The effect the mixer ban has had on the forum.

[JollyGood]

In the run up to announcing a huge decision such as banning mixers, I would be surprised if theymos did not foresee traffic at other forums increasing. As this forum has signature campaign participants earning more than elsewhere, he would not have to contemplate less posts being made here but would surely have accepted the inevitable changes at other forums.

I'm sure that Theymos is well aware that the traffic is being moved elsewhere in fact that's the whole reason he banned them in the first place. I don't think this change really has any negative affects whatsoever except for the folks that were in those camps. I also don't see casino camps getting the boot anytime soon as gambling is perfectly legal in most countries and more in particular the SEC isn't as strict on those.

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[Casdinyard]

The impact is only that more people teleport from btt to altt. But I hope that everyone who teleports can still maintain the security of their account on BTT. By not using the same password to be in different forums but with the same name. Because if one of the accounts in the forum has been successfully infiltrated by someone else, it will be the same as our accounts in other forums. So the most important thing is to have a different password for each account we have on other forums. Not only on altt but also on other crypto forums, which are actually quite numerous at the moment even though the traffic is quite light.

I don't think that's going to be the least of their concerns or worries as I noticed that most users who got their accounts teleported from BTT to ALTT end up using the very same email they used to sign up to this site as well. Which means that regardless if they used the same password or not. A hacker determined to really get a hold of some BTT user's details will be able to use their email as an access pass without real issue.

The greater concern lies in the fact that this change led to fewer campaigns, less traffic into the forum, and the fact that energy is diverted from everywhere else in the forum to gambling discussion, since most of these signature campaigns (including the one that I'm on right now) require their members to post a couple comments in the board. The latter's not necessarily a bad thing as more people means the gambling board can finally get its break from stupid users creating shitposts and shitcomments but at the very same time this takes engagement out of the more important parts of the forum in my opinion. We may not notice it right now but as more gambling sites push for advertisement here it's going to be more and more apparent.

Pretty sure theymos got's something up his sleeve as what many people here have thought since you can't just issue a massive change like this without weighing in the consequences, but at the same time it's better be good lol.

[robelneo]

The greater concern lies in the fact that this change led to fewer campaigns, less traffic into the forum,

You have to post a stat to back up your claim, I have always said before that Bitcointalk's massive traffic comes from organic traffic created from thousands of discussions that are indexed by search engines, and with thousands of backlinks Bitcointalk gets massive respect from the search engine

and the fact that energy is diverted from everywhere else in the forum to gambling discussion, since most of these signature campaigns (including the one that I'm on right now) require their members to post a couple comments in the board. The latter's not necessarily a bad thing as more people means the gambling board can finally get its break from stupid users creating shitposts and shitcomments but at the very same time this takes engagement out of the more important parts of the forum in my opinion. We may not notice it right now but as more gambling sites push for advertisement here it's going to be more and more apparent.

Traffic does not come from gambling posters and gamblers alone some discussions about Bitcoin and other subjects that are years older that able to pull traffic for Bitcointalk.

Pretty sure theymos got's something up his sleeve as what many people here have thought since you can't just issue a massive change like this without weighing in the consequences, but at the same time it's better be good lol.

I'm pretty sure Theymos knows what he is doing he is the Admin he has the comprehensive traffic stat of the forum, apart from the public stat here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=stats

[Myleschetty]

Bitcointalk is an original forum of Bitcoin and a birthplace of many other top projects where legends themselves were actively posting and what is altcoinstalks? By the way, I want to say that Bitcointalk was probably the only forum with signature campaign, are there any other forums like this one? Campaigns pay high rate today because this is the OG forum and has the highest traffic with a good SEO profile.
You say that if the traffic on altcoinstalks increases, so will increase the payrate but how is that going to happen? How will traffic grow on altcoinstalks? Explain me this part.

It has already grown since the ban of Mixers on Bitcointalk, with some of the forum's reputable members and many more having already transferred their accounts there. FYI, traffic to Bitcointalk increased when the signature campaign launched in 2011. Nobody expected Altcointalk to reach the level of Bitcointalk, but it is now on the right path to compete

The traffic of Bitcointalk don't only increased after the launch of signature campaign in 2011.
Mind you, Bitcoin is just 2years in 2011 and it's harr for an innovative digital monetary system to gain huge acknowledgment and that's what happened with this forum then. Another thing is that Bitcointalk backlink is more powerful than the forum in the subject and Bitcointalk it's also the number one in everything related with cryptocurrency if we're talking about forum.

Bitcointalk after 13 years has gained a huge number of backlinks for it to lose organic traffic, as the domain and the website aged, the search engines are giving it a, especially for any search engine keywords queries if one writer writes an article and that's the only subject in the internet and if some also write that unique subject here in Bitcointalk it will beat the other site even if it is written a year ahead, what subject Bitcointalk tackles it always landed in the first page and that's where generic traffic happens, as long as you are in the first two pages of the keyword you get organic traffic.
Study shows that Searches never get past three pages in their queries.

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Let's take off the forum thread author creating some keyword queries.  
There's still no way the forum will have the chance to compete with Bitcointalk in terms of organic traffic because the forum lacks quality UI/UX and it's somehow complicated and not easy to use when navigating some thread, or section to another.

[Jatiluhung]

The impact is only that more people teleport from btt to altt. But I hope that everyone who teleports can still maintain the security of their account on BTT. By not using the same password to be in different forums but with the same name. Because if one of the accounts in the forum has been successfully infiltrated by someone else, it will be the same as our accounts in other forums. So the most important thing is to have a different password for each account we have on other forums.

It's never recommended to use the same password across multiple accounts, but we now have an additional line of defense to protect Bitcointalk accounts. You have probably noticed that the forum now allows to set up 2FA. So, even if your password leaked, whoever gets their hands on it would also need the 2FA code, assuming that you set it up.

Now I only understand the importance of 2FA after hearing your explanation that the problem of password leaks can be solved with 2FA. Initially I ignored this feature because I still felt I didn't need this feature. But you are right that with 2FA our account security becomes thicker or more layered. Thank You

It seems I really have to thank the person who came up with the idea of ​​adding (optional) 2FA to this forum, namely PowerGlove. Thanks very much PowerGlove.  

[Saisher]

Now I only understand the importance of 2FA after hearing your explanation that the problem of password leaks can be solved with 2FA. Initially I ignored this feature because I still felt I didn't need this feature. But you are right that with 2FA our account security becomes thicker or more layered. Thank You

It seems I really have to thank the person who came up with the idea of ​​adding (optional) 2FA to this forum, namely PowerGlove. Thanks very much PowerGlove.  

I agree there's no fear of your password getting compromised or hacked because it will need a 2FA to log in here in Bitcointalk I used 2FA on all my emails and sites I had an account and I feel safe using a 2FA, we will seldom read topics about account getting hacked, there was even a thread where the account takes a loan without the knowledge of the member, with 2FA it will be prevented.
All we have to do is to protect our email its better to create a dedicated email for Bitcointalk.

[philipma1957]

Does it have posts by Satoshi, Hal, Vitalik & other crypto-luminaries of our time?

No, but it has posts by examplens, tranthidung, dkbit98, hugeblack, bitmover, Stompix, Rikafip, Igebotz and BlackHatCoiner among others. And so far I have counted 4 managers of signatures campaigns of this forum also there.

Does it have 12 years worth of content & backlinks? No.

Here's a quick comparison of the site's traffic metrics according to Similarweb:

Bitcointalk Global Rank: #39,778 Worldwide
Altcoinstalks Global Rank: #540,599 Worldwide

Bitcointalk Monthly Visits: 1.5 million
Altcoinstalks Monthly Visits: 45.4 thousand

Bitcointalk Traffic Sources: 42.54% Search
Altcoinstalks Traffic Sources: 10.45% Search

You look at the still photo, and I'm talking about the possible evolution.

I assume the campaigns there are paying peanuts compared to here.

At $40 to $45 a week when campaigns here pay between $70 and $120 for Legendary doesn't sound like peanuts to me.

Also, its got to be a complete spamfest,

A complete spamfest by examplens, tranthidung, dkbit98, hugeblack, bitmover, Stompix, Rikafip, Igebotz and BlackHatCoiner? Yeah sure. And every day new users are teleported.

We shouldn't blame the admin for removing Mixers he just wants to make the forum clean and safe.

I don't know why you're responding if you don't even read what I'm saying, and the other one talking about spamfest. I quote it to you to see if it is clear to you:

This is not to criticize theymos' decision to ban mixers,

Well I thank you for this info.

I will likely look to start posting there myself.

I am getting older and mining has been a grind for me.

I had a really good deal with an un named mixer.

It ended and I had to refund four months of prepaid btc. Well over 4,000 dollars.

I will continue posting here but likely less than I have.

I had planned to end mining and use the mixer signature to help with the transition.

[Pmalek]

I don't think that's going to be the least of their concerns or worries as I noticed that most users who got their accounts teleported from BTT to ALTT end up using the very same email they used to sign up to this site as well. Which means that regardless if they used the same password or not. A hacker determined to really get a hold of some BTT user's details will be able to use their email as an access pass without real issue.

Unless those users that you mentioned haven't hidden their email addresses in their Bitcointalk settings page, you can't possibly know that they have used the same email account on this forum and Altcoinstalk. I am guessing that 7/10 Bitcointalk users have hidden their email addresses from the public. I could be wrong, though. And hacking an email just because you want to isn't that easy if the user has a strong password + the all important 2FA, which can be set up on email accounts as well.

Now I only understand the importance of 2FA after hearing your explanation that the problem of password leaks can be solved with 2FA. Initially I ignored this feature because I still felt I didn't need this feature. But you are right that with 2FA our account security becomes thicker or more layered.

2FA can prevent a 3rd-party from gaining access to your account by entering your username and password. It's important to point out that it can't prevent data leaks. It can't prevent that the forum gets hacked and user data lands in the wrong hands. It only prevents unauthorized access if the second factor is active.

I will likely look to start posting there myself.

I am getting older and mining has been a grind for me.

I had a really good deal with an un named mixer.

It ended and I had to refund four months of prepaid btc. Well over 4,000 dollars.

I will continue posting here but likely less than I have.

I had planned to end mining and use the mixer signature to help with the transition.

Why go there only for the sake of advertising for mixers, which is no longer allowed on Bitcointalk, when you can join a different kind of signature campaign here? I don't see you as someone who is going to have difficulties finding someone willing to pay for your signature space.

[bitmover]

You look at the still photo, and I'm talking about the possible evolution.

Altcoinstalks is at a severe disadvantage in every relevant metric. No way its going to take a measurable traffic share from Bitcointalk. Did all the posters you mention "defect" from here to there? If they want to post over there as well, good for them, but I'd be very surprised if they stopped posting here.

Sig campaigns are the result of Bitcointalk's traffic, prestige & reputation; not the other way around.

Guess I just fail to understand what the problem here is.

That is exactly the point
I use many forums. You can also find me in stackoverflow and reddit.

There is no "spam fest". I think the forum is trying to evolve.

Now that bitcointalk is not the place to host the community of bitcoin mixer users, there is  gap. Altcoinstalk is trying to fill that gap. I see no problem at all. It might succeed or not.

Where will you go ask for help if you mix some coins and have problems? Or where will you go ask for information about which mixer to use? This is important, and bitcointalk used to be that place.

[DYING_S0UL]

Now I only understand the importance of 2FA after hearing your explanation that the problem of password leaks can be solved with 2FA. Initially I ignored this feature because I still felt I didn't need this feature. But you are right that with 2FA our account security becomes thicker or more layered. Thank You

It seems I really have to thank the person who came up with the idea of ​​adding (optional) 2FA to this forum, namely PowerGlove. Thanks very much PowerGlove.  

I agree there's no fear of your password getting compromised or hacked because it will need a 2FA to log in here in Bitcointalk I used 2FA on all my emails and sites I had an account and I feel safe using a 2FA, we will seldom read topics about account getting hacked, there was even a thread where the account takes a loan without the knowledge of the member, with 2FA it will be prevented.
All we have to do is to protect our email its better to create a dedicated email for Bitcointalk.

Exactly, if one forum gets compromised or data gets leaked, there is a high chance of loosing accounts on other forums or sites. That's why we should never reuse the same passwords on multiple sites and always use 2fa. Imagine your Bitcointalk and Bank account passwords are the same and this happens. Scary.

BTW, 2fa can also be compromised if the browser gets hijacked AFAIK.

Maybe I am derailing the main topic, sorry for that. 

[Synchronice]

It has already grown since the ban of Mixers on Bitcointalk, with some of the forum's reputable members and many more having already transferred their accounts there. FYI, traffic to Bitcointalk increased when the signature campaign launched in 2011. Nobody expected Altcointalk to reach the level of Bitcointalk, but it is now on the right path to compete

Okay, let's wait and see. I don't consider altcoinstalks as a threat in any way. There is always a place for high quality posters in high paying campaigns and if someone leaves bitcointalk because they aren't good enough to participate in current signature campaigns (which pay more than campaigns listed on altcoinstalks), then they can leave bitcointalk and move on campaigns that pay $40.

Mixers are not illegal and from what I've read the altcointalk forum is not hosted on the U.S jurisdiction so it's safe to say the forum is on a safer space than Bitcointalk.

It's not only about being legal and illegal. When you let services like that to promote on your website, you'll be in trouble. When you are a small guy, no one cares but when you have a big traffic and an active audience, then they care. If altcoinstalks grow, they'll have to deny mixer signature campaigns, if they don't grow, then no one will ever care. And if they don't grow, payments will remain low.

[philipma1957]

I don't think that's going to be the least of their concerns or worries as I noticed that most users who got their accounts teleported from BTT to ALTT end up using the very same email they used to sign up to this site as well. Which means that regardless if they used the same password or not. A hacker determined to really get a hold of some BTT user's details will be able to use their email as an access pass without real issue.

Unless those users that you mentioned haven't hidden their email addresses in their Bitcointalk settings page, you can't possibly know that they have used the same email account on this forum and Altcoinstalk. I am guessing that 7/10 Bitcointalk users have hidden their email addresses from the public. I could be wrong, though. And hacking an email just because you want to isn't that easy if the user has a strong password + the all important 2FA, which can be set up on email accounts as well.

Now I only understand the importance of 2FA after hearing your explanation that the problem of password leaks can be solved with 2FA. Initially I ignored this feature because I still felt I didn't need this feature. But you are right that with 2FA our account security becomes thicker or more layered.

2FA can prevent a 3rd-party from gaining access to your account by entering your username and password. It's important to point out that it can't prevent data leaks. It can't prevent that the forum gets hacked and user data lands in the wrong hands. It only prevents unauthorized access if the second factor is active.

I will likely look to start posting there myself.

I am getting older and mining has been a grind for me.

I had a really good deal with an un named mixer.

It ended and I had to refund four months of prepaid btc. Well over 4,000 dollars.

I will continue posting here but likely less than I have.

I had planned to end mining and use the mixer signature to help with the transition.

Why go there only for the sake of advertising for mixers, which is no longer allowed on Bitcointalk, when you can join a different kind of signature campaign here? I don't see you as someone who is going to have difficulties finding someone willing to pay for your signature space.

Well if you know me you know most of the time I never used a signature. Been here 11 going on 12 years.  Maybe did 3 or 4 years of signatures and 7 or 8 without.

I was prepaid for 6 months and had done 1 month with the unnamed mixer. They had to end and asked for 4 months refund. I thought if they are on altcoinstalk I would contact them and do an ad specifically for them.

If I were younger and still planned to mine I would not need the signature money.

I likely will end up doing a set of two signatures one here with a non mixer and one with a mixer on alt coin. they likely will be less than the 6 month deal I had. but maybe close enough to end mining. I am older my 67th birthday is in 4 days and mining only gets harder to do with age.

[Poker Player]

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I've seen that you have already been teleported. The only thing I would advise you to do is to try to get a customized deal, as hugeblack said.

You can get a special deal at $2.5 per post, so the best payment in ALTT is the same as the worst payment for an SR account in BTT.

And as you said, you can combine the two forums. With how much you write you can do a good job in both.

Good luck with it.

[mindrust]

Shitcointalks.com? I don’t have an account there and probably never will. Yobit tried to have their own forum and they failed miserably. The forum you are talking about is probably another wasteland. Even if somehow they have some conversation going on there, it won’t be any different than what happened on yobit’s forum. Mixers are advertising there now? Well, good riddance… If these mixers pay the same rate as they did in btt, then they are scamming themselves. I don’t think any real person reads that forum for real. It must be a massive spamfest. Still though, If any of you have a ranked acc there, go take advantage of it.

Bitcointalk Global Rank: #39,778 Worldwide
Altcoinstalks Global Rank: #540,599 Worldwide

This quote tells everything you need to know about that forum. They won’t last.

[Poker Player]

Bitcointalk Global Rank: #39,778 Worldwide
Altcoinstalks Global Rank: #540,599 Worldwide

This quote tells everything you need to know about that forum. They won’t last.

Another blind member who sees still photos instead of processes. In October 2017, which is when ATT was created, that difference sure was a lot worse. And you could have said that with much more reason. 7 years later it's still alive and kicking. As well as having a bunch of quality posters teleported from Bitcointalk there.

[philipma1957]

Bitcointalk Global Rank: #39,778 Worldwide
Altcoinstalks Global Rank: #540,599 Worldwide

This quote tells everything you need to know about that forum. They won’t last.

Another blind member who sees still photos instead of processes. In October 2017, which is when ATT was created, that difference sure was a lot worse. And you could have said that with much more reason. 7 years later it's still alive and kicking. As well as having a bunch of quality posters teleported from Bitcointalk there.

I am going to say something very simple.

I am a miner. I believe in turning watts into wealth.

This means POW may be good or bad.

I know of at least 4 or 5 POW coins I respect and have always done well mining.

So one of the most annoying this about Bitcointalk is "BTC good all else is shit."

Seems like a form of racism to me. But that's how I see it and I am just a guy in NJ,USA

So I know have two places to posts. I am going to try to cut a deal with the mixer that was forced to end here and that I promptly refunded over 4,000 usd worth of payments in late Dec.


and lets see those rankings in 30 more days.


Bitcointalk Global Rank: #39,778 Worldwide
Altcoinstalks Global Rank: #540,599 Worldwide

[mindrust]

Bitcointalk Global Rank: #39,778 Worldwide
Altcoinstalks Global Rank: #540,599 Worldwide

This quote tells everything you need to know about that forum. They won’t last.

Another blind member who sees still photos instead of processes. In October 2017, which is when ATT was created, that difference sure was a lot worse. And you could have said that with much more reason. 7 years later it's still alive and kicking. As well as having a bunch of quality posters teleported from Bitcointalk there.

So what are you really telling? Are they going to become as big as btt? They may get bigger as btt gets bigger but will they become bigger than btt just because they have the mixer campaigns?

I see some other user said it is easier to rank up there, if that’s the case, it is a good opportunity to make some extra income for those who have the extra time and dedication to raise an acc there.

I guess everyone has a different condition which makes them see this differently. For a person like me who has limited free time, it doesn’t make any sense to raise an acc there especially when that forum’s future is uncertain.

For somebody who doesn’t have a full time job, it is a nobrainer decision. Go and milk that forum.

[JollyGood]

Though you are right about those that do not have a full time job, there are also those that employ others to post for them while they themselves concentrate on building up other accounts. I recently tagged an account that used either AI or had someone with less understanding posting on his behalf and that is another aspect of what lengths some people go to in order to pocket some cash whether at this forum or elsewhere.

For somebody who doesn’t have a full time job, it is a nobrainer decision. Go and milk that forum.

[philipma1957]

It is too early to talk about any effect, only 17 days have passed.

I've noticed more people joining like mocacinno/BlackHatCoiner/witcher_sense in the last 24 hours.
I think ABCbits aka ETFbitcoin is the highest ranking member in terms of merits who join.

Honestly, there is quite a lack of quality discussions there. A fairly small number of members (mostly teleported from here) influence the quality of the conversation, and it is not easy to maintain continuity in writing meaningful posts. It's a good thing that the admin noticed an opportunity for the growth and improvement of the forum, so he works quite actively on it.

Let's wait and see how long will they be able to allow mixer advertisement on their forum. At the moment there is not a big traffic and nobody cares about their forum and when mixers will be banned, they will be forced to disallow its promotion.

Mixer ban is theymos' decision, there is no question of regulation, they are still legal services. So just a rule of the forum, not global at all. I think that the Alttalk admin himself confirmed that he has no intention of banning mixers, at least until it is not punishable to talk about them at all.

Look I will post 10 - 20 posts a day there but mostly so far I do not get much discussion.  I actually welcome its growth as I do not like the BTC good all the coins shit coins mantra that many practice here. (I maintain that there are about 4-6 good POW coins worth mining)


btw

https://altcoinstalks.com.webstatdata.com/

has 2,266 unique visitors
and 9,064 page views

Alexa rank is 371,541


this site loves them
https://www.similarweb.com/website/altcoinstalks.com/#overview

[SquirrelJulietGarden]

I maintain that there are about 4-6 good POW coins worth mining

Could you share those coins, please?

I see some good Proof of Work coins worth mining and worth to use for fund transfers too.
Dogecoin
Litecoin
Monero
Zcash
Ethereum Classic

Those PoW coins are best in network security but they of course can not compare with Bitcoin network.
https://howmanyconfs.com/