"Learn Bitcoin" is silent when farmed account queries are raised

[worldofcoins]

One key thing to note is that it was not known which other account (or accounts) he was using before he purchased/hacked his Royse account from the original Russian account creator, but there are suspicions he is from Bangladesh. We know naim027 is from Bangladesh therefore that brotherly bond between the two could based on that.

Yes - If naim07 worked for the gambling casino icopress mentioned and royse (considering previous account owner hired the same person) then there is a good chance he knew well the previous owner of acc Royse (consider the account hacked/sold later on).

If
LittleMouse’s deal with naim027: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5251387.0

naim027 (scammer)- hired by royse
naim027 - traded with little mouse
Small rabbit (scammer)- protected by royse..

For some reason Royse has a soft spot for scammers and mammals from bangladesh.

Royse protects/speaks in favor of them, @Jollygood you’re actually correct with your statement , it’s most likely bangladesh brothership..

Royse promotes & becomes a part of scams, hires and protects scammers in public.



I am actually not in any campaign so there’s nothing financial for me to gain here, but i will se if I can track down the connections of these users plus royse’s account history before and after, when he employed naim, project worked, and so on… after finishing my existing work.

[mikeywith]

Overall, what are the general views within the community on this matter?

I think you are harassing said member with your, "respond to the accusations or I will keep my feedback" he doesn't owe you any explanations, you don't have any proof about the accusation, your tag is unjustified.

Man, doesn't this seem a little twisted on your part? It's okay if you don't respond to every accusation against you, but it's a mistake if someone else ignores such things.

I am interested in knowing what kind of privlage JollyGood has that other members don't.

[JollyGood]

From memory, what I can conclude is that original creator of the Royse777 account and naim027 were not familiar with each other. Furthermore, I am confident naim027 probably has no idea about how the current operator of the Royse777 account managed to get control of it or who created/owned/operated it originally.

It has been ascertained by his own conduct that naim027 is a compulsive liar who would not hesitate to lie as much as he could in an attempt to deflect attention away from himself. Whatever he states or stated has to be taken in the lowest form of trustworthiness but one day when he and Royse777 fall out (over money), he might post to tell us a few things which some will believe and some will doubt. I believe one day he will post about their relationship because it probably goes beyond just naim027 checking spreadsheets for him.

Yes - If naim07 worked for the gambling casino icopress mentioned and royse (considering previous account owner hired the same person) then there is a good chance he knew well the previous owner of acc Royse (consider the account hacked/sold later on).

[AB de Royse777]

Overall, what are the general views within the community on this matter?

I think you are harassing said member with your, "respond to the accusations or I will keep my feedback" he doesn't owe you any explanations, you don't have any proof about the accusation, your tag is unjustified.

Man, doesn't this seem a little twisted on your part? It's okay if you don't respond to every accusation against you, but it's a mistake if someone else ignores such things.

I am interested in knowing what kind of privlage JollyGood has that other members don't.

I hope you don't mind using your post as the reference of the warning I have for other members especially low rank and less powerful members.

JollyGood is nobody but an Instigator, propagandist, conspiracist, deceiver, contrarian, know-it-all, the last but not the least - a narcissistic. Low rank and less powerful members are advised to stay away from him.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

When an accusation is made, there are no set rules how one should address them. In my case, I mostly ignore threads are created in the Reputation board about me and maybe others can do the same if threads are created about them because not responding should not and does not imply guilt. However, I did send a PM to Learn Bitcoin asking him to post a direct response in that thread but he refused.

Not responding to an accusation (and getting a lawyer) might be prudent when you're dealing with the police, we're not talking about the judicial system here.  It's been my observation over the years that if someone is called out in a thread--and assuming the accused is aware of the thread--a non-response usually does imply guilt.  The same goes for an accused member showing up in a thread and then sort of rage-quitting, followed by a disappearing act.  I've seen that one a few times.

And Jesus, naim027 again?  I thought I'd seen the last of that username, but I guess if there's money to be made here even a disgraced member can't bear to permanently leave.  I haven't read the rest of this thread yet, but I bet by the time I'm done there will be decent evidence (or absolute proof) that Learn Bitcoin is indeed an alt of his.  Let much egg be on my face if I'm wrong.

Well, he sent a PM effectively stating he does not want to engage therefore it certainly does not look good on his part.

OK, that's definitely not a good start.  Reputation is everything here, since we're all basically anonymous forum members to each other.  I know if I got accused of something serious in a thread, I'd be damned if I'd be silent.  I'm not sure if being an alt of naim027 is super serious, but if Learn Bitcoin leaves it unaddressed then that's what people are likely to believe, and that could tarnish his reputation unnecessarily.

Why does everyone act like admins and mods are toooooo busy and running multi billion dollar corporations? Most are regular people not too busy doing much of anything.

Lol.  They've always been treated that way not because they're highly-paid CEOs or whatever but because of the enormous job they're expected to do.  There's so much shit to clean up on this forum that I can't imagine it's an easy task.

Anyway, may I also just request you all take it a little bit easier on yahoo62278?  He's been here roughly the same amount of time I have, and I can tell you that it's very easy to forget usernames and even harder to remember the details of their forum doings, especially as time goes on.  Sure, he could have done a search for naim027 before commenting....but just give him a little bit of a break, eh?  He's not the bad guy here.

[examplens]

And Jesus, naim027 again?  I thought I'd seen the last of that username, but I guess if there's money to be made here even a disgraced member can't bear to permanently leave.  I haven't read the rest of this thread yet, but I bet by the time I'm done there will be decent evidence (or absolute proof) that Learn Bitcoin is indeed an alt of his.  Let much egg be on my face if I'm wrong.

Due to some communication with Learn Bitcoin, I added him to my trust list, and so, although I don't like investigating alt accounts, I tried to follow this topic. What I noticed is that the discussion went to several other accounts, but LB is the least mentioned.

@The Sceptical Chymist, considering that I respect your opinion as neutral, how would you understand the conclusions from here that Learn Bitcoin and LittleMouse are connected as alt accounts with the topic that LB started some time ago Little Mouse is out of contact?
Someone can say that this is staged, but to me, it seems too complex, in purpose to clarify the nature of the connection between these two accounts.

[JollyGood]

Not responding to an accusation (and getting a lawyer) might be prudent when you're dealing with the police, we're not talking about the judicial system here.  It's been my observation over the years that if someone is called out in a thread--and assuming the accused is aware of the thread--a non-response usually does imply guilt.  The same goes for an accused member showing up in a thread and then sort of rage-quitting, followed by a disappearing act.  I've seen that one a few times.

If the accusation was made against me by a senior and/or respected account, I would be inclined to post at least once but other than that I would not bother entertaining the attention seekers especially if they were on my ignore list or clearly had a personal vendetta against me. In this particular case, your observation over the years is correct, it does imply what you concluded.

Since you mentioned it, I would add along with the rage quitters there are those that come along to defend various comments and/or allegations before going out calling the forum unfair promising never to return (however they have other accounts to keep them busy). As the saying goes and has been mentioned in the forum many times before: where there is money to be made

And Jesus, naim027 again?  I thought I'd seen the last of that username, but I guess if there's money to be made here even a disgraced member can't bear to permanently leave.  I haven't read the rest of this thread yet, but I bet by the time I'm done there will be decent evidence (or absolute proof) that Learn Bitcoin is indeed an alt of his.  Let much egg be on my face if I'm wrong.

I am extremely confident naim027 is operating several accounts here, hopefully names will be posted in due course. The fact he is employed by at least one campaign manager to check spreadsheets and be his sidekick shows there could be far more to the suggestion he is aware of the farmed accounts enrolled in campaigns he manages. If that is the case, those companies are paying the wrong campaign manager as there could something more sinister going on.

As for conclusive evidence, several members have mentioned in public and PMs that naim027 is getting better at trying to ensure there is no link between his farmed accounts but there are giveaway signs from time to time that clued up members would accept whereas others would want something more substantial.

Well, he sent a PM effectively stating he does not want to engage therefore it certainly does not look good on his part.

OK, that's definitely not a good start.  Reputation is everything here, since we're all basically anonymous forum members to each other.  I know if I got accused of something serious in a thread, I'd be damned if I'd be silent.  I'm not sure if being an alt of naim027 is super serious, but if Learn Bitcoin leaves it unaddressed then that's what people are likely to believe, and that could tarnish his reputation unnecessarily.

Learn Bitcoin made it clear he would avoid engaging and even in those PMs there were elements of naim027. Having said that, I was not the only member that suspected him for quite some time but giving frivolous reasons for not wanting to engage is pointless all the while continuing to post in order to meet his campaign quota to collect his pay.

Why does everyone act like admins and mods are toooooo busy and running multi billion dollar corporations? Most are regular people not too busy doing much of anything.

Lol.  They've always been treated that way not because they're highly-paid CEOs or whatever but because of the enormous job they're expected to do.  There's so much shit to clean up on this forum that I can't imagine it's an easy task.

Anyway, may I also just request you all take it a little bit easier on yahoo62278?  He's been here roughly the same amount of time I have, and I can tell you that it's very easy to forget usernames and even harder to remember the details of their forum doings, especially as time goes on.  Sure, he could have done a search for naim027 before commenting....but just give him a little bit of a break, eh?  He's not the bad guy here.

You attributed that quote to me when I did not make it, yahoo62278 posted it in a different thread, I just reposted it  
 
I agree. My posts in the thread demonstrate exactly what you pointed to. From time to time we all have forgotten names, posts and threads we have seen or have posted in or have even mixed them up and made errors recalling situations. He has been around here a long, he definitely is not a bad guy and I hope he will be around for many years to come.

[Little Mouse]

Surprised!
I used to know examplens as a respected forum member.

[pakhitheboss]

I still don't understand why BMs from a particular community are defending LB. I saw him continuously degrading and upcoming casino which is part of a signature campaign being promoted by icopress.

I only asked him to reply to this thread and yet he ignored my reply.

snip..

I guess you seem to be confused here as I am assuming you are ignoring the real issue.
It is imperative that you first reply on this thread than here. I amm quoting it for you as you don't have the courage and urgue.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5523709.0¿

Please use the above link to answer the questions being asked from some seniors. Your valuable inputs about the casino can come later if you know what I mean.

When I questioned him as to why not he is replying on this thread. He suddenly stopped the argument and came with this reply after an reply was made from the official account.

This system is designed to maintain the value of the GLX token and support long-term growth by linking token generation directly to platform activity. By requiring meaningful engagement before mining begins, we avoid flooding the ecosystem with tokens from inactive or minimal participation, which could lead to inflation and a loss of value.

Ok. This part makes some sense. So, you want to make it for active players who are loyal to Galactix. I have played in some other casinos with dividends, and I believe there are a lot of inactive players holding their tokens, which earn them some dividends, but that does not have too much value. I understand why you guys require rank two to be eligible to start mining, but I doubt it would prevent what you mentioned. You will still find some people who will be inactive after a certain period of time. There is no guarantee that a player will continue to play in your platform after wagering a thousand dollars. If a player wager a $1.5 and never come back, I will consider them as inactive as well.

It shows he is part of a campaign which deals in finding issues to degrade an upcoming casino. If someone check the replies by this individual on that thread they will understand the issue.

The big issue around here is that why he is not replying on this thread. It is evident that this is a user whose is a chronic liar is now using a new username. Another observation  from my side is that he always gets selected in those campaigns from two BMs who are now being questioned on this thread. Looks like it is a big conspiracy happening here where clients are getting fooled because none of us can identify alts which are using different wallet address.

[nutildah]

I'm bumping this thread because some new things concerning it have come to light recently.

There was another reason to suspect him as 'naim027'. He had sent some merits to StarBets representative account (check). Most of those merits were sent to random posts of StarBets account (not merit worthy post). 'naim027' had the habit of merit transferring in such way. Some alts of 'naim027' had also sent merit to StarBets account. 'decodx' had pointed out some reasons to show that StarBets account was operated by 'naim027'.

For reference:



And check out who StarBet's favorite account to send merit to is. There's no doubt that this person is comfortable manipulating the forum through multiple accounts for their own ends.

So I have a question for anybody who wants to answer it: would you red tag naim027's new account if you knew for certain who it was (having definitive proof), or would you give them another chance. I believe he has yet another account which he uses to exchange merits, bolster his trust, and he even goes so far as to have conversations with himself... it would be a sign of mental illness if it wasn't so cringe. The problem is, while I know the first account belongs to naim027 for a fact, I don't for the 2nd.

Personally I don't think such people can change, and I hate being lied to. But I'm willing to hear the opinions of others because I don't want to be acting out of a box.

[Free Market Capitalist]

So I have a question for anybody who wants to answer it: would you red tag naim027's new account if you knew for certain who it was (having definitive proof), or would you give them another chance.

What I see here is that he is now a campaign manager and seems to be doing well. I have always had my suspicions, but since I am not 100% sure and he seemed to be behaving well with this account, I reflected that in my last neutral feedback.

But it all boils down to whether you think there is trade risk or not.

[JollyGood]

For reference:



And check out who StarBet's favorite account to send merit to is. There's no doubt that this person is comfortable manipulating the forum through multiple accounts for their own ends.

So I have a question for anybody who wants to answer it: would you red tag naim027's new account if you knew for certain who it was (having definitive proof), or would you give them another chance. I believe he has yet another account which he uses to exchange merits, bolster his trust, and he even goes so far as to have conversations with himself... it would be a sign of mental illness if it wasn't so cringe. The problem is, while I know the first account belongs to naim027 for a fact, I don't for the 2nd.

Personally I don't think such people can change, and I hate being lied to. But I'm willing to hear the opinions of others because I don't want to be acting out of a box.

I have had a suspicion for a very long time about where some other accounts fit in to the jigsaw when it relates to matter about naim027. I think trying to talk his way in to allow a company or two to take him on as a campaign manager was always going to be the end goal. The purpose of such an endeavour would be primarily to keep a public facade of a campaign manager while simultaneously enrolling some highly dubious accounts in his campaigns (most probably because they were part of his account farming operations).

The answer is yes, I would give a red tag to any of his accounts.

What I see here is that he is now a campaign manager and seems to be doing well. I have always had my suspicions, but since I am not 100% sure and he seemed to be behaving well with this account, I reflected that in my last neutral feedback.

But it all boils down to whether you think there is trade risk or not.

With him being paid a certain amount of funds to pay campaign participants, there will always be a chance he will exit-scam. If he ever manages to manage a campaign such as Rainbet where there are a large number of participants, that would cause an enormous amount of problems for participants and the reputation of the forum if he ever did exit-scam.

He is probably biding his time, trying to get some campaigns (and when the time is right according to the funds he is holding) he will exit-scam. After all, he operates other accounts in the forum, it is just that he is getting better at obfuscating some of those accounts.

[yahoo62278]

So I have a question for anybody who wants to answer it: would you red tag naim027's new account if you knew for certain who it was (having definitive proof), or would you give them another chance. I believe he has yet another account which he uses to exchange merits, bolster his trust, and he even goes so far as to have conversations with himself... it would be a sign of mental illness if it wasn't so cringe. The problem is, while I know the first account belongs to naim027 for a fact, I don't for the 2nd.

Personally I don't think such people can change, and I hate being lied to. But I'm willing to hear the opinions of others because I don't want to be acting out of a box.

I have always been of the understanding that once you are banned you are no longer allowed to operate on this forum. That includes alt account from my interpretation.

https://bpip.org/Profile?id=1187984

The naim027 profile is autobanned, which means the new profile(assuming it is an alt) should also be banned.

Now when we are talking about tags, If I was to scam on this forum(never happening, just saying for example), I would expect that reputation to follow me on other forums. Especially for example altcoinstalks where you have to verify your profile to teleport there. I feel the same way regarding red trust earned, it should follow all of your alt accounts that are found.

You can't scam, lie, and cheat and just make a new account to hide your tracks. You may be doing great on the new account, but that doesn't change the fact that you are still deceiving the community by hiding on a new name and you will likely exhibit the same behavior once put in a bad situation. Can people change? yes, but it's rare. Change the situation and see how a user reacts and you'll see the true colors come out.

If said person is whom they are being accused of, I wonder if others know and have been keeping the secret? That might be an interesting topic.

[JollyGood]

A particular campaign manager employed him to help with spreadsheets. To my knowledge, there was never any announcement from that campaign manager stating their working relationship came to an end even though the huge associated farmed accounts were exposed.

For all we know, he could still be employed by the campaign manager. I doubt he would not have known the identity of some other accounts therefore he might have been in on the so-called secret.

[nutildah]

https://bpip.org/Profile?id=1187984

The naim027 profile is autobanned, which means the new profile(assuming it is an alt) should also be banned.

It was erroneously unbanned about 5 months later:



I use the word "erroneously" because during the time of the ban he was posting with other accounts and creating new accounts, including Learn Bitcoin (aka God of Thunder).

Anyway, without further ado, here's what I was talking about:

https://x.com/ThunderGodpro/status/1389586445103288326

(archive)

He actually did it a few times:



And if there was any doubt this was his account:




^^^
links to a thread started by him

I am not going to leave any kind of tag at the moment. Instead I just ask "God of Thunder" this one question: did you create the DYING_S0UL account? If you come clean then I won't tag either of your accounts. If its later found out that you're lying, I will definitely tag both accounts.

[Free Market Capitalist]

I am not going to leave any kind of tag at the moment. Instead I just ask "God of Thunder" this one question: did you create the DYING_S0UL account? If you come clean then I won't tag either of your accounts. If its later found out that you're lying, I will definitely tag both accounts.

And what will you do in the third case, which you don't seem to have considered, and which I believe is the most likely? I mean, what if he doesn't respond? He hasn't posted a single reply in this thread.

I think I'll make some popcorn and watch the whole thing from the sidelines.

[DYING_S0UL]

I am not going to leave any kind of tag at the moment. Instead I just ask "God of Thunder" this one question: did you create the DYING_S0UL account? If you come clean then I won't tag either of your accounts. If its later found out that you're lying, I will definitely tag both accounts.

Just exactly based on what you are accusing me of being alt of Learn Bitcoin? Is it because of the similarities in usernames, or because we belong to the same local board or merits? Please clarify these.

Well if I knew about these past dramas, I certainly wouldn't have chosen something so obvious (username)! I also stated twice why I choose this username and one time you even confronted me regarding this.

As for proving, I'm not LB, I can show you many forum PMs that I exchanged with him, throughout these years. There were so many times when I took help from him with my translations work! Want me to spit those out? I'll be happy to! Those PM's will clearly prove that, I'm not an alt of his.


This is the PM I sent him on Jan 14, 2024. I'm translating it into English for better understanding since it's nor in English nor in Bangla (mixed).

Bro I had some problems, had confusions.

I am giving you 90% completed translation with BBcodes in the next PM, please take a look.
I am having some difficulties with some English words, so I kept them in English.

Also, below, I have mentioned some points, please check them also ( basically asking for help with those)



This is what he responded with. He translated those points and gave them to me!

If I were the same person, why on earth would I do this?

[LoyceV]

If I were the same person, why on earth would I do this?

If you're the same person, it wouldn't hurt to send yourself a few PMs just so that you can post them later as "evidence".

I've always been suspicious about so many members from the same local board all doing kinda similar things when it comes to posting, Merit and campaigns, but that's just suspicions without any evidence.

[DYING_S0UL]

If I were the same person, why on earth would I do this?

If you're the same person, it wouldn't hurt to send yourself a few PMs just so that you can post them later as "evidence".

I've always been suspicious about so many members from the same local board all doing kinda similar things when it comes to posting, Merit and campaigns, but that's just suspicions without any evidence.

But again, as you said, you are only suspecting without evidence, it doesn't prove guilt. Well we can assume all the things in the world, if we are so determined on certain things.

Also apart from PMs, I have other things that can prove I'm not connected with LB. But I'm not sure whether he'll testify for me. I can assure you he isn't from my local and is respected by many, including you. At this moment I'm trying to contact him.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Would you like me to create a conversation with 10 of my accounts (I can create them specifically for this example?). We should also create a separate thread on different ways to disguise alternate accounts in your history and award a bounty for the best method.