Devin Haney vs Ryan Garcia on April 20

[btc_angela]

No, you don't know if what you drink are contaminated or now, let's say your drink Protein powder that you bought in the market, maybe it's been been tainted along the way or you ingest food that has been contaminated, like what happens to Canelo during the GGG fight wherein he consume beef from Mexico in which they feed them with steroid to grow big. So you wouldn't notice it until you are being tested and blood taken from you and urine sample.

With how corrupt the boxing federation is, I think that it's still going to be Canelo's fault that he's tested positive for the PEDs, they operate on guilty until proven innocent unless you've got a really big money and influential backer on the board of the boxing federation so no matter how much we want to believe that it's not his fault, the committee assigned will still be the one that's going to be doing the final decision. It's a good measure in my opinion even though it's filled with corruption, I think that not being ignorant or being aware of what you're taking in before the fight should be a prerequisite or should be a common sense because it can be a way for your opponent to sabotage you too.

And I think this is what Gervonta Davis or some of his people in his camp when Bernard Hopkins tough him, because they thought that Bernard is trying to sabotage Tank by rubbing some kind of ointment on him with steroids.

Not sure though if this is possible that someone can tainted your blood by having steroids on his hands and have contacted you. But here is totally different, as what others have speculated, he might have consume tainted food or liquid and put it on his system before the fight.

“This Is Why Bernard Touch Him”: Gervonta Davis Trainer Accuses Boxing Legend Bernard Hopkins of Rubbing “Testosterone Cream” on ‘Tank’.

[Kemarit]

Not defending Ryan, but let's put it this way, a boxer was also found to be positive but he didn't win the fight, Michel Rivera suspended six months, fined 15% of purse for failed drug test.

So there is an argument that even if you uses Peds, it will not help you win a fight as the example above. Ryan doesn't look jack at all with all this Peds accusations though. So this remains to be seen and the timing of the released of this news, when everyone was celebrating Ryan's victory, they try to destroy and discredit it by some entities.

I speculated that it's either Ryan,

a. Knows that he is taking PEDS
b. Doesn't know that he is taking PEDS
c. Doesn't know, but he did take contaminated supplements that's why he tested positive

And we all know that Ryan is good for business in boxing and this could flew under the radar and be quiet about it. But there could be someone that break this news to someone that's why it become so big right now.

You know how this all will end? Does not matter if he was clean or not. Does not matter if he failed his weight. Does not matter if he won belts or not. Does not matter if he drink or smoke. Does not matter if he cheated or won unfair with judges help. All that is matters, that the world will remember him beating Haney. History does not remember losers. The fight has already happened, people saw his hand being raised. That is it. Nobody cares what is after the fight. What matters is what was during the fight.

Yes, you're right,, we've seen Ryan already demolished Haney and the best that they can do is to change it to no contest. But what matters is the future fight of Garcia, for sure his next opponent will used this issues against him or will press for more intricate drug testing surprise visit more than what it should or even his weight could be a big question.

But as others posted, even the cash cow has once or twice caught with supposedly Clen on his system but it was attributed to the "cows" from his Mexico. So let's see, there are pro boxers riding on this issues and attacking Ryan in public but it seems the news has died down a little.

[TopTort777]

That is modern sport. Specially boxing that is considered as one of corrupted sports ever. I have seen many examples when athletes won medals during Olympic games, then they get caught with doping after. And in the end they keep medals (never return them), at home they return as heroes, and people only remember their victories. Nobody cares what happens after. Now the world knows that Instagram boy beat papa's prodigy. How he did it, nobody cares. Most people will believe only to knockdowns in fight highlights. And in addition, if they have a rematch, emotionally Haney will be loosing position.

[TravelMug]

That is modern sport. Specially boxing that is considered as one of corrupted sports ever. I have seen many examples when athletes won medals during Olympic games, then they get caught with doping after. And in the end they keep medals (never return them), at home they return as heroes, and people only remember their victories. Nobody cares what happens after. Now the world knows that Instagram boy beat papa's prodigy. How he did it, nobody cares. Most people will believe only to knockdowns in fight highlights. And in addition, if they have a rematch, emotionally Haney will be loosing position.

Haney could be resting this year as what Bill says, and regardless if he has taken steroids or not, doesn't matter as you have said, Haney has been dominated and it will not change anything in the rematch. And Haney is the heavier boxer in fight night but Ryan has the power, no rehydration clause although went over weight, but still 3 pounds is not enough because as reported, Haney chooses to be the heavier. And I think this should be the weight class of Ryan Garcia though, he is borderline 147 lbs so I wouldn't be surprised that he will fight in this division next with some tune up fight before taking up the champions.

[Finestream]

That is modern sport. Specially boxing that is considered as one of corrupted sports ever. I have seen many examples when athletes won medals during Olympic games, then they get caught with doping after. And in the end they keep medals (never return them), at home they return as heroes, and people only remember their victories. Nobody cares what happens after. Now the world knows that Instagram boy beat papa's prodigy. How he did it, nobody cares. Most people will believe only to knockdowns in fight highlights. And in addition, if they have a rematch, emotionally Haney will be loosing position.

Haney could be resting this year as what Bill says, and regardless if he has taken steroids or not, doesn't matter as you have said, Haney has been dominated and it will not change anything in the rematch. And Haney is the heavier boxer in fight night but Ryan has the power, no rehydration clause although went over weight, but still 3 pounds is not enough because as reported, Haney chooses to be the heavier. And I think this should be the weight class of Ryan Garcia though, he is borderline 147 lbs so I wouldn't be surprised that he will fight in this division next with some tune up fight before taking up the champions.

It will be insulting on his part to be confirm tha the used steriod only to loss to Ryan. I guess Haney is not really a hall of famer, he found his kyptonite in Ryan and there's no way the rematch will happen, unless there's a huge money waiting that Ryan will ensure he'll get a bigger slice of the pie. Ryan had already told us that he won't give Haney a rematch as it was pretty obvious how he domination him, in short, Ryan does not find Haney deserving of the rematch.

[Baofeng]

That is modern sport. Specially boxing that is considered as one of corrupted sports ever. I have seen many examples when athletes won medals during Olympic games, then they get caught with doping after. And in the end they keep medals (never return them), at home they return as heroes, and people only remember their victories. Nobody cares what happens after. Now the world knows that Instagram boy beat papa's prodigy. How he did it, nobody cares. Most people will believe only to knockdowns in fight highlights. And in addition, if they have a rematch, emotionally Haney will be loosing position.

Haney could be resting this year as what Bill says, and regardless if he has taken steroids or not, doesn't matter as you have said, Haney has been dominated and it will not change anything in the rematch. And Haney is the heavier boxer in fight night but Ryan has the power, no rehydration clause although went over weight, but still 3 pounds is not enough because as reported, Haney chooses to be the heavier. And I think this should be the weight class of Ryan Garcia though, he is borderline 147 lbs so I wouldn't be surprised that he will fight in this division next with some tune up fight before taking up the champions.

It will be insulting on his part to be confirm tha the used steriod only to loss to Ryan. I guess Haney is not really a hall of famer, he found his kyptonite in Ryan and there's no way the rematch will happen, unless there's a huge money waiting that Ryan will ensure he'll get a bigger slice of the pie. Ryan had already told us that he won't give Haney a rematch as it was pretty obvious how he domination him, in short, Ryan does not find Haney deserving of the rematch.

Or careful match making in the part of this father, against a old Linares, he was shook already and had wobbly legs in that fight. And obviously, that is the sign that Haney doesn't have a good chin to begin with and then he didn't face the best of 135 lbs like Tank Davis or Shakur Stevenson and then he moved up to 140 lbs and faces the old and fading Regis Prograis.

And even at the Loma fight, some of us thinks that he lost that fight and he was again very lucky that the judges favor him. But in this fight, yeah, his kryptonite is Ryan's power and lightning speed and so his aura of invincibility has been shattered and it could be the same result in game 2 if he chooses to run that course.

[FinneysTrueVision]

I have thought of a very head shaking conspiracy theory and if this is true this might be a very genius psychological campaign created by King Ry's team. What if this steroids scandal was also created by Ryan to keep everyone talking about him? What if sample A was intentionally with steroids and sample B is very clean?

If proven innocent after the release of sample B's results, everyone will begin talking about him for many weeks again. King Ry might be trying to keep the attention on him until December heheheheheheheee.

Both A and B samples come from one container which is divided by an official conducting the testing. It’s practically impossible for one sample to be clean and another one dirty. This is why Ryan is trying to get ahead of this by claiming that the failed test is due to contaminated supplements. I don’t know whether he will be exonerated but he is already busy trying to hype up a fight with Errol Spence.

[bittraffic]

I have thought of a very head shaking conspiracy theory and if this is true this might be a very genius psychological campaign created by King Ry's team. What if this steroids scandal was also created by Ryan to keep everyone talking about him? What if sample A was intentionally with steroids and sample B is very clean?

If proven innocent after the release of sample B's results, everyone will begin talking about him for many weeks again. King Ry might be trying to keep the attention on him until December heheheheheheheee.

Both A and B samples come from one container which is divided by an official conducting the testing. It’s practically impossible for one sample to be clean and another one dirty. This is why Ryan is trying to get ahead of this by claiming that the failed test is due to contaminated supplements. I don’t know whether he will be exonerated but he is already busy trying to hype up a fight with Errol Spence.

Ryan winning the fight in that manner, people will talk about it forever. He wouldn't need to create another psychological campaign that made the NYSAC exec resign because of this scandalous accusation they made against Ryan. Haney is likely trying to get Ryan still of all the shit he has been thru the guy can't accept he lost against someone he thought to be the worse fighter.  

[inthelongrun]

I have thought of a very head shaking conspiracy theory and if this is true this might be a very genius psychological campaign created by King Ry's team. What if this steroids scandal was also created by Ryan to keep everyone talking about him? What if sample A was intentionally with steroids and sample B is very clean?

If proven innocent after the release of sample B's results, everyone will begin talking about him for many weeks again. King Ry might be trying to keep the attention on him until December heheheheheheheee.

Both A and B samples come from one container which is divided by an official conducting the testing. It’s practically impossible for one sample to be clean and another one dirty. This is why Ryan is trying to get ahead of this by claiming that the failed test is due to contaminated supplements. I don’t know whether he will be exonerated but he is already busy trying to hype up a fight with Errol Spence.

Ryan winning the fight in that manner, people will talk about it forever. He wouldn't need to create another psychological campaign that made the NYSAC exec resign because of this scandalous accusation they made against Ryan. Haney is likely trying to get Ryan still of all the shit he has been thru the guy can't accept he lost against someone he thought to be the worse fighter.  

I think there's less than a week before Ryan's final judgement if he can prove himself clean or not. I saw some posts from legit sources that Ryan is already cleared but there are also posts saying he is cleared but only from one substance while still positive from another substance. But at least it is obvious that Ryan is clearing his name here. I want Ryan to get cleared even if he sounds deluded at the moment.

Ryan won't stop talking and will challenge any fighters for clout. He might bluff or not. He is clearly capitalizing his fame and trend and it is working especially that he just won over Haney.

[pinggoki]

Ryan winning the fight in that manner, people will talk about it forever. He wouldn't need to create another psychological campaign that made the NYSAC exec resign because of this scandalous accusation they made against Ryan. Haney is likely trying to get Ryan still of all the shit he has been thru the guy can't accept he lost against someone he thought to be the worse fighter.  

It's not as fantastic of a match so I wouldn't say forever but they're definitely going to talk about it in ages, definitely something and I think that Ryan deserves the win, Haney sucked so bad in that match and I don't think that he's even on par with Garcia. Man, that was an intense match and the highlights in the match was so good, the issue behind the match will eventually fizzle out though.

[Finestream]

Ryan winning the fight in that manner, people will talk about it forever. He wouldn't need to create another psychological campaign that made the NYSAC exec resign because of this scandalous accusation they made against Ryan. Haney is likely trying to get Ryan still of all the shit he has been thru the guy can't accept he lost against someone he thought to be the worse fighter.  

It's not as fantastic of a match so I wouldn't say forever but they're definitely going to talk about it in ages, definitely something and I think that Ryan deserves the win, Haney sucked so bad in that match and I don't think that he's even on par with Garcia. Man, that was an intense match and the highlights in the match was so good, the issue behind the match will eventually fizzle out though.

That's normal in boxing, but if Haney wants to regain himself even without a rematch with Ryan, he should continue to fight and move up and win championships. That fight was a non title fight but people sees how good Ryan in that fight, and of course, Haney has to make sure that he'll bounce back big and should start moving on. I know it might give him a little mental problem because he was undefeated prior to that fight, but that's normal in boxing, he has to accept the reality that he isn't undefeated anymore but he is not done yet.

[Maus0728]

Both A and B samples come from one container which is divided by an official conducting the testing. It’s practically impossible for one sample to be clean and another one dirty. This is why Ryan is trying to get ahead of this by claiming that the failed test is due to contaminated supplements. I don’t know whether he will be exonerated but he is already busy trying to hype up a fight with Errol Spence.

Can't Haney just let it go though? I feel like he's being a sore loser trying to cling to hope that Garcia is really using PED to fight him, can't he just accept the curse of Prime? I'm just kidding. But in all seriousness though, I feel like this investigation won't lead to nowhere, the drugs if there's really something in the system, would've been out because it's been so long. For me, the only way to resolve this is a rematch, but this one there should be an independent committee overseeing both boxers, that way there's no possiblity of cheating or PED.

[Taskford]

Both A and B samples come from one container which is divided by an official conducting the testing. It’s practically impossible for one sample to be clean and another one dirty. This is why Ryan is trying to get ahead of this by claiming that the failed test is due to contaminated supplements. I don’t know whether he will be exonerated but he is already busy trying to hype up a fight with Errol Spence.

Can't Haney just let it go though? I feel like he's being a sore loser trying to cling to hope that Garcia is really using PED to fight him, can't he just accept the curse of Prime? I'm just kidding. But in all seriousness though, I feel like this investigation won't lead to nowhere, the drugs if there's really something in the system, would've been out because it's been so long. For me, the only way to resolve this is a rematch, but this one there should be an independent committee overseeing both boxers, that way there's no possiblity of cheating or PED.

Nope he's trying to regain back his record no matter what happen. He doesn't care about what people say since what's more important for him is to have a reason on why he got defeated by Ryan Garcia on that match. People already know how he's badly beaten by Garcia and almost he can't do anything on that match. Its big shame he's been knock down for so many times that's why he's trying to regain his self for that reason so he can came clean. Rematch is really the best solution on this since it can eliminate the doubts of people who's doubting about the result. But I guess Haney don't want this to happen since he's already afraid to Garcia since he know he has no match if they fight for second time again.

[TravelMug]

Both A and B samples come from one container which is divided by an official conducting the testing. It’s practically impossible for one sample to be clean and another one dirty. This is why Ryan is trying to get ahead of this by claiming that the failed test is due to contaminated supplements. I don’t know whether he will be exonerated but he is already busy trying to hype up a fight with Errol Spence.

Can't Haney just let it go though? I feel like he's being a sore loser trying to cling to hope that Garcia is really using PED to fight him, can't he just accept the curse of Prime? I'm just kidding. But in all seriousness though, I feel like this investigation won't lead to nowhere, the drugs if there's really something in the system, would've been out because it's been so long. For me, the only way to resolve this is a rematch, but this one there should be an independent committee overseeing both boxers, that way there's no possiblity of cheating or PED.

I think he just want to really damage Ryan Garcia's reputation here and turn the fight into no contest and and his status of undefeated might go back because it's very important for him to have 0 loses so far. We will just have to wait and see, there are full of drama now but it looks like Garcia is very confident about himself and could be exonerated as not guilty with the tainted samples that he had. And with that confidence, Ryan is still hyping himself and mentioning names like Errol Spence as his next opponent and having a storyline of his now coach Derrick James getting even or punish Spence for not paying him fair during their time as trainer/boxer.

[arwin100]

Both A and B samples come from one container which is divided by an official conducting the testing. It’s practically impossible for one sample to be clean and another one dirty. This is why Ryan is trying to get ahead of this by claiming that the failed test is due to contaminated supplements. I don’t know whether he will be exonerated but he is already busy trying to hype up a fight with Errol Spence.

Can't Haney just let it go though? I feel like he's being a sore loser trying to cling to hope that Garcia is really using PED to fight him, can't he just accept the curse of Prime? I'm just kidding. But in all seriousness though, I feel like this investigation won't lead to nowhere, the drugs if there's really something in the system, would've been out because it's been so long. For me, the only way to resolve this is a rematch, but this one there should be an independent committee overseeing both boxers, that way there's no possiblity of cheating or PED.

I think he just want to really damage Ryan Garcia's reputation here and turn the fight into no contest and and his status of undefeated might go back because it's very important for him to have 0 loses so far. We will just have to wait and see, there are full of drama now but it looks like Garcia is very confident about himself and could be exonerated as not guilty with the tainted samples that he had. And with that confidence, Ryan is still hyping himself and mentioning names like Errol Spence as his next opponent and having a storyline of his now coach Derrick James getting even or punish Spence for not paying him fair during their time as trainer/boxer.

He just want to make Garcia look bad in the eyes of boxing fans around the world and they want the fans to think about that the guy cheat on their match that's why he won. But a lot of people really know the result of the fight so whatever Haney's camp did just to throw out the achievement gotten by Garcia for sure a lot of people who watch that match will never forget that Ryan Garcia win and beaten Haney so bad in that fight.

So maybe if they succeed on their contest due to what they say substance use of Garcia they can't still erase the fact that Haney is no match on Garcia at that time and people will not be happy on the result since Haney is a total loser on that match.

[Dave1]

Both A and B samples come from one container which is divided by an official conducting the testing. It’s practically impossible for one sample to be clean and another one dirty. This is why Ryan is trying to get ahead of this by claiming that the failed test is due to contaminated supplements. I don’t know whether he will be exonerated but he is already busy trying to hype up a fight with Errol Spence.

Can't Haney just let it go though? I feel like he's being a sore loser trying to cling to hope that Garcia is really using PED to fight him, can't he just accept the curse of Prime? I'm just kidding. But in all seriousness though, I feel like this investigation won't lead to nowhere, the drugs if there's really something in the system, would've been out because it's been so long. For me, the only way to resolve this is a rematch, but this one there should be an independent committee overseeing both boxers, that way there's no possiblity of cheating or PED.

I think he just want to really damage Ryan Garcia's reputation here and turn the fight into no contest and and his status of undefeated might go back because it's very important for him to have 0 loses so far. We will just have to wait and see, there are full of drama now but it looks like Garcia is very confident about himself and could be exonerated as not guilty with the tainted samples that he had. And with that confidence, Ryan is still hyping himself and mentioning names like Errol Spence as his next opponent and having a storyline of his now coach Derrick James getting even or punish Spence for not paying him fair during their time as trainer/boxer.

He just want to make Garcia look bad in the eyes of boxing fans around the world and they want the fans to think about that the guy cheat on their match that's why he won. But a lot of people really know the result of the fight so whatever Haney's camp did just to throw out the achievement gotten by Garcia for sure a lot of people who watch that match will never forget that Ryan Garcia win and beaten Haney so bad in that fight.

So maybe if they succeed on their contest due to what they say substance use of Garcia they can't still erase the fact that Haney is no match on Garcia at that time and people will not be happy on the result since Haney is a total loser on that match.

And there are reports that Garcia 1 sample turns out to be negative though. So by now there are conflicting reports and don't know if that is fake news or someone really wanted to sabotage Ryan Garcia's reputation with all this allegations.

And by now yeah, he is calling Spence as per this official X account and then we have the storyboard that involved James and Ryan is going to avenge his coach now as there are now a legal battle between Derrick James vs Errol Spence Jr in terms of money that Spence supposedly own James.

[coin-investor]

And there are reports that Garcia 1 sample turns out to be negative though. So by now there are conflicting reports and don't know if that is fake news or someone really wanted to sabotage Ryan Garcia's reputation with all this allegations.

The drama on Ryan will continue because Ryan has so many haters I believe there are many who likes to spread fakes news to take out Ryan's winning and because Ryan plans to sue them they have to come out with the real reports, if Ryan really believes that he is clean then he has to fight for that, his credibility is at stakes here

And by now yeah, he is calling Spence as per this official X account and then we have the storyboard that involved James and Ryan is going to avenge his coach now as there are now a legal battle between Derrick James vs Errol Spence Jr in terms of money that Spence supposedly own James.

If this materialized this will create huge drama much bigger than the Haney drama because of what happened between James and Spence and their argument will focus on this, I think Ryan is taking more than what he can take Spence is still dangerous and hungry because of his lost to Crawford he is one tough customer for Ryan.

[cabron]

And there are reports that Garcia 1 sample turns out to be negative though. So by now there are conflicting reports and don't know if that is fake news or someone really wanted to sabotage Ryan Garcia's reputation with all this allegations.

The drama on Ryan will continue because Ryan has so many haters I believe there are many who likes to spread fakes news to take out Ryan's winning and because Ryan plans to sue them they have to come out with the real reports, if Ryan really believes that he is clean then he has to fight for that, his credibility is at stakes here

And by now yeah, he is calling Spence as per this official X account and then we have the storyboard that involved James and Ryan is going to avenge his coach now as there are now a legal battle between Derrick James vs Errol Spence Jr in terms of money that Spence supposedly own James.

If this materialized this will create huge drama much bigger than the Haney drama because of what happened between James and Spence and their argument will focus on this, I think Ryan is taking more than what he can take Spence is still dangerous and hungry because of his lost to Crawford he is one tough customer for Ryan.

Ryan is taking a risk against Spence. This could just be to stray the attention of his issue about the substance because if the report is positive, his victory could be voided. Damn! It says NO CONTEST. They are really going to take that winning record away from Ryan. Ryan seriously made a lot of enemies from high places who could make things happen.

I wouldn't be surprised if Ryan will not be able to fight because the organization is conspiring against him. From the referee WBC and even the VADA are out to discredit Ryan. This is more than just the drama.

In short, Garcia tested positive for Ostarine on two occasions and, for that, he will be called before the New York Athletic Commission unless the B samples prove different to the A samples. It is possible that Garcia’s points victory will instead become a No Contest on the boxers’ records.

[OgNasty]

I wouldn't be surprised if Ryan will not be able to fight because the organization is conspiring against him. From the referee WBC and even the VADA are out to discredit Ryan. This is more than just the drama.

In short, Garcia tested positive for Ostarine on two occasions and, for that, he will be called before the New York Athletic Commission unless the B samples prove different to the A samples. It is possible that Garcia’s points victory will instead become a No Contest on the boxers’ records.

I don't think anyone is conspiring against Ryan Garcia.  I think he was embarrassed after his last loss and given his desire to be a big presence on social media had to do what he had to do in order to get the win.  This included not making weight and taking steroids.  I highly doubt his B samples will provide a different testing result than his A samples.  I also think what he did betting on himself and cheating (not making weight and testing positive for steroids) should honestly be enough to ban him from the sport, at least for a couple years.  That, or they should just let fighters take whatever they want and become monsters.

[btc_angela]

I wouldn't be surprised if Ryan will not be able to fight because the organization is conspiring against him. From the referee WBC and even the VADA are out to discredit Ryan. This is more than just the drama.

In short, Garcia tested positive for Ostarine on two occasions and, for that, he will be called before the New York Athletic Commission unless the B samples prove different to the A samples. It is possible that Garcia’s points victory will instead become a No Contest on the boxers’ records.

I don't think anyone is conspiring against Ryan Garcia.  I think he was embarrassed after his last loss and given his desire to be a big presence on social media had to do what he had to do in order to get the win.  This included not making weight and taking steroids.  I highly doubt his B samples will provide a different testing result than his A samples.  I also think what he did betting on himself and cheating (not making weight and testing positive for steroids) should honestly be enough to ban him from the sport, at least for a couple years.  That, or they should just let fighters take whatever they want and become monsters.

Nah, I don't think that he will ban for life because of this, if he is caught, then mostly some severe punishment or if he get away with it then obviously he can fight again in the young. And as how corrupt boxing is, who knows, maybe after he shows to the commission and explain everything then he will be cleared.

It's really the talent that one can bring in the ring and I don't think that steroids can help them in their performance in the ring, some athletes used some form though like diuretics to help lose those extra pounds, but it doesn't mean that they will become monsters in the ring.