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February 04, 2024, 09:53:24 AM
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If the heart asks, it is better to use it in a gentle way without any violence. It is better to understand the character of a gambling addict before starting, because both methods have good and bad sides. If the gambling addict is short-tempered, it is better to use it in a gentle way. If the addict tends to keep quiet, use rather harsh methods, don't be fooled by the gambler, usually they are very clever at hiding things and tend to lie.

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February 04, 2024, 09:56:32 AM
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For me it's little bit hard and challenging if we will help one of our family members away from gambling cause there's a chance that they will get angry with us but it won't happen if we slowly teach them how to leave in addiction we should have them a good and true happiness outside in gambling world. Cause addiction is very serious illness  its too hard to handle it self so we need some people to help out in a gambling world.
I think it is impossible to advise those who have experienced gambling addiction and we tell them to stop gambling that they will scold us and will never listen to what we tell them about the gambling they have done has had a bad impact on themselves. If they want to leave their own gambling addiction then other people can suggest to stop and give them advice because if they don't want to stop then other people will not be able to stop their gambling activities.

No mate I think you can still advise an addict who has been very deep in gambling to stop depending on how well you understand such person, they can actually get angry when you approach them with the topic but once you are able to talk to them politely with good reasons, not being too proud or hurtful in your words ro them they csn listen to you.

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February 04, 2024, 10:41:24 AM
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If gambler is a family member then first it is necessary to talk with them gently and softly but if they don't understand and don't leave gambling then harsh words and harsh act is needed because when a person cannot understand with soft words then opposite way should be adopted.

 A person can understand but if we talk about bad things about gambling at early stage because once a person start to take loan for gambling and steal money for it then it becomes hard to talk with them because now he is out of control as from single mistakes he initiated multiples other mistakes and faults.



 

 

 

 

 

 


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February 04, 2024, 10:59:21 AM
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If the heart asks, it is better to use it in a gentle way without any violence. It is better to understand the character of a gambling addict before starting, because both methods have good and bad sides. If the gambling addict is short-tempered, it is better to use it in a gentle way. If the addict tends to keep quiet, use rather harsh methods, don't be fooled by the gambler, usually they are very clever at hiding things and tend to lie.
That means we have to look for ways to approach gambling addicts by trying to recognize their character. We cannot directly express our desire to help them cure their gambling addiction because that could offend them and they will say that they are still fine. Gamblers who are addicted to gambling are very good at hiding it from many people so we have to keep looking for ways to get them to admit their gambling addiction. Once he is willing to admit it, we can invite him to visit a rehabilitation center to cure his gambling addiction. We still have to try to continue to support him so that he can be enthusiastic about curing his gambling addiction because he really needs support from his immediate family.

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February 04, 2024, 11:57:58 AM
 #145

If the heart asks, it is better to use it in a gentle way without any violence. It is better to understand the character of a gambling addict before starting, because both methods have good and bad sides. If the gambling addict is short-tempered, it is better to use it in a gentle way. If the addict tends to keep quiet, use rather harsh methods, don't be fooled by the gambler, usually they are very clever at hiding things and tend to lie.
Gentle methods usually work better for gambling addicts who have a hard or quiet character, even though it may indirectly take a long time to cure them, it doesn't matter as long as it doesn't hurt our families who are addicted to gambling, because harsh methods will usually leave an impression and damage their mental health. so it won't be good in the end, even though you might be able to stop gambling completely, it's best to gently not ask him to stop completely but start by reducing it slowly.

Bad habits cannot be stopped if you are used to doing them, but what you can do is reduce your activity in gambling so that you don't really do this habit all the time because it is difficult to cure gambling addiction, which at a high level can take years. My gambling friend needs to it took him about 5 years to be able to stop completely because he was a slot gambling addict, since his family left him he began to realize and regret it by rebuilding what he had broken, but the way he did it was in a gentle way, not too much pressure and force to quickly stop but go through the process over time until it stops completely.

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February 04, 2024, 12:08:15 PM
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For me it's little bit hard and challenging if we will help one of our family members away from gambling cause there's a chance that they will get angry with us but it won't happen if we slowly teach them how to leave in addiction we should have them a good and true happiness outside in gambling world. Cause addiction is very serious illness  its too hard to handle it self so we need some people to help out in a gambling world.
I think it is impossible to advise those who have experienced gambling addiction and we tell them to stop gambling that they will scold us and will never listen to what we tell them about the gambling they have done has had a bad impact on themselves. If they want to leave their own gambling addiction then other people can suggest to stop and give them advice because if they don't want to stop then other people will not be able to stop their gambling activities.

No mate I think you can still advise an addict who has been very deep in gambling to stop depending on how well you understand such person, they can actually get angry when you approach them with the topic but once you are able to talk to them politely with good reasons, not being too proud or hurtful in your words ro them they csn listen to you.


I get your point, and it is valid. Depending on how close you are to the person and how well you know the situation, you can still talk and open it up and try to take your advice in a polite way that the person will be able to adopt, though don't expect that it will be easily taken as knowing most of those gambling addicted person mostly have that a kind of attitude that they are denying their addiction,

Unless they are accepting it already and just like what you said, depending on the situation still.

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February 04, 2024, 12:28:55 PM
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Calm will also result for them to think that they can go over you and in time you might not know that you are already following them into being a gambler lol.
most of addicted people does not know calmness instead they are looking for things that can easily supply them what they need and what they can earn from that addiction.
There is no perfect approach here, but the calm approach seems to produce better results when compared to the aggressive approach which makes a lot of sense if you think about it.

Helping the addict to meet a psychologist is even better than both of these strategies in my honest opinion.

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February 04, 2024, 02:25:13 PM
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1. Talk to them and don't leave their side for too long, show them some love and make sure they don't have anything to do with gambling ever again, be soft and gentle with them.

2. Be harsh about it, force them to quit, let them know that gambling isn't this safe, bounce on them all the time because you love them, don't go any soft on them, because been soft won't make them see reasons why it's bad to be a gambling addict.
The two methods will work depending on the person. But the less likely to work out of the two methods is the second. I believe that we cannot achieve much when trying to help someone change a habit by use of force or harsh method. If you want to help them, get them professional help, so they can see reason why the habit they are picking up will be bad for them.

If you are harsh about correcting some kind of habits like this, your family or friend that you are trying to correct may react obstructively to your correction, pretend like they have taken correction and continue the habit in secret. Correction has to be carefully and decisively done.

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February 04, 2024, 03:08:03 PM
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1. Talk to them and don't leave their side for too long, show them some love and make sure they don't have anything to do with gambling ever again, be soft and gentle with them.

2. Be harsh about it, force them to quit, let them know that gambling isn't this safe, bounce on them all the time because you love them, don't go any soft on them, because been soft won't make them see reasons why it's bad to be a gambling addict.
The two methods will work depending on the person. But the less likely to work out of the two methods is the second. I believe that we cannot achieve much when trying to help someone change a habit by use of force or harsh method. If you want to help them, get them professional help, so they can see reason why the habit they are picking up will be bad for them.

If you are harsh about correcting some kind of habits like this, your family or friend that you are trying to correct may react obstructively to your correction, pretend like they have taken correction and continue the habit in secret. Correction has to be carefully and decisively done.

None of it will work unless the addict himself wants to change himself. Even if there is a professional that will lead him to do this but if he is not trying both will fail.

Just like smoking habits, the person will not stop until something happens and he voluntarily wants to get rid of this habit. Even the person who willingly wants to get rid of the habit will have a hard time, sometimes they will sneak around because old habits die hard.
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February 04, 2024, 03:08:48 PM
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Depends on his/her personality. To some people being authoritarian would work more but to some it would be better to be gentle with them. But in most instances, it would be better not to push things givej that addiction is the concern with the mentioned subject or family member. Given that it is addiction, being harsh and forcing them to quit won't solve the problem. It will just possibly result to another conflict which is between the two of you. What you need to do is to understand the situation of him and not on your perspective alone. Things are not easy for people who are suffering from addiction. Of course everyone knows it is bad to gambling too much so they won't be in such state for nothing and that's what you need to understand.

Take it with small steps. Isolate and give companion on his end to enjoy time and eventually forgot the drive he was having with gambling. Things won't happen in an instant. Keep in mind that it is a family member to you which means you need to consider more of his well-being than to be too subjective of what is right and what is wrong that they have done.

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February 04, 2024, 07:09:32 PM
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If we advise a gambling addict sarcastically, then it is like putting out a fire with kerosene. Where instead of the fire being extinguished, it only got bigger. And if that's the way to give advice, then what's the difference between us and them, who are just as stubborn, don't want to give in and are easily provoked by emotions?

When we are faced with a gambling addict and intend to advise him to recover from this addiction, then we are required to have extra patience. Because as I said earlier, they are stubborn, don't want to give in, are easily provoked by emotions, are temperamental, always feel they are right and don't want to accept the truth. To be able to make them aware of their bad behavior, it is not as easy as turning the palm of your hand, where we have to do it slowly. We cannot at our initial meeting immediately advise him, where as much as possible we must create a feeling of comfort for him towards us until there is no longer any awkwardness between the two of them and slowly we must be able to enter his subconscious. And when we succeed at that point, then without being asked, the gambling addict will slowly talk about his problems in gambling.

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Depends on his/her personality. To some people being authoritarian would work more but to some it would be better to be gentle with them. But in most instances, it would be better not to push things givej that addiction is the concern with the mentioned subject or family member. Given that it is addiction, being harsh and forcing them to quit won't solve the problem. It will just possibly result to another conflict which is between the two of you. What you need to do is to understand the situation of him and not on your perspective alone. Things are not easy for people who are suffering from addiction. Of course everyone knows it is bad to gambling too much so they won't be in such state for nothing and that's what you need to understand.

Take it with small steps. Isolate and give companion on his end to enjoy time and eventually forgot the drive he was having with gambling. Things won't happen in an instant. Keep in mind that it is a family member to you which means you need to consider more of his well-being than to be too subjective of what is right and what is wrong that they have done.
Yes, understanding and sensitivity are important, but let's face addiction's facts. Not just a poor habit, but a complex brain disorder. You say to take little steps and be companionable, but are we reaching the mark? People, addiction rewires the brain. It's about dopamine, reward circuits, and other neuroscience that doesn't disappear with handholding. No need to be a dictator, but too subtle a nudge is like speaking into the wind. A good plan and systematic support are needed. We shouldn't vilify all gambling while supporting it. Responsible recreational gambling exists. Joy should be refocused, not taken away. We should be clear-eyed about our situation. It's not just about being there; it's about being there effectively

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February 04, 2024, 07:49:27 PM
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Depends on his/her personality. To some people being authoritarian would work more but to some it would be better to be gentle with them. But in most instances, it would be better not to push things givej that addiction is the concern with the mentioned subject or family member. Given that it is addiction, being harsh and forcing them to quit won't solve the problem. It will just possibly result to another conflict which is between the two of you. What you need to do is to understand the situation of him and not on your perspective alone. Things are not easy for people who are suffering from addiction. Of course everyone knows it is bad to gambling too much so they won't be in such state for nothing and that's what you need to understand.

Take it with small steps. Isolate and give companion on his end to enjoy time and eventually forgot the drive he was having with gambling. Things won't happen in an instant. Keep in mind that it is a family member to you which means you need to consider more of his well-being than to be too subjective of what is right and what is wrong that they have done.
Yes, understanding and sensitivity are important, but let's face addiction's facts. Not just a poor habit, but a complex brain disorder. You say to take little steps and be companionable, but are we reaching the mark? People, addiction rewires the brain. It's about dopamine, reward circuits, and other neuroscience that doesn't disappear with handholding. No need to be a dictator, but too subtle a nudge is like speaking into the wind. A good plan and systematic support are needed. We shouldn't vilify all gambling while supporting it. Responsible recreational gambling exists. Joy should be refocused, not taken away. We should be clear-eyed about our situation. It's not just about being there; it's about being there effectively
He probably based on the two options mentioned by OP. Of course if it is being objective then best thing to do is to let professionals do their thing about the case and the rest will be on the procedures and 'treatments' to be done in order for the main subject to escape from addiction. Given that there are conditions such as being a family member, then things should be specified with the coping his family members would do. Choices are to be harsh or to be soft speaking to the addicted member if the family and practically viewing, no addiction will be aided completely with just being strict of how things should be done even if they/he already knows it but still became a victim of gambling addiction.

On my end, I would be preferring a strict or harsh way to help me quit gambling but to other gamblers who are suffering as well with the obsession, being or showing more empathy on them. Quite of a matter between reward and reinforcement and how things should be really done.

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February 04, 2024, 07:53:56 PM
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teaching them in a gentle way is much better in a rough way, usually gambling addicts usually have unstable temperaments, they get emotional easily, so why fight if we want to advise them, taking them to a place of worship to do physical activity together will much better help them to stop When playing gambling, keep an eye on it and gently prohibit it

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February 04, 2024, 07:59:12 PM
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If the heart asks, it is better to use it in a gentle way without any violence. It is better to understand the character of a gambling addict before starting, because both methods have good and bad sides. If the gambling addict is short-tempered, it is better to use it in a gentle way. If the addict tends to keep quiet, use rather harsh methods, don't be fooled by the gambler, usually they are very clever at hiding things and tend to lie.
That means we have to look for ways to approach gambling addicts by trying to recognize their character. We cannot directly express our desire to help them cure their gambling addiction because that could offend them and they will say that they are still fine. Gamblers who are addicted to gambling are very good at hiding it from many people so we have to keep looking for ways to get them to admit their gambling addiction. Once he is willing to admit it, we can invite him to visit a rehabilitation center to cure his gambling addiction. We still have to try to continue to support him so that he can be enthusiastic about curing his gambling addiction because he really needs support from his immediate family.
why do you have to go to rehabilitation, why not try to take him to go and relax, it will make him enjoy it more, besides, we as a family have to have a special approach to show affection for him, that we really care about him, if you take him to rehabilitation it seems not very good, building harmonious family relationships will show real results

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February 04, 2024, 07:59:58 PM
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If we advise a gambling addict sarcastically, then it is like putting out a fire with kerosene. Where instead of the fire being extinguished, it only got bigger. And if that's the way to give advice, then what's the difference between us and them, who are just as stubborn, don't want to give in and are easily provoked by emotions?

When we are faced with a gambling addict and intend to advise him to recover from this addiction, then we are required to have extra patience. Because as I said earlier, they are stubborn, don't want to give in, are easily provoked by emotions, are temperamental, always feel they are right and don't want to accept the truth. To be able to make them aware of their bad behavior, it is not as easy as turning the palm of your hand, where we have to do it slowly. We cannot at our initial meeting immediately advise him, where as much as possible we must create a feeling of comfort for him towards us until there is no longer any awkwardness between the two of them and slowly we must be able to enter his subconscious. And when we succeed at that point, then without being asked, the gambling addict will slowly talk about his problems in gambling.

I think the word persistent would be good for qualifying an addict instead of stubbornness. They're actually persisting to keep up with their habit. It then looks like stubbornness to people around him, as he'd hardly adhere to their advice or instruction to him. However, when in the midst of an addict, it's crucial to help out using any strategy available, other than being aggressive. Carefully, offering out some gambling tips and ways he could manage his funds helps the addict a lot. Building rapport with him is key. He faces trouble in gambling every day and would want to discuss with someone he can trust, who wouldn't yell or talk against his habit. Being there for him as a close friend, will open up a space for sharing of ideas and techniques that can change the thoughts of the gambler. However, it's a long-term process and the addict also need to be as comfortable as possible with the person. If not, he may not release relevant information about the level of his gambling addiction.

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February 04, 2024, 08:22:44 PM
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You can't be too gentle because that will make the guy feel like you're giving him suggestions, but don't be too harsh or you'll make an enemy out of him. If you push an addict, at some point the addict will feel like you don't want what's best for him and will start to ignore you or fight back. You want the person to realize that you're not doing it for yourself but want what's best for him.

What I'd do would depend on how damaging the person would be to themselves and people around them. You should have a different approach to a person who lies to you and steals from you, than you'd have towards someone who gambles to problems of life. There's so many types of gamblers and many levels of addiction so I can't give you a general advice that would fit them all.

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The first approach would be the best in my opinion. You can’t force a person to stop gambling if they are already addicted. If the pressure becomes too much, they may gamble behind your back or cut your off from their lives. To quit an addiction, the addict has to first come to terms with the reality that he has a gambling problem. Conversations with family members and loved ones will help the person deal with their problem.

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February 04, 2024, 09:49:32 PM
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None of it will work unless the addict himself wants to change himself. Even if there is a professional that will lead him to do this but if he is not trying both will fail.

Just like smoking habits, the person will not stop until something happens and he voluntarily wants to get rid of this habit. Even the person who willingly wants to get rid of the habit will have a hard time, sometimes they will sneak around because old habits die hard.
Only the gambling addict himself really wants to change himself to want to cure himself of his gambling addiction. If not, he will still be a gambling addict without anyone being able to get him out of his gambling addiction. And he will also get deeper into gambling, and it could even get worse.

But when he voluntarily wants to get rid of this habit, he will admit his gambling addiction and will ask for help from the people around him to help him cure his gambling addiction. He would really do a lot of things so that he could cure his gambling addiction. And even though they will encounter difficulties, they will not give up because they already have the desire to cure their gambling addiction.

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February 04, 2024, 10:23:21 PM
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The first approach would be the best in my opinion. You can’t force a person to stop gambling if they are already addicted. If the pressure becomes too much, they may gamble behind your back or cut your off from their lives. To quit an addiction, the addict has to first come to terms with the reality that he has a gambling problem. Conversations with family members and loved ones will help the person deal with their problem.
But at least you are trying out to help them or give out advises but somewhat its true on what you have said that it would really be that still depending with their own self realizations.
We do know that there would really be that sense of responsibility on the time that they would really be doing gambling. Now that if its one of the family members had fall down into such addiction
then this is where they would really be making themselves that doing those impulsive things on which it would really be that become the result on messing up your life with.
As part of the family then it would really be just that right that you should really be helping them at least since its our family.

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