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August 02, 2024, 06:48:35 PM
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That is such a BS with this Algerian boxer. At first, Olympic committee totally failed when they allowed him/her to participate in women boxing. Look at the athlete. I see a man there. That is such an unfair situation, when a woman train to fight against women, and see this dude as an opponent on the ring.

Just look on olympic records by men and by women. Numbers arent the same, sometimes not even close. Allowing men to participate in women sport is wrong. Where women have records, men have only qualification standard (100m dash for example). That is why it is unfair what this Algerian boxer did.

I 100% agree with you. What has the world come too,i dont know how they can allow this. You can clearly see that this a man and not a woman and ofcourse you are gonna dominate them all because you are stronger and faster. This is a shame anyone know that wants to identify as something they can and participate. Those guys should be fired who let this happen.
The organizers of the Olympics are to be blamed for this. They are not supposed to allow this to happen at the first instance for one whose gender has been changed from male to female. The strength of them being men will still be in them despite their gender changed to woman.

The 40 seconds defeat was the fastest in boxing history. The blow on his nose was really painful for her not to continue with the fight. I really pity her to fight a man in woman form
I think we are all wrong if we assume and accuse him of cheat by saying that he has changed his status from a man to a woman, because if we were more knowing a lot about the laws in other countries, of course we will understand that not all countries will allow gender changes, including Algeria and the majority of other Muslim countries, Imane Khalif's victory in my opinion is valid if we refer to the regulations and also the decisions taken by the Paris Boxing Unit (PBU) which upholds Justice, Inclusion and Non-discrimination on the basis of gender identity, so that as a woman of course she deserves to fight with women, but if the boxing authorities disqualify her just because she has a testosterone disorder or hormones that are skewed like men, isn't that also one discrimination against someone who has a hormonal disorder since birth?
I would agree that he is disqualified if he is proven to have changed his gender but isn't he currently not proven to have done so?
I think the case that happened to Imane Khalif is very complicated and the sports and Olympic committees need to make wise decisions because it will involve the career of someone who has the same rights as other people.

It seems that the case that happened to Imane Khalif has also happened to other athletes:
https://apnews.com/article/caster-semenya-sex-eligbility-court-ruling-0ad6f46e1357659f8cc315dde7b01faf

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August 02, 2024, 06:55:03 PM
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Spain U23 have literally continued from where their senior national team left off in Euro 2024, they're are completely tearing this Japan team apart, and the Japan team have looked pretty solid so far all through the group stages, scoring 7 goals and never conceded any goal until today that Spain have put 3 unanswered goals past them right now, two from another Barcelona sensation Fermin Lopez and one from Abel Ruiz, this definitely all wrapped up for Spain with just 5 additional minutes left to play for.

I thought this match would be quite tough but in the end it was an easy win for Spain. Japan only looked good in the beginning but when Spain found their first goal, that was what became a disaster for Japan. Instead of equalizing the score, Japan even conceded 2 more goals. It seems that it wasn't just Spain's first goal that broke Japan's mentality but they also had to accept the bitter reality when their goal was disallowed by VAR.

Spain really looked different compared to when they played against Egypt. They played quite impressively and no longer made mistakes that resulted in them losing the previous match.

They have made significant changes in their approach towards the match, they must have indeed learned form their loss to Egypt, but that said Japan also hit the woodwork a couple of times and had some decent chances of the their own, they just could find the back of the next.

Egypt have also just restored parity against Paraguay, Paraguay had taken the lead mid way into the 2nd half and looked like they'll be running away with it, but not just yet says the Egyptians as this could be headed for an extra 30 minutes of play.

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August 02, 2024, 07:15:47 PM
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But this honestly starts to make no sense. This is all politics getting involved with sports and i dont know why they would allow this. This is messed up. If they want to allow transgenders then go make them their own competition. What is happening on this olympics is honestly crazy and messed up.


These are modern times, nowadays it is no longer the sporting aspect that stands out, but rather people defending their ideals and causes... I have nothing against someone deciding what to do with their own life, but I consider a dispute like this in sport to be very unfair... No matter how much a person chooses their gender, biologically it is impossible to change, that is, a man will always have much more physical strength than a woman.

This is also a consideration because if I'm not mistaken she was previously disqualified at the 2023 World Championships but did qualify for the 2024 Olympics this time.
It will be a debate for Imane Khelif because as you said even though we cannot condemn her choice to be transgender but still for this championship it is another consideration because of the difference in strength between men and women.

Although this may have been a collective decision when deciding Imane Khelif to continue competing, it seems that as long as she is still in the Olympics and may even become a champion later then it is certain that there will be a lot of pros and cons for her victory, and as evidenced for yesterday's match alone, many people have argued and even seemed to be cornered which I think is also unfair to Imane Khelif but in the end this also happened because of her decision to be in the Olympic boxing branch this year.


I felt really sorry for the opposing boxer, just imagine... preparing for years and years and then during an Olympic competition this happens... fighting against an athlete who failed the gender test, Angela Carini must be feeling the worst feeling in the world, which is injustice...

Even if Imane Khelif is not transsexual, she has testosterone levels that are much higher than normal, so in my opinion, this should be equivalent to doping, that is, she would not be able to fight or compete in these Olympics under any circumstances... it is comparable to some kind of cheating to win.

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August 02, 2024, 07:19:21 PM
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Don't get me wrong, Imane has 9 losses in her career, she is not some super human, if a male fought these ladies he would destroy them unless he is some weakling, this woman is a woman, but she has a disease that makes her incredibly strong compared to any other woman, there are only a few hundred to thousand people who has this disease and none of them are boxers, just Imane Khalif, so everyone thought she was transgender. Both sides are wrong, no she is not transgender, she wasn't born a male and transitioned, but she is also not any regular woman neither, so it's still unfair.


I'm curious how many in sports are old enough to remember her:



Yeah, definitely a she, and still holds the 800m  record from 1983!
I wonder what would happen if she would compete now,of course setting aside the thing everyone knew she was taking something for sure, but at different times, harder to prove doping then.

Still, the problem with Imane Khelif  is her testosterone levels, we have a previous case of a pure female banned for those levels:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/06/sport/caster-semenya-totestosterone-limits-world-athletics-spt-intl/index.html
they allowed Khelif to participate without this test.

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August 02, 2024, 07:43:18 PM
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I felt really sorry for the opposing boxer, just imagine... preparing for years and years and then during an Olympic competition this happens... fighting against an athlete who failed the gender test, Angela Carini must be feeling the worst feeling in the world, which is injustice...

Even if Imane Khelif is not transsexual, she has testosterone levels that are much higher than normal, so in my opinion, this should be equivalent to doping, that is, she would not be able to fight or compete in these Olympics under any circumstances... it is comparable to some kind of cheating to win.

I don't when it has become a crime to win an Olympic boxing fight. Some people have been using both social media and other news channels to speak badly about the Algerian female boxer.

These attackers of Imane Khelif are either biased, misinformed or have racist tendencies. They are talking as if Angela Carini was thrown into the ring to fight a man. Khelif might have faced some difficulty in the past in proving her sex, but she is not a superwoman. She has lost nine fights and even lost in the last Olympics fighting against women. Using the case of an unprepared boxer who decided to throw in the towel after 46 seconds to discredit the Algerian is not acceptable. Would there be an outcry from these racists if it was the Italian that won the fight?

The Olympic committee has stated that she passed the criteria to compete in the competition. She should be given the support to continue and not be distracted by these unwarranted attacks.

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A new Olympic record was broken in the 10 thousand meters final
Cheptegei from Uganda set the new Olympic Record with 26 minutes and 43 seconds.
Cheptegei, who previously won a silver medal in the games held in Japan. This time he won the gold medal, breaking a record.
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Heh, social media has come to BTT. Just get over shit and deal with whatever decision and result comes by. I seriously doubt people complained as much before as they do today. Want to get gold? Do whatever it takes, but do not be a crybaby.

Now, are France going to spank Argentina properly in the second half? I don't know. I'm going to bed.

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Don't get me wrong, Imane has 9 losses in her career, she is not some super human, if a male fought these ladies he would destroy them unless he is some weakling, this woman is a woman, but she has a disease that makes her incredibly strong compared to any other woman, there are only a few hundred to thousand people who has this disease and none of them are boxers, just Imane Khalif, so everyone thought she was transgender. Both sides are wrong, no she is not transgender, she wasn't born a male and transitioned, but she is also not any regular woman neither, so it's still unfair.


I'm curious how many in sports are old enough to remember her:



Yeah, definitely a she, and still holds the 800m  record from 1983!
I wonder what would happen if she would compete now,of course setting aside the thing everyone knew she was taking something for sure, but at different times, harder to prove doping then.

Still, the problem with Imane Khelif  is her testosterone levels, we have a previous case of a pure female banned for those levels:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/06/sport/caster-semenya-totestosterone-limits-world-athletics-spt-intl/index.html
they allowed Khelif to participate without this test.


Am too that old when it comes to the Olympics games and competition but I won't lie, if you hadn't mentioned that this person is a her then I would have thought that this is definitely a man and I think there is also a similar case with a boxer in this present Olympic games although I don't really know the names but despite the fact that her testerone levels are way up making her physique more like a man she is still allowed to participate although don't know if the boxer is also the type of athlete that takes stuff to increase their strength.

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And next is about the boxing in the women's division that have got an issue.
It's really disgusting that he's allowed to fight in this year, previous Olympic he was not allowed since he failed the testosterone test. Too bad for Angela Carini, she start her debut since 2013, fighting for 108 times and she said she never got punched so bad like this one. If in the next year they still allow male to fight with female, it's better for them to mix male and female in every sports. So, women will get used to train with men and know how hard it's, at least they will know if they able to fight with men or not.

Even Imane Khelif win the match, but Angela Carini win in people's heart.
I wouldn't still agree if there's a mix male-female for the category of females. This is an outright punch to the federation of Olympics for allowing this to happen. They should give an honorary award to Angela Carini for standing and still fought that guy for 45 seconds.

He's a badass and he's now viral on the internet. From pages that I have been following and articles that are covering the Olympics, he's what I am seeing all about. I won't be surprised if this sergeant will get a lot of offers to be part of some badass movies out there like part of James Bond or those movies where Vin Diesel is part of. He seems to be fitting those tough men whether a villain or a friend of the protagonist.

And next is about the boxing in the women's division that have got an issue.
He became famous on a global scale. He has a great charisma. Also, fighting for a gold medal and acting so cool requires great composure. Yusuf Dikeç would have been talked about more if he had won the gold medal, but it was amazing that he fought like this even in the silver medal.
That's true, he became popular and has got that charisma thanks to whoever has taken those images of him. And you're right, he went for the gold medal with that stance and no equipment except earplugs but fell short and got still, silver medal.

As for the women's boxing match, it was reported that another athlete, Busenaz Sürmeneli (the last Olympic champion), and an Algerian boxer who was in the same category, had previously been banned from the competition by the IBA, saying that it would be unfair competition and sent a letter to the Olympic Committee explaining this. Interestingly, the Olympic Committee did not see any harm in her fighting by disobeying the IBA's decision. The Italian boxer quited from the match in 46 seconds, and thus her other opponents will also withdraw from the matches, thinking about their lives. There is unfair competition in this category. I think that athletes from other countries should not compete at all. Thus, the Olympic Committee may reconsider its decision.
That's really unfair, men and women shouldn't box. How did the Olympic committee allow this to happen. While everyone is liking what's happening for their representatives getting their own gold medals, on this category, it's a shame to the organization.

I can’t say that I’m surprised this is happening in this Olympics. From the opening ceremony, it was obvious that this Olympics was going to be inclusive of all genders and groups. I think it’s unfair to the biological women that they will have to go against a male in a combat sport. I have been following the story since yesterday and some people are saying Imane Khelif isn’t trans. The whole story is just so weird. I hope we get all the facts right before their next fight.
It's really unfair, the musculinity power of men and women are unequal. And Angela said on an interview that she's never been punched like that by a men. The power punches of women to women are equal but not with this case.

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Tennis is now close to the end.
Djokovic today won against Musetti and now we have the 2 players that are in the final.
The finla will be Dkokovic vs Alcaraz.
Novak dominated the game winning 2 set at 0 for 6-4 and 6-2.
The final will be Sunday.

Tomorrow we will have the semifinal between Musetti and Felix Aliassime

Alcatraz has had djokovic's number lately.  I'm not a huge tennis guy but I love top competition.  Think this no matter what will be djokovic's highest medal even if he loses.  Seems like this was the gold medal match everyone wants to see.  It's been a pretty good Olympics so far with track and field just starting up.  Haven't bet at all but thinking about hitting the 100m and 200m dashes. Will make it more interesting.

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As for the women's boxing match, it was reported that another athlete, Busenaz Sürmeneli (the last Olympic champion), and an Algerian boxer who was in the same category, had previously been banned from the competition by the IBA, saying that it would be unfair competition and sent a letter to the Olympic Committee explaining this. Interestingly, the Olympic Committee did not see any harm in her fighting by disobeying the IBA's decision. The Italian boxer quited from the match in 46 seconds, and thus her other opponents will also withdraw from the matches, thinking about their lives. There is unfair competition in this category. I think that athletes from other countries should not compete at all. Thus, the Olympic Committee may reconsider its decision.
That's really unfair, men and women shouldn't box. How did the Olympic committee allow this to happen. While everyone is liking what's happening for their representatives getting their own gold medals, on this category, it's a shame to the organization.
huh? Imane Khelif is not a man, she was born a woman and Identified as a woman all her life, the issue was her high testosterone which is because of the medical she has. Imane Khelif also competed in the Tokyo Olympics and no one batted an eye during that time, I find it weird that a lot of people are in an uproar because a woman who naturally has high testosterone who previously competed in the Tokyo Olympics beat another woman in under 46 seconds.

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Leon Marchand has established himself as a legend in the Olympics by winning 2 back to back golds in a matter of hours which even someone like Phelps never achieved and that speaks volumes.

This dude doesn't look like he is in the mood to stop anytime soon and I guess he will win some more medals before this Olympics edition concludes.

Prior to the Olympics, I didn't know about him. For someone that missed majority of the swimming events but still see Leon Marchand getting crown with a gold medal every single time. It's really impressive to say the least. What even interesting is that he didn't just win one category but had to do it more than two times to show that it wasn't a mistake that he got the gold medal the first time.  I will keep watching him to see if he gets to win any more medal but even if he doesn't, he already has his place in the history books.

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We knowwho will fight for gold in tennis - it's Calros Alcaraz and Novak Djokovic who both won theirsemifinals without much trouble. It will be played on Sunday, while on Saturday Dona Vekic and
Qinwen Zheng will fight in wommen competition.
In football we know all semifinalists - it's Morocco - Spain and France - Egypt. Morocco and Spain had easy game, while Egypt reached semifinal only after semifinals.
Athletics competiotions started, today there was mainly qualification rounds and just one final - 10 000m where Joshua Cheptegei took gold.


Leon Marchand has established himself as a legend in the Olympics by winning 2 back to back golds in a matter of hours which even someone like Phelps never achieved and that speaks volumes.

This dude doesn't look like he is in the mood to stop anytime soon and I guess he will win some more medals before this Olympics edition concludes.
This guy is dominating in swimming pool. It's already his 4th gold in Olympics. And in Individual Medley he was just 0.06 second saway from Michael Phelps world record.

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This guy is dominating in swimming pool. It's already his 4th gold in Olympics. And in Individual Medley he was just 0.06 second saway from Michael Phelps world record.

He's just 22 years old and have achieved a lot till now. 4 golds in the same edition is unbelievable. He won golds in Men's 200m Breaststroke, Men's 200m Butterfly, Men's 200m Individual Medley and Men's 400m Individual Medley. BTW, some credit should be given to the Americans as well, since Léon Marchand is a resident of Arizona, and also part of the Arizona State University swim team. And he first came to limelight during the 2023 NCAA Division I Men's Swimming and Diving Championships.


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As for the women's boxing match, it was reported that another athlete, Busenaz Sürmeneli (the last Olympic champion), and an Algerian boxer who was in the same category, had previously been banned from the competition by the IBA, saying that it would be unfair competition and sent a letter to the Olympic Committee explaining this. Interestingly, the Olympic Committee did not see any harm in her fighting by disobeying the IBA's decision. The Italian boxer quited from the match in 46 seconds, and thus her other opponents will also withdraw from the matches, thinking about their lives. There is unfair competition in this category. I think that athletes from other countries should not compete at all. Thus, the Olympic Committee may reconsider its decision.
That's really unfair, men and women shouldn't box. How did the Olympic committee allow this to happen. While everyone is liking what's happening for their representatives getting their own gold medals, on this category, it's a shame to the organization.
huh? Imane Khelif is not a man, she was born a woman and Identified as a woman all her life, the issue was her high testosterone which is because of the medical she has. Imane Khelif also competed in the Tokyo Olympics and no one batted an eye during that time, I find it weird that a lot of people are in an uproar because a woman who naturally has high testosterone who previously competed in the Tokyo Olympics beat another woman in under 46 seconds.

It isn’t just high testosterone. He has the chromosomes of a man. Many think that is what determines sex. Even if it was just a testosterone issue though, it still wouldn’t be fair. People are supposed to win at the Olympics because they’re the best in the world at what they do. Not because they have advantages over other competitors.

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It isn’t just high testosterone. He has the chromosomes of a man. Many think that is what determines sex. Even if it was just a testosterone issue though, it still wouldn’t be fair. People are supposed to win at the Olympics because they’re the best in the world at what they do. Not because they have advantages over other competitors.
I am curious if you are just talking about hormones because this statement would basically disregard all the achievements of athletes who have biological advantages towards other athletes in the sports they are participating in.

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They have made significant changes in their approach towards the match, they must have indeed learned form their loss to Egypt, but that said Japan also hit the woodwork a couple of times and had some decent chances of the their own, they just could find the back of the next.

The blunders that Spain made when playing against Egypt really taught them a lesson. Whoever the opponent is, they still can't be careless because it could be the beginning of a nightmare. Spain will play Morocco in the semifinals, and it looks like it will be quite a tough match for both teams.

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Egypt have also just restored parity against Paraguay, Paraguay had taken the lead mid way into the 2nd half and looked like they'll be running away with it, but not just yet says the Egyptians as this could be headed for an extra 30 minutes of play.

This really turned out to be a very rough match because both teams did not hesitate to commit fouls so that their opponents could not penetrate easily. The performance of the two teams is also not much different. It's just that when the match entered the final minutes, it was quite clear that Egypt had better stamina and motivation than Paraguay.

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I saw a single-hoop 3x3 basketball match for the first time in the Olympics and I liked it very much.
Serbia won the match between Serbia and Poland 21-12. After this match, there was a match between USA and China and USA won the match 21-17.
I don't know if there was such a branch in the previous Olympic Games, but I liked it very much.
My favorite in this branch is Serbia.

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Alcaraz and Djokovic in the final yet again. It's just amazing seeing an injured Djokovic make it to the finals of the Wimbledon and Olympics recently which speaks volumes about his insane athletic ability.

I feel that Alcaraz will win yet again, but Djokovic would still get silver. Both are winners either way and am really excited for the final. Go Carlos! Vamos!

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