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February 08, 2024, 09:24:32 AM
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Banks are essential whereever you life - can you find any alternative to them - yet? that is easy to use and everyone accepts is and has access to it? Nope, I dont and I am sure you dont as well.

While I do appreciate the enthusiasm to find an alternative and pitch crypto as the savior, you need to improve its acceptance in the locality first. Maybe then the government will take notice and do something different?

OP also needs to improve on their way of presentation of facts and conclusions.

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February 08, 2024, 12:30:20 PM
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If you live in a place where there's a president or king that has a control, you need to obey with every rules and regulations. If you don't want to get controlled, you need to move away to unclaimed lands and do what you want on there. You will realize it's more harder to start build a place to live alone from scratch than working for few years to get it.

Ultimately, I believe the best option for poor people is to invest in themselves through education, such as attending college, to gain skills and knowledge that can help them improve their circumstances.
Everyone knows to escape from poverty, many people always say get education, learn a new skill, working abroad etc. But the reality, there's always a poor people in everywhere.

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February 08, 2024, 01:25:54 PM
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Farmers can only produce food needs from their land, but do not have the power to control market prices. The hardships felt by farmers due to government policies are not in their favor. The government's efforts to protect farmers from the misery of the poverty line are very minimal, the government prefers to import all basic necessities which makes market prices plummet further due to the abundant supply of goods. The prosperity of farmers must receive support from the government, the snowball effect can be prevented by providing land for farmers and keeping the selling value of basic commodities high.

Leave your goverment currency and issue your own Community money.
Who can do it, farmers do not have the authority to issue their own Community money and the government will not support the idea, this is the same as building a house inside a house.

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February 08, 2024, 03:19:04 PM
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Banks are essential whereever you life - can you find any alternative to them - yet? that is easy to use and everyone accepts is and has access to it? Nope, I dont and I am sure you dont as well.

While I do appreciate the enthusiasm to find an alternative and pitch crypto as the savior, you need to improve its acceptance in the locality first. Maybe then the government will take notice and do something different?

OP also needs to improve on their way of presentation of facts and conclusions.
Although banks undoubtedly have a throne, will we merely sit there and give in? No. Yes, you are correct; there is currently no widely acknowledged substitute for what they are searching for. However, ignoring cryptocurrency? That is our point of divergence. One does not become accepting by maintaining the existing quo. Acceptance begins somewhere. Banks should be complemented and given options rather than being completely overthrown overnight

Do you wish to be accepted in the neighbourhood? Start out tiny. Tell, show, and incorporate. When citizens do, don't governments take note and adjust? Rather than them, it starts with us. Presentation by the OP? Although there is room for improvement, remember that there is more than meets the eye. The essentials? There it is, crystal clear. It's high time that we all realised that the financial landscape is changing

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February 08, 2024, 05:37:55 PM
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Banks are essential whereever you life - can you find any alternative to them - yet? that is easy to use and everyone accepts is and has access to it? Nope, I dont and I am sure you dont as well.

While I do appreciate the enthusiasm to find an alternative and pitch crypto as the savior, you need to improve its acceptance in the locality first. Maybe then the government will take notice and do something different?

So far I believe and indeed I feel that the presence of banks really helps people whether they are poor or rich and I think so far nothing can replace the role of banks in people's lives, some alternatives that look pretty good like crypto which on the other hand can make people know more and feel about its benefits in life but basically not all people can accept the presence of something that is considered to be a solution or savior, and of course for this problem it is the business of the government that has the power which of course can convince and increase trust in the community if it is necessary to make changes.

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February 08, 2024, 06:27:55 PM
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So Communities If you got food everybody out of your Community need food so you issue your own currency and you gain wealth.
And all the Community using this currency nobody poor anymore or problems.

By the time you grow more the less power goverment will have over you.
If you see something not benecifial for you dont use it.

This is actually the dumbest idea I have come across so far this year. Sometimes, you make a fool of yourself while thinking that you're smart. If this will work like you assume, people would have started doing it long ago. A currency has to be acceptable by all as a legal tender and not only by a segment of the community. It is as simple as ABC to issue your own currency but it will be useless forever because nobody will accept it from you including people in your community. This practice is an attempt of revolution to stand against government and it is punishable offense. If you don't have lenient government to tolerate your nonsense (I doubt if any government would tolerate such move by any community), you will put everyone's life on danger with this idea because it's a threat to government.

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February 08, 2024, 06:56:58 PM
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What they could do is start using their own Community money backed by food and fruits.
Becouse If your Community grow food you can never be poor poor people you see your goverment don't care, why you use someones money who don't care about you ?
Using the community's own money? who created that thing will it sell? lol
you have to realise that saying create your own money means you have to build your own country with legitimate money there because if you create your own money and use it where you live now in whatever country it is then it will not be accepted mate trust me on this.
You will be considered a freak if you do this and insist that the money you created is accepted and worse, it might be related to the law.

I don't use Banks anymore i told my bank you are scam.
If system does not make you wealthy don't use it.

I Also told my bank you have so much money why don't you share % with me ? Becouse Im share holder of BANK if i invest in bank my money held by bank its Investment.
So they are crooks just becouse the people are use to with something doesnt mean it's honest by nature.
This is your own choice but keep in mind that when we live in a country then there must still be fiat that we have because even though it is your own choice when not using banks and saving money there but still Fiat is an important situation that must be owned because we can only rely on it for transaction tools now unless you want to implement a barter system and even then if someone wants to do it but for now I am sure no one wants to do that Cheesy
Regardless of whether we like banks or not, at the end of the day, we can't leave them behind because the full control of the financial system and the needs we have is still in their hands.

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So Communities If you got food you are blessed issue your own money and stop dealing with people who don't benefit you.
If you issue your own money and goverment come to buy with their money you can set your own rate higher so If they don't want then you sell to those who want.
Off course they want becouse everybody need to eat
So you make your own money and your own Community people all live Nice.
As I said earlier about this you have to create your own country if the government and banks want to consider you as existing and valuable because taking care of something like this by creating your own money and using it as legal tender when you are in a certain country where the regulations are clearly displayed regarding the payment system then you will be considered crazy in the end for imposing your own will which obviously will not be accepted and will only be laughed at.

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February 09, 2024, 04:42:20 AM
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I lived amongst poor people and tried to employ them. (OK, US)

Failed miserably. Being poor is a mindset, they wanted to be that way.  I would pay them and not see them for days. Most of the time they scored some drugs or it was just enough to get by, but never get ahead. They would score some weed and a new shiny bong but the power would be out and what food they had would spoil.

Put a new tire on the car to get to work or a crappy pawn shop guitar, the guitar.

In the end I had them bring me their bills and I would pay them first, meet me at the gas station before work and I would gas their cars Monday morning. I would pay them what was left over in cash, couldn't hold a bank account. They massively resented this.

Waste of time and money. They will never change.

I could argue. It seems you were just unlucky or dealing with a specific group of people (homeless? junkies?). I personally know at least a handful of guys whom I guess you could call poor, but who would be happy to work for just a fraction of an average pay. They would do literally anything if you offer them a job. And current economic downturn increases the number of such people day by day.

No you can't. You haven't done anything your just dreaming something up. You have never hired anyone.

If they were any good, they would not be working for pennies on the dollar.
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February 09, 2024, 05:29:15 AM
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The act of growing vegetables , fruits, or any crops that can be used as food is like printing your own money. I say this because you no longer need to buy food using government currency since you already have it. Perhaps that's a significant saving. However, if you were to create your own currency to be used by others to purchase food in your community, this idea would be illegal, especially in our country, and could result in punishment and imprisonment for us. Perhaps it would be better if, instead of insisting on not using the currency issued by your government, you simply resort to a barter system where food is exchanged for other goods or services.

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February 09, 2024, 05:59:49 AM
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Banks are essential whereever you life - can you find any alternative to them - yet? that is easy to use and everyone accepts is and has access to it? Nope, I dont and I am sure you dont as well.

While I do appreciate the enthusiasm to find an alternative and pitch crypto as the savior, you need to improve its acceptance in the locality first. Maybe then the government will take notice and do something different?

OP also needs to improve on their way of presentation of facts and conclusions.

I have said it here before and I will mention it again that it is kind of a duty upon us to start campaigns on sensitization around the adoption of Bitcoin in our own local communities and we can do this through town hall meetings and calling on friends alike to advocate the adoption of Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies within our communities as an alternative to the current monetary policy realities that is be deviling us today. The international market is having its worst on some of the developing countries around the globe today and the reason is because of the globalisation and superiority agenda of the dollar.

Price of commodities and other international trades have skyrocketed and no country has the power to standardized these issues rather than the world power countries and since the situation is favoring them, they will not be willing to make any change that is why it is quite tall being able to live in a world with centralized currency, where a group of people or league of Nations can decide for the world how their local currencies will be valued.

These things are not as easy said but if you can go out there campaigning or calling people together to adapt to this new technology you can as well create a platform on social media consisting of your friends and family and then introduce the benefits of Bitcoin them. As the time goes, it seems like bitcoin would be another savior to people over the centralized currencies hence the reason why some governments have tried to work against the growth and adoption of the crypto currencies.

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February 09, 2024, 07:58:38 AM
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No matter what government activities or policies are made, if you don't want to work or earn money, you will remain poor.
Even those who work hard every day are poor, let alone those who don't want to work and don't want to earn money.
Wrong, if the price of essential items only grow and the salary doesn't grow in parallel with that, no matter how much hard work you do, it's not going to matter, maybe try thinking a little what to say about this because that's not how things work in real life. Those poor people that a lot of you seems to not mind talking crap about are hard working, they just don't have a choice because the opportunities for them aren't that prevalent or helping them.



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February 09, 2024, 09:35:17 AM
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This is solution, first they need to Understood the system does not serve their needs.
What they could do is start using their own Community money backed by food and fruits.
Becouse If your Community grow food you can never be poor poor people you see your goverment don't care, why you use someones money who don't care about you ?
Leave your goverment currency and issue your own Community money.
And If your poor Community Grow food it means other people out of your Community need your food, so in order to get your Community food they need to obey your Community rules and they need to buy your Community money with rate that's beneficial for you.
Same goes for Europe farmers,stop play around with goverment just issue your own money stronger money and tell them you want our product you buy our currency or you can starve.

If you see someone not good with you then leave their system people only Are poor becouse they go along with the system , nobody not superior of you we all are Humans so If create the our own system then we prosper.

So Communities If you got food everybody out of your Community need food so you issue your own currency and you gain wealth.
And all the Community using this currency nobody poor anymore or problems.

By the time you grow more the less power goverment will have over you.
If you see something not benecifial for you dont use it.

I don't use Banks anymore i told my bank you are scam.
If system does not make you wealthy don't use it.

I Also told my bank you have so much money why don't you share % with me ? Becouse Im share holder of BANK if i invest in bank my money held by bank its Investment.
So they are crooks just becouse the people are use to with something doesnt mean it's honest by nature.

So Communities If you got food you are blessed issue your own money and stop dealing with people who don't benefit you.
If you issue your own money and goverment come to buy with their money you can set your own rate higher so If they don't want then you sell to those who want.
Off course they want becouse everybody need to eat
So you make your own money and your own Community people all live Nice.
He who has it will have it in his future because money can be earned with money and without money it is not possible to earn money.  In that case there are many poor people who have no capital and cannot do their business and they are food.  What do you do in case of those who don't get it properly? The solution you are giving will not fill their stomachs.  In fact, in the current generation, it has become so.  The first generation is becoming such that what is happening today and what is happening is not happening.  Besides, there is no point in saying that we don't follow our system. There is no point in blaming the government. The government will not come to your house and give you food.  When Allah created us, Allah is the owner of our sustenance, Allah has arranged our sustenance, we must put our trust in Allah, and we must walk in the way that Allah will provide for us.
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The act of growing vegetables , fruits, or any crops that can be used as food is like printing your own money. I say this because you no longer need to buy food using government currency since you already have it. Perhaps that's a significant saving. However, if you were to create your own currency to be used by others to purchase food in your community, this idea would be illegal, especially in our country, and could result in punishment and imprisonment for us. Perhaps it would be better if, instead of insisting on not using the currency issued by your government, you simply resort to a barter system where food is exchanged for other goods or services.
Currently all countries are experiencing an economic crisis, especially countries that are experiencing war such as Russia and Ukraine, and also the Palestinian state which is fighting to contain those who Israel wants to seize, currently many people are still fighting the poverty they experience, even though every day they always work but their expenses are much greater than their income, so the government must fight to reduce the price of staple food and other food so that people can manage their finances and save to avoid poverty, if in our country it is in the form of paper money and has been made into legal currency, so we have to follow this, but regarding bartering, I think we can still do it, to make it easier to meet our needs.

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Those things are not the solution to their problems but instead, it adds more. Poor people don't need a lot of things but just 2 - being optimistic and initiative. It is just changing how we think from having a poor mindset to a rich mindset. Instead of staying in the dark side of this corner, why not go to the bright side?

We never stay poor if we take action because so many opportunities around but what happens is that we never see them. What we need is to open our minds and think even better. Stop expecting the government's help but rather think about what we can do without relying on them. Just don't go against the law.



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Let's be real, making a currency nobody else uses and the government ain't cool with is more trouble than it's worth. It's like starting your own language – confusing and probably illegal. Bartering's a different story, but then you don't even need a fancy new currency, right?

So, I gotta be honest, creating your own currency ain't exactly the smoothest move. But hey, I don't wanna rain on your parade entirely. Community currencies can be cool in some situations, like helping out communities struggling with the "regular" money game. Think of it like a local high-five economy, boosting local businesses and building community spirit.

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First thing first, you cannot issue your own currency since it'll have a conflict with the legal tender. Obviously, it would be illegal and you can be charged by that. Although you got a point that when you have a food source, you can earn money. However, you are probably not the only one who can provide those food so it'll be pointless making your own currency as the buyers can just find other sellers who have the same product. Once the government find out about this, they won't wait till your currency gets bigger. And I doubt you can win over the legal tender. Starting your own currency in your community feels like you're starting your own religion. And it won't really solve the problem....

And btw, what do you mean by "If system does not make you wealthy don't use it."? The currency or the bank? But regardless of that, why would they be focusing on making you wealthy? When you should be the one who needs to work for that. Additionally, you can't just ask the banks for a share just because you have money in them. But they do offer interest for their clients, tho it ain't big.
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No you can't. You haven't done anything your just dreaming something up. You have never hired anyone.

If they were any good, they would not be working for pennies on the dollar.

What about "If they were any good, they wouldn't work for a penny"? Because what I know is that everyone has to work to earn money, even though that person is very useful to other people and is also highly desired by many people. In terms of employing other people at a place that we own, it is very different from when we work at someone else's place because the people we invite to work with us will certainly know the reasons why.

Apart from that, the difference between a person who is aware that he is useful to others and a person who really needs to work in someone else's place is certainly not the same because a person who knows he can be useful to other people will definitely not want to work in someone else's place unless he only works for himself. Meanwhile, those who really need a job because they don't have the capital to open their own business will definitely be very willing to work for someone else even though they already know the skills they have.
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The act of growing vegetables , fruits, or any crops that can be used as food is like printing your own money. I say this because you no longer need to buy food using government currency since you already have it. Perhaps that's a significant saving. However, if you were to create your own currency to be used by others to purchase food in your community, this idea would be illegal, especially in our country, and could result in punishment and imprisonment for us. Perhaps it would be better if, instead of insisting on not using the currency issued by your government, you simply resort to a barter system where food is exchanged for other goods or services.
I don't know why people love to look down on agriculture knowing that it is one of the ways to live a poor life if we want to look at the reasons why we work, is just because we should be able to feed so instead of working or even relying on, work to be able to feed, but with your farming and having your small garden in addition, in everything about life food comes first any other thing comes second, then comes health, we need food first. and aside from consumption, you can also sell out of it and that is one of the reasons that I always love agriculture. I don't think any government will allow you to issue your currency, and if we all can go back to agriculture it will be of serious help to us, and even reduce the price of food stuffs from the market.

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February 09, 2024, 03:48:53 PM
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So far I believe and indeed I feel that the presence of banks really helps people whether they are poor or rich and I think so far nothing can replace the role of banks in people's lives, some alternatives that look pretty good like crypto which on the other hand can make people know more and feel about its benefits in life but basically not all people can accept the presence of something that is considered to be a solution or savior, and of course for this problem it is the business of the government that has the power which of course can convince and increase trust in the community if it is necessary to make changes.

You really said this with confidence? Na! Banks role in the society is because they help the central bank, the government and the banks itself. None of the money banks has is officially their own, it's people money they use, allow people to save, borrow the same money to people with high interest and then give back little to no interest back to the people that save money. If there is one role the bank has played is the ability to send money from one place to another but are they even free? No, they charge you for it.

Crypto is absolutely for everyone, whether you are poor or you are rich, you will always be welcome to utilize your money with full respect, nobody charge you for anything except for the fees you pay for using the network which is normal everywhere, you don't pay for the protection, the people running the network are been compensated so you don't need to worry for another, unlike the banks that will charge you for depositing money into your account.

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February 09, 2024, 04:31:19 PM
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The act of growing vegetables , fruits, or any crops that can be used as food is like printing your own money. I say this because you no longer need to buy food using government currency since you already have it. Perhaps that's a significant saving. However, if you were to create your own currency to be used by others to purchase food in your community, this idea would be illegal, especially in our country, and could result in punishment and imprisonment for us. Perhaps it would be better if, instead of insisting on not using the currency issued by your government, you simply resort to a barter system where food is exchanged for other goods or services.
The solution OP gave will only work in a closed society that is living in isolation. It will be possible to live an agrarian life that lives only on what they produce. But the world has become a global village where communities or nations depend on each other for survival. Food, shelter, clothing, and education are not the basic needs anymore. Now we need the internet, electricity, and other technological gadgets to survive.  Technology is advancing every day and we need them if we want to develop. We also need an internationally recognized currency to buy what we don't produce, so I am wondering how a community-issued currency will buy equipment and other needed materials from other countries.

I live in a developing nation that is going through a lot of economic problems. Young people have been coming out of poverty by learning new skills and securing online and offline jobs. They sacrifice to save some part of their earning and use these funds to invest in profitable ventures.

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