USE OF CHAT GPT-RULES

[Faisal2202]

I know that there are probably rules, somewhere that I haven't looked. In general I feel like noboby has really posted Rules to Chat GPT. Of course I know its foolish to use it direcly as if you are the one who created the text/thought but what about quoting? And What about as a research tool? Chat GPT really helps to you skip the learning curve if you know how to use it correctly. It has helped me loads with simply understanding complex thought that I didn't undertand. I just made a post quoting Chat GPT and I don't even know if that was following the rules. If we can't avoid it which we definitely can't, that means that Chat GPT is veriy similar to BTC in this aspect lol. What do you guys think about Chat GPT? I'd love a Btalk Bot that has kind of like a chat GPT engine but geared direclty towards helping the users/ newbies with literally anything. Would love to see this THEYMOS! I wonder if this has been discussed?

Direct use of GPT in making posts is equal to plagiarism and plagiarism is not allowed in this forum, and if one gets caught he will be banned in no time. Talking about using GPT to learn the lessons, or learning something that you don't know before, for example, you read some post here, you don't know about it, or the words you heard are new to you, (consider, the topic is in Bitcoin discussion section and you are a regular there) and you searched about them on GPT and learned each and everything just for the sake to give the reply in your own words, then I don't think there is anything bad in it, because we all learn things due to some reasons. The amazing thing is, that same thing will be used who know so many times in other posts as well. So giving a reference is not important, that's what I think.

And talking about a Btalk Bot, Best of luck with that and with admin, heheh just kidding, I mean, there are other things need attention and you want a Btalk Bot, that's great by the way. Not trying to dishearten your idea, only trying to say why would need a Btalk Bot for such things, while we will still use the GPT's API, and that's not a hard task, if you know a little bit of programming, you can make your self a one in the form of extension. That's really not that hard. But there are many already been made so there is no need.

[ABCbits]

And What about as a research tool? Chat GPT really helps to you skip the learning curve if you know how to use it correctly.

Skip learning curve or just save some time?

If we can't avoid it which we definitely can't, that means that Chat GPT is veriy similar to BTC in this aspect lol.

But ChatGPT is black box, while Bitcoin isn't.

What do you guys think about Chat GPT? I'd love a Btalk Bot that has kind of like a chat GPT engine but geared direclty towards helping the users/ newbies with literally anything.

Literally anything? I've seen ChatGPT or similar AI create wrong or even harmful information.

[Lucius]

I know that there are probably rules, somewhere that I haven't looked.

There are no official or unofficial rules regarding the use of artificial intelligence on the forum, and this is definitely something that the administration should seriously deal with so that finally even those who seek justifications for using it in an unethical way know what awaits them if they want to go in that direction.

Chat GPT really helps to you skip the learning curve if you know how to use it correctly.

If it helps you understand some things in a faster and simpler way, that's fine for me personally. The problem is those people who use AI to create some content and then present it as their own - and I'm one of those who don't want to interact with robots on this forum.

If we can't avoid it which we definitely can't, that means that Chat GPT is veriy similar to BTC in this aspect lol.
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I've never used a single AI bot and I don't miss it at all in my life, which means that it can be completely avoided - unless you're under the influence of the mainstream media, which tells you every day that it's something completely normal and inevitable. Comparing AI ChatGPT and Bitcoin really makes no sense...

[jokers10]

That is the same way I see this, you can learn through any source but just don't publish them the same way, but if you must, reference it, it is as simple as that. Chat GPT is not lesser than the books, information and articles we sort for and read both online and offline, they are just information, but the issue is that you should not plagiarise, you should be natural and creative in writing it down and I do not think there should be any other special rule/consideration for that.

If you'd followed this topic in different places on the forum, you'd new that AI makes lots of mistakes, it is inaccurate. So when you compare it with books, it is an incorrect comparison. And main problem is that AI text is written in formal style in good English and that increases the reader's level of trust to that text, because it looks like written by some person deeply knowledgeable about the topic. And when you have reliable and fake facts in a mess, how can you know yourself which are which?

AI chats are to have fun, not to learn from them. And that's why it is even more worse when someone posts AI texts without references: an unprepared one even don't have a chance to know that all that rubbish is written by AI.

[alastantiger]

I just made a post quoting Chat GPT and I don't even know if that was following the rules.

As long as you mention the source (as you did) and properly format it you shoulnd't have any issues.

I do not see any issues here based on the conditions that AI didn't write the whole of the text for you, that you ensure to let your readers know that some stuff is written by AI, and lastly it is not a repetitive act. That is, if is not used frequently.

I'd love a Btalk Bot that has kind of like a chat GPT engine but geared direclty towards helping the users/ newbies with literally anything. Would love to see this THEYMOS! I wonder if this has been discussed?

We do not need a bot here on bitcointalk forum. It defeats the purposes of the why this is called a forum. Collinsdictionary.com defines a forum as, a place, situation, or group in which people exchange ideas and discuss issues, especially important public issues. From the definition, it is important that we exchange ideas amongs ourselves and not with a bot. If we start having conversation with bots then it is no longer a forum but a bot-rum.

[lovesmayfamilis]

I don't understand people who claim that using AI chat helps them learn. Where have all the other old, trusted sources gone? People have become so lazy that they cannot find information but trust what the robot provides them as the last authority. But these robots have been proven many times to make mistakes repeatedly.
Many AI tools can be interesting, but what ChatGPT writes by tearing words out of people's texts to make the text unique sometimes looks very absurd and difficult to read.
The world is so crazy about various inventions that people are ready to replace live communication with people with communication with robots. This goes to show how lonely many people get.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

I don't think this suggestion has been discussed before, but even if it has, I don't agree it should be implemented on this forum because this forum was created to be run by humans and not by bots. Despite the fact that humans have been on this forum and giving helpful replies, suggestions, and opinions to newbies for so many years now, newbies still keep being directed to this forum because of the authenticity of the information that they get from the forum.

If you are suggesting that a bot be implemented on this forum, then there should be no need for humans to share their ideas because it's assumed that the bot can provide every answer that anybody needs. 😶

Chat GPT may be useful to some people for a quick searches and studies, which can save time and stress (that's what I hear people say), but I don't think it should be added to the forum. If this bot gets integrated here , members on the forum may not want to think again about producing positive comments; every reply will come from a bot, and it can therefore be abuse.

I am still old school and using the old means to carry my research, as a matter of fact, I have not used to AI bots before and I don't have plans to use itit,  unless my brain stops working.

[Wapfika]

Chat GPT is simply just the modified/upgraded version of google search since it just collect data from the web and process it for you to become a whole thought on answering your question. The problem on using it you can’t verify all the details it provides since the source is not included.

I believe it’s better to do manual research and provide sources on your post so that you can filter what you are sharing here in forum. I only use chatGPT for my personal question when I need to have a quick answer then later on verify it. I never use it as reference to what I’m sharing in the public because I’m not confident that all chatGPT post is accurate.

[dkbit98]

What do you guys think about Chat GPT?

I think it's junk that is making people more lazy and stupid, and I would consider every use of chat-gpt from members in forum as plagiarism.
I would never implement anything like this in bitcointalk forum.

I'd love a Btalk Bot that has kind of like a chat GPT engine but geared direclty towards helping the users/ newbies with literally anything. Would love to see this THEYMOS! I wonder if this has been discussed?

Better ask your bot if theymos will allow this, you don't need to talk with other people or him anymore

And I suspect that one of your posts could be made with help AI generators!  


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484020

[Alpha Marine]

I think the rules about using Chat GPT are pretty straightforward to me. If you make a post that the content of the post belongs to someone or somewhere else without stating so then that's plagiarism.

As far as you reference the source of your post I don't see any law against that, although it won't make sense to make a whole post through AI, the same way it doesn't make sense for your full post to be a copy of a website page even if you insert the link to the article.

[roksana.hee]

I don't know about you but I prefer getting answers from real people instead chatbot.

I agree with these words. It's true that AI can't talk with people like real people. People very easily can identify the writing from ChatGPT. It's really simple. Here "Artificial intelligence or AI" leverages computers and machines to mimic the problem-solving and decision-making capabilities of the human mind. AI machines generate language. AI can't make a real speech like real conversation like real people in real-time.

AI generates many more conversations within a second not real conversations. You can check the passage AI generates, its atmosphere looks very worse or it can't express the real movement of real people.

[nutildah]

And I suspect that one of your posts could be made with help AI generators!  


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484020

Yes he mentioned that already in his first post:

I just made a post quoting Chat GPT and I don't even know if that was following the rules.

And the way he went about it was the correct way:

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CHAT GPT SAYS THE FOLLOWING after my below prompting to it after I searched the proccess of signing one's bitcoin address since I have never actually done so nor knew the potential risks assumed once done:


"Would signing that message in any way compomise the security of the private key? What are the drawbacks to doing this for ones security both of their keys and of their location?
ChatGPT
Signing a message with a Bitcoin address does not directly compromise the security of the private key, as the key itself is never exposed or transmitted during the signing or verification process. ...

[tread93]

I know that there are probably rules, somewhere that I haven't looked.

There are no official or unofficial rules regarding the use of artificial intelligence on the forum, and this is definitely something that the administration should seriously deal with so that finally even those who seek justifications for using it in an unethical way know what awaits them if they want to go in that direction.

Chat GPT really helps to you skip the learning curve if you know how to use it correctly.

If it helps you understand some things in a faster and simpler way, that's fine for me personally. The problem is those people who use AI to create some content and then present it as their own - and I'm one of those who don't want to interact with robots on this forum.

If we can't avoid it which we definitely can't, that means that Chat GPT is veriy similar to BTC in this aspect lol.
~snip~

I've never used a single AI bot and I don't miss it at all in my life, which means that it can be completely avoided - unless you're under the influence of the mainstream media, which tells you every day that it's something completely normal and inevitable. Comparing AI ChatGPT and Bitcoin really makes no sense...

One thing I will say is that you can choose to not use AI, but you can't choose to not have AI used on you. Also, I do agree with you on how the AI content is shared if it is used. Not giving credit is not okay. I don't blame you for not loving the idea of interacting with robots on the forum but i'm just saying for like a general user guide an section in your account settings help page where there lays an ai chatbot for the forum users that could help with anything they ask about the forum & help searching for certain posts, how to explain to new users how to post images or provide extra tips and tricks. Would that be such a terrible thing?

[Lucius]

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...but i'm just saying for like a general user guide an section in your account settings help page where there lays an ai chatbot for the forum users that could help with anything they ask about the forum & help searching for certain posts, how to explain to new users how to post images or provide extra tips and tricks. Would that be such a terrible thing?

I have to admit that your idea is very strange to me, because you think that the forum should integrate an AI chat bot with which users would then communicate in order to get answers to questions that can be easily found using the forum search option? I don't see anything positive here, except that we are going in the direction when forum members will communicate with AI bots instead of discussing with other members - because that is obviously a much easier approach in today's world.

However, considering how people think, I wouldn't be surprised if your wish comes true one day in the future - which means you just need to stay on the forum long enough.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Would that be such a terrible thing?

It would help if you noticed the response speed of users who answered the question on a new topic. This is not only fast but also allows the questioner to choose for himself the most understandable and useful answer. This is far superior to the AI responses, with their dry, lifeless, and sometimes incorrect answers.
Let's be proud that the forum remains untouched by technology and continues to be human, in the correct sense.
It's much cooler than chatting with a robot.

[Fiatless]

One thing I will say is that you can choose to not use AI, but you can't choose to not have AI used on you. Also, I do agree with you on how the AI content is shared if it is used. Not giving credit is not okay. I don't blame you for not loving the idea of interacting with robots on the forum but i'm just saying for like a general user guide an section in your account settings help page where there lays an ai chatbot for the forum users that could help with anything they ask about the forum & help searching for certain posts, how to explain to new users how to post images or provide extra tips and tricks. Would that be such a terrible thing?

It is better not to adopt what you think is helpful but cannot be controlled. Most of these chatbots are not easy to detect because there are so many detectors that are conflictual and inaccurate. It is better not to introduce anything like these machines in the forum because it will promote cheating and laziness.

The forum has a lot of materials in different sections that can guide anybody on how the forum works. Anybody who wants to learn about the forum should put in some work and not just want to get everything cheaply through a machine. The ability to put in some effort to learn about the forum should be a litmus test for members who are willing to stay on the forum. I don't think this forum will be better if it encourages members to learn through a machine that is causing more harm than good.      

[Hewlet]

Let's be proud that the forum remains untouched by technology and continues to be human, in the correct sense.
It's much cooler than chatting with a robot.

the only advantage of the chat GPT of a thing is that if you're totally clueless about a particular thing you are working on, it could guide you on the basic knowledge you need and then you go on with the rest of your research.

Because the information we receive in the forum is directly from human that will share their wealth of experience with you, you can't compare that kind of information to the one gotten from the use of the AI. Even when you're getting a view from someone that is less experience in the forum, it's always inferior compared to when you're getting information from an experienced person and you definitely don't want to imagine the level of false information chat GPT can provide sometimes.

[Asuspawer09]

I know that there are probably rules, somewhere that I haven't looked. In general I feel like noboby has really posted Rules to Chat GPT. Of course I know its foolish to use it direcly as if you are the one who created the text/thought but what about quoting? And What about as a research tool? Chat GPT really helps to you skip the learning curve if you know how to use it correctly. It has helped me loads with simply understanding complex thought that I didn't undertand. I just made a post quoting Chat GPT and I don't even know if that was following the rules. If we can't avoid it which we definitely can't, that means that Chat GPT is veriy similar to BTC in this aspect lol. What do you guys think about Chat GPT? I'd love a Btalk Bot that has kind of like a chat GPT engine but geared direclty towards helping the users/ newbies with literally anything. Would love to see this THEYMOS! I wonder if this has been discussed?

Quoting for sure is going to work and you're not going to have any issue with it, just to be safe you could quote Chat GPT directly as the writer of the quote so that the members know, Your not actually going to be in trouble if you are using it the right way, as a research tool for sure is for sure allowed, if you think about it that was actually convenient to learn something so easily or have an idea about something, what we just avoiding it is completely not doing anything using CHAT GPT directly and using it as an answer here in the forum, since that could just mean that you're not the one posting on your account, its the AI that is doing the work which is going to be plagiarism and use of bot, I mean this is an advancement in technology so they are not really going to disappear probably they are going to get better and better in the coming years for sure, what we need to do is just use it correctly.

I dont know about Btalk Bot, I just can't see the point of having it since this is the forum that is already what we do, helping each other directly by creating a thread or a topic and then replying on it as a direct answer to the question if we are going to have one, some BOT that answers questions about cryptocurrency or Bitcoin so we just replace the forum with a BOT just ask the BOT then no need to create topic anymore.

[Findingnemo]

AI generated threads started invading the forum soon after the launch of ChatGPT but thanks to the one who identifies and report those bots which is a thankless job. But as if now people may be using it with text spinning to meet the quota of their sig campaign but sooner or later they will get caught.

AI isn't having any purpose in a forum where real people interact even though the replies were incorrect will be corrected by the others and ultimately we all are here to learn something by sharing what we know and read what others posts and allowing chatbots will destroy the purpose.

[EarnOnVictor]

I don't know about you but I prefer getting answers from real people instead chatbot.

AI generates many more conversations within a second not real conversations. You can check the passage AI generates, its atmosphere looks very worse or it can't express the real movement of real people.

About AIs generating conversations in seconds, I must say I agree with that. But I strongly disagree that their work can't look like real people's work. It only depends on the AI you are using, how you've set/trained it and how you are patient about the conversation you want it to achieve for you and how actually want this to be viewed.

The issue is that many who are using the AIs are lazy, they want the job done so fast, so they are not actually giving it time to perfect what they want. To be honest with you, some AIs will deliver some jobs to you and you can still proceed to edit it to make it more fitting. That's for those who want to at least add effort to what the AIs have done for them, but not the bunch of lazy chickens just wanting to spam.