The effect the mixer ban has had on the forum.

[bitmover]

I didnt criticize you. I quoted you criticizing me. That is enterily different.

I am not confusing you with nutildah. You explicitly mentioned me, and he didn't

A complete spamfest by examplens, tranthidung, dkbit98, hugeblack, bitmover, Stompix, Rikafip, Igebotz and BlackHatCoiner? Yeah sure. And every day new users are teleported.

I got a notification for this.
@bitmover, I think you misunderstood Poker Player. As a counterargument to the @nutildah statement, about the opening of the spamfest, he mentioned these names with the question of whether this is expected of them as well. I'd say it even sounded respectable on his part.

Ok, sorry then . I am not native english speaker and might have missed something.

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[BlackHatCoiner]

A complete spamfest by examplens, tranthidung, dkbit98, hugeblack, bitmover, Stompix, Rikafip, Igebotz and BlackHatCoiner? Yeah sure. And every day new users are teleported.

Asides from my teleported message, I have never submitted a single post!  And yes, the rest are quality posters, but they're a really small minority.

Did all the posters you mention "defect" from here to there? If they want to post over there as well, good for them, but I'd be very surprised if they stopped posting here.

As an aforementioned user, I can assure you that altcoinstalks is a spamfest. Having "Coin Voting", "Bounties & Rewards" and "Aidrops & Giveaways" as the very first sub-boards visitors will immediately see, says it all.

[Igebotz]

As an aforementioned user, I can assure you that altcoinstalks is a spamfest. Having "Coin Voting", "Bounties & Rewards" and "Aidrops & Giveaways" as the very first sub-boards visitors will immediately see, says it all.

If you pay a little or more attention to the forum, you would have seen that there is a massive reshuffling going on right now, with open discussions on boards and sub-boards to be deleted.Things may be slower since the administrator does not sit behind the monitor and make choices; instead, he allows members to decide what is best for the forum. The ALT forum is more democratic, which is something we lack here.

There is no such thing as a spam-free forum; if you're waiting for the forum to be spam-free, you will wait forever.

[nutildah]

I took another look, tried to read what was going on there, and its pretty awful. Good god. What are y'all possibly thinking. It's not just a spamfest, its a Super Summer Spam Extravaganza.



Yes I know it would take me about 5 seconds to find a post equally as bad on this forum, but these types of post dominate over there. To each their own I guess. You guys have fun.

[Poker Player]

Asides from my teleported message, I have never submitted a single post!   And yes, the rest are quality posters, but they're a really small minority.

Well, I do take a look at that forum from time to time, but I don't get to the point of following everything you all do there. I simply put on that list those I saw teleported at the time.

As an aforementioned user, I can assure you that altcoinstalks is a spamfest. Having "Coin Voting", "Bounties & Rewards" and "Aidrops & Giveaways" as the very first sub-boards visitors will immediately see, says it all.

Again with the still photo. Fine, you keep the still photo and I'll keep the process. I feel like I'm going to have to repeat it a million times in the thread.

I took another look, tried to read what was going on there, and its pretty awful. Good god. What are y'all possibly thinking. It's not just a spamfest, its a Super Summer Spam Extravaganza.

Aside from the fact that you also insist on the still photo, I hope you are not saying this to argue with me because if what you mean is that as of today there is more spam there than here I agree.

[mrust_mobile]

https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=63.0

I actually thought to register for a second then I saw this thread above. Look at this beauty^

You actually lose your activity points when you stay inactive and you must buy an annual subscription for $100  (or $4/day wtf?) not to lose your activity points which you can do here in BTT forever for free. You can leave your account inactive for XX years here and you will find it perfectly fine when you return. (unless it gets hacked of course)

Ask experts? ($99/yearly sub)They are selling their knowledge for money... You can get all the information you need here for free. Some bitcoin devs are still reading this forum and even if you can't reach any devs, there are other people as informed as them will answer your questions for free just to help bitcoin adoption.

THEY DO IT FOR MONEY.

Trading classes? Are you fkn serious? How is this any different than those scam telegram channels where they shill you scam projects while they are dumping their positions? Imagine theymos giving TA lessons for money in this forum...

If you think  this is the most ridiculous one, you haven't seen nothing yet.

Forum users who have donated more than 0.1 ETH, to help with forum expenses.
- Ability to delete, modify their own posts, topics and polls.

Am I paying 0.1 eth to delete, modify etc my own posts?? I can modify my posts for free here for fucks sake. ~$222 to edit posts. Nice one.

There is even more don't just leave yet.


I saved the best one for the last.

This is where it all goes full retard.

They make you king but only till some one else pays more than you. And the price is 10.5 ETH for now, that's ~$22.4k. It doesn't take much smarts to see how can they scam you here. If the admin doesn't like your attitude, one of his sockpuppets can pay 11 eth and take away your title.


Conclusion:

This forum is trying to milk their users. If you go there and think you can milk them, think twice. Did theymos ever force any of you to pay for the forum expenses? Ever? This forum (shitcointalk) sells the basic forum features in the name of paying their expenses. (The expenses probably include a 50 feet long sailboat too) And you lose something when you don't post so they are forcing you to be active all the time (unless you pay to stay inactive)

This is worse than yobit's forum. This is a full blown pyramid scheme.

[NotATether]

Ask experts? ($99/yearly sub)They are selling their knowledge for money... You can get all the information you need here for free. Some bitcoin devs are still reading this forum and even if you can't reach any devs, there are other people as informed as them will answer your questions for free just to help bitcoin adoption.

Don't forget Bitcoin Stack Exchange. Absolute gold mine that. A few days ago I asked a question about default private key types and I got an answer from Pieter Wuille the next day.

Beside this place there is also r/bitcoin (becoming a bit spammy though) and Stacker News, although I guess these are not so oriented to "Expert Questions". And then there is the bitcoin-dev mailing list itself, which is.

[nutildah]

https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=63.0

I actually thought to register for a second then I saw this thread above. Look at this beauty^
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This is where it all goes full retard.

They make you king but only till some one else pays more than you.

Well done... This was some excellent research. Kudos.

My opinion of that forum... well, it didn't go up after reading this.

[EarnOnVictor]

As an aforementioned user, I can assure you that altcoinstalks is a spamfest. Having "Coin Voting", "Bounties & Rewards" and "Aidrops & Giveaways" as the very first sub-boards visitors will immediately see, says it all.

If you pay a little or more attention to the forum, you would have seen that there is a massive reshuffling going on right now, with open discussions on boards and sub-boards to be deleted.Things may be slower since the administrator does not sit behind the monitor and make choices; instead, he allows members to decide what is best for the forum. The ALT forum is more democratic, which is something we lack here.

There is no such thing as a spam-free forum; if you're waiting for the forum to be spam-free, you will wait forever.

Let me say I agree with you about the spam of a thing, once it is a public forum and media where anyone can just open an account and have access to it without prior screening to ascertain their adequacy and inefficiency, no one can prevent the spamming and other things that come with it. The place can only be moderated as we are seeing here and other places.

But for the democratic remarks, unless your words are not coherent with the word, I do not think you are right. Being slow to take action but allowing the forum users to make the decision in most cases looks more democratic to me. Since the alternative forum still wants more traffic, I am sure that they will be more open to advice and suggestions and be fast to implement it, but that is not what we use "democratic" for. They just want your idea (for now), a desperate way to move the forum forward and be like the competitor. But that doesn't mean they are more democratic, and with time when they are strong enough, you will see changes. I think Bitcointalk has never faked it, it has given the users a high level of freedom which can't be shortchanged for anything.

[BlackHatCoiner]

If you pay a little or more attention to the forum, you would have seen that there is a massive reshuffling going on right now, with open discussions on boards and sub-boards to be deleted.

There are? The only threads I can see in so-called "Bitcoin Forum" board are either duplicates of bitcointalk or simply uninteresting.

The ALT forum is more democratic, which is something we lack here.

Quite frankly, and that might sound harsh, but I don't want a democratic Internet board. I have enough of a democracy everywhere else. I prefer participating in a forum where an administrator promotes as much free speech as possible rather than depending on arbitrary rules favored by a get-rich-quick scheme.

Again with the still photo. Fine, you keep the still photo and I'll keep the process.

What photo? What process?

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That sums it up perfectly. Thanks for confirming that my account deletion request was a good choice.

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You stated this well, there are a lot of illogical and meaningless rules. Most of the common features can be purchased, which creates unnecessary clutter and ambiguity. However, I would not say that it is any kind of pyramid scheme, there is no one offers profit by asking for investment. At least not by the forum administration.

As far as I know, Alttalk was created as a response to Bitcointalk, when the marginalization of bounty programs, altcoins and all the other crap that comes with it started here. That's why it is primarily focused on those sections, while the discussion about Bitcoin is left to Bitcointalk, and there, more as curiosity, space is left for talks about Bitcoin. It is obvious (both here and there) that altcoins, shittokens and all the crap that comes with them, do not attract that much interest, hence the marginalization of that forum. It's the same thing with the altcoin discussion boards on this forum.

The forum has its token, which is the centre of the payment you mention. As far as I understand, members are rewarded for their activity with these tokens, which can then be exchanged for money or additional items on the forum. The construction may not be bad, but it is ridiculous for us who are used to all that (and even more) for free.

Now they faced serious things for the first time, with the arrival of several mixer signature campaigns that brought real money (probably the most money in the history of the forum) and in their way attracted people who would not just write rubbish.
The administration is overwhelmed with objections, complaints, and suggestions on the very functionality of the forum (Mainly by teleported users). We will see how he will handle the "crisis" situation. If nothing else, it is obvious that there is a will to improve.

[mrust_mobile]

I would not say that it is any kind of pyramid scheme, there is no one offers profit by asking for investment. At least not by the forum administration.

We will send 1% of tokens (erc20/BEP20) we receive to the monarch

Monarch rank is a ponzi/scam scheme. The price goes only up. You can’t sell your position and they offer you profits for your position.

I remember someone long ago came up with an idea for a crypto currency. You couldn’t sell your coins for a lower price than the market price. This forum rank reminds of that scheme.

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We will send 1% of tokens (erc20/BEP20) we receive to the monarch

Monarch rank is a ponzi/scam scheme. The price goes only up. You can’t sell your position and they offer you profits for your position.

I remember someone long ago came up with an idea for a crypto currency. You couldn’t sell your coins for a lower price than the market price. This forum rank reminds of that scheme.

You may have misunderstood something. Although I saw that there are some definitions of ranks that have been changed, the posts about it have not been updated (the admin promised to finalize and define the conditions related to the ranking soon)

This is the most recent:

PS2: The Monarch get the same features as VIP, but can be only 1 monarch, he/she is always addressed as your highness or your excellency, otherwise users suffer a negative karma. A monarch gets 1% of any bounty or airdrop we manage (exception our tokens), a monarch has a seat on the crypto senate.  To become the next monarch your donation should be higher than the previous. Now: 10.5 ETH. If you lose your monarch status (taken by another), you would stay as VIP.

https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315406.0

[mrust_mobile]

We will send 1% of tokens (erc20/BEP20) we receive to the monarch

Monarch rank is a ponzi/scam scheme. The price goes only up. You can’t sell your position and they offer you profits for your position.

I remember someone long ago came up with an idea for a crypto currency. You couldn’t sell your coins for a lower price than the market price. This forum rank reminds of that scheme.

You may have misunderstood something. Although I saw that there are some definitions of ranks that have been changed, the posts about it have not been updated (the admin promised to finalize and define the conditions related to the ranking soon)

This is the most recent:

PS2: The Monarch get the same features as VIP, but can be only 1 monarch, he/she is always addressed as your highness or your excellency, otherwise users suffer a negative karma. A monarch gets 1% of any bounty or airdrop we manage (exception our tokens), a monarch has a seat on the crypto senate.  To become the next monarch your donation should be higher than the previous. Now: 10.5 ETH. If you lose your monarch status (taken by another), you would stay as VIP.

https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315406.0

I fail to see a difference. My point stands.

[JollyGood]

Even though it has a lot of spam, it still seems to be in better standing than the Cryptotalk from by the Yobit team because that is almost completely full of spam.

I had a look at that donation page and ended up with a headache. There are far too many options: Patron, Royalty, Donor, VIP and Immortals. The lowest amount to donate is 0.05 ETH but as you scroll down the page a new donor rank (Monarch) appears.

Seriously, who would pay to receive special treatment:

"Special Treatment:

All above ranks get special treatment, here's some examples of perks:
- Get some of the tokens we collect from the different ICOs & Airdrops
- Get Speedy distribution of tokens
- Get access to some reserved sections of the forum
- Get 3 to 10 token distribution transaction fees covered by us."

It is still possible for members from here to register there to earn from signature campaigns without donating (just as most of us are doing when we use this forum) but keeping that aside, who is behind that forum? Rather than operate their alternative forum for crypto discussions to benefit the community they seem to be using it as a front to get as much money as possible via so-called donations.

https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=63.0

I actually thought to register for a second then I saw this thread above. Look at this beauty^


Conclusion:

This forum is trying to milk their users. If you go there and think you can milk them, think twice. Did theymos ever force any of you to pay for the forum expenses? Ever? This forum (shitcointalk) sells the basic forum features in the name of paying their expenses. (The expenses probably include a 50 feet long sailboat too) And you lose something when you don't post so they are forcing you to be active all the time (unless you pay to stay inactive)

This is worse than yobit's forum. This is a full blown pyramid scheme.

[mrust_mobile]

For 10+ eth, that special treatment better include a daily blowjob.

[BlackHatCoiner]

At this point, I wouldn't pay even 1 ETH for the entire altcoinstalks. Let alone, ten times that for "special treatment", lol.

[Igebotz]

At this point, I wouldn't pay even 1 ETH for the entire altcoinstalks. Let alone, ten times that for "special treatment", lol.

Now, explain why you teleported your account in the first place. I know 2-3 individuals who went for the mixers campaign, only to discover that the money was less than what a Senior receives here and began writing unfavourable reviews about the forum.

BTT also offer Evil IP fees and custom rank subscriptions, which are all optional rather than necessary, just like the ATL additional account packages. On the ALT forum, payment or subscription is not required; everything is completely free, just like here.

[Poker Player]

What photo? What process?

Well, I've explained it several times in the thread, but don't worry I'll repeat it. If you look at the title of the thread, this is about the effect that the mixer ban has had, and it has been, that many forumers have gone to altcoinstalk, for the moment being active in both forums. That to me is a pretty clear sign that if more restrictions were introduced, traffic would go elsewhere. When many of you argue that this forum has more quality or less spam than the other, I agree, but I don't look at whether there is more quality or less spam here now, I look at what has happened in less than a month and what could happen in the future.

....This is worse than yobit's forum. This is a full blown pyramid scheme.

Very good, lol. I had visited that forum but did not know what you are explaining. Sounds like desperation for money. That, along with worthless token and the ponzi look looks bad.

For 10+ eth, that special treatment better include a daily blowjob.

Lol. 

[BlackHatCoiner]

Now, explain why you teleported your account in the first place.

I have known about the pay rates there beforehand, if that's what you're curious to know. Otherwise, no offense, but it is none of your business.

If you look at the title of the thread, this is about the effect that the mixer ban has had, and it has been, that many forumers have gone to altcoinstalk, for the moment being active in both forums. That to me is a pretty clear sign that if more restrictions were introduced, traffic would go elsewhere.

It does have a rationale, I'm just struggling to imagine legitimate users moving into there. The list of red flags is endless. Bitcointalk is not restrictive, it just recently became a little more strict with advertising potentially darknet originating services. It's pretty much the opposite; free speech to the extreme.

To put it in this way: is there any reason to migrate to altcoinstalks other than to advertise mixers? To me, the answer is no.