Only Bitcoin related posts are allowed in Local Languages Section?

[BlackHatCoiner]

This might be irrelevant, but in our Greek board no topic was deleted with the justification of being "unrelated to Bitcoin" (and nor should it be, in my opinion). At least, not in the past four years that I've been active. (Our mod is inactive about two years now, but I presume others could respond to reports)

Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ

Yeah... I always found this title a bit misleading as well...

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[joker_josue]

Since the forum rules are unofficial...

What makes you think the forum rules are unofficial? Where did you read about it? Can you provide a link where this is written?

Joker is right.... It's clearly written.


Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ

And where is he right? You, like him (as well as many others) have reached legendary rank, and you still don't understand what the title of the topic says "Unofficial" refers to the list that mprep created, and the rules are quite official, which is clearly indicated by the word "official" in parentheses. The rules are official, the list is unofficial.

And where is he right? You, like him (as well as many others) have reached legendary rank, and you still don't understand what the title of the topic says "Unofficial" refers to the list that mprep created, and the rules are quite official, which is clearly indicated by the word "official" in parentheses. The rules are official, the list is unofficial.

Both truth and two wrongs can co-exist BTW   I've never read it like that...

Honestly, I never saw it that way. But I'm not going to discuss that either, because I'm not an expert in English.


Now according to the sources cited to write the rules, they are based on guidelines and not rules.

Sources:
[1] - "Forum moderation policy" - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=20333.0
[2] - "Marketplace rules and guidelines" - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3629.0
[3] - "Currency Exchange rules and guidelines" - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=594959.0
[4] - "Do not post about altcoins here, use the correct sub-forums please." - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=401897.0
[5] - "NEWBIE README" - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177133.0
[6] - "Giveaway threads are not allowed" - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=434310.0
[7] - "Do not post off-topic replies" - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=14356.0
[8] - "Advertising spam is not allowed" - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=718124.0
[9] - "Ads in posts" - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=749961.0
[10] - "Re: [Serious] Avatar Rules Discussion" - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1011789.msg10977206#msg10977206
[11] - "Mixers to be banned" - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476162.0
[12] - "Re: Mixers to be banned" - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476162.msg63287304#msg63287304

Furthermore, the OP's final note is clear in saying that what is listed are just conclusions drawn based on the observations made (not based on clearly pre-established rules):

Legal note: this forum post is a collection of personal observations on how Bitcointalk.org moderation functions at this point in time. It is not a codified set of rules or policies and may be partially or wholly inaccurate. I did not decide upon these policies and have no legal power to change or remove them. All legal queries, requests and demands regarding actual forum policy should be directed at the owner of Bitcointalk.org.

Based on this, I came to the conclusion that the "rules" listed were not official, but a general consensus between moderators and users, which guided their behavior in the community.

If there is a list of official rules, then there should be a topic or web page with that list. Created directly by the forum administration or moderation.
This is my understanding, of course.
But, soon, I accept this new perspective - which in 10 years I never had. I apologize if I misled anyone.

[BitCoinDream]

Here, I'd like to highlight that in the sections for Other languages/locations, local communities like Pakistan, বাংলা (Bengali), and Укpaїнcькa (Ukrainian) don't have their own boards. A single topic is the only place to discuss anything related to bitcoin, cryptocurrencies, politics, or off-topic discussions in a local language.

If a community have it's own board like Pyccкий (Russian) and Italiano (Italian) you can easily separate posts related to bitcoin or altcoin etc. But for one local thread you don't have this option and allowing only bitcoin related posts seems like there should not be any discussion at all.

Agreed. But, fortunately, we, at বাংলা (Bengali) thread, have not experienced much of an interference from moderator's end in this regard.

[Igebotz]

Thanks Shahzad and xal0lex for your support and for standing for a board, I hope a time will come Pakistani will get there own board where they will post relevant content and as Igebotz said Nigerian board before getting one, posted all kinds of posts and there was no such rule, we are not against the rule (I assume, BTW I am not) what I stand for is to get a board, rules are not easily changed and I know that but I think getting local board is harder then that.

It's also in the rules and the only thing forbidden on a single local board is " coin announcement translation" everything other discussion is allowed.

There is no Bitcoin without Society and there's no society without politics and politics comes in different from. Whoever deleted those posts needs to read this part of the rules. ..

All Local boards - Discussion of various topics in the appropriate language. Posting translated coin announcements is limited to languages that have their own section (a.k.a. dedicated board with sub-boards)

[Hamza2424]

I'm with the Pakistani local board on this. When you have just a local thread to discuss everything about cryptocurrency, both local and international news, then one would need the freedom to discuss multiple topics on that thread, including off topic content as well, cause there is no where else to do that.

Hmm, currently, we manage various types of posts within a single thread, be it news, analysis, or educational content—all on the same page. This setup has its drawbacks; at times, locating relevant posts becomes quite challenging. Initially, I diligently shared educational posts in a structured and organized manner. However, due to the nature of the single-threaded setup, user engagement was disappointingly low. Consequently, I decided to refrain from posting major educational content.

Instead, I opted for a different approach: personally guiding users through one-on-one conversations. This method involves discussions infused with personal experiences and references, proving to be more effective in engaging users. However, I am concerned about potential repetition in discussions when addressing the same topics with different users on different days. Nevertheless, given the absence of a dedicated board, we are compelled to adopt such methods to convey information effectively.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

I do not know whether Xal0lex can speak Urdu (assuming it is the local language used) or not, but if there is no local mod who can evaluate the quality of posts and the extent of off-topic, it is better to be Bitcoin only discussions, with off-topic thread.

I am pretty sure one does not need to be a local language speaking or writer these days to moderate a local board. Google translation does the basic duty however for quality moderation, a local board needs a local language speaker.

All Local boards - Discussion of various topics in the appropriate language. Posting translated coin announcements is limited to languages that have their own section (a.k.a. dedicated board with sub-boards)

Not the sub-board.

Xal0lex also pointed out that a rule from hilariousandco states that only bitcoin related posts are allowed in local languages section.

mprep talked about sub-boards but hilariousandco did not mention anything about it. It could be a misunderstanding and the result is the deleted posts where there is only one topic for the local community.

[Igebotz]

I do not know whether Xal0lex can speak Urdu (assuming it is the local language used) or not, but if there is no local mod who can evaluate the quality of posts and the extent of off-topic, it is better to be Bitcoin only discussions, with off-topic thread.

I am pretty sure one does not need to be a local language speaking or writer these days to moderate a local board. Google translation does the basic duty however for quality moderation, a local board needs a local language speaker.

Google translator does not work on the Naija Local board - we're far into the future. No software has been able to translate the Naija Pidgin. It's really a mess there for a non-pidgin speaker to moderate. A call for a Local moderator is still pending....

You quoted my last post with "Not a sub-boards"  can you elaborate?

[Xal0lex]

It's really a mess there for a non-pidgin speaker to moderate.

Yes, the language spoken in the Pakistani branch is not my mother tongue. Nevertheless, it does not prevent me from understanding what the users of this thread write. I look through almost every post there and can understand what users write. This is enough to evaluate this or that post for violation of forum rules.

[Igebotz]

It's really a mess there for a non-pidgin speaker to moderate.

Yes, the language spoken in the Pakistani branch is not my mother tongue. Nevertheless, it does not prevent me from understanding what the users of this thread write. I look through almost every post there and can understand what users write. This is enough to evaluate this or that post for violation of forum rules.

You quote me our of context BTW- I was talking about moderating a Pidgin threads in the Naija Local board by non- pidgin speaker.. Google translator does not work there

[Xal0lex]

It's really a mess there for a non-pidgin speaker to moderate.

Yes, the language spoken in the Pakistani branch is not my mother tongue. Nevertheless, it does not prevent me from understanding what the users of this thread write. I look through almost every post there and can understand what users write. This is enough to evaluate this or that post for violation of forum rules.

You quote me our of context BTW- I was talking about moderating a Pidgin threads in the Naija Local board by non- pidgin speaker.. Google translator does not work there

I don't need Google translator to understand what users write there. I mean, it is not necessary to be a native speaker to understand what users write in the Pakistani thread.

[DYING_S0UL]

I totally agree with you. Pakistan and Bengali thread are the most active threads in the other language section. It is high time we got our own local board. Maybe someday....

And regarding off topics (not Bitcoin related), all the other languages has their own local boards. They are free to create any topic whether its  politics, bitcoin, altcoins, off topic etc. But we don't have that privilege. Hence all topics stacks together in one giant single thread.

If I give a quick summery of my thread (Bengali), we don't discuss about bitcoin all the time. We talk about current affairs, our country, the political situation, bitcoin-altcoin, education, ourselves - all the topics you could imagine. It's feels like our own little community .

Note: ICO, promotional posts, Airdrops referrals are very rare in our thread, that's why I think the MOD hasn't deleted anything from our thread.  

But in the end official or unofficial if it's a rule then we should be respectful towards it (My point of view - just saying).

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

This is one one the challenges that a local board without its child boards can face, it will be difficult to know if a post is worth deleting or not, because both bitcoin discussions posts, politics, economics and altcoins posts were all contained under the same general main board for the local board, but if a request is made on meta to Theymos and the activities of the local board has experience an increase, the admin may use that as a consideration in granting them their request, any poster who does not meet up with the required boards posts will have his post deleted then because such would have been regarded as off topic.

[KingsDen]

This is one one the challenges that a local board without its child boards can face, it will be difficult to know if a post is worth deleting or not, because both bitcoin discussions posts, politics, economics and altcoins posts were all contained under the same general main board for the local board, but if a request is made on meta to Theymos and the activities of the local board has experience an increase, the admin may use that as a consideration in granting them their request, any poster who does not meet up with the required boards posts will have his post deleted then because such would have been regarded as off topic.

I consider it as almost meaningless to have a local board without child boards. This is because I consider local boards as a forum inside the forum. The local board should be totally complete on its own such that anyone that does not understand English can settle confidently in the local board and would not be missing any significant thing in the general forum. We all understand that the main essence of the larger forum is Bitcoin, but then if I am in my local board I should be able to hang out with people and also discuss the things that affect my country most, if this avenue is are not provided for me to discuss, it will therefore render the essence of local board meaningless. If you are local board is not complete yet due to the number of engagement, I will advise that you people should manage what you have until theymos find time to create child boards in your local board.

[Casdinyard]

On one hand, I am truly against the restriction of bitcoin only topics in local languages section, but on the other, I understand why the mods from bitcointalk had to implement this feature. Having a language barrier alone is already a massive bummer to these mods since they can only do so much when it comes to communicating with people in their local languages, and for the most part, the very communication that they solely rely upon depends upon other people who could act as their ambassadors, so to make sure that people are behaving and are not doing crazy shit while the primary moderators of this forum couldn't understand what you guys are talking about, not that you're doing crazy shit in there in the first place, is to make sure that all topics within local languages section are kept to bitcoin-only.

Pretty sure if they had other ways to effectively moderate these local channels without having to rely upon other people, they'd let us guys talk in our local dialects without much trouble on the topics of the conversation or whatever. But that is not the case so we are forced to deal with it lol.

[Xal0lex]

Oh, my God, what are you guys talking about? Who forbids talking about anything else but bitcoin in local threads? I gave specific examples of what should not be in local threads. It is enough to look at the examples of deleted posts to understand what should not be there. I repeat again, there should be no posts with airdrops, translations of subscription campaigns and news about specific altcoins. I emphasize, about specific altcoins. If it were as you all write here, I would delete all posts with congratulations on the user's getting the next rank, posts about politics, posts about sports, posts with discussions about life in the country, etc. So, no need to make a mountain out of a molehill, if you know what I mean.

[Rikafip]

I consider it as almost meaningless to have a local board without child boards.

You are just talking nonsense. Your local board (Nigerian) doesn't have child boards so it "almost meaningless" and can you remember how it was when all conversation was inside the same thread?

True, child boards help a lot and forum staff should be more responsive in that matter (creating child boards) but I think that you just forgot how it was before you got your own local board.