Buy Buy Buy or Sell Sell Sell?

[Yablee0]

Honestly, people really wants to make some gain if one can get 5% increments in their profit they can take some chances the issues comes up when only an investors decided to wait for a low price of bitcoin before embarking buying the bitcoin, as long as the investors purchase bitcoin and hod it for long term with the accumulations strategy  it is good to invest on lump sum period than targeting for price of bitcoin.

I must warned you,tampering with your Bitcoin stash isn't the right strategy to accumulate Bitcoin. By the way, considering withdrawing 5% profits from your Bitcoin investment when you haven't reached over-accumulation is a trader mindset. Collecting profits from your Bitcoin investment should comes to play after you have achieved Over-accumulation status and not before. However, an investor that waits for a Dip before buying Bitcoin is doing a great harm to himself and his investment . An investor is mandated to buy Bitcoin whenever his Discretional income is available but if a Dip occurs,he can as well make use of his Reserve funds to buy Bitcoin. Don't wait for a Dip before buying, instead buy once you have a Discretional income available, delay in investment isn't encouraging and can be harmful to investment.

Having such mindset or approach by waiting for the dip to occur before  investing doesn't shows you are good investors rather it's shows how desperate and eigger you just want to get a quick return like a common trader and that's what you are. A real investors has no business in monitoring the market thread, all he's after is how far he can accumulate as much as he can to his portfolio.

However Bitcoin is a nice and innovative investment that anybody can invest in, you don't need to know every single thing about it but with a slight basics knowledge about it, like what funds is the best funds to used in investing which is the discretionary funds, best time to hold which is the long term run and the backup funds to sustain your holdings till the mature date you are cool.

[JayJuanGee]

Honestly, people really wants to make some gain if one can get 5% increments in their profit they can take some chances the issues comes up when only an investors decided to wait for a low price of bitcoin before embarking buying the bitcoin, as long as the investors purchase bitcoin and hod it for long term with the accumulations strategy  it is good to invest on lump sum period than targeting for price of bitcoin.

I must warned you,tampering with your Bitcoin stash isn't the right strategy to accumulate Bitcoin. By the way, considering withdrawing 5% profits from your Bitcoin investment when you haven't reached over-accumulation is a trader mindset. Collecting profits from your Bitcoin investment should comes to play after you have achieved Over-accumulation status and not before. However, an investor that waits for a Dip before buying Bitcoin is doing a great harm to himself and his investment . An investor is mandated to buy Bitcoin whenever his Discretional income is available but if a Dip occurs,he can as well make use of his Reserve funds to buy Bitcoin. Don't wait for a Dip before buying, instead buy once you have a Discretional income available, delay in investment isn't encouraging and can be harmful to investment.

Taking 5 percent from your Bitcoin investment is not really trading and I don't know what to call that but it is not a good way to accumulate Bitcoin because it is going to delay one's target or goal because if someone set a target to accomplish and then they are indulging themselves in this act of taking 5 percent from their portfolio it will really affect them unless as they are taking 5 percent they are accumulating X of that 5 percent and maybe in this way it won't be an issue to them but ordinarily we are suppose to touch our investment when we have reach overaccumulation stage.

I get what you mean bro, and I agree.. Taking small percentages out from your Bitcoin holdings might look harmless, but in the long run, it actually slows down growth and delays your real target.
The whole idea of investing in Bitcoin is to let it compound and grow over time. Unless that 5% you are taking is being replaced or reinvested somewhere productive, it is better to just hold tight until you have reached that overaccumulation stage. That is when taking profit really makes sense.

As we build the size of our bitcoin holdings, we have more and more options in regards to how to treat that value that is ongoingly growing. 

The value is likely growing through our ongoingly adding to it and it is potentially growing (or maybe it is shrinking in value from time to time) with the passage of time and as presumptively in the long run the price of bitcoin goes up, even though in short-time periods the value might be up or down and the value may change way more than the amount that we had been putting into it for any given period.

We can get tempted to tap into it or to try to predict which way the BTC price is going to go, yet of course, that is not the ONLY thing going on in our lives, and if we are not managing the rest of our finances well and/or we might get tempted by wants/desires/needs in the real world. .. The needs/wants in the real world can be for consumption and/or for investment into other places, and surely some of those needs/wants could be justified and other times they might merely be distractions and contributing to our losing focus in regards to where we should be keeping and/or building our value.

No one can answer these questions for others, even though many of us likely recognize that historical mistakes and regrets that people have in regards to their bitcoin investment has many times been their failure/refusal to sufficiently build it, which may well would have had been as a result of not buying enough or selling too much too early.

Past performance cannot give any assurance in the direction of future performance, and when we withdraw value from bitcoin (whether it is 5% or some other amount) we are taking chances with that value and sometimes we might not know the results or ramifications in regards to our taking such actions.. so we might call it gambling and/or trading - it is just depending on our justifications for doing it and our expectations.. and surely guys who had accumulated way more bitcoin in their beginning years may well have a lot more options as compared to guys who had not accumulated as much bitcoin, and guys who accumulated a lot of bitcoin might still not be very close to reaching their target accumulation level, so their withdrawal of some value might delay their building of their bitcoin holdings, and sure there are some cases in which they ended up being successful in their being able to buy back cheaper with that amount, even though many of us have pointed out that selling BTC could end up putting some guys in a wrong mentality and way of thinking about bitcoin when for their own good they should stay focused on accumulating bitcoin and if they have reasons to need some value for other projects or desires, it may well be better for them to fund such projects/desires through other sources (besides using their bitcoin for such).

None of us can tell others what to do, even though we should have some reasonable basis for actions that we take in regards to our bitcoin accumulation process and any actions that we might take that might interfere (or change) how we are approaching our bitcoin accumulation.

Oh, by the way, there could be situations where guys had miscalculated and/or misunderstood their own circumstances, and it could have had been that they had mistakenly overly allocated into bitcoin on a short term basis, so they might feel that it is necessary for them to pull out some of that over allocation to the extent that it might be problematic for them to keep such value in bitcoin and if they might not figure out some alternative means to deal with their earlier mistake.  Whether we label this kind of behavior as trading, gambling, or even sloppiness might not always be clear in terms of if we had gotten into such situations intentionally or if we had made mistakes that worked to our advantage or perhaps to our disadvantage by the time we discovered the mistake.  It seems to me that guys sometimes will need to consider and/or reconsider their approach, and sometimes in the process of making various changes to correct mistakes they might later figure out that they made the situation worse in the way that they ended up trying to fix their earlier mistake(s)

Sometime there are difficulties measuring the way that events played out versus how they would have had played out under other circumstances, so we have to work with what we have, and many times we cannot go back and fix certain kinds of errors, and sometimes the errors might not be great enough to be measurable in any kind of a meaningful way.. since some value is measurable and some is not as easy to quantify... and sometimes we purposefully might put some value into what we believe to be inferior assets because we want to hedge, and we might not specifically be aiming to get the most value but instead a certain level of comfort that we are happy with no matter the direction because we have value that we might keep in various areas even if we consider some of the areas to be inferior to our investment in bitcoin.

The consequences of taking risks or making irrational decisions are always your own. Financial preparation and backup funds are important when it comes to Bitcoin investing. Many ordinary people start investing in Bitcoin when they already have some backup funds, such as two to four weeks' worth. But those who have no backup funds at all should first create a minimum financial security because investing in Bitcoin is not reasonable without discretionary income. If a person starts with a backup fund of two to four weeks, they can gradually increase both their Bitcoin stack and backup funds together. It may be a reasonable approach to initially keep half of their Bitcoin and half in the backup fund, but this needs to be adjusted according to everyone's situation. Therefore, before starting Bitcoin, it is important to acquire a financial foundation, backup funds, and common sense so that it is possible to continue investing in the long term.

Conceptually, it's true, but whether we've missed it or not is a personal choice. Did you know that the most boring job is simply watching the market move without Our presence, and that's is quite make we so boring too.

The current hot topic is the unlimited amount of money in the Federal Reserve and the market will explode in 2026. Are we resilient enough not to sell our assets at a temporary peak? Because the market is always rational.

Let's not be idle when that moment comes.

A lot of people fuck up their whole bitcoin investment because they are bored and they want action and they cannot resist moving around value when they would have had been way better off to stay focused and to just keep accumulating bitcoin, whether they perceive the price as high, low or otherwise.

Maybe you, martinex, think that you have it all figured out, and surely you have been registered on the forum for nearly as long as me, but you don't have a post history, and you seem to also have a lot of distractions with shitcoins that may or may not have had worked out very well for you.

Think about it martinex.  If you had merely put $50 per week into bitcoin since your forum registration date (of March 22, 2014), you would have had invested just under $30k into bitcoin in the past 11-ish years, and right now you would have more than 22 BTC.   

I doubt that fucking around with trading (or trying to time bitcoin rises and falls in price during that time) could have gotten you much better results than that or that it would have had been worth it to be fucking around trying to figure out the ups and downs in bitcoin. If you were fucking around trading during that time, you probably invested way more value and you have way less bitcoin.  Sure, you might have had gotten lucky and beat such buy and hold results, but why take chances screwing around with an otherwise good investment (namely bitcoin) merely because you are greedy and think that you are smarter than everyone else?

In other words, why be greedy when bitcoin has been and likely will continue to be amongst the best (if not the best) of investments available to everyone and anyone who happens to have some discretionary income?

Taking 5 percent from your Bitcoin investment is not really trading and I don't know what to call that but it is not a good way to accumulate Bitcoin because it is going to delay one's target or goal because if someone set a target to accomplish and then they are indulging themselves in this act of taking 5 percent from their portfolio it will really affect them unless as they are taking 5 percent they are accumulating X of that 5 percent and maybe in this way it won't be an issue to them but ordinarily we are suppose to touch our investment when we have reach overaccumulation stage.

I cannot agree with you. No matter how much profit you make during Bitcoin accumulation, selling is never a good sign. Even if it is a small percentage, it can become a regular habit. Whether you sell 5% or 1%, you will lose all the opportunity to take out of the hold.

True.  Selling any amount could become a bad habit and counter-productive.

In the case of investing in Bitcoin for a long time, it is very important to hold steadily and not sell Bitcoin under any circumstances.

Well both holding and keeping on buying.. merely HODLing might not be good enough if you have not built up a large enough bitcoin stash.

Let me explain with an example that if the price of Bitcoin continues to increase by 50% every year, then each time the new profit will be added to the old profit. But if you sell something and that will remain your loss.

Bitcoin is not guaranteed to go up.  It could go up or down.  None of us know in advance.  The mere fact that bitcoin has historically (on average) gone up seems to not be a good enough reason not to sell it.

And if someone gains in the short term, it means that he loses in the long term.. In the short term, if someone takes 5% profit from holding, but if the price is higher in next week, then he has lost comparatively and along with that, he has lost the consistency of investment.  Therefore, it is much more important to create a holding mentality, rather than making big losses by taking small profits like this. Be a strong holders and not try to sell bitcoin at investment time.

Sure.  I agree with this.. Keep buying and when in doubt just hold since it can potentially take a long time to build a bitcoin stash that is sufficiently large enough.

So maybe a person spends 1-2 cycles accumulating and then maybe another cycle holding (or maintaining) and then after going through those two phases, he might start to be in a phase where he might withdraw portions of his BTC from time to time - some variation of sustainable withdrawal that might be price based and/or time based. 

There are some guys who sell most, if not all of their BTC, which seems problematic, even though surely guys can do what they like in terms of the extent that they consider bitcoin to be a llfe-time investment or something that they get in and out of.  A lot of people probably will need to learn (and figure out) how to maintain bitcoin as a lifetime investment and not to feel that they have to sell most of it or all of it merely because it is "in profits."

People will have differing ideas in regards to how to treat their bitcoin holdings once they have built up a decently good-sized stack size.

[ASloveapg]

Honestly, people really wants to make some gain if one can get 5% increments in their profit they can take some chances the issues comes up when only an investors decided to wait for a low price of bitcoin before embarking buying the bitcoin, as long as the investors purchase bitcoin and hod it for long term with the accumulations strategy  it is good to invest on lump sum period than targeting for price of bitcoin.

I must warned you,tampering with your Bitcoin stash isn't the right strategy to accumulate Bitcoin. By the way, considering withdrawing 5% profits from your Bitcoin investment when you haven't reached over-accumulation is a trader mindset. Collecting profits from your Bitcoin investment should comes to play after you have achieved Over-accumulation status and not before. However, an investor that waits for a Dip before buying Bitcoin is doing a great harm to himself and his investment . An investor is mandated to buy Bitcoin whenever his Discretional income is available but if a Dip occurs,he can as well make use of his Reserve funds to buy Bitcoin. Don't wait for a Dip before buying, instead buy once you have a Discretional income available, delay in investment isn't encouraging and can be harmful to investment.

Having such mindset or approach by waiting for the dip to occur before  investing doesn't shows you are good investors rather it's shows how desperate and eigger you just want to get a quick return like a common trader and that's what you are. A real investors has no business in monitoring the market thread, all he's after is how far he can accumulate as much as he can to his portfolio.

However Bitcoin is a nice and innovative investment that anybody can invest in, you don't need to know every single thing about it but with a slight basics knowledge about it, like what funds is the best funds to used in investing which is the discretionary funds, best time to hold which is the long term run and the backup funds to sustain your holdings till the mature date you are cool.

Those who wait for the price to fall to buy actually they will not able to buy, they always lag behind, the price never drops as expected, Bitcoin fluctuates in its own way and no one knows when it will go in which direction. Bitcoin fluctuates completely unpredictable, so those who wait for the price to fall to buy, actually lag behind more often, and the reason they have this mentality is that they only think about short-term success, they are basically behaving like traders, they will buy when it falls and sell when it rises, in this way they want to make a profit, but their thinking will lead them to more losses.

[bitcoin_mining]

The money we spend to meet our needs to run our lives, the remaining earned money, is called discretionary income. And we recommend investing this discretionary money in Bitcoin. Because there is no demand for this remaining earned money. So that we do not have to sell Bitcoin holdings due to unexpected complications. And the holding can be increased. It should not be hindered from holding it for a long time. In our larger interests, we should abandon short-term thinking, short-term gains hinder large possibilities. We have to increase our discretionary income, without unnecessary expenses. Then it will be possible to increase the holding gradually. And the important thing is to plan to hold Bitcoin investment for a long time. Long-term planning is always best in Bitcoin investment.

It is important to have a financial plan in investment. And we know that we should definitely invest with that money that is not essential for our lifestyle, that is, the money that will not affect our daily life if lost. There are many people who invest but they do not leave any money for emergency expenses and invest the money for basic needs, due to which a financial crisis may arise and they may not get money even in an emergency. In such a situation, they may be forced to sell. Bitcoin has the potential to increase in value in the long term, so it is important to maintain a long-term mindset in investment, many people lose patience. Finally, it is safe to move forward with patience by keeping a long-term mindset regularly through proper financial management.

Every part of your money is important for your life, if you have an income of $200 every month and you spend $150 every month, you might think that $10 out of the remaining $50 may not be of any use in your life, but when you are in danger, that $10 will be very important to you. We should not invest with the idea that we should invest with the amount of money that we can lose or the amount of money that has no value in our life. If you plan your investment like this, you will not be able to go very far with your investment because then the investment will not seem so important to you. If the money in your salary survives even after spending it on all the things, then you should take the investment seriously and consider Bitcoin investment as important as other important things, only then you will see that you are successful in continuing your investment for a long time.

[Mehmet69]

It is important to have a financial plan in investment. And we know that we should definitely invest with that money that is not essential for our lifestyle, that is, the money that will not affect our daily life if lost. There are many people who invest but they do not leave any money for emergency expenses and invest the money for basic needs, due to which a financial crisis may arise and they may not get money even in an emergency. In such a situation, they may be forced to sell. Bitcoin has the potential to increase in value in the long term, so it is important to maintain a long-term mindset in investment, many people lose patience. Finally, it is safe to move forward with patience by keeping a long-term mindset regularly through proper financial management.

We need an emergency fund with discretionary income to invest.

We will face problems at some point even if we invest using money that we can afford to lose. The amount of money that we can afford to lose should not be used for investment in its entirety. The remaining amount after deducting all expenses from our cash flow is called discretionary income. We should keep some amount of that money aside in an emergency fund. If we ever face any financial crisis, we can get out of that fund. But if we do not have an emergency fund, we will have to sell our investments. So in your words, it is important to take out an emergency fund from that money and invest it for the long term, rather than using money that we can afford to lose.

[Female King]

A real investors has no business in monitoring the market thread, all he's after is how far he can accumulate as much as he can to his portfolio.

Some people think that monitoring the market is done by traders, Real investors do monitor the market too but he is not doing that with the mindset to buy bitcoin when the price is low, he is always buying with the DCA strategy why they do cheek those market trend at times is to know when they can buy more bitcoin, some times they want to accumulate more bitcoin at a lower rate when bitcoin is dip so monitoring the market isn't bad as some persons may think, i think when it's bad is timing it to only buy when the market has drop than the one can be seen as gambling and it isn't good.

[I_Anime]

The money we spend to meet our needs to run our lives, the remaining earned money, is called discretionary income. And we recommend investing this discretionary money in Bitcoin. Because there is no demand for this remaining earned money. So that we do not have to sell Bitcoin holdings due to unexpected complications. And the holding can be increased. It should not be hindered from holding it for a long time. In our larger interests, we should abandon short-term thinking, short-term gains hinder large possibilities. We have to increase our discretionary income, without unnecessary expenses. Then it will be possible to increase the holding gradually. And the important thing is to plan to hold Bitcoin investment for a long time. Long-term planning is always best in Bitcoin investment.

It is important to have a financial plan in investment. And we know that we should definitely invest with that money that is not essential for our lifestyle, that is, the money that will not affect our daily life if lost. There are many people who invest but they do not leave any money for emergency expenses and invest the money for basic needs, due to which a financial crisis may arise and they may not get money even in an emergency. In such a situation, they may be forced to sell. Bitcoin has the potential to increase in value in the long term, so it is important to maintain a long-term mindset in investment, many people lose patience. Finally, it is safe to move forward with patience by keeping a long-term mindset regularly through proper financial management.

Every part of your money is important for your life, if you have an income of $200 every month and you spend $150 every month, you might think that $10 out of the remaining $50 may not be of any use in your life, but when you are in danger, that $10 will be very important to you. We should not invest with the idea that we should invest with the amount of money that we can lose or the amount of money that has no value in our life. If you plan your investment like this, you will not be able to go very far with your investment because then the investment will not seem so important to you. If the money in your salary survives even after spending it on all the things, then you should take the investment seriously and consider Bitcoin investment as important as other important things, only then you will see that you are successful in continuing your investment for a long time.

You are monthly worker you are been paid $200 monthly , and your monthly expenses is $150 leaving you with $50 . Simple the $200 is your main funds and the $150 is your monthly expenditure making the remaining $50 your discretionary amount, the best thing to do is to share it , you can invest $25 and keep $25 as emergency funds or some folk can decide to make their investment funds quite higher than their emergency funds like $30 $20 is all about priority and proper planning.

[SOKO-DEKE]

A real investors has no business in monitoring the market thread, all he's after is how far he can accumulate as much as he can to his portfolio.

Some people think that monitoring the market is done by traders, Real investors do monitor the market too but he is not doing that with the mindset to buy bitcoin when the price is low, he is always buying with the DCA strategy why they do cheek those market trend at times is to know when they can buy more bitcoin, some times they want to accumulate more bitcoin at a lower rate when bitcoin is dip so monitoring the market isn't bad as some persons may think, i think when it's bad is timing it to only buy when the market has drop than the one can be seen as gambling and it isn't good.

As a matter of fact, someone who is monitoring the Bitcoin market surely wants to buy the dip and that is not a good idea for a serious investor. A serious investor has no time to wait for the Bitcoin price to drop before buying, but rather uses the best strategy, which is the DCA  method buying regularly every week or month. This allows the investor to buy Bitcoin at different price levels.

So, when someone is using the DCA method to accumulate Bitcoin, their focus should always be on buying consistently, either weekly or monthly, rather than checking the market to decide when to buy again. It is only traders who constantly check the market, waiting for the perfect time to buy and sell within a short period  not realizing that there is no perfect time to buy or sell in the short term, unless someone is just lucky. That is why trading is really risky.

[icebar]

A real investors has no business in monitoring the market thread, all he's after is how far he can accumulate as much as he can to his portfolio.

Some people think that monitoring the market is done by traders, Real investors do monitor the market too but he is not doing that with the mindset to buy bitcoin when the price is low, he is always buying with the DCA strategy why they do cheek those market trend at times is to know when they can buy more bitcoin, some times they want to accumulate more bitcoin at a lower rate when bitcoin is dip so monitoring the market isn't bad as some persons may think, i think when it's bad is timing it to only buy when the market has drop than the one can be seen as gambling and it isn't good.

Monitoring the market is not bad but many times it is seen that when an investor is monitoring the market, he may fail to maintain his holdings sometimes. Because he may panic while monitoring the market. Since the Bitcoin market is volatile. If an investor adopts the principle of long-term investment and follows DCA, I think it is not necessary for him to monitor the market. The price of Bitcoin will never be bullish or bearish, but if he holds it for a long time, the investor will definitely benefit.

[Female King]

A real investors has no business in monitoring the market thread, all he's after is how far he can accumulate as much as he can to his portfolio.

Some people think that monitoring the market is done by traders, Real investors do monitor the market too but he is not doing that with the mindset to buy bitcoin when the price is low, he is always buying with the DCA strategy why they do cheek those market trend at times is to know when they can buy more bitcoin, some times they want to accumulate more bitcoin at a lower rate when bitcoin is dip so monitoring the market isn't bad as some persons may think, i think when it's bad is timing it to only buy when the market has drop than the one can be seen as gambling and it isn't good.

As a matter of fact, someone who is monitoring the Bitcoin market surely wants to buy the dip and that is not a good idea for a serious investor. A serious investor has no time to wait for the Bitcoin price to drop before buying, but rather uses the best strategy, which is the DCA  method buying regularly every week or month. This allows the investor to buy Bitcoin at different price levels.

It's a lie it's not everyone monitoring the market that is waiting to buy when there is a dip and i never made any mention of or encourage that we should wait for the dip before we can buy bitcoin i don't know why you guys turn things upside down i never an should wait for the dip rather can be buy regularly using the DCA strategy and buy more when there is a dip this is the reason why investors monitor the market at this not that they are doing that to dip only the dip.

[Barikui1]

It's a lie it's not everyone monitoring the market that is waiting to buy when there is a dip and i never made any mention of or encourage that we should wait for the dip before we can buy bitcoin i don't know why you guys turn things upside down i never an should wait for the dip rather can be buy regularly using the DCA strategy and buy more when there is a dip this is the reason why investors monitor the market at this not that they are doing that to dip only the dip.

As a Bitcoin investor, I don't sees it as a bad practice looking at the market chart daily or weekly, what I see is bad and unhealthy is staying glue to your screen monitoring the market, it is only traders that does that, not investors like us that are aiming to hold for long.

Secondly, why it's very dangerous to stay glue to the price movement of Bitcoin is that you may get emotional with your investment anytime something terrible or good happens in the market, which might result in you selling prematurely, either in a loss or for minimal gains, so monitoring the market as an investor is not a healthy practice, that is the job of a trader, not Investors like us.

[Tonimez]

A real investors has no business in monitoring the market thread, all he's after is how far he can accumulate as much as he can to his portfolio.

Some people think that monitoring the market is done by traders, Real investors do monitor the market too but he is not doing that with the mindset to buy bitcoin when the price is low, he is always buying with the DCA strategy why they do cheek those market trend at times is to know when they can buy more bitcoin, some times they want to accumulate more bitcoin at a lower rate when bitcoin is dip so monitoring the market isn't bad as some persons may think, i think when it's bad is timing it to only buy when the market has drop than the one can be seen as gambling and it isn't good.

As a matter of fact, someone who is monitoring the Bitcoin market surely wants to buy the dip and that is not a good idea for a serious investor. A serious investor has no time to wait for the Bitcoin price to drop before buying, but rather uses the best strategy, which is the DCA  method buying regularly every week or month. This allows the investor to buy Bitcoin at different price levels.

So, when someone is using the DCA method to accumulate Bitcoin, their focus should always be on buying consistently, either weekly or monthly, rather than checking the market to decide when to buy again. It is only traders who constantly check the market, waiting for the perfect time to buy and sell within a short period  not realizing that there is no perfect time to buy or sell in the short term, unless someone is just lucky. That is why trading is really risky.

Monitoring the chart is very stressful of which Many people who take the pain of reading the chart are mostly bitcoin traders who toil with bitcoin for a quick profit. This is why as a beginner who intends to HODL bitcoin for long, you have to first kill that zeal to watch the chart always as this has some ways of changing your bitcoin agenda. It is better to set a good less stressful DCA approach and follow it. This will help you to make the most out of every potentials of bitcoin. An investor can loose his patience and sell at short-term if he continues watching the charts because of volatility.

There has been periods when some investors never knew about a particular dip until it returned back up and this is the good thing about focusing on accumulation than watching the charts.

It's a lie it's not everyone monitoring the market that is waiting to buy when there is a dip and i never made any mention of or encourage that we should wait for the dip before we can buy bitcoin i don't know why you guys turn things upside down i never an should wait for the dip rather can be buy regularly using the DCA strategy and buy more when there is a dip this is the reason why investors monitor the market at this not that they are doing that to dip only the dip.

As a Bitcoin investor, I don't sees it as a bad practice looking at the market chart daily or weekly, what I see is bad and unhealthy is staying glue to your screen monitoring the market, it is only traders that does that, not investors like us that are aiming to hold for long.

Secondly, why it's very dangerous to stay glue to the price movement of Bitcoin is that you may get emotional with your investment anytime something terrible or good happens in the market, which might result in you selling prematurely, either in a loss or for minimal gains, so monitoring the market as an investor is not a healthy practice, that is the job of a trader, not Investors like us.

Basically, every bitcoin investor would always come across the bitcoin price periodically whether through his exchange/ wallet or print media. Just like you rightly stated, staying glued to the chart is a very bad practice that can ruin your bitcoin stash due to panic. Bitcoin is volatile and everyone knows it but still panics when you get too used to checking the price. Moreover, if actually you are not willing to sell anytime soon and you are also monitoring the market, you could get scared and sell at loss or sell prematurely due to FOMO. For me, staying true to your DCA approach instead of chart is the best thing.

[ZeroVinsonN]

The consequences of taking risks or making irrational decisions are always your own. Financial preparation and backup funds are important when it comes to Bitcoin investing. Many ordinary people start investing in Bitcoin when they already have some backup funds, such as two to four weeks' worth. But those who have no backup funds at all should first create a minimum financial security because investing in Bitcoin is not reasonable without discretionary income. If a person starts with a backup fund of two to four weeks, they can gradually increase both their Bitcoin stack and backup funds together. It may be a reasonable approach to initially keep half of their Bitcoin and half in the backup fund, but this needs to be adjusted according to everyone's situation. Therefore, before starting Bitcoin, it is important to acquire a financial foundation, backup funds, and common sense so that it is possible to continue investing in the long term.

Conceptually, it's true, but whether we've missed it or not is a personal choice. Did you know that the most boring job is simply watching the market move without Our presence, and that's is quite make we so boring too.

The current hot topic is the unlimited amount of money in the Federal Reserve and the market will explode in 2026. Are we resilient enough not to sell our assets at a temporary peak? Because the market is always rational.

Let's not be idle when that moment comes.

A lot of people fuck up their whole bitcoin investment because they are bored and they want action and they cannot resist moving around value when they would have had been way better off to stay focused and to just keep accumulating bitcoin, whether they perceive the price as high, low or otherwise.

Maybe you, martinex, think that you have it all figured out, and surely you have been registered on the forum for nearly as long as me, but you don't have a post history, and you seem to also have a lot of distractions with shitcoins that may or may not have had worked out very well for you.

Think about it martinex.  If you had merely put $50 per week into bitcoin since your forum registration date (of March 22, 2014), you would have had invested just under $30k into bitcoin in the past 11-ish years, and right now you would have more than 22 BTC.   

I doubt that fucking around with trading (or trying to time bitcoin rises and falls in price during that time) could have gotten you much better results than that or that it would have had been worth it to be fucking around trying to figure out the ups and downs in bitcoin. If you were fucking around trading during that time, you probably invested way more value and you have way less bitcoin.  Sure, you might have had gotten lucky and beat such buy and hold results, but why take chances screwing around with an otherwise good investment (namely bitcoin) merely because you are greedy and think that you are smarter than everyone else?

In other words, why be greedy when bitcoin has been and likely will continue to be amongst the best (if not the best) of investments available to everyone and anyone who happens to have some discretionary income?

People seem to tell themselves that too much time is already being lost whenever they are holding bitcoin, I don't fully understand this since it's obvious that bitcoin investment is only possible to those who are actually willing to hold, looking back at the last 15 years we've all seen how far bitcoin has come, push it forward 5 years and anyone who started accumulating bitcoin 10 years ago would also already be seating on alot of good profit, the problem here now is that 10 years seems to be too long for most to wait out, I wasn't accumulating bitcoin 10 years ago but with how fast the last 10 years have moved for me and how recently it's events still feel makes we believe that I would have actually been holding it I had been accumulating bitcoin since then, of course right now I'm just speculating but the near future will prove whether or not I can actually hold for 10 but I believe that I will be able to hold for that long or even longer, getting bored over market movement is not realistic enough for me, it's not like I'm going to be checking every 1 hour change in price, even 1 day seems like alot of work, if you are too eager to know where the price is and you are DCAing then check it whenever you buy, this way you can get good opportunities to buy the DIP if you have the money to do so in reserve and a DIP happens during that time, calling it boring isn't something I would do.

[Joeboy]

A real investors has no business in monitoring the market thread, all he's after is how far he can accumulate as much as he can to his portfolio.

Some people think that monitoring the market is done by traders, Real investors do monitor the market too but he is not doing that with the mindset to buy bitcoin when the price is low, he is always buying with the DCA strategy why they do cheek those market trend at times is to know when they can buy more bitcoin, some times they want to accumulate more bitcoin at a lower rate when bitcoin is dip so monitoring the market isn't bad as some persons may think, i think when it's bad is timing it to only buy when the market has drop than the one can be seen as gambling and it isn't good.

As a matter of fact, someone who is monitoring the Bitcoin market surely wants to buy the dip and that is not a good idea for a serious investor. A serious investor has no time to wait for the Bitcoin price to drop before buying, but rather uses the best strategy, which is the DCA  method buying regularly every week or month. This allows the investor to buy Bitcoin at different price levels.

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It's a lie it's not everyone monitoring the market that is waiting to buy when there is a dip

Do you know that thhe word monitoring is much more deeper than just looking at something? And then if you truly understand that, youou would know that it is only traders and investors who buy the dip that engages in monitoring the market......True DCA investors are aware of the fact that if they go about monitoring the market, it will add this kind of unnecessary emotional pressure which may have a counter effect on their accumulation journey and coz of that they practically care less about this short term Bitcoin's price fluctuations, and rather focus more on  building up their Bitcoin portfolio at interval and consistently, irrespective of if the price is up or down...

[jems]

A real investors has no business in monitoring the market thread, all he's after is how far he can accumulate as much as he can to his portfolio.

Some people think that monitoring the market is done by traders, Real investors do monitor the market too but he is not doing that with the mindset to buy bitcoin when the price is low, he is always buying with the DCA strategy why they do cheek those market trend at times is to know when they can buy more bitcoin, some times they want to accumulate more bitcoin at a lower rate when bitcoin is dip so monitoring the market isn't bad as some persons may think, i think when it's bad is timing it to only buy when the market has drop than the one can be seen as gambling and it isn't good.

As a matter of fact, someone who is monitoring the Bitcoin market surely wants to buy the dip and that is not a good idea for a serious investor. A serious investor has no time to wait for the Bitcoin price to drop before buying, but rather uses the best strategy, which is the DCA  method buying regularly every week or month. This allows the investor to buy Bitcoin at different price levels.

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It's a lie it's not everyone monitoring the market that is waiting to buy when there is a dip

Do you know that thhe word monitoring is much more deeper than just looking at something? And then if you truly understand that, youou would know that it is only traders and investors who buy the dip that engages in monitoring the market......True DCA investors are aware of the fact that if they go about monitoring the market, it will add this kind of unnecessary emotional pressure which may have a counter effect on their accumulation journey and coz of that they practically care less about this short term Bitcoin's price fluctuations, and rather focus more on  building up their Bitcoin portfolio at interval and consistently, irrespective of if the price is up or down...

Every investor has different techniques and strategies for accumulating Bitcoin, I agree with the words that investors who start accumulating Bitcoin using the DCA strategy should not be too active in monitoring market price movements, it will create panic and unstable emotions but now we are talking about the whole thing, I think some investors really need to monitor market price movements to buy in large quantities when a sharp decline occurs, so there is nothing wrong with it, it depends on one's planning.

[sotelorene]

A real investors has no business in monitoring the market thread, all he's after is how far he can accumulate as much as he can to his portfolio.

Some people think that monitoring the market is done by traders, Real investors do monitor the market too but he is not doing that with the mindset to buy bitcoin when the price is low, he is always buying with the DCA strategy why they do cheek those market trend at times is to know when they can buy more bitcoin, some times they want to accumulate more bitcoin at a lower rate when bitcoin is dip so monitoring the market isn't bad as some persons may think, i think when it's bad is timing it to only buy when the market has drop than the one can be seen as gambling and it isn't good.

Monitoring the market is not bad but many times it is seen that when an investor is monitoring the market, he may fail to maintain his holdings sometimes. Because he may panic while monitoring the market. Since the Bitcoin market is volatile. If an investor adopts the principle of long-term investment and follows DCA, I think it is not necessary for him to monitor the market. The price of Bitcoin will never be bullish or bearish, but if he holds it for a long time, the investor will definitely benefit.

Anyone who is monitoring the market is doing it at his or her own risk, Bitcoin is an asset that doesn't take permission from anyone or tell anyone it will dip or rise and so if you are the type of holder that is always carried away by market movement then I don't think it is healthy for you to be monitoring the market because it takes only a strong and determined investor to withstand the pressure when market dip massively, the last time Bitcoin was close to $130k and the moment it started dropping some people were under pressure and some were scared and this led them to selling so don't monitor the market if you can't...

[Ashim costa]

Honestly, people really wants to make some gain if one can get 5% increments in their profit they can take some chances the issues comes up when only an investors decided to wait for a low price of bitcoin before embarking buying the bitcoin, as long as the investors purchase bitcoin and hod it for long term with the accumulations strategy  it is good to invest on lump sum period than targeting for price of bitcoin.

I must warned you,tampering with your Bitcoin stash isn't the right strategy to accumulate Bitcoin. By the way, considering withdrawing 5% profits from your Bitcoin investment when you haven't reached over-accumulation is a trader mindset. Collecting profits from your Bitcoin investment should comes to play after you have achieved Over-accumulation status and not before. However, an investor that waits for a Dip before buying Bitcoin is doing a great harm to himself and his investment . An investor is mandated to buy Bitcoin whenever his Discretional income is available but if a Dip occurs,he can as well make use of his Reserve funds to buy Bitcoin. Don't wait for a Dip before buying, instead buy once you have a Discretional income available, delay in investment isn't encouraging and can be harmful to investment.

Taking 5 percent from your Bitcoin investment is not really trading and I don't know what to call that but it is not a good way to accumulate Bitcoin because it is going to delay one's target or goal because if someone set a target to accomplish and then they are indulging themselves in this act of taking 5 percent from their portfolio it will really affect them unless as they are taking 5 percent they are accumulating X of that 5 percent and maybe in this way it won't be an issue to them but ordinarily we are suppose to touch our investment when we have reach overaccumulation stage.

I get what you mean bro, and I agree.. Taking small percentages out from your Bitcoin holdings might look harmless, but in the long run, it actually slows down growth and delays your real target.
The whole idea of investing in Bitcoin is to let it compound and grow over time. Unless that 5% you are taking is being replaced or reinvested somewhere productive, it is better to just hold tight until you have reached that overaccumulation stage. That is when taking profit really makes sense.

As we build the size of our bitcoin holdings, we have more and more options in regards to how to treat that value that is ongoingly growing. 

The value is likely growing through our ongoingly adding to it and it is potentially growing (or maybe it is shrinking in value from time to time) with the passage of time and as presumptively in the long run the price of bitcoin goes up, even though in short-time periods the value might be up or down and the value may change way more than the amount that we had been putting into it for any given period.

We can get tempted to tap into it or to try to predict which way the BTC price is going to go, yet of course, that is not the ONLY thing going on in our lives, and if we are not managing the rest of our finances well and/or we might get tempted by wants/desires/needs in the real world. .. The needs/wants in the real world can be for consumption and/or for investment into other places, and surely some of those needs/wants could be justified and other times they might merely be distractions and contributing to our losing focus in regards to where we should be keeping and/or building our value.

No one can answer these questions for others, even though many of us likely recognize that historical mistakes and regrets that people have in regards to their bitcoin investment has many times been their failure/refusal to sufficiently build it, which may well would have had been as a result of not buying enough or selling too much too early.

Past performance cannot give any assurance in the direction of future performance, and when we withdraw value from bitcoin (whether it is 5% or some other amount) we are taking chances with that value and sometimes we might not know the results or ramifications in regards to our taking such actions.. so we might call it gambling and/or trading - it is just depending on our justifications for doing it and our expectations.. and surely guys who had accumulated way more bitcoin in their beginning years may well have a lot more options as compared to guys who had not accumulated as much bitcoin, and guys who accumulated a lot of bitcoin might still not be very close to reaching their target accumulation level, so their withdrawal of some value might delay their building of their bitcoin holdings, and sure there are some cases in which they ended up being successful in their being able to buy back cheaper with that amount, even though many of us have pointed out that selling BTC could end up putting some guys in a wrong mentality and way of thinking about bitcoin when for their own good they should stay focused on accumulating bitcoin and if they have reasons to need some value for other projects or desires, it may well be better for them to fund such projects/desires through other sources (besides using their bitcoin for such).

None of us can tell others what to do, even though we should have some reasonable basis for actions that we take in regards to our bitcoin accumulation process and any actions that we might take that might interfere (or change) how we are approaching our bitcoin accumulation.

Oh, by the way, there could be situations where guys had miscalculated and/or misunderstood their own circumstances, and it could have had been that they had mistakenly overly allocated into bitcoin on a short term basis, so they might feel that it is necessary for them to pull out some of that over allocation to the extent that it might be problematic for them to keep such value in bitcoin and if they might not figure out some alternative means to deal with their earlier mistake.  Whether we label this kind of behavior as trading, gambling, or even sloppiness might not always be clear in terms of if we had gotten into such situations intentionally or if we had made mistakes that worked to our advantage or perhaps to our disadvantage by the time we discovered the mistake.  It seems to me that guys sometimes will need to consider and/or reconsider their approach, and sometimes in the process of making various changes to correct mistakes they might later figure out that they made the situation worse in the way that they ended up trying to fix their earlier mistake(s)

Sometime there are difficulties measuring the way that events played out versus how they would have had played out under other circumstances, so we have to work with what we have, and many times we cannot go back and fix certain kinds of errors, and sometimes the errors might not be great enough to be measurable in any kind of a meaningful way.. since some value is measurable and some is not as easy to quantify... and sometimes we purposefully might put some value into what we believe to be inferior assets because we want to hedge, and we might not specifically be aiming to get the most value but instead a certain level of comfort that we are happy with no matter the direction because we have value that we might keep in various areas even if we consider some of the areas to be inferior to our investment in bitcoin.

The consequences of taking risks or making irrational decisions are always your own. Financial preparation and backup funds are important when it comes to Bitcoin investing. Many ordinary people start investing in Bitcoin when they already have some backup funds, such as two to four weeks' worth. But those who have no backup funds at all should first create a minimum financial security because investing in Bitcoin is not reasonable without discretionary income. If a person starts with a backup fund of two to four weeks, they can gradually increase both their Bitcoin stack and backup funds together. It may be a reasonable approach to initially keep half of their Bitcoin and half in the backup fund, but this needs to be adjusted according to everyone's situation. Therefore, before starting Bitcoin, it is important to acquire a financial foundation, backup funds, and common sense so that it is possible to continue investing in the long term.

Conceptually, it's true, but whether we've missed it or not is a personal choice. Did you know that the most boring job is simply watching the market move without Our presence, and that's is quite make we so boring too.

The current hot topic is the unlimited amount of money in the Federal Reserve and the market will explode in 2026. Are we resilient enough not to sell our assets at a temporary peak? Because the market is always rational.

Let's not be idle when that moment comes.

A lot of people fuck up their whole bitcoin investment because they are bored and they want action and they cannot resist moving around value when they would have had been way better off to stay focused and to just keep accumulating bitcoin, whether they perceive the price as high, low or otherwise.

Maybe you, martinex, think that you have it all figured out, and surely you have been registered on the forum for nearly as long as me, but you don't have a post history, and you seem to also have a lot of distractions with shitcoins that may or may not have had worked out very well for you.

Think about it martinex.  If you had merely put $50 per week into bitcoin since your forum registration date (of March 22, 2014), you would have had invested just under $30k into bitcoin in the past 11-ish years, and right now you would have more than 22 BTC.   

I doubt that fucking around with trading (or trying to time bitcoin rises and falls in price during that time) could have gotten you much better results than that or that it would have had been worth it to be fucking around trying to figure out the ups and downs in bitcoin. If you were fucking around trading during that time, you probably invested way more value and you have way less bitcoin.  Sure, you might have had gotten lucky and beat such buy and hold results, but why take chances screwing around with an otherwise good investment (namely bitcoin) merely because you are greedy and think that you are smarter than everyone else?

In other words, why be greedy when bitcoin has been and likely will continue to be amongst the best (if not the best) of investments available to everyone and anyone who happens to have some discretionary income?

Taking 5 percent from your Bitcoin investment is not really trading and I don't know what to call that but it is not a good way to accumulate Bitcoin because it is going to delay one's target or goal because if someone set a target to accomplish and then they are indulging themselves in this act of taking 5 percent from their portfolio it will really affect them unless as they are taking 5 percent they are accumulating X of that 5 percent and maybe in this way it won't be an issue to them but ordinarily we are suppose to touch our investment when we have reach overaccumulation stage.

I cannot agree with you. No matter how much profit you make during Bitcoin accumulation, selling is never a good sign. Even if it is a small percentage, it can become a regular habit. Whether you sell 5% or 1%, you will lose all the opportunity to take out of the hold.

True.  Selling any amount could become a bad habit and counter-productive.

In the case of investing in Bitcoin for a long time, it is very important to hold steadily and not sell Bitcoin under any circumstances.

Well both holding and keeping on buying.. merely HODLing might not be good enough if you have not built up a large enough bitcoin stash.

Let me explain with an example that if the price of Bitcoin continues to increase by 50% every year, then each time the new profit will be added to the old profit. But if you sell something and that will remain your loss.

Bitcoin is not guaranteed to go up.  It could go up or down.  None of us know in advance.  The mere fact that bitcoin has historically (on average) gone up seems to not be a good enough reason not to sell it.

And if someone gains in the short term, it means that he loses in the long term.. In the short term, if someone takes 5% profit from holding, but if the price is higher in next week, then he has lost comparatively and along with that, he has lost the consistency of investment.  Therefore, it is much more important to create a holding mentality, rather than making big losses by taking small profits like this. Be a strong holders and not try to sell bitcoin at investment time.

Sure.  I agree with this.. Keep buying and when in doubt just hold since it can potentially take a long time to build a bitcoin stash that is sufficiently large enough.

So maybe a person spends 1-2 cycles accumulating and then maybe another cycle holding (or maintaining) and then after going through those two phases, he might start to be in a phase where he might withdraw portions of his BTC from time to time - some variation of sustainable withdrawal that might be price based and/or time based. 

There are some guys who sell most, if not all of their BTC, which seems problematic, even though surely guys can do what they like in terms of the extent that they consider bitcoin to be a llfe-time investment or something that they get in and out of.  A lot of people probably will need to learn (and figure out) how to maintain bitcoin as a lifetime investment and not to feel that they have to sell most of it or all of it merely because it is "in profits."

People will have differing ideas in regards to how to treat their bitcoin holdings once they have built up a decently good-sized stack size.

You have given a lot of great ideas about this. I really like this idea. If I summarize what you said, Bitcoin should be managed and saved very responsibly. Bitcoin holders should manage and save their holdings responsibly. As the stock of Bitcoin increases, it becomes very complicated to decide whether to sell or hold. There are many investors who make the mistake of withdrawing 5% without properly monitoring the market. Such steps are often seen as hindering long-term goals. Therefore, everyone should focus on continuous savings. Avoid unnecessary withdrawals. Before investing in Bitcoin, a financial scholarship should be established. And having savings is very important.
Some investors get greedy and take irrational steps. The best way to avoid taking these irrational steps is to be patient. And continue to hold by buying. Real investors view Bitcoin as a lifetime asset, not something they consider a transaction. Selling too quickly can lead to missed opportunities for long-term appreciation.

[wmaurik]

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It's a lie it's not everyone monitoring the market that is waiting to buy when there is a dip and i never made any mention of or encourage that we should wait for the dip before we can buy bitcoin i don't know why you guys turn things upside down i never an should wait for the dip rather can be buy regularly using the DCA strategy and buy more when there is a dip this is the reason why investors monitor the market at this not that they are doing that to dip only the dip.

The Bitcoin price is currently declining, and this could be due to excessive selling. Therefore, on the one hand, investors who are still keen to buy will continue to capitalize on this, even though they usually buy in any situation. However, conditions like these should also be utilized more wisely without being afraid of price drops, because Bitcoin's price can still rise again when there is sufficient buying demand in the market. I see this as an opportunity that is already visible, even though some people are starting to be afraid to buy because the market has continued to show price declines in the past two days.

[Jostern]

A real investors has no business in monitoring the market thread, all he's after is how far he can accumulate as much as he can to his portfolio.

Some people think that monitoring the market is done by traders, Real investors do monitor the market too but he is not doing that with the mindset to buy bitcoin when the price is low, he is always buying with the DCA strategy why they do cheek those market trend at times is to know when they can buy more bitcoin, some times they want to accumulate more bitcoin at a lower rate when bitcoin is dip so monitoring the market isn't bad as some persons may think, i think when it's bad is timing it to only buy when the market has drop than the one can be seen as gambling and it isn't good.

Monitoring the market is not bad but many times it is seen that when an investor is monitoring the market, he may fail to maintain his holdings sometimes. Because he may panic while monitoring the market. Since the Bitcoin market is volatile. If an investor adopts the principle of long-term investment and follows DCA, I think it is not necessary for him to monitor the market. The price of Bitcoin will never be bullish or bearish, but if he holds it for a long time, the investor will definitely benefit.

Monitoring the market doesn’t add or decrease anything to us investing in bitcoin, which is why I think monitoring the Bitcoin market price is really not important, which is why we should always be more focused in buying bitcoin, someone who wants to invest in bitcoin maybe a newbie or a beginner I think the most ideal thing is to get started instead of watching the market price.

With the nature of bitcoin, I guess some folks would be feeling like they can be Mr know it all, and they will feel they can be ahead of themselves, which I think it’s never necessary when investing in bitcoin, I wouldn’t believe someone coming to me and telling me that they can predict the price of bitcoin in next week or next month, I would say that is absolutely fallacy.

[puloweh555]

Honestly, people really wants to make some gain if one can get 5% increments in their profit they can take some chances the issues comes up when only an investors decided to wait for a low price of bitcoin before embarking buying the bitcoin, as long as the investors purchase bitcoin and hod it for long term with the accumulations strategy  it is good to invest on lump sum period than targeting for price of bitcoin.

It all depends on the level of understanding and desire of each individual investor. Although some individuals may offer the best ideas and advice for investors who prefer to wait to buy Bitcoin, they will still pursue their own ideas without regard for others' ideas, even if they seem to outshine their own. Therefore, each of us must not only be smart in suggesting to others, but also be smart and able to implement those ideas ourselves so that when others see the unique ideas we've created, they'll ask us for help without us having to tell them.

That's right. Every investor certainly has their own goals and strategies, so don't force yourself to accept advice from others. Therefore it's important to thoroughly study Bitcoin and learn all available strategies so you can make decisions or implement strategies that align with your goals.

Studying Bitcoin thoroughly will give you more confidence when making decisions, whether it's buying Bitcoin or taking profits when selling it. Essentially, you need to continuously learn to deepen your understanding of investing.