Bank employee gets fired for playing crypto games

[mammusu]

~snip~
Let's face it, what the judge did was a miscarriage of justice. If that guy was sacked based on the subject matter, it would have been a different thing but he was emphatically sacked for crypto involvement despite not being illegal in his country, these are two different things and this guy was not involved in suspicious acts, neither did he err in his responsibilities as an employee, so we should not drag it far.

Also, desperation is a different context that never showed in the suit. Gambling or not, employees are desperate on a daily basis, it is now left to how the establishment tightens its security not to allow unsuspected/unscrupulous employees to take advantage of it.

It's really hard to know without having all the facts, which I'm sure the judge had...

Also, yes, people do get frustrated, and desperate in many situations, but I guess you can know that it will potentially happen if you know that someone is a gambling addict.

I think getting fired for something like this might actually be OK...

It is important to strike a balance between responsibility and empathy in situations like this, in the one hand, if the behaviour of an employee with a gambling addiction is affecting work performance or the work environment, of course strict measures such as dismissal may be necessary to maintain professionalism, stability and productivity at work, but, on the other hand, it is also very important that the company provides support and assistance to the employee struggling with addiction, but that it if he really wants to quit gambling and not to cover up his mistakes.

[bakasabo]

Your post made me think that that bank did not care much about that person and personnel in general. Few fails at work, caught gambling - got fired. In someway I think it might be more human to try to help that employee with his gambling. I dont think that bank fired him immediately when they saw him gambling for first time. I think there were talks, warnings before firing that person. If they see a person has problem, it would be best to help him. Instead, now he still had this gambling problem, and now he is jobless in addition. Bank made his situation from bad to worse.

[delfastTions]

~snip~
Let's face it, what the judge did was a miscarriage of justice. If that guy was sacked based on the subject matter, it would have been a different thing but he was emphatically sacked for crypto involvement despite not being illegal in his country, these are two different things and this guy was not involved in suspicious acts, neither did he err in his responsibilities as an employee, so we should not drag it far.

Also, desperation is a different context that never showed in the suit. Gambling or not, employees are desperate on a daily basis, it is now left to how the establishment tightens its security not to allow unsuspected/unscrupulous employees to take advantage of it.

It's really hard to know without having all the facts, which I'm sure the judge had...

Also, yes, people do get frustrated, and desperate in many situations, but I guess you can know that it will potentially happen if you know that someone is a gambling addict.

I think getting fired for something like this might actually be OK...

Naturally, when an employer finds out that an employee is a gambler or at least just a lover of gambling, this immediately becomes something akin to a black mark in the employee's work biography. This is especially true if the employer simply did not know about this employee's hobby until some point and suddenly accidentally or through a denunciation from other employees found out about it. The attitude of course ml to instantly change most negatively, this in turn entails increased control over the employee by his superiors. But the results of the control may just show that the employee has insufficient or reduced labor productivity. And this, of course, is a very compelling argument for the superiors to fire such an employee.

[Agbe]

Your post made me think that that bank did not care much about that person and personnel in general. Few fails at work, caught gambling - got fired. In someway I think it might be more human to try to help that employee with his gambling. I dont think that bank fired him immediately when they saw him gambling for first time. I think there were talks, warnings before firing that person. If they see a person has problem, it would be best to help him. Instead, now he still had this gambling problem, and now he is jobless in addition. Bank made his situation from bad to worse.

If the guy didn't used customers' money then there was no need to fire him because that is what pleases him to do. That is his own choice. If he was doing his job well then there was no need fire him that was doing his work diligently. From my own understanding of the whole thing, the sacking of the Banker is beyond the gambling habit. Probably he has been borrowing from the.bank and using it to gamble and he has been reported and warned but gave deaf hear but when it was obvious and he was fired.

[rodskee]

It is important to strike a balance between responsibility and empathy in situations like this, in the one hand, if the behaviour of an employee with a gambling addiction is affecting work performance or the work environment, of course strict measures such as dismissal may be necessary to maintain professionalism, stability and productivity at work, but, on the other hand, it is also very important that the company provides support and assistance to the employee struggling with addiction, but that it if he really wants to quit gambling and not to cover up his mistakes.

unfortunately a company could very well much argue that as long as he is not their employee it is none of their business how he is doing mentally which is why it would just be easier to let go an employee having a hard time dealing with things such as addiction

it also doesn’t help that there is a stigma against gamblers, addict or not, they can always claim that he isn’t an addict and he just really likes gambling which is his conscious choice to keep doing

[bakasabo]

Your post made me think that that bank did not care much about that person and personnel in general. Few fails at work, caught gambling - got fired. In someway I think it might be more human to try to help that employee with his gambling. I dont think that bank fired him immediately when they saw him gambling for first time. I think there were talks, warnings before firing that person. If they see a person has problem, it would be best to help him. Instead, now he still had this gambling problem, and now he is jobless in addition. Bank made his situation from bad to worse.

If the guy didn't used customers' money then there was no need to fire him because that is what pleases him to do. That is his own choice. If he was doing his job well then there was no need fire him that was doing his work diligently. From my own understanding of the whole thing, the sacking of the Banker is beyond the gambling habit. Probably he has been borrowing from the.bank and using it to gamble and he has been reported and warned but gave deaf hear but when it was obvious and he was fired.

I suppose that people have wrong vision what bank is and how it works. I believe that people imagine it as a building with number of rooms, and a room under thick door where cash is stored. Otherwise what employee can be stealing then? In reality, everything is digitalized. Banks work with cash is very limited, and it is really hard to steal something without being noticed. If someone think that it is easy to steal from bank account or customers account, then you have never worked with banking program, never seen its UI. Everything is monitored, every little extra move is instantly alarmed and security get a warning and you get your working session blocked. If someone think that an employee can use any bank PC to enter banking program, and to make a transaction to any other account, then I suggest you to stop watching silly movies. Banking program for employees to make transactions is not like your regular private user accounts interface, where you pay bill and send money to others. And if someone think that employee can go to his bank colleagues, and they will open him a credit without bank noticing it, that is also quite impossible to happen.

[Doan9269]

If one gets fired as a result of gambling while at work, then its depicts that such a user is also an addicted type or the one that does not gamble responsibly, we must know when to gamble and when not to do so, gambling is not what we are are to do and make us lose anything that is valuable to us, the more the need to emphasis on how to gamble responsibly and never to allow it affect other things we do.

[Kasabus]

Your post made me think that that bank did not care much about that person and personnel in general. Few fails at work, caught gambling - got fired. In someway I think it might be more human to try to help that employee with his gambling. I dont think that bank fired him immediately when they saw him gambling for first time. I think there were talks, warnings before firing that person. If they see a person has problem, it would be best to help him. Instead, now he still had this gambling problem, and now he is jobless in addition. Bank made his situation from bad to worse.

I don’t think the bank should be accountable with what the gambler currently experienced now. The fact that the employee is no longer productive in his own job, regardless of its reason, then the employer have all the right to warn or worse fire the employee.

But of course, this doesn’t happen in an instant for sure. Most probably prior investigations or interviews from other employees have been made first. Until proven that the employee is no longer effective in his position, then the bank should call out his attention or fire from his job.

[Lannakosa]

unfortunately a company could very well much argue that as long as he is not their employee it is none of their business how he is doing mentally which is why it would just be easier to let go an employee having a hard time dealing with things such as addiction

it also doesn’t help that there is a stigma against gamblers, addict or not, they can always claim that he isn’t an addict and he just really likes gambling which is his conscious choice to keep doing

Moreover, I am almost sure that no player will admit that he has an addiction, I mean that he will not admit it even to himself. I do not want to judge him now, it is his choice in any case, and I suspect that he did not play for the money, because in the bank, employees often receive a very good salary, which should be enough for all expenses and desires. And I understand his fear of losing this job, because in Japan, a career can be built in one place for many years, this is due to their culture.

[Princess Leah]

unfortunately a company could very well much argue that as long as he is not their employee it is none of their business how he is doing mentally which is why it would just be easier to let go an employee having a hard time dealing with things such as addiction

it also doesn’t help that there is a stigma against gamblers, addict or not, they can always claim that he isn’t an addict and he just really likes gambling which is his conscious choice to keep doing

Moreover, I am almost sure that no player will admit that he has an addiction, I mean that he will not admit it even to himself. I do not want to judge him now, it is his choice in any case, and I suspect that he did not play for the money, because in the bank, employees often receive a very good salary, which should be enough for all expenses and desires. And I understand his fear of losing this job, because in Japan, a career can be built in one place for many years, this is due to their culture.

That's the same thing I thought of, I've come across addicted gambler that never admit their addiction and would even try to make trouble when anyone tries to advice him concerning his addiction, I feel it's a general thing with addicted gamblers cause most of them see no harm in what they're doing and only got one goal which is to continue satisfying their urge for gambling.

 I don't feel the reason for him being sacked is related to Cryptocurrency but fear of addiction, his jobs involves handling people's money and the bank must have been worried about him gambling with people's money due to addiction, I guess that's same thing the court thought about before ruling the case against him.

[Lanatsa]

Your post made me think that that bank did not care much about that person and personnel in general. Few fails at work, caught gambling - got fired. In someway I think it might be more human to try to help that employee with his gambling. I dont think that bank fired him immediately when they saw him gambling for first time. I think there were talks, warnings before firing that person. If they see a person has problem, it would be best to help him. Instead, now he still had this gambling problem, and now he is jobless in addition. Bank made his situation from bad to worse.

If the guy didn't used customers' money then there was no need to fire him because that is what pleases him to do. That is his own choice. If he was doing his job well then there was no need fire him that was doing his work diligently. From my own understanding of the whole thing, the sacking of the Banker is beyond the gambling habit. Probably he has been borrowing from the.bank and using it to gamble and he has been reported and warned but gave deaf hear but when it was obvious and he was fired.

I suppose that people have wrong vision what bank is and how it works. I believe that people imagine it as a building with number of rooms, and a room under thick door where cash is stored. Otherwise what employee can be stealing then? In reality, everything is digitalized. Banks work with cash is very limited, and it is really hard to steal something without being noticed. If someone think that it is easy to steal from bank account or customers account, then you have never worked with banking program, never seen its UI. Everything is monitored, every little extra move is instantly alarmed and security get a warning and you get your working session blocked. If someone think that an employee can use any bank PC to enter banking program, and to make a transaction to any other account, then I suggest you to stop watching silly movies. Banking program for employees to make transactions is not like your regular private user accounts interface, where you pay bill and send money to others. And if someone think that employee can go to his bank colleagues, and they will open him a credit without bank noticing it, that is also quite impossible to happen.

You are really that right on this one on which making up some unauthorized transactions with those banking system or UI then its not something that will really be able to bypass on, considering that in every day there would really be audits about ups and downs and everything will really be traced up if there's some funds been missing then it will definitely be seen up accordingly. The only way that i do see that a bank employee will really be able to possibly steal up money is via through making use of their customers funds without their consent or awareness. Sounds impossible? No its not. I have a friend who had been working on a bank and their colleague do able to do such thing and i dont know on how its been set up on he had been successfully be able to make use of their users money.

We do know that bank system is really that having that very strict and systematized on which every possible off transactions will really be able to make out such trace without any hiccups.If they do have that particular employee who do have that some addiction towards gambling then as bank then you will be taking up some possible precautions if things gets worst. On this one then they do become that too conclusive on things on which they do immediately fire him up without having any explanation i guess. If there are some other violations then it will be that understandable.

[nullama]

~snip~
Naturally, when an employer finds out that an employee is a gambler or at least just a lover of gambling, this immediately becomes something akin to a black mark in the employee's work biography. This is especially true if the employer simply did not know about this employee's hobby until some point and suddenly accidentally or through a denunciation from other employees found out about it. The attitude of course ml to instantly change most negatively, this in turn entails increased control over the employee by his superiors. But the results of the control may just show that the employee has insufficient or reduced labor productivity. And this, of course, is a very compelling argument for the superiors to fire such an employee.

Yeah, it can be seen as a negative impact to some employers.

The thing is that though, in some employments it might be a bit irrelevant.

I think only in the cases where the employee has access to cash or other valuables would be needed to have no history of problem gambling .

[bakasabo]

Your post made me think that that bank did not care much about that person and personnel in general. Few fails at work, caught gambling - got fired. In someway I think it might be more human to try to help that employee with his gambling. I dont think that bank fired him immediately when they saw him gambling for first time. I think there were talks, warnings before firing that person. If they see a person has problem, it would be best to help him. Instead, now he still had this gambling problem, and now he is jobless in addition. Bank made his situation from bad to worse.

If the guy didn't used customers' money then there was no need to fire him because that is what pleases him to do. That is his own choice. If he was doing his job well then there was no need fire him that was doing his work diligently. From my own understanding of the whole thing, the sacking of the Banker is beyond the gambling habit. Probably he has been borrowing from the.bank and using it to gamble and he has been reported and warned but gave deaf hear but when it was obvious and he was fired.

I suppose that people have wrong vision what bank is and how it works. I believe that people imagine it as a building with number of rooms, and a room under thick door where cash is stored. Otherwise what employee can be stealing then? In reality, everything is digitalized. Banks work with cash is very limited, and it is really hard to steal something without being noticed. If someone think that it is easy to steal from bank account or customers account, then you have never worked with banking program, never seen its UI. Everything is monitored, every little extra move is instantly alarmed and security get a warning and you get your working session blocked. If someone think that an employee can use any bank PC to enter banking program, and to make a transaction to any other account, then I suggest you to stop watching silly movies. Banking program for employees to make transactions is not like your regular private user accounts interface, where you pay bill and send money to others. And if someone think that employee can go to his bank colleagues, and they will open him a credit without bank noticing it, that is also quite impossible to happen.

You are really that right on this one on which making up some unauthorized transactions with those banking system or UI then its not something that will really be able to bypass on, considering that in every day there would really be audits about ups and downs and everything will really be traced up if there's some funds been missing then it will definitely be seen up accordingly. The only way that i do see that a bank employee will really be able to possibly steal up money is via through making use of their customers funds without their consent or awareness. Sounds impossible? No its not. I have a friend who had been working on a bank and their colleague do able to do such thing and i dont know on how its been set up on he had been successfully be able to make use of their users money.

We do know that bank system is really that having that very strict and systematized on which every possible off transactions will really be able to make out such trace without any hiccups.If they do have that particular employee who do have that some addiction towards gambling then as bank then you will be taking up some possible precautions if things gets worst. On this one then they do become that too conclusive on things on which they do immediately fire him up without having any explanation i guess. If there are some other violations then it will be that understandable.

From my working in bank experience, and experience of people I know, bank dont take random, first to apply, inexperienced or students that have practice on a position that makes transactions. An employee must work for several years before he will get access to operating with money. During those several years, banks security officers or other employees should have noticed something strange in guys behavior, addiction to something, that is something wrong with him. Even during interview or when guy apply for position that is connected with transactions, security officers do various check-ups. What I am trying to say that a guy does not turn (if he really did) into gambling addicted with elements of trying to do something illegal immediately. Its 100% banks security department fault if they let such guy work in bank and be close to clients funds. They are the origin of a problem, not a guy who is interested in gambling.

Dont know why, but I feel that many here already have a stereotype that "gambling = bad", and whenever they see something that has a connection with gambling, or gambling context, that is already bad and blame the gambler. For example if two guys commit a crime, then the one who gambles should be punished, and second guy should be released.

[aoluain]

In South Korea, A bank employee was found to be playing online games that use crypto as its in game currency. The bank claimed that the employee is a habitual gambler and fired him from his job. The ex-employee naturally raised his concern to HR as he thinks it is unfair dismissal but the HR rejected his appeal which led him to file a lawsuit. In the end, even the court sided with the bank. Even though the ex-employee claims that he never played during work hours and that his habits did not interfere with his work quality, the court rules it to be undignified to be gambling with crypto.

If crypto wasn't involved, do you think this employee would have gotten fired?

I think that is really unfair. The fact that the employee never gambled during work
hours and that his gambling didn't affect his work performance should have been
the main thing to focus on.

It was clearly based on their dislike on crypto. I dont think they would have a problem
if the employee was gambling with FIAT because gambling didnt seem to be the issue
it was the Crypto factor.

[delfastTions]

~snip~
Naturally, when an employer finds out that an employee is a gambler or at least just a lover of gambling, this immediately becomes something akin to a black mark in the employee's work biography. This is especially true if the employer simply did not know about this employee's hobby until some point and suddenly accidentally or through a denunciation from other employees found out about it. The attitude of course ml to instantly change most negatively, this in turn entails increased control over the employee by his superiors. But the results of the control may just show that the employee has insufficient or reduced labor productivity. And this, of course, is a very compelling argument for the superiors to fire such an employee.

Yeah, it can be seen as a negative impact to some employers.

The thing is that though, in some employments it might be a bit irrelevant.

I think only in the cases where the employee has access to cash or other valuables would be needed to have no history of problem gambling .

In such cases, especially when accessing money specifically, it is obvious that the message and information about the employee's passion for gambling causes concern for the employer. But not only in this case. Usually, it is important for the employer that the employee is as busy as possible with his main job and thinks as little as possible about his other affairs during working hours. But thoughts about gambling are precisely those thoughts that greatly affect the employee.
As a result, his productivity may decrease.
And this is also another consequence of the fact that the employer learns about the employee's passion for gambling. The attitude towards such an employee may immediately change in a negative direction.

[fruktik]

Let's face it, what the judge did was a miscarriage of justice. If that guy was sacked based on the subject matter, it would have been a different thing but he was emphatically sacked for crypto involvement despite not being illegal in his country, these are two different things and this guy was not involved in suspicious acts, neither did he err in his responsibilities as an employee, so we should not drag it far.

Also, desperation is a different context that never showed in the suit. Gambling or not, employees are desperate on a daily basis, it is now left to how the establishment tightens its security not to allow unsuspected/unscrupulous employees to take advantage of it.

What kind of security are we talking about? What could this employee have done to make the management so angry at him? Most likely, this person crossed someone before all this. Just banal competition for a position. This happened to me. At my previous place of work, they simply wanted to force me out of my position and spread all sorts of rumors about me. Yes, it worked in the end, since the information reached the boss. Of course, this was all a banal lie, but who can you prove it to? This is how the modern world works. I had to deal with such a lousy team, where rottenness and cynicism reign.

[ethereumhunter]

I think that is really unfair. The fact that the employee never gambled during work
hours and that his gambling didn't affect his work performance should have been
the main thing to focus on.

It was clearly based on their dislike on crypto. I dont think they would have a problem
if the employee was gambling with FIAT because gambling didnt seem to be the issue
it was the Crypto factor.

We can say like that but the casino can asks their members to work over work hours. If the employee doesn't want to do that, they can say that they want to enjoy the holiday and not work in a holiday. The company must understand this and gives holiday to their employee because they works to the company and gets paid so the company don't needs forcing their employee. If their employee can not accept that and demo because of the policy, the company can get a trouble from their employee.

[Hispo]

Your post made me think that that bank did not care much about that person and personnel in general. Few fails at work, caught gambling - got fired. In someway I think it might be more human to try to help that employee with his gambling. I dont think that bank fired him immediately when they saw him gambling for first time. I think there were talks, warnings before firing that person. If they see a person has problem, it would be best to help him. Instead, now he still had this gambling problem, and now he is jobless in addition. Bank made his situation from bad to worse.

So exactly was the bank supposed to do according to you? They are are financial institution, not a facility for recovering gambling addicts nor a mental institution. It is sad, but that is how most societies around the world work.
If I was found gambling at a job here in my country, when money which is preperty of the company, they would have no compassion for me whatsoever and they would fire me immediately, that is the natural reaction for any company which in their business to make money, not to lose it due to the bad habits and problems of their personnel.
After getting fired, that person is supposed to take those consequences of their actions as a wake up call, in order for them to change their way of living and control their problem gambling,.it is on their own hands and not in the control of the bank, which only sees for the well-being of the business and their investments.

[bakasabo]

Your post made me think that that bank did not care much about that person and personnel in general. Few fails at work, caught gambling - got fired. In someway I think it might be more human to try to help that employee with his gambling. I dont think that bank fired him immediately when they saw him gambling for first time. I think there were talks, warnings before firing that person. If they see a person has problem, it would be best to help him. Instead, now he still had this gambling problem, and now he is jobless in addition. Bank made his situation from bad to worse.

So exactly was the bank supposed to do according to you? They are are financial institution, not a facility for recovering gambling addicts nor a mental institution. It is sad, but that is how most societies around the world work.
If I was found gambling at a job here in my country, when money which is preperty of the company, they would have no compassion for me whatsoever and they would fire me immediately, that is the natural reaction for any company which in their business to make money, not to lose it due to the bad habits and problems of their personnel.
After getting fired, that person is supposed to take those consequences of their actions as a wake up call, in order for them to change their way of living and control their problem gambling,.it is on their own hands and not in the control of the bank, which only sees for the well-being of the business and their investments.

According to me, bank or any other employer must respect his employees. Employee has a problem - try to help or at least find out what could be done to help. I dont know what should exactly bank do. Maybe send this guy to visit a psychologist first. Or it leads to: addicted employee - fire immediately, employee got sick - fire him, employee urgently needs to pick up a child from school or child got into accident - fire employee, employee spend 1:01h instead of 1h lunch - fire.

I have no doubt that employee should get fired if had used company's money for gambling. But 1) it wasnt mentioned that he was doing that, he could have been gambling with own money 2) it aint easy to steal from bank or use its funds on own purposes.

It seems that no many have bothered reading article in first post, but instantly start to accuse fired employee. So I will copy/paste some info:

“I only played one kind of PC game, and I did so after work hours. Furthermore, I did not convert the game’s cryptoassets into fiat."
"The ex-staffer also claimed that they had “never gained unfair profits or provided preferential treatment” through their “private financial transactions with [the bank’s] loan clients.”

The whole story is not about gambling. Gambling should not be the reason to fire him.

"The company’s internal audit found that the employee had also “engaged in inappropriate private money lending” with the bank’s loan clients.". But if was correct to fire him because he wasnt doing his job correctly, but used his bank position for dirty deeds.

What shocks me is:

The court also ruled that “even if” bank employees “gamble outside of work hours” and their activities “do not directly interfere with work,” it was “undignified” for bank employees to play crypto gambling games. So you play something like Axie Infinite at home and get fired because of that...

[pakhitheboss]

If one gets fired as a result of gambling while at work, then its depicts that such a user is also an addicted type or the one that does not gamble responsibly, we must know when to gamble and when not to do so, gambling is not what we are are to do and make us lose anything that is valuable to us, the more the need to emphasis on how to gamble responsibly and never to allow it affect other things we do.

The word is integrity: "the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles". As an employee, you are supposed to work and not get entertained while working. I won't give him the name of an addict but I will surely say that the action taken by the bank was correct. It is a financial institution and imagine if this guy had used some of the account holder's money for gambling. The bank secured the account holder's trust by firing him and at the same time informing their customer through a news outlet. This is how they maintain their trust and lure new customers to open accounts with them.