Devin Haney vs Ryan Garcia on April 20

[bbc.reporter]

I have thought of a very head shaking conspiracy theory and if this is true this might be a very genius psychological campaign created by King Ry's team. What if this steroids scandal was also created by Ryan to keep everyone talking about him? What if sample A was intentionally with steroids and sample B is very clean?

If proven innocent after the release of sample B's results, everyone will begin talking about him for many weeks again. King Ry might be trying to keep the attention on him until December heheheheheheheee.

Both A and B samples come from one container which is divided by an official conducting the testing. It’s practically impossible for one sample to be clean and another one dirty. This is why Ryan is trying to get ahead of this by claiming that the failed test is due to contaminated supplements. I don’t know whether he will be exonerated but he is already busy trying to hype up a fight with Errol Spence.

Thank you for the correction. I have always assumed that they come from 2 different samples taken on different say in case if sample A is contaminated, sample B will be a very different sample that will not have the contamination of sample A hehe.

In any case, sample B will be will be opened for analysis on May 22. I reckon the verdict will be made on May 23?



Star boxer Ryan Garcia requested Monday that his B-sample be analyzed, according to a letter obtained by ESPN, connected to adverse findings in his A-sample for the performance-enhancing drug Ostarine the day before and the day of his upset win over Devin Haney last month.

His attorney, Darin Chavez, told ESPN Tuesday that the B-sample will be opened and analyzed on May 22. Chavez will witness the examination.

Read in full https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/ryan-garcia-requests-sample-tested-after-failed-drug/

[TravelMug]

^^ And so everyone is going to watch this unfold and see what will be the result of his sample B. And it's just a matter of Ryan being found positive of using a supposedly performance enhancing drug or not. And if yes, what will be the complications here, is Ryan going to be suspended or not? And if he is cleared, then for sure there will be somewhat vindication and his stock are going to multiple again and him going on social media and attacking at everyone that accuses him and making negative comments about his drug testing or taking peds to win against Haney.

[Kemarit]

I have thought of a very head shaking conspiracy theory and if this is true this might be a very genius psychological campaign created by King Ry's team. What if this steroids scandal was also created by Ryan to keep everyone talking about him? What if sample A was intentionally with steroids and sample B is very clean?

If proven innocent after the release of sample B's results, everyone will begin talking about him for many weeks again. King Ry might be trying to keep the attention on him until December heheheheheheheee.

Both A and B samples come from one container which is divided by an official conducting the testing. It’s practically impossible for one sample to be clean and another one dirty. This is why Ryan is trying to get ahead of this by claiming that the failed test is due to contaminated supplements. I don’t know whether he will be exonerated but he is already busy trying to hype up a fight with Errol Spence.

Yes, let's talk about that, Errol barking on him I mean WTF? unless Errol really wanted a piece of Ryan now as he is the cash cow and obviously Errol wanted big fights after that devastating lost to Spence. And for sure Ryan wanted all the attention that he is getting right?

And regardless what will be the outcome, this guys is a great for boxing, perhaps if he is cleared then he might really be looking for a Errol Spence fight or someone that can give him big purse.

[bisdak40]

Yes, let's talk about that, Errol barking on him I mean WTF? unless Errol really wanted a piece of Ryan now as he is the cash cow and obviously Errol wanted big fights after that devastating lost to Spence. And for sure Ryan wanted all the attention that he is getting right?

And regardless what will be the outcome, this guys is a great for boxing, perhaps if he is cleared then he might really be looking for a Errol Spence fight or someone that can give him big purse.

Ryan Garcia vs Errol Spence will depend on the outcome of Ryan's B sample because if found positive that he is taking PEDs then most likely some sanctions will be given to him thus jeopardizing this proposed fight. But if Ryan comes clean then I think Garcia vs Spence will be big for both as like you said, Spence needs a big fight after that devastating loss to Crawford.

[Kemarit]

Yes, let's talk about that, Errol barking on him I mean WTF? unless Errol really wanted a piece of Ryan now as he is the cash cow and obviously Errol wanted big fights after that devastating lost to Spence. And for sure Ryan wanted all the attention that he is getting right?

And regardless what will be the outcome, this guys is a great for boxing, perhaps if he is cleared then he might really be looking for a Errol Spence fight or someone that can give him big purse.

Ryan Garcia vs Errol Spence will depend on the outcome of Ryan's B sample because if found positive that he is taking PEDs then most likely some sanctions will be given to him thus jeopardizing this proposed fight. But if Ryan comes clean then I think Garcia vs Spence will be big for both as like you said, Spence needs a big fight after that devastating loss to Crawford.

The result of the B sample from Ryan will be coming out in 2 days. I can't fight the link though, but I have seen and heard him saying that he doesn't give a f**k about what the result are. And then blurted out that he will put a boxing league of his own. Not sure if he is serious or what, but that is going to be a crazy idea again coming from Garcia.

Bill Haney then responded that what Ryan wanted is to established a boxing organization that will allow the used of Peds, LOL.

We will see then, it seems that Ryan is anticipating that his B sample will also be positive.

[target]

Yes, let's talk about that, Errol barking on him I mean WTF? unless Errol really wanted a piece of Ryan now as he is the cash cow and obviously Errol wanted big fights after that devastating lost to Spence. And for sure Ryan wanted all the attention that he is getting right?

And regardless what will be the outcome, this guys is a great for boxing, perhaps if he is cleared then he might really be looking for a Errol Spence fight or someone that can give him big purse.

Ryan Garcia vs Errol Spence will depend on the outcome of Ryan's B sample because if found positive that he is taking PEDs then most likely some sanctions will be given to him thus jeopardizing this proposed fight. But if Ryan comes clean then I think Garcia vs Spence will be big for both as like you said, Spence needs a big fight after that devastating loss to Crawford.

The result of the B sample from Ryan will be coming out in 2 days. I can't fight the link though, but I have seen and heard him saying that he doesn't give a f**k about what the result are. And then blurted out that he will put a boxing league of his own. Not sure if he is serious or what, but that is going to be a crazy idea again coming from Garcia.

Bill Haney then responded that what Ryan wanted is to established a boxing organization that will allow the used of Peds, LOL.

We will see then, it seems that Ryan is anticipating that his B sample will also be positive.

Ryan is too popular to be ignored in the boxing industry. If banned he will just join the exhibitions being matched everywhere by the celebrities today. I think Ryan will be a good match with Jake. They are friends but I think people will still watch them. Or he fights against Sean Omalley.

Even if Haney will be successful in bring Ryan down in the industry and nullified his loss, its not something that will be erased on the internet.

[Viscore]

Ryan is too popular to be ignored in the boxing industry. If banned he will just join the exhibitions being matched everywhere by the celebrities today. I think Ryan will be a good match with Jake. They are friends but I think people will still watch them. Or he fights against Sean Omalley.

Even if Haney will be successful in bring Ryan down in the industry and nullified his loss, its not something that will be erased on the internet.

The world will not stop for him because he can always use his popularity to have an exhibition fight, for sure he can still attract crowd and ensure himself a good payday. Maybe in the future since Ryan is already one of the popular celebrity, he can joined the acting job like Connor which has already been seen in  movies.  But let's just focus on the current situation, those are just my futuristic view about a possible job he could do to continue his cash stream.

So if he will be proved to have used a ban substance in boxing, what would be his punishment? I read the news and rumors but didn't follow it carefully so I woudl be interested to know from anyone here who keeps following the progress of this issue.

[Kemarit]

Yes, let's talk about that, Errol barking on him I mean WTF? unless Errol really wanted a piece of Ryan now as he is the cash cow and obviously Errol wanted big fights after that devastating lost to Spence. And for sure Ryan wanted all the attention that he is getting right?

And regardless what will be the outcome, this guys is a great for boxing, perhaps if he is cleared then he might really be looking for a Errol Spence fight or someone that can give him big purse.

Ryan Garcia vs Errol Spence will depend on the outcome of Ryan's B sample because if found positive that he is taking PEDs then most likely some sanctions will be given to him thus jeopardizing this proposed fight. But if Ryan comes clean then I think Garcia vs Spence will be big for both as like you said, Spence needs a big fight after that devastating loss to Crawford.

The result of the B sample from Ryan will be coming out in 2 days. I can't fight the link though, but I have seen and heard him saying that he doesn't give a f**k about what the result are. And then blurted out that he will put a boxing league of his own. Not sure if he is serious or what, but that is going to be a crazy idea again coming from Garcia.

Bill Haney then responded that what Ryan wanted is to established a boxing organization that will allow the used of Peds, LOL.

We will see then, it seems that Ryan is anticipating that his B sample will also be positive.

Ryan is too popular to be ignored in the boxing industry. If banned he will just join the exhibitions being matched everywhere by the celebrities today. I think Ryan will be a good match with Jake. They are friends but I think people will still watch them. Or he fights against Sean Omalley.

Even if Haney will be successful in bring Ryan down in the industry and nullified his loss, its not something that will be erased on the internet.

Maybe you are right, as there was a delay,



https://x.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1793365363742355909

So this comes from a well know source, so I wouldn't be surprised. Maybe they are doing their due diligence to test it the right way and make sure that it is not contaminated whatsoever because their decision are going to be very important to the boxing world.

With that, we need to wait further and see if Ryan's is going to be exonerated or not as there are already a trial by publicity here and he has been labeled as a cheater by some boxers.

[pinggoki]

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That's normal in boxing, but if Haney wants to regain himself even without a rematch with Ryan, he should continue to fight and move up and win championships. That fight was a non title fight but people sees how good Ryan in that fight, and of course, Haney has to make sure that he'll bounce back big and should start moving on. I know it might give him a little mental problem because he was undefeated prior to that fight, but that's normal in boxing, he has to accept the reality that he isn't undefeated anymore but he is not done yet.

I can totally agree with that one, I don't think it's even a good thing for Haney to dwell too much in the past when it comes to things like this because it's not healthy and it would probably mess up his game for a long time if he continues to be this kind of fighter, someone that's too focused on what's happening in the past which is an impractical thing in my opinion. I hope that there's really a bounce back for this man, even if I don't find their match that entertaining, I still wish them all the good luck that they get big in the boxing scene, I know how difficult it is to cut weight and train for hours on end so I want those kind of people to get some wins out of their life and in their chosen passion.

[bisdak40]

So this comes from a well know source, so I wouldn't be surprised. Maybe they are doing their due diligence to test it the right way and make sure that it is not contaminated whatsoever because their decision are going to be very important to the boxing world.

With that, we need to wait further and see if Ryan's is going to be exonerated or not as there are already a trial by publicity here and he has been labeled as a cheater by some boxers.

As per Dan Rafael's post, Ryan Garcia's B sample was still positive for the banned PED Ostarine. I do think that this post is from a reliable source as Dan Rafael was also the one divulging on the A sample being positive.

With this development, what could be the sanctions of the governing bodies to Ryan Garcia? Could he be banned from boxing on his entire life?

[bbc.reporter]

So this comes from a well know source, so I wouldn't be surprised. Maybe they are doing their due diligence to test it the right way and make sure that it is not contaminated whatsoever because their decision are going to be very important to the boxing world.

With that, we need to wait further and see if Ryan's is going to be exonerated or not as there are already a trial by publicity here and he has been labeled as a cheater by some boxers.

As per Dan Rafael's post, Ryan Garcia's B sample was still positive for the banned PED Ostarine. I do think that this post is from a reliable source as Dan Rafael was also the one divulging on the A sample being positive.

With this development, what could be the sanctions of the governing bodies to Ryan Garcia? Could he be banned from boxing on his entire life?

I am very sad and also very much disappointed on this. King Ry, similar to the scammer Tank, might also be a scammer. What does this imply for Devin Haney? This does not cause his strong boxing image before his loss to return unless he makes the decision to start challenging the other champions in his weight division beginning with Pitbull, later challenge Matias then the final challenge against Teo.

In any case, King Ry's legal team is arguing that there might be a contamination.



Garcia's legal team responded to the claims by stating independent hair-sample analysis came back negative, which would indicate contamination rather than long-term use.

Source https://wwos.nine.com.au/combat-sports/boxing-news-2024-ryan-garcia-positive-drug-test-b-sample-vs-devin-haney-social-media/96427ba8-fc86-4228-b3b0-d10624e3d62e

[Dave1]

^^ It's really hard to proved it though, it's one sample from Ryan's urine and it has been split to Sample A and Sample B. Perhaps what they have to show is that what Ryan did take prior to that fight that makes his sample positive of a banned substance.

And from what I have found about Ostarine,

Ostarine is a type of drug called a selective androgen receptor modulator (SARM). It's not approved by the FDA, but is sometimes found in supplements.

Ostarine attaches to proteins in the body known as androgen receptors. When ostarine binds to these receptors, it tells muscles to grow.

https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-1564/ostarine

So it's a drug to help someone grow muscle, the question, do Ryan need to have more muscle in this fight?

[Questat]

With this development, what could be the sanctions of the governing bodies to Ryan Garcia? Could he be banned from boxing on his entire life?

I don't think that harsh punishment will be sanction to him, they'll miss him if they do.

IMO, the case of Margarito in the past where he was found with a loaded gloves is more dangerous, and yet he was only banned for a year.

Margarito banned for one year over 'loaded' gloves

Although this was 15 years ago, but I feel this is a more serious violation than a illegal substance found during the test.

[bbc.reporter]

^^ It's really hard to proved it though, it's one sample from Ryan's urine and it has been split to Sample A and Sample B. Perhaps what they have to show is that what Ryan did take prior to that fight that makes his sample positive of a banned substance.

And from what I have found about Ostarine,

Ostarine is a type of drug called a selective androgen receptor modulator (SARM). It's not approved by the FDA, but is sometimes found in supplements.

Ostarine attaches to proteins in the body known as androgen receptors. When ostarine binds to these receptors, it tells muscles to grow.

https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-1564/ostarine

So it's a drug to help someone grow muscle, the question, do Ryan need to have more muscle in this fight?

Why is it to take only 1 urine sample that was split into 2? If the sample was contaminated before the split, how would the other sample prove for or against? I reckon this should be 2 samples taken on different occasions. This might be before their weigh in and the other sample taken before they go inside the ring.

Has there been any record of boxers testing positive on samples A and B then declared negative after an investigation? I am disappointed and I accept that King Ry might have cheated, however, if we consider the corruption in boxing, it would also not be very shocking if there is a conspiracy against King Ry.

[Dave1]

^^ It's really hard to proved it though, it's one sample from Ryan's urine and it has been split to Sample A and Sample B. Perhaps what they have to show is that what Ryan did take prior to that fight that makes his sample positive of a banned substance.

And from what I have found about Ostarine,

Ostarine is a type of drug called a selective androgen receptor modulator (SARM). It's not approved by the FDA, but is sometimes found in supplements.

Ostarine attaches to proteins in the body known as androgen receptors. When ostarine binds to these receptors, it tells muscles to grow.

https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-1564/ostarine

So it's a drug to help someone grow muscle, the question, do Ryan need to have more muscle in this fight?

Why is it to take only 1 urine sample that was split into 2? If the sample was contaminated before the split, how would the other sample prove for or against? I reckon this should be 2 samples taken on different occasions. This might be before their weigh in and the other sample taken before they go inside the ring.

Has there been any record of boxers testing positive on samples A and B then declared negative after an investigation? I am disappointed and I accept that King Ry might have cheated, however, if we consider the corruption in boxing, it would also not be very shocking if there is a conspiracy against King Ry.

I'm not an expert but I speculate that they wanted to make sure that there is no contamination for 1 urine sample. Probably there could be cases though that sample a and sample b would have a different outcome but the changes might be slim.

The thing is that his hair turns samples turns out to be negative. So there could be loopholes in testing as well. And that's why the camp of Ryan is still fighitng this case and hopefully it will turn out negative or there is a reason why he got the ban substance in his urine.

[TravelMug]

With this development, what could be the sanctions of the governing bodies to Ryan Garcia? Could he be banned from boxing on his entire life?

I don't think that harsh punishment will be sanction to him, they'll miss him if they do.

IMO, the case of Margarito in the past where he was found with a loaded gloves is more dangerous, and yet he was only banned for a year.

Margarito banned for one year over 'loaded' gloves

Although this was 15 years ago, but I feel this is a more serious violation than a illegal substance found during the test.

I do agree, it will be a harsh punishment if the governing bodies are going to ban Ryan Garcia for life in boxing. There are lot of boxers that have been caught with peds and was not ban. And in the case of Margarito of loaded hands with plaster of paris, he was still allowed to box and then rematch Cotto. It's also that Ryan is very popular that they are going to ruin his career here. And the Haney's are also filing cases so that they can removed the L from his record and make it NC (No Contest).

[Maslate]

With this development, what could be the sanctions of the governing bodies to Ryan Garcia? Could he be banned from boxing on his entire life?

I don't think that harsh punishment will be sanction to him, they'll miss him if they do.

IMO, the case of Margarito in the past where he was found with a loaded gloves is more dangerous, and yet he was only banned for a year.

Margarito banned for one year over 'loaded' gloves

Although this was 15 years ago, but I feel this is a more serious violation than a illegal substance found during the test.

I do agree, it will be a harsh punishment if the governing bodies are going to ban Ryan Garcia for life in boxing. There are lot of boxers that have been caught with peds and was not ban. And in the case of Margarito of loaded hands with plaster of paris, he was still allowed to box and then rematch Cotto. It's also that Ryan is very popular that they are going to ruin his career here.

Yes, there has been a lot of cases in the past but no boxer has been ban for using PED.

We can refer to this article below for some information.

Increase Penalties For Confirmed PED Use In Boxing

Boxing’s ever-persistent performance-enhancing drugs (PEDs) problem will likely never be fixed because no one wants to be responsible for cleaning things up, but at the very least, let’s increase the penalties for failed drug tests significantly.

On May 11, WBA junior featherweight world titlist Erika Cruz (17-2-1, 3 KOs) fought Nazarena Romero (13-0-2, 7 KOs) to a 10-round draw in her first title defense. Cruz expressed her disappointment post-match, stating, “I feel this draw was very unfair.”Ironically, Cruz was the one who had an unfair advantage. The 33-year-old southpaw tested positive for Stanozolol metabolites 16b-hydroxystanozolol and 3′-hydroxystanozolol in a random urine test conducted by Drug Free Sport on April 29. Stanozolol, known by the brand name Winstrol, is a banned androgenic anabolic steroid used to enhance speed, agility, power output, and lean muscle retention.

They can increase the penalty but not to ban a boxer.

And the Haney's are also filing cases so that they can removed the L from his record and make it NC (No Contest).

he has the right to do so as long as his claim is backed with a solid evidence. Of course that L doesn't look good on his record but we will never forget how he got schooled by Ryan Garcia in that fight and the possible reason was Ryan was too strong at that time that he was able to hurt Haney so bad but Haney was lucky he survived.

[Baofeng]

With this development, what could be the sanctions of the governing bodies to Ryan Garcia? Could he be banned from boxing on his entire life?

I don't think that harsh punishment will be sanction to him, they'll miss him if they do.

IMO, the case of Margarito in the past where he was found with a loaded gloves is more dangerous, and yet he was only banned for a year.

Margarito banned for one year over 'loaded' gloves

Although this was 15 years ago, but I feel this is a more serious violation than a illegal substance found during the test.

I do agree, it will be a harsh punishment if the governing bodies are going to ban Ryan Garcia for life in boxing. There are lot of boxers that have been caught with peds and was not ban. And in the case of Margarito of loaded hands with plaster of paris, he was still allowed to box and then rematch Cotto. It's also that Ryan is very popular that they are going to ruin his career here. And the Haney's are also filing cases so that they can removed the L from his record and make it NC (No Contest).

It will be just suspension, I reckon, Ryan Garcia will still continue to box and will have another high profile fight maybe early this year. He is the new face of boxing and this governing bodies are going to give him that shot next, no matter what.

But for sure his team will be careful on what he did take or what he will take in the next fight just to clear the air with the PEDS.

Perhaps it gives him faster time to recover or build muscles fast so that he will have more power and probably it's the reason why he is bloated and didn't care to make the weight limit of 140 lbs.

[CODE200]

As per Dan Rafael's post, Ryan Garcia's B sample was still positive for the banned PED Ostarine. I do think that this post is from a reliable source as Dan Rafael was also the one divulging on the A sample being positive.

With this development, what could be the sanctions of the governing bodies to Ryan Garcia? Could he be banned from boxing on his entire life?

But there needs to be a press release involved and that the boxing federation needs to talk about this if this is true because that would mean that Garcia was inoculated with some sort of PED, when it comes to the punishment, I'd say it's a ban that you can appeal, probably fines and stripping of the belt. If this is the final thing that will happen, I hope we can see another Haney vs Garcia fight that's totally clean and monitored by independent parties and to make sure that it's a fair match so we can see if the PED helped or Haney is just too weak for Garcia.

[Viscore]

It will be just suspension, I reckon, Ryan Garcia will still continue to box and will have another high profile fight maybe early this year. He is the new face of boxing and this governing bodies are going to give him that shot next, no matter what.

But for sure his team will be careful on what he did take or what he will take in the next fight just to clear the air with the PEDS.

Perhaps it gives him faster time to recover or build muscles fast so that he will have more power and probably it's the reason why he is bloated and didn't care to make the weight limit of 140 lbs.

One year suspension would be fine for him, at least he can rest for awhile and reflect on the mistakes he made. Ryan is very popular, and the boxing industry need someone like him who can draw a crowd as he is fun to watch. We will be waiting for the decision, but for now, expect some good news from Ryan's camp of his next fight, hopefully it's a championship fight as he had already proven he is ready again after beating Haney although it was tagged as cheating due to the result of the test.