"Learn Bitcoin" is silent when farmed account queries are raised

[yahoo62278]

Now you guys are making me feel bad for sending him a merit. Meanies!!!! It's true he could have had a convo with himself and I don't know if he did or didn't. In the moment I did think it was a good thing for him to respond although Learn Bitcoin(God of Thunder) should be the 1 responding. Pretty serious accusation with proof. If no proof was posted I'd stay away from the topic if it was about me as well, but this isn't a stay away topic anymore.

[JollyGood]

It was erroneously unbanned about 5 months later:



I use the word "erroneously" because during the time of the ban he was posting with other accounts and creating new accounts, including Learn Bitcoin (aka God of Thunder).

Anyway, without further ado, here's what I was talking about:

https://x.com/ThunderGodpro/status/1389586445103288326

(archive)

He actually did it a few times:



And if there was any doubt this was his account:




^^^
links to a thread started by him

I am not going to leave any kind of tag at the moment. Instead I just ask "God of Thunder" this one question: did you create the DYING_S0UL account? If you come clean then I won't tag either of your accounts. If its later found out that you're lying, I will definitely tag both accounts.

This is interesting. I always knew naim027 was using the "Learn Bitcoin" account (that went on to become the "God of Thunder" account) but had very little that would convince others.

I already tagged the "DYING_S0UL" account when it was literally begging for merits and because of posting similarities to the naim027 banned account.

We all know naim027 is a compulsive liar, we have no idea how many accounts he is currently using and how many he operated in the past before they were exposed and he gave up on them but as a reminder, these are some of the known naim027 accounts:

"naim027"
"God Of Thunder" aka "Learn Bitcoin"
"Crypt0S0ul"
"AnotherAlt"
"John Abraham"
and the aptly named "Dic3L0v3r"

I am not going to leave any kind of tag at the moment. Instead I just ask "God of Thunder" this one question: did you create the DYING_S0UL account? If you come clean then I won't tag either of your accounts. If its later found out that you're lying, I will definitely tag both accounts.

And what will you do in the third case, which you don't seem to have considered, and which I believe is the most likely? I mean, what if he doesn't respond? He hasn't posted a single reply in this thread.

I think I'll make some popcorn and watch the whole thing from the sidelines.

I created this thread in December 2024, that is over a year ago and you are right, the Learn Bitcoin account aka God Of Thunder account did not post here even once. He will probably continue to avoid posting here in order to not bring more attention to himself as in the past it has lead to other accounts (and other nefarious conduct) being exposed.

As for proving, I'm not LB, I can show you many forum PMs that I exchanged with him, throughout these years. There were so many times when I took help from him with my translations work! Want me to spit those out? I'll be happy to! Those PM's will clearly prove that, I'm not an alt of his.


This is the PM I sent him on Jan 14, 2024. I'm translating it into English for better understanding since it's nor in English nor in Bangla (mixed).

Bro I had some problems, had confusions.

I am giving you 90% completed translation with BBcodes in the next PM, please take a look.
I am having some difficulties with some English words, so I kept them in English.

Also, below, I have mentioned some points, please check them also ( basically asking for help with those)



This is what he responded with. He translated those points and gave them to me!

If I were the same person, why on earth would I do this?

Theatrics. Drama. The "DYING_S0UL" account is part of the naim027 farm.

If I were the same person, why on earth would I do this?

If you're the same person, it wouldn't hurt to send yourself a few PMs just so that you can post them later as "evidence".

I've always been suspicious about so many members from the same local board all doing kinda similar things when it comes to posting, Merit and campaigns, but that's just suspicions without any evidence.

Over time, naim027 got better at obfuscating his accounts but that does not mean they will always remain hidden.

The so-called evidence he presented is nothing but some low level drama to use as a smokescreen to misdirect. The naim027 account is a chief manipulator and compulsive liar, writing a few PMs between some of his accounts to present as "evidence" counts for nothing.

[God Of Thunder]

^^^
links to a thread started by him

I am not going to leave any kind of tag at the moment. Instead I just ask "God of Thunder" this one question: did you create the DYING_S0UL account? If you come clean then I won't tag either of your accounts. If its later found out that you're lying, I will definitely tag both accounts.

I am not a scammer. The campaign participants will be paid in the same manner as they receive regular payments. I will not respond to the unfounded accusations linking Naim07 that have been circulating for a long time. Regarding the x-post link, how would you view it if I were to say that the x account, Discord, and the Telegram channel of ThunderGod Promotions are Naim Khan's (the user you know as Naim07) responsibility? Some will consider it a story, some will belive it. I will let you to decide it.

No, I did not create DYING_S0UL, nor do I know who is behind it. I know him from the forum and from his accent; I assume he is from the southern part of Bangladesh.

[JollyGood]

Now, the reality is I doubt many would feel offended when an account is clinging on to hopes of misdirection are fading (many would find it somewhat laughable as a misdirection or defence was presented) because we have seen that situation unfold on many occasions.

I think it is one thing to insult the intelligence of forum members by alluding that Naim Khan (naim027 the serial liar, the compulsive liar, the chief manipulator) was hired not only by one campaign manager (AB de Royse777 aka Royse777 who stated he was hired to assist with spreadsheets) but now he is hired by another campaign manager (God Of Thunder aka Learn Bitcoin) for social media account and promotional management too  

Long after naim027 was exposed as a compulsive liar and account farmer and he was employed by one campaign manager to assist checking spreadsheets and now we are being told several years later he is employed for operating the social media accounts of another campaign manager. Who believes this story?

As for the "DYING_S0UL" account, many of us have already come to a conclusion about it.

^^^
links to a thread started by him

I am not going to leave any kind of tag at the moment. Instead I just ask "God of Thunder" this one question: did you create the DYING_S0UL account? If you come clean then I won't tag either of your accounts. If its later found out that you're lying, I will definitely tag both accounts.

I am not a scammer. The campaign participants will be paid in the same manner as they receive regular payments. I will not respond to the unfounded accusations linking Naim07 that have been circulating for a long time. Regarding the x-post link, how would you view it if I were to say that the x account, Discord, and the Telegram channel of ThunderGod Promotions are Naim Khan's (the user you know as Naim07) responsibility? Some will consider it a story, some will belive it. I will let you to decide it.

No, I did not create DYING_S0UL, nor do I know who is behind it. I know him from the forum and from his accent; I assume he is from the southern part of Bangladesh.

[inspace]

I tagged this user. I think he had many chances, but he didn't take advantage of any of them. I think it's worth sending a private message to the casinos Gods of Thunder partners with, since any money transfer is now risky, and there's a high chance he'll soon disappear with the money and start spending more time on his next account.

So I have a question for anybody who wants to answer it: would you red tag naim027's new account if you knew for certain who it was (having definitive proof), or would you give them another chance. I believe he has yet another account which he uses to exchange merits, bolster his trust, and he even goes so far as to have conversations with himself... it would be a sign of mental illness if it wasn't so cringe. The problem is, while I know the first account belongs to naim027 for a fact, I don't for the 2nd.

Personally I don't think such people can change, and I hate being lied to. But I'm willing to hear the opinions of others because I don't want to be acting out of a box.

[nutildah]

I will not respond to the unfounded accusations linking Naim07 that have been circulating for a long time. Regarding the x-post link, how would you view it if I were to say that the x account, Discord, and the Telegram channel of ThunderGod Promotions are Naim Khan's (the user you know as Naim07) responsibility? Some will consider it a story, some will belive it. I will let you to decide it.

If you were to say that, I would say, "That's some of the dumbest shit I ever heard. WTF are you even talking about. The accusation is pretty fucking founded, broh. Either you enjoy lying or you just can't help but lie with every breath."

https://x.com/ThunderGodpro/about


https://x.com/ThunderGodpro/status/1839917613507600575

...
Bitcointalk Username - Learn Bitcoin
Bsc Wallet Address - 0xD901f75E264f242ef49a920C77335102Ccf37411

So I guess its a good thing you didn't actually say that.

No, I did not create DYING_S0UL

OK, so we have our answer from you. I'm not gonna bring it up any further. Thanks for your response.



"There's a passage I got memorized: Ezekiel 25:17.

'The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the Valley of the Darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.'

I been sayin that shit for years. And if you ever heard it, it meant your ass. I never really questioned what it meant. I thought it was just a cold-blooded thing to say to a mothafucka before you popped a cap in his ass. But I saw some shit this mornin that made me think twice. Now I'm thinkin, it could mean you're the evil man, and I'm the righteous man. And Mr. 9mm here, he's the shepherd protecting my righteous ass in the Valley of Darkness. Or it could be you're the righteous man and I'm the shepherd and it's the world that's evil and selfish. I'd like that. But that shit ain't the truth. The truth is you're the weak. And I'm the tyranny of evil men. But I'm tryin', Ringo. I'm tryin' real hard to be a shepherd." - Jules

[AB de Royse777]

If I were the same person, why on earth would I do this?

If you're the same person, it wouldn't hurt to send yourself a few PMs just so that you can post them later as "evidence".

No, it would not hurt if that was pre-planned.

but that's just suspicions without any evidence.

Regarding this?

@nutildah, I will speak for DYING_S0UL.
Naim027 and DYING_S0UL never felt the same person to me. I am 100% certain that DYING_S0UL can't be Naim027. I have had telegram contact with both Naim027 and DYING_S0UL. Most of the time DYING_S0UL was seeking suggestions, advices, knowledge about forum and bitcoin related things (he still does when he need) while Naim027 was a user who was working for me (some spreadsheet checking) like some other users who works for/with me.

I guess I should address the act of user inspace separately (I hope it's not off-topic. If off-topic then mods can delete and I will copy it to a new topic)
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I tagged this user. I think he had many chances, but he didn't take advantage of any of them. I think it's worth sending a private message to the casinos Gods of Thunder partners with, since any money transfer is now risky, and there's a high chance he'll soon disappear with the money and start spending more time on his next account.

How is your tag helping here at the same time is it appropriate? There are no concrete evidence yet that he is a scammer but you are tagging him because you are suspecting. You can not tag someone as a scammer because you suspect he will be a scammer.

I have seen you around for long time, and I saw how your account was built too, I know who is your main employer and supporter, I saw how you jumped in conclusion about other campaign managers or projects handled by other mangers (This is not your first time. Note: I am not good enough to find old post and bring reference so I apologize if my mind tricked me but I am sure about the jumping in conclusion part at-least one more time that happened before). Can I suspect that you are doing this for your own benefit, to benefit the employer, your supporter or worse thing is you are him with a different account? All are hypothesis anyway. But fact is - that does not matter. My point is:

"Learn Bitcoin" is a campaign manager without any scamming record yet (regarding the debate of he is Naim027  or someone else as a person). He has and is still managing serval campaigns successfully. Your tag will give a doubt to his employers (maybe you will direct those employers to your employer campaign manager: your benefit that I can think of). He will lose business, all hard work. What will be the end result? Here are two possibilities I can think of:

1. If he is not Naim027 then an innocent user get punished, lose all his handwork just because you are so called suspicious. We may or may not see "Learn Bitcoin" anymore. If we don't see the account "Learn Bitcoin" that won't mean that he disappeared, I know for a fact that the person behind "Learn Bitcoin" will continue under another name. He may or may not thrive like "Learn Bitcoin" but he will be among us however for your wrong judgement that person will suffer if he was innocent.
2. If he is Naim027 then you are forcing him to start over everything perhaps he will even become more desperate and become a scammer (I can not recall there was any accusation about Naim027 as a scammer). If he scam then you are creating a scammer.

As a campaign manager, I always wanted to see more managers to come and make this business better. But unfortunately there is this secret hates between some of us. One day you think the other manager is good friend to you but next day you discover he was talking behind your back. You find him jealous because he is losing campaigns for you. You were supposed to improve your service but you chose not to.

Many will have their own opinions, views about campaign managers but it's hard to deny that for this community, managers are a mandatory pillar and we need to co-operate with each others.

Note: I am speaking up for a promising manager here.

[JollyGood]

He deserves multiple tags. What could the intention of trying to reinvent himself as a campaign manager be when it was all built upon lies and deceit? Imagine he was holding large amounts of funds to pay campaign participants, would that not have tempted him to exit-scam?

If he continues in his new guise as a campaign manager, I am convinced at some stage he will definitely disappear taking the funds with him. We should remember that naim027 was a compulsive liar and chief manipulator. Any account that has been connected to him cannot be trusted as each one of those was created either for the purpose of generating an income or to use to protest his innocence.

We do not know the full extend of his account farm. Many accounts have been caught but we do not know how many he is actually using in totality.

I tagged this user. I think he had many chances, but he didn't take advantage of any of them. I think it's worth sending a private message to the casinos Gods of Thunder partners with, since any money transfer is now risky, and there's a high chance he'll soon disappear with the money and start spending more time on his next account.

[nutildah]

There are no concrete evidence yet that he is a scammer but you are tagging him because you are suspecting. You can not tag someone as a scammer because you suspect he will be a scammer.

I just want to point out that somebody doesn't have to be a scammer for valid red trust to be left on their account. If we look at what the instructions says next to the Negative trust radio button:

You think that trading with this person is high-risk.

This encompasses known/suspected scammers as well as those known/suspected of being incompetent, full of b.s., or any other condition that renders them a possibly unreliable trading partner. What constitutes "high risk" is also subjective; although in this case its more straight-forward (IMO) as this person is clearly comfortable lying to anybody and everybody (not IMO, this has been repeatedly proven).

1. If he is not Naim027 then an innocent user get punished, lose all his handwork just because you are so called suspicious.

There is no way he's not the same person and its a bit insulting that you could dismiss the very easy-to-digest evidence I presented in this thread. Its as close to definitive proof as possible, given the circumstances.

[Satofan44]

Note: I am speaking up for a promising manageraccount farmer here.

Somebody who accepts campaign jobs for $50 per week is not a promising manager, he's building up an army of farmed accounts. One of the easiest way to undermine the system and real managers here in a targeted way is to invest a little bit of money to farm trust, which it seems that he did early on, and then offer your "management services" (they can't be called services at all) for extremely cheap to get any kind of job (instead of a proper manager who will charge a fair amount of money).

@nutildah, I will speak for DYING_S0UL.
Naim027 and DYING_S0UL never felt the same person to me. I am 100% certain that DYING_S0UL can't be Naim027. I have had telegram contact with both Naim027 and DYING_S0UL. Most of the time DYING_S0UL was seeking suggestions, advices, knowledge about forum and bitcoin related things (he still does when he need) while Naim027 was a user who was working for me (some spreadsheet checking) like some other users who works for/with me.

That is the basic modus operandi for infiltrating a online platform and building multiple identities. Occasionally some of my colleagues have to use it for the dark web. However, who wants to believe in those stories and manipulations shall believe them -- it is usually hard to convince the gullible.   ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

He deserves multiple tags.

I find it a bit strange that this was left open for so long. Even if there was just some doubt that they may not be the same person (as in, the proof is not the highest standard possible here), you don't get connected to a scammer/farmer/banned account by chance unless someone set you up. It is very statistically unlikely that there would be more than 1 similarity simply by chance, therefore the old "where there is smoke.." usually applies (but not always -- as in the case of a setup, but that happens extremely rarely).

What could the intention of trying to reinvent himself as a campaign manager be when it was all built upon lies and deceit? Imagine he was holding large amounts of funds to pay campaign participants, would that not have tempted him to exit-scam?

Evading a ban is always untrustworthy behavior, no matter what the other intentions and activities are.

There is no way he's not the same person and its a bit insulting that you could dismiss the very easy-to-digest evidence I presented in this thread. Its as close to definitive proof as possible, given the circumstances.

They didn't even care enough to invent some ridiculous story to deny the evidence. 

[AB de Royse777]

There are no concrete evidence yet that he is a scammer but you are tagging him because you are suspecting. You can not tag someone as a scammer because you suspect he will be a scammer.

I just want to point out that somebody doesn't have to be a scammer for valid red trust to be left on their account. If we look at what the instructions says next to the Negative trust radio button:

You think that trading with this person is high-risk.

This encompasses known/suspected scammers as well as those known/suspected of being incompetent, full of b.s., or any other condition that renders them a possibly unreliable trading partner. What constitutes "high risk" is also subjective; although in this case its more straight-forward (IMO) as this person is clearly comfortable lying to anybody and everybody (not IMO, this has been repeatedly proven).

You can not deny that some people are using the feedback to serve their own benefits.

1. If he is not Naim027 then an innocent user get punished, lose all his handwork just because you are so called suspicious.

There is no way he's not the same person and its a bit insulting that you could dismiss the very easy-to-digest evidence I presented in this thread. Its as close to definitive proof as possible, given the circumstances.

I did not dismiss nor accepted anything. You missed my point when quoting only a part of the two possibilities.

Off-topic:
Sorry that you felt the insult. Being a campaign manager privilege me to network with people widely (on forum-off forum) and access more information. Yesterday I was with someone and here is what I had in mind about you when you were in the discussion.

So, give up any hurt feeling LOL

[LoyceV]

Somebody who accepts campaign jobs for $50 per week is not a promising manager
~
(instead of a proper manager who will charge a fair amount of money)

Campaign management is a globalized market, and in some countries $50 per week is far more than the average income. Many services don't care about spam, as long as they get exposure, so they'll go for the cheapest instead of the best.

[Free Market Capitalist]

Somebody who accepts campaign jobs for $50 per week is not a promising manager
~
(instead of a proper manager who will charge a fair amount of money)

Campaign management is a globalized market, and in some countries $50 per week is far more than the average income. Many services don't care about spam, as long as they get exposure, so they'll go for the cheapest instead of the best.

Is there a problem with that?

I think it's great that people from poor countries can eat thanks to writing on this forum. I see a lot of condescending and elitist attitudes on this issue. Fortunately, the forum administrator seems to have a similar opinion, otherwise he could ban signature campaigns, or those that pay less than X amount per post, etc.

[LoyceV]

Is there a problem with that?

The topic is about account farmers, which leads to spam. That's the problem.

[Free Market Capitalist]

Is there a problem with that?

The topic is about account farmers, which leads to spam. That's the problem.

I don't think you're referring to the topic of this thread, which is about the accounts of a specific person. If, as I believe, you're referring to the topic derived from the conversation, which talks about $50 weekly campaigns, it's a mistake in my opinion because the $100 weekly ones aren't free from farmers or spam. Even CM had a farmer with three accounts.

Applying this to the central theme of the thread, the protagonist is participating in a campaign with the Learn Bitcoin account, where he gets paid $120 per week if he achieves the maximum, which he usually does. And if it was true that DYING_S0UL is his alt he gets another $80 per week.

The $50 campaigns give opportunities to people who aren't so bright and who, just as they might end up spamming, might end up improving without breaking the rules.

But there's one guy around here who thinks he's very smart and keeps making categorical statements like that, as if he had the solutions to the forum's problems, and all he does is act like an idiot, especially in this section. And just to be clear, I'm not referring to you, but to the person you quoted.

[lovesmayfamilis]

The $50 campaigns give opportunities to people who aren't so bright and who, just as they might end up spamming, might end up improving without breaking the rules.

Do you really believe people will only have one account and participate in the company's signature for $50, knowing that multiple accounts are allowed on the forum?

How much time do these, as you say, "not smart" people spend on a single post? Is it really that hard for them to create several such small accounts, starting with push-ups, carving pumpkins, and posting pictures of places that accept Bitcoin, and then exchanging merits with their alternative accounts? I'm too lazy to open a second account, but for those who really need it, the forum itself is very supportive, so to say that someone is satisfied with $50 is highly doubtful.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3579336
Check this representative's posting speed. They prepare their responses somewhere in the dead of night and then send new threads to all their accounts.

[Free Market Capitalist]

Do you really believe people will only have one account and participate in the company's signature for $50, knowing that multiple accounts are allowed on the forum?

I don't care if they have two accounts, as long as they follow the rules, just as I don't care about $50 campaigns, which is in line with forum rules btw.

I was in a campaign with LoyceVmobile or whatever it's called, and I don't think anyone minds that he monetizes two accounts because he doesn't break the rules.

On the other hand, I started with the Bitvest.io campaign, which paid less than $50, and I'm not the only one who has had a good track record in the forum that started with that campaign or similar ones. Obviously, you can't demand the same effort from members of campaigns that pay less as from those that pay more, and this is reflected in the average quality of posts. In addition, the initial selection process already does its job.

How much time do these, as you say, "not smart" people spend on a single post? Is it really that hard for them to create several such small accounts, starting with push-ups, carving pumpkins, and posting pictures of places that accept Bitcoin, and then exchanging merits with their alternative accounts? I'm too lazy to open a second account, but for those who really need it, the forum itself is very supportive, so to say that someone is satisfied with $50 is highly doubtful.

And you think that someone who makes the effort to rank up two accounts for $50 campaigns won't do it for $100 campaigns? I think it's the other way around.

Finally, I don't quite understand the example you give me, because it's someone who I see has some short posting times but at the same time quite a few days in a row without posts.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Finally, I don't quite understand the example you give me, because it's someone who I see has some short posting times but at the same time quite a few days in a row without posts.

And why not publish? ;DBecause he writes on the following accounts on other days.

[JollyGood]

1. If he is not Naim027 then an innocent user get punished, lose all his handwork just because you are so called suspicious.

There is no way he's not the same person and its a bit insulting that you could dismiss the very easy-to-digest evidence I presented in this thread. Its as close to definitive proof as possible, given the circumstances.

Now with that being said, does anybody know which members of the forum are still employing naim027 regardless of the name he is using from his account farm? Employing him for any business from thousands of other members was a terrible mistake but to continue to do so is even more ridiculous (and in my opinion even more non-excusable).

What could the intention of trying to reinvent himself as a campaign manager be when it was all built upon lies and deceit? Imagine he was holding large amounts of funds to pay campaign participants, would that not have tempted him to exit-scam?

Evading a ban is always untrustworthy behavior, no matter what the other intentions and activities are.

Even with the ban evasion, AB de Royse777 aka Royse777 employed naim027 to help him with his spreadsheets. It is very poor and alarming judgement when helping a banned account by paying him to work for you knowing that he is also operating multiple accounts (something he is not permitted to do if banned) as well as being a compulsive liar and chief manipulator.

[yahoo62278]

How is your tag helping here at the same time is it appropriate? There are no concrete evidence yet that he is a scammer but you are tagging him because you are suspecting. You can not tag someone as a scammer because you suspect he will be a scammer.

There may not be evidence that he has scammed, but there is evidence he likely naim027 who is littered with red tags.

"Learn Bitcoin" is a campaign manager without any scamming record yet (regarding the debate of he is Naim027  or someone else as a person). He has and is still managing serval campaigns successfully. Your tag will give a doubt to his employers (maybe you will direct those employers to your employer campaign manager: your benefit that I can think of). He will lose business, all hard work. What will be the end result?[/b]

If the user is naim why should he be allowed to continue to operate here? The bigger question why would you protect him? Why would you continue to work with him after all the drama?

You are obviously aware of his situation but here's a little detailed post by LoyceV https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5416864.msg61117985#msg61117985

1. If he is not Naim027 then an innocent user get punished, lose all his handwork just because you are so called suspicious. We may or may not see "Learn Bitcoin" anymore. If we don't see the account "Learn Bitcoin" that won't mean that he disappeared, I know for a fact that the person behind "Learn Bitcoin" will continue under another name. He may or may not thrive like "Learn Bitcoin" but he will be among us however for your wrong judgement that person will suffer if he was innocent.
2. If he is Naim027 then you are forcing him to start over everything perhaps he will even become more desperate and become a scammer (I can not recall there was any accusation about Naim027 as a scammer). If he scam then you are creating a scammer.

I think you can clear this up quite easily. Is he or is he not naim? I am going to say yes by the way you wrote some facts in this portion. I've bolded it for you. Also, you know his alts I assume? I'm very confused as to why, if he is who we think he is, you would protect him and deceive the community?

Note: I am speaking up for a promising manager here.

Why?