[Boxing]: Bivol vs Beterbiev rematch Feb 22

[Sanitough]

Another fight that was remarkably close and could have gone either way. One key difference was that Bivol didn’t fade in the late rounds, he was able to handle Beterbiev’s power and finished strong. Beterbiev also performed very well and landed some heavy shots that had Bivol going backwards most of the fight. As effective as Artur is, Bivol is just a better technician who was more active and more accurate, demonstrating that you can be technical and also a crowd pleaser, unlike Shakur Stevenson. A third fight seems like the most logical thing and I would expect that fight to be just as competitive.

It’s a win for him, and now things are even. You could see the hunger in his eyes during that fightm, he was locked in, and his game plan worked perfectly. A majority decision is a huge win for him, and just as expected, if it went the full 12 rounds, Beterbiev would be in trouble and that’s exactly what happened. So, are we ready for the trilogy? I still think Bivol takes it, and that might just push Beterbiev into retirement.

[Kemarit]

Another fight that was remarkably close and could have gone either way. One key difference was that Bivol didn’t fade in the late rounds, he was able to handle Beterbiev’s power and finished strong. Beterbiev also performed very well and landed some heavy shots that had Bivol going backwards most of the fight. As effective as Artur is, Bivol is just a better technician who was more active and more accurate, demonstrating that you can be technical and also a crowd pleaser, unlike Shakur Stevenson. A third fight seems like the most logical thing and I would expect that fight to be just as competitive.

Exactly, he had save his energy on the last three rounds of the fight, round 10 I will give to Bivol, he is the busier fighter and round 11-12 are very close and it could go either way. The thing with Bivol here is the footwork and then his counter punching.

Now, it's more on quantity rather than quality. Meaning he didn't throw as much volume as the last fight, but this time, when he throws, most likely it will connect already. The first two rounds, he has really hitting Beterbiev with good jab that by the third round, we can see the Beterbiev's face has signs of that jab already.

Yes, I do agree, it's 1-1 so Turki would love to see a trilogy.

[TravelMug]

Another fight that was remarkably close and could have gone either way. One key difference was that Bivol didn’t fade in the late rounds, he was able to handle Beterbiev’s power and finished strong. Beterbiev also performed very well and landed some heavy shots that had Bivol going backwards most of the fight. As effective as Artur is, Bivol is just a better technician who was more active and more accurate, demonstrating that you can be technical and also a crowd pleaser, unlike Shakur Stevenson. A third fight seems like the most logical thing and I would expect that fight to be just as competitive.

It’s a win for him, and now things are even. You could see the hunger in his eyes during that fightm, he was locked in, and his game plan worked perfectly. A majority decision is a huge win for him, and just as expected, if it went the full 12 rounds, Beterbiev would be in trouble and that’s exactly what happened. So, are we ready for the trilogy? I still think Bivol takes it, and that might just push Beterbiev into retirement.

And it could be the first time that age might have caught with Beterbiev already? He was exposed here by Bivol, that his power might not be like to going to hurt him and he did take it and eat all those big shots and then he made Beterbiev very uncomfortable in this fight.

I also agree with the adjustments as he demonstrated in the last 3 rounds that he still has some inside of him to go toe to toe and not afraid to get knockout. So he takes the risk and it really paid off. And I agree that Bivol has the momentum now going into the trilogy and Beterbiev might not overcome him in the final fight.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

Here is the judges scorecards.

114-114 116-112 115- 113 It's now even Bivol won the match via a majority decision. It's revenge for Bivol; he has a solid defense throughout the fight, sneaking a lot of punches on Beterbiev. Since its now 1-1, we will probably have a trilogy.
Bivol suffered a big cut in the final round, which could have put him in trouble if it happened in the early rounds, Bivol did a good assignment and made a lot of changes in this fight and he did it.

The fight was very much similar to the fight before, however, for this night the judges have decided to give the victory to Bivol hehehe. If it was given to Beterbiev it would also not be shocking. Beterbiev did not improve, Bivol did not improve, there was nothing.

Also, agreed that this will be a trilogy. However, if we witness another fight similar to this we have witnessed tonight, it will be very much boring, I reckon. David Benavidez might be a better next opponent for Bivol.

However there wouldn't be a trilogy if its still Arthur who won this fight. So they are going to give the Saudis a good run for their money with the trilogy. But I wouldn't be surprise in the 3rd fight that its Arthur who'd win. He is that one charging in the fight and Bivol just keeps backing away.

He chooses to be the aggressor here, and it could have work on the favor of Bivol as he counter shots all night long when Beterbiev was trying to get close to him. And his jab and overhand right hand is very effective as it caught Beterbiev, and stopping him at times.

I'd like to see the 3rd fight to be head to head because there is not much of an exchange in the middle that will make us sit on the edge.

A 3rd fight is needed to settle the score, the second one was also great, but we really need to see which is really the best out of this two. We will talk about Benavidez and Morrell late, but for now this is the obvious 1 and 2 of the LHW division. Now Bivol is the undisputed.

[Botnake]

A 3rd fight is needed to settle the score, the second one was also great, but we really need to see which is really the best out of this two. We will talk about Benavidez and Morrell late, but for now this is the obvious 1 and 2 of the LHW division. Now Bivol is the undisputed.

A trilogy is happening, right?

I think Beterbiev now understands why the first fight’s outcome was so controversial. In the trilogy, he won’t want to leave it in the hands of the judges again since that gives him little chance of winning. He’ll probably be the one to adjust this time using his power to end the fight early, even if it means taking risks and leaving himself open due to his aggression. I can't wait for this trilogy to happen, hopefully, we get it before the year ends.

[TopTort777]

A very good fight, but smells like Sheikhs added some influence in that. Both performed well, but looks so controversial if they will have a trilogy. As if all was staged to make a trilogy and earn money. The first fight should be draw and in favor of Bivol today. But, now I hope that they will a third fight in nearest year or two. Not like GGG vs Canelo trilogy after many years.

[btc_angela]

A 3rd fight is needed to settle the score, the second one was also great, but we really need to see which is really the best out of this two. We will talk about Benavidez and Morrell late, but for now this is the obvious 1 and 2 of the LHW division. Now Bivol is the undisputed.

A trilogy is happening, right?

I think Beterbiev now understands why the first fight’s outcome was so controversial. In the trilogy, he won’t want to leave it in the hands of the judges again since that gives him little chance of winning. He’ll probably be the one to adjust this time using his power to end the fight early, even if it means taking risks and leaving himself open due to his aggression. I can't wait for this trilogy to happen, hopefully, we get it before the year ends.

He said post interview that he will have to take a rest because he is injured or something. And then he talks about the trilogy, or a fight with Benavidez or even Canelo Alvarez. And he said that early fight might happen in December or even October.

He also mentioned about the CW division, Lol, but probably he is looking for greatness and cementing his legacy so maybe in the future when there are no challenge for him in the LHW then he could move up to the next weight class.

[Jating]

A very good fight, but smells like Sheikhs added some influence in that. Both performed well, but looks so controversial if they will have a trilogy. As if all was staged to make a trilogy and earn money.

But it was clearly Bivol won the fight though, I don't know if there is some influence by Turki here. If the fight is really close, then maybe we can talk about influence or what not. However, this is very clear that Bivol did enough in the later rounds and didn't want Beterbiev to steal that crucial rounds that why the score favors here, it was a majority decision although one judge say it 114-114.

However, perhaps the majority of our boxing fans here saw that Bivol did enough, turning point is round 8 wherein Bivol really stood his ground and I think this is where what @bbc.reporter said, "float like a butterfly, sting like a bee". As he shows great footwork like Ali, light moving and then throwing jabs and Beterbiev doesn't have answers and at times he seems to be confuse or don't know how to deal with Bivol's adjustment.

[Botnake]

A 3rd fight is needed to settle the score, the second one was also great, but we really need to see which is really the best out of this two. We will talk about Benavidez and Morrell late, but for now this is the obvious 1 and 2 of the LHW division. Now Bivol is the undisputed.

A trilogy is happening, right?

I think Beterbiev now understands why the first fight’s outcome was so controversial. In the trilogy, he won’t want to leave it in the hands of the judges again since that gives him little chance of winning. He’ll probably be the one to adjust this time using his power to end the fight early, even if it means taking risks and leaving himself open due to his aggression. I can't wait for this trilogy to happen, hopefully, we get it before the year ends.

He said post interview that he will have to take a rest because he is injured or something. And then he talks about the trilogy, or a fight with Benavidez or even Canelo Alvarez. And he said that early fight might happen in December or even October.

He also mentioned about the CW division, Lol, but probably he is looking for greatness and cementing his legacy so maybe in the future when there are no challenge for him in the LHW then he could move up to the next weight class.

Why would he fight other boxers if his main concern is his injury? It’s perfectly fine to rest, take time to recover, and come back stronger to finish unfinished business. If he really wants to cement his legacy, he should beat the boxer who beat him, that’s the best way to secure his place in history.

People don’t remember how many divisions a boxer won in as much as who they defeated.

Take Marquez, for example. After knocking out Pacquiao, he refused a rematch. But even then, many still believe Pacquiao was the better fighter, not just because he was an 8-division champion, but because he was never afraid to fight anyone and always gave his opponents a chance at redemption after a loss.

[coin-investor]

A very good fight, but smells like Sheikhs added some influence in that. Both performed well, but looks so controversial if they will have a trilogy. As if all was staged to make a trilogy and earn money. The first fight should be draw and in favor of Bivol today. But, now I hope that they will a third fight in nearest year or two. Not like GGG vs Canelo trilogy after many years.

I don't think he can cast influence on Beterbiev or Bivol; these guys already made a lot of money. They want to take their legacy to greater heights, and its obvious that its a real fight, and Bivol clearly wins the fight. Beterbiev and his team are so determined in the championship rounds. I have seen the fight, and both fights are all out. I have not seen even for one second that any of the fighters relaxed and gave the fight to another fighter.
We have to give credit to Bivol for a well-planned strategy, but concern was the cut good that it happened in the last round.

[Baofeng]

In case you didn't know, AI is also being used to score this fight,



https://x.com/ringmagazine/status/1893458330439283078.

The scores of the fight is 114-114, 116-112, 115-113. So it seems that AI and one judge has the same score.

And maybe this is just the start that we might see AI to score the fight, but not sure if they are going to totally replace judges in the future. Although we have seen biased scorer in the past.

[coin-investor]

In case you didn't know, AI is also being used to score this fight,

The scores of the fight is 114-114, 116-112, 115-113. So it seems that AI and one judge has the same score.

And maybe this is just the start that we might see AI to score the fight, but not sure if they are going to totally replace judges in the future. Although we have seen biased scorer in the past.

This is something many of us are afraid of. AI's are gaining ground; they think and create better works. I am ok with AI including as a test or independent judge, but never as an official judge. I still believe that human keen eyes for details and insight and appreciation on the situation are unique, which is what we need to officiate matches.
I hate to see AI without feeling; judging a combat sport because they do not understand the human side of battling each other.

[aioc]

A 3rd fight is needed to settle the score, the second one was also great, but we really need to see which is really the best out of this two. We will talk about Benavidez and Morrell late, but for now this is the obvious 1 and 2 of the LHW division. Now Bivol is the undisputed.

Unless it ended by knockout, there should be a third match that will decide who is the better fighter than the two. Bivol just frustrates Beterbiev's offense; the counter was something Beterbiev caught by surprise. I'm sure Beterbiev will watch the fight over and over again and try to correct all those he made mistakes.
This is going to be a trilogy worth watching, so we will just wait for the announcement; hopefully it will happen this year.

[serjent05]

A 3rd fight is needed to settle the score, the second one was also great, but we really need to see which is really the best out of this two. We will talk about Benavidez and Morrell late, but for now this is the obvious 1 and 2 of the LHW division. Now Bivol is the undisputed.

A trilogy is happening, right?

Definitely, this match will go into a trilogy.  As expected, the match will last to 12 round and Bivol winning this match as if it was orchestrated for a third fight.  I don't mean that the fight is rigged and I believe it was a draw or Bivol winning the first fight.  It is that Bivol has the need to step up to prove himself since he lost in their first fight and so he does.

Unless it ended by knockout, there should be a third match that will decide who is the better fighter than the two. Bivol just frustrates Beterbiev's offense; the counter was something Beterbiev caught by surprise.

It is obvious that Bivol had studied Beterbiev's movement and mannerism in the ring and prepared for an effective counter for that.  It is not impossible for Bivol to do that because he is a very technical boxer.

I'm sure Beterbiev will watch the fight over and over again and try to correct all those he made mistakes.

Beterbieve might change his tactics or create new boxing moves to surprise Bivol.  I believe Beterbiev understands that Bivol already checked all his antiques and had prepared counters for them so he needs new moves or approach the fight aggressively and knock Bivol out in the early round in the Trilogy if that happens.

In case you didn't know, AI is also being used to score this fight,

The scores of the fight is 114-114, 116-112, 115-113. So it seems that AI and one judge has the same score.

And maybe this is just the start that we might see AI to score the fight, but not sure if they are going to totally replace judges in the future. Although we have seen biased scorer in the past.

This is something many of us are afraid of. AI's are gaining ground; they think and create better works. I am ok with AI including as a test or independent judge, but never as an official judge. I still believe that human keen eyes for details and insight and appreciation on the situation are unique, which is what we need to officiate matches.
I hate to see AI without feeling; judging a combat sport because they do not understand the human side of battling each other.

Ai is more accurate in counting landing punches since they have more precision in detecting things than human eyes and I believe a mixture of both AI and human judge is way better than human judge alone due to the human limitation.  And I think they (human and AI) compensate for each other limitations and may produce a better judgment.

[TopTort777]

A very good fight, but smells like Sheikhs added some influence in that. Both performed well, but looks so controversial if they will have a trilogy. As if all was staged to make a trilogy and earn money. The first fight should be draw and in favor of Bivol today. But, now I hope that they will a third fight in nearest year or two. Not like GGG vs Canelo trilogy after many years.

I don't think he can cast influence on Beterbiev or Bivol; these guys already made a lot of money. They want to take their legacy to greater heights, and its obvious that its a real fight, and Bivol clearly wins the fight. Beterbiev and his team are so determined in the championship rounds. I have seen the fight, and both fights are all out. I have not seen even for one second that any of the fighters relaxed and gave the fight to another fighter.
We have to give credit to Bivol for a well-planned strategy, but concern was the cut good that it happened in the last round.

From their first fight, Bivol used experieced from reading his opponent and used it in this fight. Beterbiev was usual Beterbiev, aiming for one punch to daze, to connect good, to break opponents gameplan. To bad he did not land that one fight, when he could start preparing his one punch knockout. Congratz Bivol.

Btw, why dont Beterbiev shook Bivols hand after the fight?

[bbc.reporter]

Here is the judges scorecards.

114-114 116-112 115- 113 It's now even Bivol won the match via a majority decision. It's revenge for Bivol; he has a solid defense throughout the fight, sneaking a lot of punches on Beterbiev. Since its now 1-1, we will probably have a trilogy.
Bivol suffered a big cut in the final round, which could have put him in trouble if it happened in the early rounds, Bivol did a good assignment and made a lot of changes in this fight and he did it.

The fight was very much similar to the fight before, however, for this night the judges have decided to give the victory to Bivol hehehe. If it was given to Beterbiev it would also not be shocking. Beterbiev did not improve, Bivol did not improve, there was nothing.

Also, agreed that this will be a trilogy. However, if we witness another fight similar to this we have witnessed tonight, it will be very much boring, I reckon. David Benavidez might be a better next opponent for Bivol.

However there wouldn't be a trilogy if its still Arthur who won this fight. So they are going to give the Saudis a good run for their money with the trilogy. But I wouldn't be surprise in the 3rd fight that its Arthur who'd win. He is that one charging in the fight and Bivol just keeps backing away.

I'd like to see the 3rd fight to be head to head because there is not much of an exchange in the middle that will make us sit on the edge.

I disagree on your prediction. Beterbiev is already very much becoming more older. I predict that this trilogy will be won by the younger boxer, Dmitry Bivol. It also appears that the Arabs also want him get the victory to face David Benavidez. I wish that the fight of David Benavidez versus Bivol or Beterbiev will be in Las Vegas.

In any case, I am not very excited for this Beterbiev vs. Bivol 3 because we can be very much certainly certain that the 3rd fight will be very much similar to the fights before.

[Ziskinberg]

I disagree on your prediction. Beterbiev is already very much becoming more older. I predict that this trilogy will be won by the younger boxer, Dmitry Bivol. It also appears that the Arabs also want him get the victory to face David Benavidez. I wish that the fight of David Benavidez versus Bivol or Beterbiev will be in Las Vegas.

In any case, I am not very excited for this Beterbiev vs. Bivol 3 because we can be very much certainly certain that the 3rd fight will be very much similar to the fights before.

Age is definitely a big factor, but let's not forget that Beterbiev won their first fight. And in the rematch, he was only a year older at most, not a huge difference. So if the trilogy happens soon, he still has a chance to win.

The main reason Bivol won this time is that he outsmarted Beterbiev. He knew the power he was up against, so he played it smart and took the fight to the judges' scorecards, but only this time, he performed even better, which secured him the win. In the trilogy, if Beterbiev can’t knock Bivol out, he’ll almost certainly lose again.

[bbc.reporter]

@Ziskinberg. I disagree. The power of Beterbiev that we have witnessed in the fight before and this rematch is not very powerful to knockout Bivol. The jaw of Bivol is harder than metal and because of the older age of Beterbiev, his power punches are becoming more weaker. This will certainly become more weaker than the present weaker strength of his power punches next year.

The trilogy fight will be boring because we have witnessed this already 2 times. Unless it will be Beterbiev and his coach who will copy the Rocky Balboa's tactics and float like a butterfly on the trilogy fight!

[bisdak40]

@Ziskinberg. I disagree. The power of Beterbiev that we have witnessed in the fight before and this rematch is not very powerful to knockout Bivol. The jaw of Bivol is harder than metal and because of the older age of Beterbiev, his power punches are becoming more weaker. This will certainly become more weaker than the present weaker strength of his power punches next year.

The trilogy fight will be boring because we have witnessed this already 2 times. Unless it will be Beterbiev and his coach who will copy the Rocky Balboa's tactics and float like a butterfly on the trilogy fight!

Agree, father time has already caught up with Beterbiev, his power punches is not so lethal like that of the first fight but we should also credit Bivol for not absorbing too much of that punches as he floats like a butterfly .

As for the trilogy, the punches of Beterbiev will be more weaker so we can expect that he can't knockout Bivol anymore.

[cabron]

In case you didn't know, AI is also being used to score this fight,

The scores of the fight is 114-114, 116-112, 115-113. So it seems that AI and one judge has the same score.

And maybe this is just the start that we might see AI to score the fight, but not sure if they are going to totally replace judges in the future. Although we have seen biased scorer in the past.

This is something many of us are afraid of. AI's are gaining ground; they think and create better works. I am ok with AI including as a test or independent judge, but never as an official judge. I still believe that human keen eyes for details and insight and appreciation on the situation are unique, which is what we need to officiate matches.
I hate to see AI without feeling; judging a combat sport because they do not understand the human side of battling each other.

Sounds like we are going to keep using this 4th-Judge.com to justify fights the ended in a controversial decision. Is this the first AI judge?
This shouldn't be the first that comes out in the sports but an AI that will analyst boxing matches. What I'm hoping to do it is that a boxing analyst AI and then connects it to a 4th judge for prediction.

Anyway, because there is the need for tie breaker, the trilogy is going to come and I hope the 3rd will be wilder and they exchange in the middle to test their chins who stands that last.