Friends engaging on P2P gambling insights grudges amongst themselves

[EluguHcman]

Have you ever been in the situation of asking your friend (s) to go down with you on a P2P gambling just between you as friends?

This happens especially on the cards, Chess and the other skill-based gambling.
I came across friends fighting throwing words at each other one was expressing his disappointments at his other friend while the other was mocking at him.
It was discovered that the one mocking the other asked the other one to step on let them gamble on a P2P and on the process the one being mocked lost all his funds for the other guy. And he has been asking the guy that won the crown to return him return about 30% out of the $190 lost but the other guy told him that there is no return and no compensations in the gamble so if he must give him back some returns it would be based on his own will.

Guess what, after all he ended up returning $10 to his friend.
So I ask, did the friend do well in returning $10 to his friend or the returned $10 was not enough?

To me, in general, that seems wickedness of gambling between friends on a P2P because such friends are not worthy to be trusted considering the sentiments in playing to win.
I would say that is a daylight extortions amongst each others.

[Jawhead999]

This is why I don't want to gamble in real P2P, but if my friend keep forcing me, I will ask him to bet as low as possible or bet on ridiculous stuff e.g. candy, snack etc.

It's nothing new for the losers keep complaining about their losses, just like many users in this forum who create fake accusation even though they're loss and broke the rules. That's why third party is needed here.

[Nwada001]

One-on-one gambling is one of the most dangerous ways to get into betting with anyone. The violence it promotes is just something else compared to other forms of gambling. You can easily get physical and life-threatening with your opponent if they start feeling uncomfortable due to your high rate of winning them. 
 
On the aspect of returning some of the money, just like some casinos give back some percentage of their weekly or monthly wage to their customers, it's something of a choice, and this should also be based on the agreement they made before they decided to place a bet in the first place.
 
What the other person did was just to reduce the anger that the person who won was having; if there was no such agreement to return some of the money, then there is no need to do that. If the guy knows that he can't accept defeat, why gamble with that kind of money in the first place?

[Oshosondy]

So I ask, did the friend do well in returning $10 to his friend or the returned $10 was not enough?

He do not want to lose then why did he gamble? Or let me say he do not want to lose 30% of the $190, then why did he gamble with the 30%. 30% of $190 is $57. He could have just gambled with $133 or lesser than that. If he won his friend, what tendency that he will even give the $10 back? No tendency. I will prefer not to gamble with a friend but if I did, I will not give him even 1 cent back.

[Crypt0Gore]

Hmm, this makes me think about a lot of other things.

P2P gambling with friends can suck if you all can't trust each other, not all friends like keeping their words, and fights? This happens even in online  multiplayer games like Fortnite.

Are there people hoping that Metaverse works well with gambling? It's going to be the same experience, people will always be people, there will be fights and hateful words coming from friends to friends.

Still, I recommend online gambling among friends, with a metaverse idea, because the company will be the middle man, when or if anyone wins they get paid, and about the hate words and cursing, the company only needs to introduce a ban on anyone's account if they use hateful words on other players.

If you don't want to be monitored, I doubt you will have a good experience gambling with your friends, when people even friends lose money unexpectedly, they will probably misbehave, and also you can't tell if your friend is really ready to lose some certain amount.

[Baofeng]

It's competition between two, so what you do expect? specially friends who have known each other so there will be a lot of trash talking and what not. And for sure, they want to beat each other, in a P2P battle.

I think it's enough to return what ever he wants to his friends. And at the end of the day, most likely they will still be friends. It's that their fiercely competitor and just like in any other sports, you have to beat the other guy no matter what.

[KiaKia]

To me, in general, that seems wickedness of gambling between friends on a P2P because such friends are not worthy to be trusted considering the sentiments in playing to win.
I would say that is a daylight extortions amongst each others.

If I want to gamble with my friends, I will scream out loud on them first, about using only what they cab afford to lose its my style, because I don't want to hear some sad sober after losing money.

After this you must abide by the rules and give accept your losses if you lose, but of cos not everyone will be this transparent, that why some people prefer using an outsider like a referee like, to keep the game clean and fair.

Money can turn friends into enemies and it can turn families into enemies too, this is why you should be careful when money is involved in anything we are doing, your trusted friends can't be trusted when money is involved.

[Queentoshi]

And he has been asking the guy that won the crown to return him return about 30% out of the $190 lost but the other guy told him that there is no return and no compensations in the gamble so if he must give him back some returns it would be based on his own will.

The winner in this situation is completely correct about there not being any form of compensation in gambling after losing. The consequence of losing is total loss, and other it can be a bitter and hard lesson, the loser has to learn it, so next time he will think again before choosing to want to gamble with a friend.

Guess what, after all he ended up returning $10 to his friend.
So I ask, did the friend do well in returning $10 to his friend or the returned $10 was not enough?

He did well to return 10 USD, Casino's and betting websites do not have such a policy to compensate gamblers when they lose in gambling, so he should thank his friend for his thoughtfulness and sympathy to compensate him the loser.

[Eternad]

Have you ever been in the situation of asking your friend (s) to go down with you on a P2P gambling just between you as friends?

This is absurd thing to do or else you really not friends. Why do you want to gamble within yourself and inflict loss to each other while you can do this against the casino or other person that you didn’t knew personally.

Both of them are always together so in the end they will just spend the winning money together when they purchase something for sharing. Besides it’s really awkward to bet against each other because the intention of gambling is to earn money through the lose of others.

[Hispo]

I would not even consider to engage in PvP gambling with friends, specially if there are actual amounts of money involved in the game. It is better just to let the PvP gambling with real money to happen among strangers, in my opinion.

There is a good example which is common in my family and close relatives, every time we choose to gather to play cards and have fun during some holiday I have noticed those who play cards choose not to wager actual money but the wager stones, or bottle caps which represent the money. The reason is exactly for them to avoid to have fighting and hold grudges about the money lost/won. It so specially important, because they usually drink a bit while the gamble, so of they wagered actual money, they could fight.

I think the main takeaways about this is how one is supposed to care of one's friendships and be aware enough not to spoil all by winning money from them and even to brag about it.

[Gozie51]

Guess what, after all he ended up returning $10 to his friend.
So I ask, did the friend do well in returning $10 to his friend or the returned $10 was not enough?

10% is fair enough. That should be about $19 from the money he won from his friend. Asking for 30% is quite selfish of the loser but it is fine to see that they resolved at 10%

To me, in general, that seems wickedness of gambling between friends on a P2P because such friends are not worthy to be trusted considering the sentiments in playing to win.

It is not wickedness and nothing is wrong with that in terms of money exchanging hands in such situation of local gambling. Such is regarded as face to face gambling or local gambling and it is usually done by friends who are close to each other. Sometimes when such friends are at it gambling, people who are not in that circle may not know they are gambling and even their friends could go pass dem without knowing that the game their kids are playing that they bet money on it. This is an old system of gambling and it is usually by young friends in the neighborhood.

The only thing that is wrong with it is that it usually ends in fighting which could be caused by anything including argument, confusion or settlement at the end of the game. Usually the fight starts from the loser who becomes angry at any slightest provocation   of course because he is losing his money.

One of the disadvantages of this P2P betting is that gamblers don't control their emotions and they gamble as they can't bear even to gamble on credit all because they are angry their friend(s) would be going home with their hard earned money so they want to do everything to regain their money leading to all sorts of anger and vituperation that can end in fighting. Most straight fights by youths are as a result of gambling

I would say that is a daylight extortions amongst each others.

It is not extortion. It is a normal grassroot gambling pattern and involves settlement to the loser at the end of the game but where the winner doesn't settle the loser on any amount or as lower as what the loser expect, either the loser starts a fight or he waits for his own turn to win and get back to repay the loser in his own deed.

[_act_]

10% is fair enough. That should be about $19 from the money he won from his friend. Asking for 30% is quite selfish of the loser but it is fine to see that they resolved at 10%

It is not related to fair at all but the winner is willing to give the loser back 10% which is not bad at all but that makes me not to talk about fair or not. What makes it fair to me is that if there is not cheating and no manipulation. If the winner do not give back any amount of money, it is also fair as long as there is no cheating and manipulation by any if the gambler. If I am the friend, I will not give back the money at all but spend it all. Although the loser may be begging the winner and the winner may just be considerate. The right word is consideration.

[acroman08]

So I ask, did the friend do well in returning $10 to his friend or the returned $10 was not enough?

the person who gave his friend $10 is more than generous enough. it's gambling, if you gamble you need to know your limit, if you know you don't want to lose your money, don't gamble. I gamble with my friends, family and relatives from time to time and all of us know that if you lose, then you lose. you can ask for a tip and that is all that you can do, you don't get to demand that the person who won give you a portion of your money back. the guy who demanded that 30% of the money he lost be given back to him should avoid gambling or people avoid gambling with him.

[joniboini]

I don't know what to say about this. Insults aside, how can they gamble that much money if they can't afford to lose them all just because they know each other? I can understand if they make a contract or invite a third party to mediate that, but it sounds like both of them are quite naive.

I don't recall seeing my friends or strangers do something like this, but I do know one or two people who like to borrow and delay the payment because both of them are friends. Not to the point of insulting each other though. I do agree that making P2P bets with your friend is a recipe to destroy your relationship, anything related to money usually ends up that way. CMIIW.

[crwth]

I don't get it. If you aren't calm about losing money in a bet, then you shouldn't bet at all. Having that discussion and losing that $190 and the loser asking 30% is just a disgrace. He is a sore loser with the way he handled the loss. It's just not reliable to bet if that's the kind of person he is.

[letteredhub]

Guess what, after all he ended up returning $10 to his friend.
So I ask, did the friend do well in returning $10 to his friend or the returned $10 was not enough?

To me, in general, that seems wickedness of gambling between friends on a P2P because such friends are not worthy to be trusted considering the sentiments in playing to win.
I would say that is a daylight extortions amongst each others.

No! That's not any form of extortion, it was a voluntarily p2p gambling between the two despite they are friends doesn't mean the money won by one party ought to be returned to the other party. It should be a thing done out of volition by the friend. This is not something alien to me as I have friends that we together waste away time by gambling amongg ourselves and the winners end up buying beers for everyone that we have to drink and make random gists without fighting or quarrelling. What I just picture from those two friend s is that they are not mature minded persons.

[Zoomic]

Have you ever been in the situation of asking your friend (s) to go down with you on a P2P gambling just between you as friends?

This happens especially on the cards, Chess and the other skill-based gambling.
I came across friends fighting throwing words at each other one was expressing his disappointments at his other friend while the other was mocking at him.
It was discovered that the one mocking the other asked the other one to step on let them gamble on a P2P and on the process the one being mocked lost all his funds for the other guy. And he has been asking the guy that won the crown to return him return about 30% out of the $190 lost but the other guy told him that there is no return and no compensations in the gamble so if he must give him back some returns it would be based on his own will.

Guess what, after all he ended up returning $10 to his friend.
So I ask, did the friend do well in returning $10 to his friend or the returned $10 was not enough?

To me, in general, that seems wickedness of gambling between friends on a P2P because such friends are not worthy to be trusted considering the sentiments in playing to win.
I would say that is a daylight extortions amongst each others.

I believe they both understood the terms and conditions attached to the p2p gambling before deciding to gamble. I bet you, the one who loss wouldn't have been upset if he was the one who won. I see no extortion here since no one forced anyone to gamble, it was voluntary and there must always be a winner and a loser. Anyone who is scared of losing money or who is never willing to lose money should not engage in gambling. And if you cannot control your emotions no matter what kind of gambling you engage in, then gambling is not for you too. It is sad to know that a game which was supposed to be a fun activity turn out to ruin the friendship that existed between the two because one party was not willing to accept the outcome of the game. As a gambler, always prepare your mind for any outcome, this way you don't let your emotions control you.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Yep, i`m still with the profit. I make such bets only if i`ve won that week, so i don`t sure that i remember it - it is funny even if i lose.

It’s true, I’m very happy for you and that you’re still making a profit.  And I wish you good luck so that it continues in your game and if “payment for the pleasure of gambling” appears in your game, it will only cause laughter and smiles.  And this game will never bring serious disappointment. 
This is exactly how I imagine the ideal use of casino services by players

Thanks If we don`t talking about gambling as a job - the gambling must be positive. You can lose money, but get positive emotions. If you win some money - you can "feed a bookie" and get exciting match.
If for you gambling is a job - it is more difficult to get positive emotions, but you get result that satisfies you. The only thing we must always remember - the gambling must not become the entire life.

Gambling should not done as a job because taking  it as a job (which means you would  be doing it for an entire  life time because  last i check there's no form of retirement could ruin you financially  and even psychological and if lucky, you could become  the next millionaire but the chance of getting this is very slim.

In general, I don’t really understand people who treat gambling as their job. 
Everyone knows that the work of any person can bring satisfaction and at some moments become boring and very annoying, especially when you are simply tired of work.  And gambling, if it begins to irritate you, then why continue to play with one stupid and stupid thought of winning back the lost money.  A smarter player understands perfectly well that in such a state it is almost impossible to win back. 
So it turns out that working in gambling is a complete stupid thing that not very smart people do.  And ahead of them there is only disappointment.

Common sense would really be enough for you to determine on what gambling is and on how these things should really be treated up. Its really that impossible that you cant really be able to distinguish in between
casino games and these businesses. Well yeah when it comes to revenue making then these things have different markets that had been served but of course it wont really be that hard to make you realize
on how these places do make easy money out of those people who had been diving or really that making some engagement into it. Thing here is that you do make involvement according
on what is into your real intent.

Well, respecting the way of thinking of each one of you, I have a coniviction, I could not see gambling in a casino as a job, because for me it involves a lot of risk, that's fine, we can be very lucky and expand our balance, it is You can generate a lot of money, but just as you can have that good luck, you can count on the bad luck of losing everything and a job is one that you do for at least 15 days and they give you a fortnight or 30 days where you receive the same salary. , so in view of that, there is a big difference, at work if we make a mistake and we correct it then we will still have our payment, but in a casino if we make a mistake the casino will not give us the money, these are things that should be considered.

I think that the healthiest thing is to see things as they are, the casino is a means of adult entertainment that has an apparent risk, where we should not abuse our abilities, much less see it as an income or job, because we will have a bad experience. at the moment when our good streak ends.

[cabron]

Friends are friends still. REturning at least $10 voluntarily I think is a good gesture for being a sportsman between the two. And if the other party is not grateful about this $10, I guess he can take that $10 back and friendship over.

The ones who gave $10 still is willing to give this friendship a chance. But I would rather not play p2p gambling game with a friend if I know from the beginning he is a bit of a contrary person.

[promise444c5]

I think that the healthiest thing is to see things as they are, the casino is a means of adult entertainment that has an apparent risk, where we should not abuse our abilities, much less see it as an income or job, because we will have a bad experience. at the moment when our good streak ends.

More like it , gambling generally should be  taken as a means of entertaining and should only be done amoung adult because they should fix any risk incurred while playing without too much stress taken

If gambling should be taken as job there's a higher probability  of wreckage than success and must be known as casinos won't  take responsibility of any damage it does to someone