Because of how addiction has risen a lot in other form of habits and gambling, Rehabilitation centers has been one investment that there has been a large call for its establishment in my country Nigeria. Rehabiltation centers can be of really great help because many professional will be the staffs, and their experience in helping people will increase with the more patients that they have. Addictive gambling is a mental thing, so medications may not be needed expect in severe cases.
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January 07, 2024, 09:18:26 PM |
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I'm not sure people want to come to a clinic just to treat their gambling addiction. If gambling is one of the things that makes him happy, then he will do it continuously. Until the point where he runs out of money to play, he will stop. I have quite a lot of friends who used to like gambling and could be said to be addicts. Now the majority of them have also stopped themselves because the main reason is that they have run out of money to play. But when they get a salary from their work, it will be used to gamble again until it runs out & stops.
Maybe this kind of addiction is still normal, he continues to gamble and stops when his money runs out. However, there are also those who have extreme addictions, gambling until they run out of money, but when the money runs out they continue to try to get the money by any means to gamble, such as selling valuables, robbing and even killing. So addiction should not be taken lightly, just have fun and when the money runs out then stop. The reality on the ground is that many people who are addicted to gambling act carelessly or even uncontrollably, as in the example above. So addiction needs treatment, of course there are various types of treatment. However, many have managed to escape addiction thanks to the support of family and those closest to them. where I live there is no special doctor for addicts, so doctors are not the solution. the will to change should start from the gambler himself. because actions from his family or close friends will only be futile if the gambler himself doesn't want to change. if the gambler accepted the reality that he is already in the addiction state, then, that's the first step of this process. identifying that he has problem is a big step to alter his lifestyle. that's when he can truly ask for help from the people around him or from professionals addressing this kind of addiction. Imagine that there is such a rehabilitation clinic for people who are addicted to gambling.
Because of how addiction has risen a lot in other form of habits and gambling, Rehabilitation centers has been one investment that there has been a large call for its establishment in my country Nigeria. Rehabiltation centers can be of really great help because many professional will be the staffs, and their experience in helping people will increase with the more patients that they have. Addictive gambling is a mental thing, so medications may not be needed expect in severe cases. i guess, one problem here is that if the gambler has no funds to enter into such institution. he will think twice of going in because of financial difficulties. unless, such center is free of charge and just accepts donation. that i think, is not yet common because of course, this will be a business for the owners. lucky if it is run by a charitable organisation. but knowing charity groups, they will dedicate their resources first to orphans, homeless and those who are in need rather than gambling addicts.
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January 07, 2024, 09:20:58 PM |
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I think that professionals assigned here are much of psychologists and/or psychiatrists. But of course the former can't prescribe medicines and this is a good combination if there are two professionals that are on these field with these clinics. Whilst for the gamblers that are like to argue, I guess that it's normal as part of in denial process but sooner or later, they'll just be happy that they've been diagnosed and got helped from clinics like this. But typically, this is going to cost money for the patients and if there are mobile clinics that are trying to help on this matter, they're legends. Or some organizations organize this clinic to help gambling addicts for free since no one's gonna help them spend money on themselves and cure anymore unless their family already gave up.
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January 07, 2024, 09:30:06 PM |
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To help someone steer clear of gambling, I'd highlight the need for a smart gaming plan rather than just relying on optimism. I'd talk about setting practical goals, consider the odds, and suggest trying out other stuff like hobbies. Showing empathy and understanding is crucial to help them make positive changes. I get the appeal of hitting it big in gambling, but let's be real that relying on luck alone isn't a solid plan for long-term success. Successful gamblers have strategies, like a gaming system and risk management. It's not about shutting down your dreams, but finding a better, more balanced way to reach them.
Helping someone steer out of gambling should be based on the level of the concerned person's engagement in gambling because I don't think it's necessary to try help someone who is very responsible in his gambling activities out of gambling but if the person is addicted to gambling, the first move to try help him out if gambling should be the trying to convince him that gambling addiction isn't good and he must stop it. It's only when a gambling addict have accepted to quit gambling that it'll be possible to help talk them out of it. Talking about being strategic, it's very important that a gambler becomes very strategic and logical in his gambling engagements in other to win in gambling and as a gambler that isn't strategic enough, it'll be difficult to win uun gambling.
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Please note that the patient will resist to the last. He will give counterarguments. For example, that he will get rich in the future, he’s just not lucky yet. What other arguments do you think the patient will give? How do you respond to these arguments of his?
I will firstly agree with them because not agreeing with them in the first instance will make them not wanting to give you the much needed attention that will be needed of them so they could learn and possibly make adjustments where necessary, agreeing with their kind of mindset does not mean you are giving in or supporting they continue gambling. It's very possible someone could get Rich gambling if they are lucky at a particular time over a particular period so when you consider this you will agree with their idea a little but then you can aswell help them understand it's not the only way to getting rich as they can amass much fortune doing other jobs aswell getting involved in other paying occupation asides gambling and they can gradually build wealth, getting involved in business too is another way out and if possible suggest some good startups to them.
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