The effect the mixer ban has had on the forum.

[LoyceV]

explain why you teleported your account

Allow me to announce right now that if you ever see my account "teleported", it's not me. I can't help what an untrusted third party website does, but rest assured I have nothing to do with it.

[Igebotz]

explain why you teleported your account

Allow me to announce right now that if you ever see my account "teleported", it's not me. I can't help what an untrusted third party website does, but rest assured I have nothing to do with it.

One must have access to your BTT profile to be able to teleport it. That's how it works 

Now, explain why you teleported your account in the first place.

I have known about the pay rates there beforehand, if that's what you're curious to know. Otherwise, no offense, but it is none of your business.

Fair.

[LoyceV]

One must have access to your BTT profile to be able to teleport it. That's how it works 

Any "admin" can make up anything they want.

[NotATether]

This is the most recent:

PS2: The Monarch get the same features as VIP, but can be only 1 monarch, he/she is always addressed as your highness or your excellency, otherwise users suffer a negative karma. A monarch gets 1% of any bounty or airdrop we manage (exception our tokens), a monarch has a seat on the crypto senate.  To become the next monarch your donation should be higher than the previous. Now: 10.5 ETH. If you lose your monarch status (taken by another), you would stay as VIP.

What the fuck?

Here on Bitcointalk, and with all due respect to Poker Player, I can disagree with him about something and not have to worry about getting red trust over it. But over there people can tag you because they are offended that you didn't call them "your highness"? What a joke.

[Synchronice]

Alexa is dead, those are false numbers. To be honest, I wouldn't rely on statistics given by those websites.

well you could be correct I have zero idea how to know website traffic reported is accurate.

How about if I sign in and out of this website 10 times an hour daily does it count at 240 visits or 1 ?

Some website owners have Google Analytics code on their website that counts traffic and many other useful data. Then these website owners connect their Google Analytics to similarweb.com and data acquired via this way is accurate but I highly doubt altcoinstalks or bitcointalk does that. So, when website owners don't connect their GA to similarweb, then the only way for similarweb to collect data is through 3rd parties that share and sell data to them and this can't be accurate, they aren't the result of analytics. So, it's just a brief estimation. If you sign in and out of the website for 10 times an hour a day, it won't count on similarweb if website's GA is not connected to them.

Which source for visitor numbers would you recommend or suggest using as a comparator for what could be deemed more accurate statistics?

There are some like semrush, ahrefs and so on but all traffic estimation tools only give you a broad guesses unless the website has google analytics script put on page and connect it to similarweb or any other traffic estimator.

[JollyGood]

To put it in this way: is there any reason to migrate to altcoinstalks other than to advertise mixers? To me, the answer is no.

Well, that has to be the only reason why forum members decided to teleport (and/or register other) accounts there. They knew they could get paid by posting in the other forum and knew mixers would be paying the highest rates therefore they followed where another revenue stream went. I have not read any reason from members stating they went there (or want to go there) in order to improve the other forum with their contributions.

This is the most recent:

PS2: The Monarch get the same features as VIP, but can be only 1 monarch, he/she is always addressed as your highness or your excellency, otherwise users suffer a negative karma. A monarch gets 1% of any bounty or airdrop we manage (exception our tokens), a monarch has a seat on the crypto senate.  To become the next monarch your donation should be higher than the previous. Now: 10.5 ETH. If you lose your monarch status (taken by another), you would stay as VIP.

What the fuck?

Here on Bitcointalk, and with all due respect to Poker Player, I can disagree with him about something and not have to worry about getting red trust over it. But over there people can tag you because they are offended that you didn't call them "your highness"? What a joke.

If a lack of "your highness" can destroy a reputation in that forum, just imagine what would happen to a reputation if you got on the wrong side of a group/gang/clique

[Igebotz]

Well, that has to be the only reason why forum members decided to teleport (and/or register other) accounts there. They knew they could get paid by posting in the other forum and knew mixers would be paying the highest rates therefore they followed where another revenue stream went. I have not read any reason from members stating they went there (or want to go there) in order to improve the other forum with their contributions.

I've been there since 2021 (before mixers) ; perhaps I was one of the few that went to improve the forum rather than because mixer went there. 

[dkbit98]

Instead of talking about bitcointalk forum after mixer ban, most of the people here started talking about other altt forum 
I can understand criticism about payments and weird rules there, but let's not forget about evil IP that is not available in any other forum, asking people to pay Bitcoin to complete registration is only available on Bitcointalk forum.
Another thing about funds for servers and money for maintaining website, it's easy to criticize others when bitcointalk collected enough money from donations and ads to last a lifetime 
https://bitcointalk.org/donate.html

[philipma1957]

To put it in this way: is there any reason to migrate to altcoinstalks other than to advertise mixers? To me, the answer is no.

Well, that has to be the only reason why forum members decided to teleport (and/or register other) accounts there. They knew they could get paid by posting in the other forum and knew mixers would be paying the highest rates therefore they followed where another revenue stream went. I have not read any reason from members stating they went there (or want to go there) in order to improve the other forum with their contributions.

This is the most recent:

PS2: The Monarch get the same features as VIP, but can be only 1 monarch, he/she is always addressed as your highness or your excellency, otherwise users suffer a negative karma. A monarch gets 1% of any bounty or airdrop we manage (exception our tokens), a monarch has a seat on the crypto senate.  To become the next monarch your donation should be higher than the previous. Now: 10.5 ETH. If you lose your monarch status (taken by another), you would stay as VIP.

What the fuck?

Here on Bitcointalk, and with all due respect to Poker Player, I can disagree with him about something and not have to worry about getting red trust over it. But over there people can tag you because they are offended that you didn't call them "your highness"? What a joke.

If a lack of "your highness" can destroy a reputation in that forum, just imagine what would happen to a reputation if you got on the wrong side of a group/gang/clique

I disagree with you. I specifically said some alts are decent POW coins and I want to make up for the $5000 worth of BTC I had to refund to my prepaid mixer when bitcointalk ended mixers.

So at least one person is saying 2 reasons for being there.

1) to get my $5000 back
2) to support the handful of alt pow coins I like

[JollyGood]

I looked through the posts, you are right there is at least one person saying he has two reasons for registering there. I wish you success in getting $5000 from your activities in that forum. Is the intention of getting $5000 from that forum via signature campaigns? I presume your support of liked POW coins will not provide a revenue stream if the intent is to post in their threads.

I disagree with you. I specifically said some alts are decent POW coins and I want to make up for the $5000 worth of BTC I had to refund to my prepaid mixer when bitcointalk ended mixers.

So at least one person is saying 2 reasons for being there.

1) to get my $5000 back
2) to support the handful of alt pow coins I like

[nutildah]

Instead of talking about bitcointalk forum after mixer ban, most of the people here started talking about other altt forum 

That is what this thread has been about since the first post.

I can understand criticism about payments and weird rules there, but let's not forget about evil IP that is not available in any other forum, asking people to pay Bitcoin to complete registration is only available on Bitcointalk forum.

That actually serves a legitimate purpose: to prevent spammers & other rulebreakers from registering dozens of accounts at a time. It has nothing to do with collecting profits, unlike every fee on the other forum.

Another thing about funds for servers and money for maintaining website, it's easy to criticize others when bitcointalk collected enough money from donations and ads to last a lifetime 
https://bitcointalk.org/donate.html

It is easy to criticize because it is so blatantly scammy.

[Poker Player]

One must have access to your BTT profile to be able to teleport it. That's how it works 

Any "admin" can make up anything they want.

It doesn't work like that, teleported people have a link to in their Bitcointalk profile that links to the Altcointalk profile. The Altcointalk admin can't log into your account here and put a link.

Instead of talking about bitcointalk forum after mixer ban, most of the people here started talking about other altt forum 

That is what this thread has been about since the first post.

Not exactly from the first post, but rather from your first replies that insist on talking about how bad that forum is and how cool this one is.

[nutildah]

That is what this thread has been about since the first post.

Not exactly from the first post, but rather from your first replies that insist on talking about how bad that forum is and how cool this one is.

You referenced it in your first post, and several respondents pointed out why that forum is bad to rebut your premise of there being a "danger of traffic transfer".

Nobody is going to stop posting here because of that forum.

Will discussion about specific mixers move from here to there? Possibly, but that's kind of the whole point of the mixer ban -- to discourage advertisement of mixers, whether it is direct, indirect or even accidental advertisement.

[mrust_mobile]

Any "admin" can make up anything they want.

It doesn't work like that, teleported people have a link to in their Bitcointalk profile that links to the Altcointalk profile. The Altcointalk admin can't log into your account here and put a link.

The admin can fake a LoyceV account there. The admin doesn’t have to follow his own rules. That’s what he meant.

That is what this thread has been about since the first post.

Not exactly from the first post, but rather from your first replies that insist on talking about how bad that forum is and how cool this one is.

Is he wrong thoe? That forum is a freakshow.

Your highness my ass

Here we can even neg trust the admin and he won’t go ape shit over it.

They even have a “crypto senate”. A crypto senate, a monarch, an admin goes to a bar…

[Poker Player]

Is he wrong thoe? That forum is a freakshow.

Of course he is wrong, and what you say proves it. Instead of talking about what can happen in this forum, you are talking about how bad he is. Then we have those who have been teleported who argue that that forum has improved and will probably improve further thanks to the teleported memebers. I wanted to talk about the effect here but once the thread was created I have no control over where the conversation is going.

The admin can fake a LoyceV account there. The admin doesn’t have to follow his own rules. That’s what he meant.

The administrator can do whatever he wants there, but if the teleported accounts have a link in this forum and LoyceV's does not have it, it will be clear that the administrator has been cheating.

 

[mindrust]

Is he wrong thoe? That forum is a freakshow.

Of course he is wrong, and what you say proves it. Instead of talking about what can happen in this forum, you are talking about how bad he is. Then we have those who have been teleported who argue that that forum has improved and will probably improve further thanks to the teleported memebers. I wanted to talk about the effect here but once the thread was created I have no control over where the conversation is going.

I don’t agree. That forum is not only bad, it runs on a ponzi scheme. The VIP members are the earlier ponzi participants and whenever a new sucker (monarch) joins and pays more than the sucker before, the prize pool gets bigger so are their profits.

If the reputable members of this forum want to be a part of this freak show, it is their choice…

[LoyceV]

But over there people can tag you because they are offended that you didn't call them "your highness"? What a joke.

Only if they pay for it
Like I said in another topic:

just because you dislike altcoinstalks, it does not make it suspicious.

Of course it's suspicious! Just like altcoins, ICOs, NFTs, DeFi and Ordinals, your forum is also created to make money for the creator. And like many others, you need Bitcointalk to promote your little scheme.

The "admin" responded by blaming the messenger:

you have trust issues bro
you admit also distrusting ethereum, bnb, xrp ...

I can understand criticism about payments and weird rules there, but let's not forget about evil IP that is not available in any other forum, asking people to pay Bitcoin to complete registration is only available on Bitcointalk forum.

Many other websites can't even be reached on Tor. At least Bitcointalk gives "evil" IPs an option.

[BlackHatCoiner]

They knew they could get paid by posting in the other forum and knew mixers would be paying the highest rates therefore they followed where another revenue stream went. I have not read any reason from members stating they went there (or want to go there) in order to improve the other forum with their contributions.

Well, that's the sad truth. I refuse to believe someone makes an account there for other reason than money. However, I don't believe the overwhelming majority in bitcointalk would voluntarily contribute to their fellow forum users either. Perhaps occasionally, but certainly not with the same eagerness and frequency.

I can understand criticism about payments and weird rules there, but let's not forget about evil IP that is not available in any other forum, asking people to pay Bitcoin to complete registration is only available on Bitcointalk forum.

Isn't there a list of users who can whitelist you for free?

Another thing about funds for servers and money for maintaining website, it's easy to criticize others when bitcointalk collected enough money from donations and ads to last a lifetime

That is precisely why no other forum can compete. When you have enough money to operate for years ahead, without ads, with paid moderation (even if not enough), even with a YouTube series, you can at least be the one with the aim to be as free as possible.

[AlttAdmn]

They knew they could get paid by posting in the other forum and knew mixers would be paying the highest rates therefore they followed where another revenue stream went. I have not read any reason from members stating they went there (or want to go there) in order to improve the other forum with their contributions.

Well, that's the sad truth. I refuse to believe someone makes an account there for other reason than money. However, I don't believe the overwhelming majority in bitcointalk would voluntarily contribute to their fellow forum users either. Perhaps occasionally, but certainly not with the same eagerness and frequency.

I can understand criticism about payments and weird rules there, but let's not forget about evil IP that is not available in any other forum, asking people to pay Bitcoin to complete registration is only available on Bitcointalk forum.

Isn't there a list of users who can whitelist you for free?

Another thing about funds for servers and money for maintaining website, it's easy to criticize others when bitcointalk collected enough money from donations and ads to last a lifetime

That is precisely why no other forum can compete. When you have enough money to operate for years ahead, without ads, with paid moderation (even if not enough), even with a YouTube series, you can at least be the one with the aim to be as free as possible.

BlackHatCoiner it is sad to see you leave altcoinstalks, but you can teleport back whenever you want, we will always welcome you with open arms.

Allow me, if you may, give my 2 cents on this discussion.
1- What are forums ? Do forums have a fighting chance against the many centralized platforms ? In the past forums were the way to discuss a topic, now you have facebook groups, subreddit, discord and so on ...

2- What is the purpose of bitcointalk or other crypto forums ? Educating ? Ok, but there are now so many resources out there that are more user friendly and search engine friendly ... And better researched, concise ...

3- Making money is the reason 99% of people got in crypto, some invested, other joined bounty campaigns and some launched some crypto coins, yes a lot want to discuss crypto, but as stated in point 1, they now have a lot of alternatives.

4- Bitcointalk have enough money to last a lifetime, but Altcoinstalks will evolve with time, we will do everything required and needed to stay relevant in a highly changing world. We do not have the money but we have the will and determination to be of service to the crypto community.

5- We do not see Bitcointalk as the enemy,  anyone seeing Altcoinstalks as such, is narrowminded.

[BlackHatCoiner]

1- What are forums ? Do forums have a fighting chance against the many centralized platforms ? In the past forums were the way to discuss a topic, now you have facebook groups, subreddit, discord and so on ...

Forums are long surpassed by social media and messaging platforms like Discord in terms of traffic, and this is why I have stopped using forums. However, there are exceptions like this place where people can converse in a civilized and constructive manner. I just don't see this often in Reddit or Discord, and I definitely don't see it on Facebook groups. And I've noticed this myself; I just write more carefully in here.

2- What is the purpose of bitcointalk or other crypto forums ? Educating ? Ok, but there are now so many resources out there that are more user friendly and search engine friendly ... And better researched, concise ...

Believe me, if I didn't have bitcointalk, I wouldn't have a chance to possess the knowledge that I do; at least not in such a short time span. You can go and search my history when I was a newbie; it might even look as if another person was writing at that time. Maybe being relatively young played a big role too, but I'm pretty confident that I'd be incapable of distinguishing the truth just by surfing the web.

Making money is the reason 99% of people got in crypto

Look. I'm not gonna be that romantic crypto-anarchist who confidently ignores the thousand percent profit of their bitcoin investment, and just shifts to "Ideology is more important" or whatever. Granted, most people I know (including myself) are into crypto for making money. Hell, the Proof-of-Work mechanism depends on people driven from profit.

However, there are, indeed, genuine parts of cryptocurrency that can radically change society if taken seriously, with the most important being detaching state intervention from money creation. And of course, being permissionless (which brings me back to why I got into Bitcoin), private, censorship-resistant, transparent, and always available for me. It would be unforgivable if we ignored the initial purpose that set stone to the concept of a cryptocurrency. And truth be told, 99.9% of the altcoins ignore these principles and exist solely for the financial gains.

4- Bitcointalk have enough money to last a lifetime, but Altcoinstalks will evolve with time, we will do everything required and needed to stay relevant in a highly changing world. We do not have the money but we have the will and determination to be of service to the crypto community.

Good for you, I just don't feel like I belong in an Internet board surrounded by what I'd make fun of in this place.