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Question: Who is going to win in this fight?  (Voting closed: December 10, 2024, 10:54:25 PM)
Betervbeiv by KO - 1 (10%)
Bivol by KO - 0 (0%)
Beterbiev by Decision - 6 (60%)
Bivol by Decision - 3 (30%)
Draw - 0 (0%)
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December 08, 2024, 06:35:10 AM
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I'll go with Bivol, I have bet on him the last time, and I thought he won that fight as the numbers don't lie. But as what we said, boxers shouldn't let the fight go to the judges hand and so in this case, it's true as I think that Bivol was robbed.

Nevertheless, he has a second chance, and I do think that this time he will do enough to win and will continue to throw volume punches. I remember there were one round wherein he throws like 10-12 combos and some of them hit Beterbiev and put him on the ropes.
 

Good luck to this bet of yours on Bivol hehehe. However, I am very much afraid that Beterbiev has the tactic to win against Bivol. This is to always be near Bivol and do not give Bivol the proper distancing where he can begun an attack. This type of pressure from Beterbiev is certainly very difficult to defend as everyone has already witnessed on their fight before.

But if Bivol has watched the movie Rocky 3, he might learn something from this where he was trained by a new trainer who was very much given Rocky a similar style with Muhammad Ali. If Bivol will have this type of footwork, he might win hehehehe.

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December 08, 2024, 07:48:25 AM
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Good luck to this bet of yours on Bivol hehehe. However, I am very much afraid that Beterbiev has the tactic to win against Bivol. This is to always be near Bivol and do not give Bivol the proper distancing where he can begun an attack. This type of pressure from Beterbiev is certainly very difficult to defend as everyone has already witnessed on their fight before.

But if Bivol has watched the movie Rocky 3, he might learn something from this where he was trained by a new trainer who was very much given Rocky a similar style with Muhammad Ali. If Bivol will have this type of footwork, he might win hehehehe.

Both fighters will make adjustments for the rematch, even though Beterbiev won the first fight. It was close, and Bivol could have taken the victory. So, I expect we’ll see some strategic changes this time around.

I still believe this fight will go to a decision because both fighters are incredibly durable. This might be the toughest fight of Beterbiev’s career, as all his previous wins were by KO before the first fight. I thought Bivol had the edge to win, but it didn’t turn out that way, so the rematch should be an interesting battle.

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December 08, 2024, 11:42:05 AM
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The rematch would be in favor of Bivol somehow. Beterbiev would be 40 by then. Just like in their first match, many would say age is a huge factor. Beterbiev might prove them wrong once more. This man is terrific. He looks sturdy and solid despite the age.

Odds now favor Beterbiev. But let's see how Bivol will do in the rematch, again his volume in the first 6 rounds as outstanding. Maybe he will just have to sustained it throughout so that he can outscored Beterbiev this time.

Odds in this rematch favor Beterbiev only because of the result of their first fight. It was the other way around in their first match. The stats somehow favored Bivol and so he turned out the favorite. Things have changed now. It was clear Beterbiev could actually fight toe to toe against Bivol. It was clear the much older man can actually compete with the younger opponent. Bivol had a smaller gas tank compared to his 39-year old opponent.

But, yeah, if Bivol sustained his performance in the opening rounds, that fight was his.

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December 08, 2024, 01:39:59 PM
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I see a different result on this rematch. With Bivol being the younger fighter, he will have a grasp on how to beat Beterbiev, Turki believes that Bivol won the fight, so this is a match that he needs to redeem or prove that he is a better fighter. Let's admit it, Beterbiev is not getting younger; one of his fights will eventually show his age, and this next fight could possibly be the fight that will show it.









 
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December 09, 2024, 02:00:31 AM
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Good luck to this bet of yours on Bivol hehehe. However, I am very much afraid that Beterbiev has the tactic to win against Bivol. This is to always be near Bivol and do not give Bivol the proper distancing where he can begun an attack. This type of pressure from Beterbiev is certainly very difficult to defend as everyone has already witnessed on their fight before.

But if Bivol has watched the movie Rocky 3, he might learn something from this where he was trained by a new trainer who was very much given Rocky a similar style with Muhammad Ali. If Bivol will have this type of footwork, he might win hehehehe.

Both fighters will make adjustments for the rematch, even though Beterbiev won the first fight. It was close, and Bivol could have taken the victory. So, I expect we’ll see some strategic changes this time around.

I still believe this fight will go to a decision because both fighters are incredibly durable. This might be the toughest fight of Beterbiev’s career, as all his previous wins were by KO before the first fight. I thought Bivol had the edge to win, but it didn’t turn out that way, so the rematch should be an interesting battle.

This fight will be more tougher for Bivol because his weakness was discovered by Beterbiev. Bivol bettors can wish only that he will have the correct adjustments for this rematch. I reckon the correct adjustment might be to become a boxer very much similar to the goat of boxing Muhammad Ali and dance like a butterfly around Beterbiev. However, I speculate that the adjustment that Bivol might do will be to try to become the Joker who is an immovable object against Batman's unstoppable force. This is very dangerous for Bivol because his jaw will be exposed for Beterbiev to give a knockout pants.

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December 09, 2024, 10:33:54 AM
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This fight will be more tougher for Bivol because his weakness was discovered by Beterbiev. Bivol bettors can wish only that he will have the correct adjustments for this rematch. I reckon the correct adjustment might be to become a boxer very much similar to the goat of boxing Muhammad Ali and dance like a butterfly around Beterbiev. However, I speculate that the adjustment that Bivol might do will be to try to become the Joker who is an immovable object against Batman's unstoppable force. This is very dangerous for Bivol because his jaw will be exposed for Beterbiev to give a knockout pants.
AFAIK, the first fight was very close. so if Beterbiev had discovered Bivol’s weakness, he could have knocked him out, but that didn’t happen. On the other hand, we can also say that Bivol might have discovered Beterbiev’s weakness, which could give him a chance to win this time.

Judging by the first fight, I still believe this will be another close contest if it goes to the judges’ scorecards again. At this point, if we’re betting, it’s best to go with who we think has the edge. Besides, the odds for both fighters are quite attractive.

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Good luck to this bet of yours on Bivol hehehe. However, I am very much afraid that Beterbiev has the tactic to win against Bivol. This is to always be near Bivol and do not give Bivol the proper distancing where he can begun an attack. This type of pressure from Beterbiev is certainly very difficult to defend as everyone has already witnessed on their fight before.

But if Bivol has watched the movie Rocky 3, he might learn something from this where he was trained by a new trainer who was very much given Rocky a similar style with Muhammad Ali. If Bivol will have this type of footwork, he might win hehehehe.

Both fighters will make adjustments for the rematch, even though Beterbiev won the first fight. It was close, and Bivol could have taken the victory. So, I expect we’ll see some strategic changes this time around.

I still believe this fight will go to a decision because both fighters are incredibly durable. This might be the toughest fight of Beterbiev’s career, as all his previous wins were by KO before the first fight. I thought Bivol had the edge to win, but it didn’t turn out that way, so the rematch should be an interesting battle.

This fight will be more tougher for Bivol because his weakness was discovered by Beterbiev. Bivol bettors can wish only that he will have the correct adjustments for this rematch. I reckon the correct adjustment might be to become a boxer very much similar to the goat of boxing Muhammad Ali and dance like a butterfly around Beterbiev. However, I speculate that the adjustment that Bivol might do will be to try to become the Joker who is an immovable object against Batman's unstoppable force. This is very dangerous for Bivol because his jaw will be exposed for Beterbiev to give a knockout pants.

I'm not sure if Bivol was exposed in this fight, we can debate that he could have won the first fight. It will still be the same tactics, but he should be careful on the second half of the fight and not to be over confident. I think that's the mistakes of Bivol in the latter stage of the match. He might have thought that he had clearly dominated the first half and then just in cruise control of the second.

Nevertheless, it will still be very exciting and entertaining fight. Even the ML is already attracted to us. Bivol will just have to keep phase of that volume and not allow Beterbiev to control specially the last couple of rounds which is very important for him.

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The rematch would be in favor of Bivol somehow. Beterbiev would be 40 by then. Just like in their first match, many would say age is a huge factor. Beterbiev might prove them wrong once more. This man is terrific. He looks sturdy and solid despite the age.

Odds now favor Beterbiev. But let's see how Bivol will do in the rematch, again his volume in the first 6 rounds as outstanding. Maybe he will just have to sustained it throughout so that he can outscored Beterbiev this time.

Odds in this rematch favor Beterbiev only because of the result of their first fight. It was the other way around in their first match. The stats somehow favored Bivol and so he turned out the favorite. Things have changed now. It was clear Beterbiev could actually fight toe to toe against Bivol. It was clear the much older man can actually compete with the younger opponent. Bivol had a smaller gas tank compared to his 39-year old opponent.

But, yeah, if Bivol sustained his performance in the opening rounds, that fight was his.

That bolded statement, if Bivol could have sustained his numbers in the first 6 rounds, Beterbiev might not steal this one for him. The problem is that after the 6 rounds, his performance or at least his volume punching goes down and then Beterbiev asserting himself and that what could be judge seeing.

We all know that he has a tremendous stamina, but we don't know what happened to him, specially in the championship rounds that his punches started to decline and the Beterbiev doubling his power punching output.

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December 10, 2024, 01:33:52 AM
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This fight will be more tougher for Bivol because his weakness was discovered by Beterbiev. Bivol bettors can wish only that he will have the correct adjustments for this rematch. I reckon the correct adjustment might be to become a boxer very much similar to the goat of boxing Muhammad Ali and dance like a butterfly around Beterbiev. However, I speculate that the adjustment that Bivol might do will be to try to become the Joker who is an immovable object against Batman's unstoppable force. This is very dangerous for Bivol because his jaw will be exposed for Beterbiev to give a knockout pants.
AFAIK, the first fight was very close. so if Beterbiev had discovered Bivol’s weakness, he could have knocked him out, but that didn’t happen. On the other hand, we can also say that Bivol might have discovered Beterbiev’s weakness, which could give him a chance to win this time.
Yes, it will be interesting as to what weaknesses Beterbiev have discovered? Bivol was dominating him in the first couple of rounds. So again, did he see that Bivol doesn't have a good defense, or simply that he see Bivol getting tired late?

Judging by the first fight, I still believe this will be another close contest if it goes to the judges’ scorecards again. At this point, if we’re betting, it’s best to go with who we think has the edge. Besides, the odds for both fighters are quite attractive.
Right, the odds says it all, although this time is is Beterbiev that is the slight favorite. But still this rematch could be very close just like the last one and it's going to be very hard to judge again as the pattern might be same, Bivol started early and then Beterbiev catching in the last couple of rounds.

 
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For those who want to see the numbers in the first fight and how close it is,


https://www.boxingscene.com/compubox-stats-artur-beterbiev-dmitry-bivol--186425

So in the first six rounds, Bivol numbers is very high and as expected, he is more of the volume puncher.

But in the second half, Beterbiev switch to beast mode and so he increased his attack and power punches to hurt Bivol and that might be enough for the judges to score the fight for him.

Still very close though, that's why a rematch is needed in February 22.


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This fight will be more tougher for Bivol because his weakness was discovered by Beterbiev. Bivol bettors can wish only that he will have the correct adjustments for this rematch. I reckon the correct adjustment might be to become a boxer very much similar to the goat of boxing Muhammad Ali and dance like a butterfly around Beterbiev. However, I speculate that the adjustment that Bivol might do will be to try to become the Joker who is an immovable object against Batman's unstoppable force. This is very dangerous for Bivol because his jaw will be exposed for Beterbiev to give a knockout pants.
AFAIK, the first fight was very close. so if Beterbiev had discovered Bivol’s weakness, he could have knocked him out, but that didn’t happen. On the other hand, we can also say that Bivol might have discovered Beterbiev’s weakness, which could give him a chance to win this time.

Judging by the first fight, I still believe this will be another close contest if it goes to the judges’ scorecards again. At this point, if we’re betting, it’s best to go with who we think has the edge. Besides, the odds for both fighters are quite attractive.

Is that your argument? If Beterbiev did not discover Bivol's weakness on being pressured if Beterbiev did not knockout the head of Bivol? This is very headshaking.

Bivol is very much weak when his opponent can keep the very close distance and pressuring him to move backward. This was something similar to Canelo's tactics, however, Bivol was very much strong for Canelo. He is not strong against Beterbiev.

This has been my argument for this rematch. If Bivol cannot float like butterfly and fly from Beterbiev, he will be in panic on the rope and his jaw might be exposed if he will fight Beterbiev in the pocket.

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For those who want to see the numbers in the first fight and how close it is,


https://www.boxingscene.com/compubox-stats-artur-beterbiev-dmitry-bivol--186425

So in the first six rounds, Bivol numbers is very high and as expected, he is more of the volume puncher.

But in the second half, Beterbiev switch to beast mode and so he increased his attack and power punches to hurt Bivol and that might be enough for the judges to score the fight for him.

Still very close though, that's why a rematch is needed in February 22.



There is not much to separate them. They both have strengths and weaknesses that counter each other perfectly. Beterbiev has the power advantage but Bivol makes up for it with volume and landing cleaner punches. If they go the distance, the decision will once again be very debatable, but it cannot be considered a robbery when the final stats are so close.

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If anyone is going to defeat Artur Beterbiev, it has to be Dmitry Bivol. At the age of 40, Beterbiev has scored 20 knockouts from 21 fights so far. The only time he didn't got the KO, Bivol was at he other end. That said, the loss to Beterbiev should be disappointing for Bivol. It was his first defeat in 24 matches. Anyway the good thing for Bivol is that the fight is happening in Saudi Arabia. After he defeated Canelo Álvarez in 2022, Bivol didn't received any money, as he is a Russian citizen and the American authorities blocked the money transfer. In Saudi, I don't think that he will face any similar issues.

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For those who want to see the numbers in the first fight and how close it is,


https://www.boxingscene.com/compubox-stats-artur-beterbiev-dmitry-bivol--186425

So in the first six rounds, Bivol numbers is very high and as expected, he is more of the volume puncher.

But in the second half, Beterbiev switch to beast mode and so he increased his attack and power punches to hurt Bivol and that might be enough for the judges to score the fight for him.

Still very close though, that's why a rematch is needed in February 22.



There is not much to separate them. They both have strengths and weaknesses that counter each other perfectly. Beterbiev has the power advantage but Bivol makes up for it with volume and landing cleaner punches. If they go the distance, the decision will once again be very debatable, but it cannot be considered a robbery when the final stats are so close.

And it's hard to interpret the numbers, although it might not lie, but I have read the it might not be as accurate as it sounds. And I thought that Beterbiev really did good in the championship rounds but base on the numbers still very close to me.

For sure, I will tend to believed that this fight is going to distance again. Bivol hasn't been knockout before and it shows in the last fight although he lost and admit to it post fight interview. But on the other hand, Beterbiev also admitted that he is not satisfied with this win.

But if we want to see a clear winning, it's either Beterbiev by KO, and Bivol having the performance that he displayed against Canelo Alvarez.


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After the controversial first fight, we expect a rematch to happen soon, and we're glad that it will happen right away without either fighter taking another fight with other fighters.
I hope Bivol can even fight and win by decision so we'll have a trilogy. This time I favor Bivol to win the fight. There's distractions on his last fight, like the divorce settlement; by now he is focused on this fight. I see this fight lasting the distance with Bivol winning the fight because of fresh legs; I just feel that Beterbiev will show eventually and possibly in this fight.

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After the controversial first fight, we expect a rematch to happen soon, and we're glad that it happened right away without either fighter taking another fight with other fighters.
I hope Bivol can even fight and win by decision so we'll have a trilogy, This time I favor Bivol to win the fight, There's distractions on his last fight, like the divorce settlement; by now he is focused on this fight, I see this fight lasting the distance with Bivol winning the fight because of fresh legs, I just feel that Beterbiev will show eventually and possibly on this fight.

And talking about that distractions, the wife of Bivol went to social media as she is watching the fight live and when she see Bivol losing, she said that it was karma. I never thought that Bivol is affected though, it was really a 50/50 fight and everything was in the judges hand and unfortunately, they think that Beterbiev did it but one can argue that the numbers compu data says that Bivol might have done enough to win.

So the pressure on Bivol's shoulder to make that necessary adjustment to win the fight in their rematch. Maybe not allow him to be in to pocket or just fight in the center of the ring just like when he defeated Canelo.

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After the controversial first fight, we expect a rematch to happen soon, and we're glad that it happened right away without either fighter taking another fight with other fighters.
I hope Bivol can even fight and win by decision so we'll have a trilogy, This time I favor Bivol to win the fight, There's distractions on his last fight, like the divorce settlement; by now he is focused on this fight, I see this fight lasting the distance with Bivol winning the fight because of fresh legs, I just feel that Beterbiev will show eventually and possibly on this fight.

A lot are rooting for Beterbiev but of course, Bivol has the motivation to win this fight. Because if not, there will be no trilogy that will happen afterwards. But I don't think Beterbiev will just let Bivol to win on this one. So both fighters are surely preparing for their rematch.

On this fight, it seems that Bivol is being the favourite to win on this match. One factor maybe is the age, 33 vs 39. Younger blood can indeed have a factor if they will use the stamina accordingly. However, it is the preparation that can differentiate them once inside the ring. Experience is also one factor. So both boxers have their own advantages and they need to use it once they get inside.

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December 11, 2024, 04:35:27 AM
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After the controversial first fight, we expect a rematch to happen soon, and we're glad that it happened right away without either fighter taking another fight with other fighters.
I hope Bivol can even fight and win by decision so we'll have a trilogy, This time I favor Bivol to win the fight, There's distractions on his last fight, like the divorce settlement; by now he is focused on this fight, I see this fight lasting the distance with Bivol winning the fight because of fresh legs, I just feel that Beterbiev will show eventually and possibly on this fight.

A lot are rooting for Beterbiev but of course, Bivol has the motivation to win this fight. Because if not, there will be no trilogy that will happen afterwards. But I don't think Beterbiev will just let Bivol to win on this one. So both fighters are surely preparing for their rematch.

Agreed. There are many fans who are only speculating on Bivol's adjustments, however, they have not considered that Beterbiev will also have his own adjustments for this rematch because Beterbiev might be very disappointed that he did not knockout Bivol and put him in a stretcher.

I reckon if Bivol's adjustment will be to force himself to be stronger, this might be a mistake because this is the type of fight where Beterbiev can become very much powerful.

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December 11, 2024, 09:35:36 AM
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After the controversial first fight, we expect a rematch to happen soon, and we're glad that it happened right away without either fighter taking another fight with other fighters.
I hope Bivol can even fight and win by decision so we'll have a trilogy, This time I favor Bivol to win the fight, There's distractions on his last fight, like the divorce settlement; by now he is focused on this fight, I see this fight lasting the distance with Bivol winning the fight because of fresh legs, I just feel that Beterbiev will show eventually and possibly on this fight.

A lot are rooting for Beterbiev but of course, Bivol has the motivation to win this fight. Because if not, there will be no trilogy that will happen afterwards. But I don't think Beterbiev will just let Bivol to win on this one. So both fighters are surely preparing for their rematch.

Agreed. There are many fans who are only speculating on Bivol's adjustments, however, they have not considered that Beterbiev will also have his own adjustments for this rematch because Beterbiev might be very disappointed that he did not knockout Bivol and put him in a stretcher.

I reckon if Bivol's adjustment will be to force himself to be stronger, this might be a mistake because this is the type of fight where Beterbiev can become very much powerful.

Both will adjust obvious, but I do not think that there will be major adjustment, I mean you can't think old dogs new trick. Maybe Bivol will work more on the angles or the distance. Or maybe to increase his gas tank so that the judges will not see him as fading in the championship rounds.

And with that, Beterbiev will have to start early as well and not let Bivol take it over with his volume punching early. So still going to be very hard to predict although others might favor Bivol in the rematch because he could be more motivated to avenge his very close lost in the first fight.

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December 11, 2024, 09:36:35 PM
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After the controversial first fight, we expect a rematch to happen soon, and we're glad that it happened right away without either fighter taking another fight with other fighters.
I hope Bivol can even fight and win by decision so we'll have a trilogy, This time I favor Bivol to win the fight, There's distractions on his last fight, like the divorce settlement; by now he is focused on this fight, I see this fight lasting the distance with Bivol winning the fight because of fresh legs, I just feel that Beterbiev will show eventually and possibly on this fight.

A lot are rooting for Beterbiev but of course, Bivol has the motivation to win this fight. Because if not, there will be no trilogy that will happen afterwards. But I don't think Beterbiev will just let Bivol to win on this one. So both fighters are surely preparing for their rematch.

Agreed. There are many fans who are only speculating on Bivol's adjustments, however, they have not considered that Beterbiev will also have his own adjustments for this rematch because Beterbiev might be very disappointed that he did not knockout Bivol and put him in a stretcher.

I reckon if Bivol's adjustment will be to force himself to be stronger, this might be a mistake because this is the type of fight where Beterbiev can become very much powerful.

I think the winner is the one who will make the best adjustment during the fight itself. And we have seen in the first fight that it was Beterbiev. It could be that his corner says that he is behind and so he needs to do something.

While Bivol wasn't able to keep his volume punching and let Beterbiev takes over. So for boxing IQ, it will be Beterbiev and his body even at age 40 will have the same performance, I think he will still win in the rematch.

 
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