How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true?

[AB de Royse777]

Not all scam accusations comes with a valid references and resources. I used to look at scam accusation board more frequently but ever since I realized there are fake accusations just to try to recover the lost money from a casino, I minimized my visiting on the scam accusation board.

[Marvelockg]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

believe what most newbie says to your own risk. For what I know and have observed most of the time. Most of the newbie account are created to air out what they can't normally say with their main account and once they feel any form of threat from there main account they go all out using the alt account to render abusive statement and even attack certain casino and gambling site that exist on the forum with claims that they won and were wrongly kicked out or denied access to there funds. It's just a loosed and immature way of doing things from the angle of those folks.

And yes, they still manage to get lots of attention from those trying to complete there post count and others that aren't a fan to those casino company and that would want to join in tarnishing the image of those companies. I guess it would have been best that moderators should regulate the extent to which they allow newbies to air out there view that tend to paint a wrong narrative about a company that's promoting hee stuff on the forum. For part of what I know as a possibility, newbies can be paid to tarnish the image of a certain casino company and they can frame up piece of baseless shit to achieve this.

[Nrcewker]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

Most of the time, I have seen only genuine people reply to the scam accusation thread. If someone posts in the thread to increase their post count, then all the campaign managers need to strictly include the rule that posting in the Scam Accusations board won’t count for each week. In this manner, the signature spammers can be reduced, and only the necessary people will reply on the thread. Though if the company is big, it won’t harm them in any manner if more people contribute to the thread where they are accused. But yes, this can be stopped in this manner.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

I think maybe half or little bit less of the accusations actually are true.
Often enough people use this forum as some sort of last resort to put pressure on the casino by trying to tarnish their reputation, all in hopes of getting what they want after all.
Had this some months ago with one scammer who did multi accounting on BC and had at least 5 accounts at bitcointalk to make various kinds of accusations.
Once the jig was up he left quietly.

But I honestly believe there are also cases against big sites that actually have merit and need to be addressed. Sites also make mistakes. There was 1 guy who fought against stake for months to get his around 12k$ released, in the end he finally got it.
I have had 2 baseless accusations against myself as well in the past (never published that here) which took quite a while to finally get a solution. So I know how it is to be blamed for something that is incorrect.

Also, some sites make such a fuss over KYC, it's absolutely crazy. The adding of wanting to see a "proof of funds" in recent times also is alarming. This just happened in the past 2 years. Before I have never heard if that, crypto or fiat site.
Before sites like stake advertised themselves with phrases like "we will never ask for KYC", and now they want to know your occupation and payslips from your job, that is not how it was supposed to be.

They always talk about abuse and so on, but how can you abuse anything on most crypto sites? They don't even offer any bonuses for deposits. Every bonus nowadays is wager based, so they shouldn't care less of somebody has 1 or 2 or 3 accounts.

[ultrloa]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

Most of the time, I have seen only genuine people reply to the scam accusation thread. If someone posts in the thread to increase their post count, then all the campaign managers need to strictly include the rule that posting in the Scam Accusations board won’t count for each week. In this manner, the signature spammers can be reduced, and only the necessary people will reply on the thread. Though if the company is big, it won’t harm them in any manner if more people contribute to the thread where they are accused. But yes, this can be stopped in this manner.

I think one post out of curiosity is fine but if they add up more something not useful to the thread  and clear that they are spamming then that indicate that user is not actually helping or contributing to the discussion but rather just want to fulfil their weekly quotas in the campaign. Then managers should look at the situation happening since consistently doing that will not gonna help their campaign promoting.

So overall for sure it will be good to ignore a accusation thread like that until no proof has been provided that the issue is legitimate since either it will just boost up the ego of the troll if they only made u that story and people will just have bad impression about your post created to that thread. This can really be corrected if someone take action so let see if there's something changes will happen especially there's already a topic raised towards this actions.

[tranthidung]

As I promised yesterday.

Total accusations and cases for invalid, in-progress, inactive, active, unresolved, resolved.

Definitions for them, please get there
[LIST] Scam Accusation Cases Against Betting Platform on The Forum.

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     +-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
     |      brand_name   accusation_t   invalid_t   valid_t   inprogress_t   inactive_t   active_t   unresolved_t   resolved_t |
     |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
  1. |           Stake             74          42        32              0            8         15              2            7 |
  2. |     Rollbit_com             68          24        44              5            8          6              0           25 |
  3. |          BCGAME             54          18        36             10           12          0              0           14 |
  4. |     Sportsbetio             34          12        22              0           12          0              0           10 |
  5. |     Fortunejack             21          12         9              5            0          0              0            4 |
     |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
  6. |        Duelbits             17          12         5              0            0          0              0            5 |
  7. |     Sportbetone             16           0        16              5            4          6              0            1 |
  8. |         Bitstar             16           6        10             10            0          0              0            0 |
  9. |        CloudBet             13          12         1              0            0          0              0            1 |
 10. |        bustabit             12          12         0              0            0          0              0            0 |
     |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 11. |       BetcoinAG             11           0        11              0            0          0              0           11 |
 12. |       TrustDice             10           0        10              5            0          3              0            2 |
 13. |            Vave              8           0         8              5            0          3              0            0 |
 14. |        DexSport              8           0         8              5            0          3              0            0 |
 15. |        Chips_gg              8           6         2              0            0          0              2            0 |
     |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 16. |         Wolfbet              8           6         2              0            0          0              0            2 |
 17. |       CoinsGame              7           0         7              0            0          3              4            0 |
 18. |         Shuffle              7           6         1              0            0          0              0            1 |
 19. |   MaverickGames              7           6         1              0            0          0              0            1 |
 20. |       WinTomato              7           6         1              0            0          0              0            1 |
     |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 21. |            Ole7              6           0         6              0            0          0              6            0 |
 22. |       Betcrypto              6           0         6              5            0          0              0            1 |
 23. |   Blackjack_fun              6           6         0              0            0          0              0            0 |
 24. |          Gamdom              6           6         0              0            0          0              0            0 |
 25. |         Sherbet              5           0         5              5            0          0              0            0 |
     |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 26. |            Joya              5           0         5              5            0          0              0            0 |
 27. |     DuckDice_io              5           0         5              0            0          0              0            5 |
 28. |        fairspin              4           0         4              0            4          0              0            0 |
 29. |        Coinplay              4           0         4              0            0          0              4            0 |
 30. |       500casino              4           0         4              0            0          0              0            4 |
     |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 31. | AnonymousCasino              3           0         3              0            0          3              0            0 |
 32. |         BitDice              3           0         3              0            0          3              0            0 |
 33. |            8bet              2           0         2              0            0          0              0            2 |
 34. |          Yasbet              2           0         2              0            0          0              2            0 |
 35. |  PineapplePoker              2           0         2              0            0          0              2            0 |
     |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 36. |       nftonspin              2           0         2              0            0          0              2            0 |
 37. |        Metaspin              1           0         1              0            0          0              0            1 |
 38. |         Leetbit              1           0         1              0            0          0              0            1 |
 39. |        Coinzino              1           0         1              0            0          0              0            1 |
 40. |       JacksClub              1           0         1              0            0          0              0            1 |
     |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 41. |     BitCasinoio              1           0         1              0            0          0              0            1 |
 42. |            Wild              1           0         1              0            0          0              0            1 |
 43. |            WinZ              1           0         1              0            0          0              0            1 |
     +-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

This part is for percent, as guessed by OP, percent for invalid cases is usually high if we count for brands with considerable sample sizes.

Percent here for resolved cases are calculated by total resolved cases / total accusations. Indeed, it would be more accurate if we do as follows: total resolved cases/ total valid cases, but I skipped it for now.

Edit: I do it as resolved_p2

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     +---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
     |      brand_name   accusation_t   invalid_p   valid_p   inprogress_p   inactive_p   active_p   unresolved_p   resolved_p   resolved_p2 |
     |---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
  1. |           Stake             74       56.76     43.24              0        10.81      20.27            2.7         9.46         21.88 |
  2. |     Rollbit_com             68       35.29     64.71           7.35        11.76       8.82              0        36.76         56.82 |
  3. |          BCGAME             54       33.33     66.67          18.52        22.22          0              0        25.93         38.89 |
  4. |     Sportsbetio             34       35.29     64.71              0        35.29          0              0        29.41         45.45 |
  5. |     Fortunejack             21       57.14     42.86          23.81            0          0              0        19.05         44.44 |
     |---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
  6. |        Duelbits             17       70.59     29.41              0            0          0              0        29.41           100 |
  7. |     Sportbetone             16           0       100          31.25           25       37.5              0         6.25          6.25 |
  8. |         Bitstar             16        37.5      62.5           62.5            0          0              0            0             0 |
  9. |        CloudBet             13       92.31      7.69              0            0          0              0         7.69           100 |
 10. |        bustabit             12         100         0              0            0          0              0            0             0 |
     |---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 11. |       BetcoinAG             11           0       100              0            0          0              0          100           100 |
 12. |       TrustDice             10           0       100             50            0         30              0           20            20 |
 13. |            Vave              8           0       100           62.5            0       37.5              0            0             0 |
 14. |        DexSport              8           0       100           62.5            0       37.5              0            0             0 |
 15. |        Chips_gg              8          75        25              0            0          0             25            0             0 |
     |---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 16. |         Wolfbet              8          75        25              0            0          0              0           25           100 |
 17. |       CoinsGame              7           0       100              0            0      42.86          57.14            0             0 |
 18. |         Shuffle              7       85.71     14.29              0            0          0              0        14.29           100 |
 19. |   MaverickGames              7       85.71     14.29              0            0          0              0        14.29           100 |
 20. |       WinTomato              7       85.71     14.29              0            0          0              0        14.29           100 |
     |---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 21. |            Ole7              6           0       100              0            0          0            100            0             0 |
 22. |       Betcrypto              6           0       100          83.33            0          0              0        16.67         16.67 |
 23. |   Blackjack_fun              6         100         0              0            0          0              0            0             0 |
 24. |          Gamdom              6         100         0              0            0          0              0            0             0 |
 25. |         Sherbet              5           0       100            100            0          0              0            0             0 |
     |---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 26. |     DuckDice_io              5           0       100              0            0          0              0          100           100 |
 27. |            Joya              5           0       100            100            0          0              0            0             0 |
 28. |        fairspin              4           0       100              0          100          0              0            0             0 |
 29. |        Coinplay              4           0       100              0            0          0            100            0             0 |
 30. |       500casino              4           0       100              0            0          0              0          100           100 |
     |---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 31. | AnonymousCasino              3           0       100              0            0        100              0            0             0 |
 32. |         BitDice              3           0       100              0            0        100              0            0             0 |
 33. |            8bet              2           0       100              0            0          0              0          100           100 |
 34. |       nftonspin              2           0       100              0            0          0            100            0             0 |
 35. |          Yasbet              2           0       100              0            0          0            100            0             0 |
     |---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 36. |  PineapplePoker              2           0       100              0            0          0            100            0             0 |
 37. |         Leetbit              1           0       100              0            0          0              0          100           100 |
 38. |        Coinzino              1           0       100              0            0          0              0          100           100 |
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[Fivestar4everMVP]

Not all scam accusations comes with a valid references and resources. I used to look at scam accusation board more frequently but ever since I realized there are fake accusations just to try to recover the lost money from a casino, I minimized my visiting on the scam accusation board.

From the advent of gambling, even when there is no existence of online casinos, gamblers have always seeked for way for them to illegally recover what they gave lost, when in the old days when I was still in elementary school, I remember some boys back then who after gambling and losing their money(handout), when school dismisses, they will ambush their gambling opponent, beat him up and collect the money they lost to him, most especially when the opponents path to going home was a lonely one, this made many of us back then avoid joining in such games, most especially if your opponent is some one stronger than you.

Today, this things still continue, gambling losers; both on online and offline casino look for ways to see if they can blackmail the casino into paying them some money which serves as the money they lost while playing on that casino, and this is why the place of providing concrete proofs to any scam accusations is very important, and I think the forum has been up and doing in demanding for such proofs before believing an accusation, else, the accusation is usually ignored just after a few comments or pages of comments.

[Wind_FURY]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

Most of the time, I have seen only genuine people reply to the scam accusation thread. If someone posts in the thread to increase their post count, then all the campaign managers need to strictly include the rule that posting in the Scam Accusations board won’t count for each week. In this manner, the signature spammers can be reduced, and only the necessary people will reply on the thread. Though if the company is big, it won’t harm them in any manner if more people contribute to the thread where they are accused. But yes, this can be stopped in this manner.

All of them might be genuine, but because of signature campaigns, there's some probability that they are also doing it for post count, WHICH is understandable. I didn't say anything against the posters, I'm merely making a point that the topics made by "newbie accounts" won't get as much bumps if the forum didn't have signature campaigns.

Plus we're not discussing about those topics in Scam Accusations. We're talking about those "newbie accounts" that try to disrupt the discussions in a casino's ANN thread by making scam accusations. How many of them were positively proven to be true?

[tranthidung]

Plus we're not discussing about those topics in Scam Accusations. We're talking about those "newbie accounts" that try to disrupt the discussions in a casino's ANN thread by making scam accusations. How many of them were positively proven to be true?

If a user is legit and has valid proof that a casino is scam, it's less reason to use alt like a newbie account to start an accusation against the casino. With years in the forum, I read several accusations in Scam accusation board or in Announcement threads of casinos, most of them turn to invalid.

Stats above are showing this fact and I agree that it's bad if we automatically think that all accusations from newbies are invalid but we must be cautious when reading them and if accusations are against old and trusted brands, we must be more careful rather than quickly believe in newbies.

Stats also show that big brands have highest number of accusations but positively, they have high resolved percents too. Their reputation comes from high resolved percents as mistakes can be make with initial decisions but when their users open accusations, they will handle it properly after deeper investigation internally.

[iv4n]

Plus we're not discussing about those topics in Scam Accusations. We're talking about those "newbie accounts" that try to disrupt the discussions in a casino's ANN thread by making scam accusations. How many of them were positively proven to be true?

A few definitely, but a lot more are just false scam accusations... I am not sure are they paid for doing that, or maybe they just have something against a casino because they lost, anyway if I don't see any "valid" proof I will not trust them. Anyway, it has been happening many times in the past and I doubt it will stop happening in the future. I don't even wish to go into reasons why they are doing that.

And there are newbies who are here for the first time and they don't pay much attention to rules, they just wish to find a way to resolve their issues because support can be really slow in many casinos.

My wild guess is that 80% of accusations are false, and maybe 20% are true... when they come from newbie's accounts.

[Nwada001]

Not all scam accusations comes with a valid references and resources. I used to look at scam accusation board more frequently but ever since I realized there are fake accusations just to try to recover the lost money from a casino, I minimized my visiting on the scam accusation board.

I'm a little bit active on that scam accusation board, but I do avoid some of the accusations on gambling sites, especially if I detect that the accusers don't provide enough evidence as expected, and even when asked, they still bit around the bush inside, going starlight to the point until the casino rep comes to clear the air. 
 
There are also some that come with honesty; they might just be waiting for the casino to reply to their response, but maybe due to the delay and because they need fast answers, they rush to this place as they believe members here can pressure casino to respond to their report, especially casinos with clear intention and with ANN here.

[barbara44]

Even if the rate is high, it is naive to assume the next accusation is legit anyway since no one really controls who posts the accusations and whatnot. Even if the topics get boosted one way or another because some members commented on it, everyone is always encouraged to verify the claim. This is not exclusive to Bitcointalk anyway, other review platforms are not immune to fake accusations. I believe the trust system is working quite well in this regard. CMIIW.

For some, this is what they dislike about the forum because anyone can pretend and post anything here but for the others or those who are shady, they like this fact. Now we know that our forum is like this, the only thing to do is to not believe easily. We need to read, observe, and do our research to help judge better.

Many review platforms or forums are more regulated than Bitcointalk but it's better to be safe than sorry, so yeah that we should make it a habit to do those practices mentioned here. In our forum, we still have that trust system you are talking about but I think no, it isn't working really well. Haven't you heard of those trust abusers? There are users who debates about it from time to time.

[OgNasty]

It's hard to say but I'm guessing a lot of accusations stem from bad gambling decisions more than wrongdoing by the casino.  Talking about established businesses obviously...  I can tell you as someone who has run multiple organizations here that sell goods and services, a lot of complaints I get are completely made up nonsense that I'd say are blatant and malicious lies.  This is the internet and there are a lot of people with mental health issues out there.  Just use a reputable casino for online gambling and avoid all the drama in most of these accusations.

[notblox1]

Newbie creating scam accusations could be different case to case, but they need to provide real evidence for calling something a scam.
If someone creates new account in forum than they are already using forum with different account but they dont want to connect it with casino.
This can be for good reason if they want to preserve privacy, or for bad reasons if they tried to cheat and abuse casino.
I have much more respect for members who use main profile for any accusations in forum.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

Well, I don't see that many threads for accusations against casinos are always being bumped, like you said, or maybe I always miss it whenit comes up. The only recent topic I came across was the one in which the member was seeking help because of the KYC issues he or she had with BG. Games.

But if that's something that is happening frequently, then the moderators have the right to lock any thread that has actually fulfilled its purpose. If, for example, a casino was accused and the issue was solved by other members, the topic should be locked by moderators to prevent spamming.

[Dunamisx]

There are some gambling platforms in which we receive their scam accusations on this platform and those gambling sites have never been here, also, on bitcoitalk, gambling platforms had been reported on several occasions to be found with one or more challenges from their users in which some of these accusations are genuine while some are not, you could get more on these from the scam accusations board.

[seoincorporation]

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

The fact that users post in that kind of thread doesn't mean they support the accusation, sometimes the post is to support the casino, it depends on the accusation. But i don't see the problem with posting in those threads because the community can share their experience in that casino to let the other users know if they should or not trust that site.

As you mention, some of the posts are pure spam, but some others are really informative and even help to fix the problem between the casino and the user.

[Ojima-ojo]

Not all scam accusations comes with a valid references and resources. I used to look at scam accusation board more frequently but ever since I realized there are fake accusations just to try to recover the lost money from a casino, I minimized my visiting on the scam accusation board.

A lot of scam accusations are sponsored hate campaign from competitors who thinks the said casino is doing better than them, and their inability to meet up with the standard of competition in the market is what Fuel such hate move mostly.


So because such incidents forum members have decided not to treat any scam accusations seriously if their don't contain some valid evidence that prove that the casino indeed scammed them in any ways.

[jossiel]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

While it's like both of the situations are correct, the brand new accounts that were genuinely made and found in the forum were also probably due to the social accounts of the casinos they've played it and trying to reach every contact that they can talk to for their concern. So with that, they're in desperate mode to address their issue.

As for the others, indeed, they're just trying to crumple a casino's reputation by flaming with their losses and blaming it on the casino, doing some made-up stories and whatnot.

In the end, it's always about the proof that they're putting at the table to verify if their accusation makes sense or not.

[yahoo62278]

There are many who have no business posting in the accusation threads, including myself at times. If you have no clue about how casinos work, aren't informed about a certain casino ToS, have never gambled at that casino or gamble period, are only posting to increase your post count, or are in general a spammer you probably need to avoid the scam accusation section altogether.

There are some informed users who do a good job in that section, holydarkness, Pmalek, some of the managers working with the casino, and probably a few I am forgetting. I have been staying mostly away from that section lately as I have been working less with casino, but occasionally I find a case that I feel comfortable commenting on.

Regarding the number of cases that are true. IMO I feel like most of the accusations from the newbies(and others) are bullshit, and like someone else in this thread said, a strong arm attempt to get a casino to pay. When people with no clue start twisting the facts in a thread or posting without a clue, it does make it hard for those that are trying to help help.