"Learn Bitcoin" is silent when farmed account queries are raised

[Free Market Capitalist]

Going back to the main topic, do you guys think that he can get away with it this time? He has received several positive feedback in the past, and today he has sent the payments for his campaigns. If he continues to manage campaigns and make payments as he is supposed to, he can continue to accumulate positive feedback. I think unless he gets like 17 red tags that's a possibility.

[Satofan44]

Somebody who accepts campaign jobs for $50 per week is not a promising manager
~
(instead of a proper manager who will charge a fair amount of money)

Campaign management is a globalized market, and in some countries $50 per week is far more than the average income. Many services don't care about spam, as long as they get exposure, so they'll go for the cheapest instead of the best.

Great, you are presenting a defense for something that is not necessary. Someone who "manages" a campaign for $50 per week is not reading hundreds of posts per week. They are looking with envious and greedy eyes at Hhampuz and others, while shitposting with their own farmed accounts in their own campaigns.  

Is there a problem with that?

Someone who is good at a very particular thing and delivers good work is not going to undercharge the competition. All he needed to do to successfully manipulate DT members was to spend a few hundred dollars to farm trust. Does this indicate that this system is working and that he is a honest individual? This kind of person definitely charges $50 for honest reasons and because it is a competitive rate.   Some of you people are so naive, I am always surprised at your age.

Going back to the main topic, do you guys think that he can get away with it this time? He has received several positive feedback in the past, and today he has sent the payments for his campaigns. If he continues to manage campaigns and make payments as he is supposed to, he can continue to accumulate positive feedback. I think unless he gets like 17 red tags that's a possibility.

It is possible, he could get away with it if the DT members let it happen. It is up to them whether someone can get away with something when the presented evidence is clear.

[nutildah]

I've already agreed to not tag God of Thunder for now as he was kind enough to make an appearance and answer my question. At the same time, it appears some handholding may be required to understand why, at the very least, he shouldn't be on DT1. If the constant lying (getting banned, creating a bunch of account while banned, using them to merit & support each other, denying he had alts after the ban was lifted, denying every subsequent alt was his) wasn't enough, there's also this:

If you tally all the merit he sent himself between the full list of accounts known to be owned or operated by naim027 in at least some point in his forum career, we get the following totals:

Cratoon - 43
StarBets - 26
Spinly - 20
God of Thunder - 16
XYes Official - 14
John Abraham - 13
Dic3L0v3r - 8
naim027 - 5
Bitz_Casino - 5
Crypt0S0ul - 3
AnotherAlt - 1

So thats 154 merits he sent to himself across the last 4 years or so, and this is only the accounts we know about. He likely has several others. Sending merits to casinos you are representing isn't so bad, nor is leaving positive trusts for casinos, if you're willing to vouch for them, but using casinos to pad your trust list is kind of lame. I just hope that in whatever future incarnation he chooses to take that he'll understand its insulting to think you can get away with manipulating us.

He hasn't changed one bit since he said this:

While you guys can try to match up to much data with other accounts, The truth is those are not my alts. Why not ask another alt and cryptosoul about it? Why didn't they respond here? I was banned and had a busy day with my jobs. I was checking my ban appeal thread every few days. That's all I was doing with Bitcointalk.

I am the guy who created too many enemies from all over the bitcoin talk when I was active. Some from my local community. Some people know about this. It is too possible some of their focus is to defame me.

You better ask anotheralt and cryptosoul how and why they did this and who they are.

Turns out his biggest defamer was himself.

Is there a problem with that?

The topic is about account farmers, which leads to spam. That's the problem.

But there's one guy around here who thinks he's very smart and keeps making categorical statements like that, as if he had the solutions to the forum's problems, and all he does is act like an idiot, especially in this section. And just to be clear, I'm not referring to you, but to the person you quoted.

I had to do it, you left me no choice.

[Zoomic]

Cratoon - 43
StarBets - 26
Spinly - 20
XYes Official - 14
Bitz_Casino - 5

These are the accounts of the projects that God of Thunder manages or have managed. I believe the projects are supposed to be different entities from him as he is not the project owner. Does it mean he creates accounts for all the projects he manages and also posts on their behalf. This will be a tedious job to do.

Meanwhile, how many projects in the forum attracts the presence of their true owners and not the campaign managers handling campaigns, the Ann thread and also try to solve issues when they arise?

[Free Market Capitalist]

... at the very least, he shouldn't be on DT1. I

Agreed and acted upon.

I had to do it, you left me no choice.

Yeah, you were forced by the circumstances man, I understand you. If you want to call me an idiot, try doing it straight forward sometime so we can have a proper argument.

[JollyGood]

I am puzzled about this just as you are. I have no idea why AB de Royse777 aka Royse777 is defending naim027. Well maybe there is an explanation.

When the AB de Royse777 account was either hacked or sold several years ago (when it was created as "Royse777" by the Russian speaking member that originally registered it) and then ended up with the current operator, there were signs he was from Bangladesh. As we know, naim027 is from Bangladesh therefore maybe there is an affinity akin to some sort of fellow countryman or brotherhood type of association.

From the thousands of accounts he could have selected a member or two to employ to help with spreadsheets, why on earth would he willingly pay an account farmer, merit abuser, compulsive liar and chief manipulator such as naim027 after he had already been exposed and banned for first time and then defend him?

Why he feels the need to speak up for a so-called promising manager exposed as naim027 rather than distance himself from the ban evading account farmer naim027, is a valid question.

This post from the previous page deserves a response from the main protagonist defending naim027 and his account farm, just bumping the post before it gets buried under new posts.

How is your tag helping here at the same time is it appropriate? There are no concrete evidence yet that he is a scammer but you are tagging him because you are suspecting. You can not tag someone as a scammer because you suspect he will be a scammer.

There may not be evidence that he has scammed, but there is evidence he likely naim027 who is littered with red tags.

"Learn Bitcoin" is a campaign manager without any scamming record yet (regarding the debate of he is Naim027  or someone else as a person). He has and is still managing serval campaigns successfully. Your tag will give a doubt to his employers (maybe you will direct those employers to your employer campaign manager: your benefit that I can think of). He will lose business, all hard work. What will be the end result?[/b]

If the user is naim why should he be allowed to continue to operate here? The bigger question why would you protect him? Why would you continue to work with him after all the drama?

You are obviously aware of his situation but here's a little detailed post by LoyceV https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5416864.msg61117985#msg61117985

1. If he is not Naim027 then an innocent user get punished, lose all his handwork just because you are so called suspicious. We may or may not see "Learn Bitcoin" anymore. If we don't see the account "Learn Bitcoin" that won't mean that he disappeared, I know for a fact that the person behind "Learn Bitcoin" will continue under another name. He may or may not thrive like "Learn Bitcoin" but he will be among us however for your wrong judgement that person will suffer if he was innocent.
2. If he is Naim027 then you are forcing him to start over everything perhaps he will even become more desperate and become a scammer (I can not recall there was any accusation about Naim027 as a scammer). If he scam then you are creating a scammer.

I think you can clear this up quite easily. Is he or is he not naim? I am going to say yes by the way you wrote some facts in this portion. I've bolded it for you. Also, you know his alts I assume? I'm very confused as to why, if he is who we think he is, you would protect him and deceive the community?

Note: I am speaking up for a promising manager here.

Why?

[nutildah]

I am puzzled about this just as you are. I have no idea why AB de Royse777 aka Royse777 is defending naim027. Well maybe there is an explanation.

When the AB de Royse777 account was either hacked or sold several years ago (when it was created as "Royse777" by the Russian speaking member that originally registered it) and then ended up with the current operator, there were signs he was from Bangladesh.

Oh. I just assumed it still belonged to the original owner. Now I feel lied to.

[hugeblack]

Regarding the x-post link, how would you view it if I were to say that the x account, Discord, and the Telegram channel of ThunderGod Promotions are Naim Khan's (the user you know as Naim07) responsibility? Some will consider it a story, some will belive it. I will let you to decide it.

It's true you're not a scammer, but hiring someone with that background to manage X account, Discord, and the Telegram Promotions is unprofessional.

What are Naim07's responsibilities? Does he manage the TG: t.me/GodofThunderpro account? Does he update spreadsheet, make deals, or simply promoting?

I suggest the following as a starting point:

- Add escrow to current campaigns (or move them to AB de Royse777/Little Mouse, as I think you trust them).
- End all dealings with Naim07.
- After answering, community will change negative trust to neutral.
- Any lie = negative trust.

[AB de Royse777]

How is your tag helping here at the same time is it appropriate? There are no concrete evidence yet that he is a scammer but you are tagging him because you are suspecting. You can not tag someone as a scammer because you suspect he will be a scammer.

There may not be evidence that he has scammed, but there is evidence he likely naim027 who is littered with red tags.

"Learn Bitcoin" is a campaign manager without any scamming record yet (regarding the debate of he is Naim027  or someone else as a person). He has and is still managing serval campaigns successfully. Your tag will give a doubt to his employers (maybe you will direct those employers to your employer campaign manager: your benefit that I can think of). He will lose business, all hard work. What will be the end result?[/b]

If the user is naim why should he be allowed to continue to operate here? The bigger question why would you protect him? Why would you continue to work with him after all the drama?

You are obviously aware of his situation but here's a little detailed post by LoyceV https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5416864.msg61117985#msg61117985

1. If he is not Naim027 then an innocent user get punished, lose all his handwork just because you are so called suspicious. We may or may not see "Learn Bitcoin" anymore. If we don't see the account "Learn Bitcoin" that won't mean that he disappeared, I know for a fact that the person behind "Learn Bitcoin" will continue under another name. He may or may not thrive like "Learn Bitcoin" but he will be among us however for your wrong judgement that person will suffer if he was innocent.
2. If he is Naim027 then you are forcing him to start over everything perhaps he will even become more desperate and become a scammer (I can not recall there was any accusation about Naim027 as a scammer). If he scam then you are creating a scammer.

I think you can clear this up quite easily. Is he or is he not naim? I am going to say yes by the way you wrote some facts in this portion. I've bolded it for you. Also, you know his alts I assume? I'm very confused as to why, if he is who we think he is, you would protect him and deceive the community?

Whether Nain027 is Learn Bitcoin or not is up to Learn Bitcoin or Nain027 to clear it. Witch hunting is not my job. You can not deny that as a campaign manager you do not know secrets of many users (I believe many of us faced it that a user opens up to us and tells their untold to us. Even some of us established managers share our secrets with others depending on the relationship with individual. My moral is that I keep such private conversation private but if I see any of them are breaking my campaign rules of enrolling alts then they will not be forgiven)

Note: I am speaking up for a promising manager here.

Why?

I believe we need more campaign managers to make the business competitive and be a global industry. Why would it has to be in between some of us selective members? An industry with a few people eventually extinct and it only benefits those selective people (Campaign fees to earn from your campaign management in 2017 and now are not the same. It was easy money back then), a bigger community get less benefits. We all know it's not an easy job. There are things that not everyone can do to be a manager. It requires skill, hard-work, patience, reputation, trust, responsibility. If member show interests and earn the skill then they are welcome, if someone ask me to teach/train, I will teach. There are some other promising campaign managers and I will do the same for them too. I hope you got your answer of the "Why".

[JollyGood]

I am puzzled about this just as you are. I have no idea why AB de Royse777 aka Royse777 is defending naim027. Well maybe there is an explanation.

When the AB de Royse777 account was either hacked or sold several years ago (when it was created as "Royse777" by the Russian speaking member that originally registered it) and then ended up with the current operator, there were signs he was from Bangladesh.

Oh. I just assumed it still belonged to the original owner. Now I feel lied to.

The following is from a post I made in October 2025:

I cannot recall if the Royse777 account changed hands during the period it was accepted in the forum, or whether it was after accounts being traded began to be frowned upon.

Anyway, he claimed there were reasons he was not going to post in the Russian board again, that was a way of him trying to hide the account came in to his hands but he did create a ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] thread.

How many Russians love cricket, discuss it or even know what it is?

How many Russians knew there was a Sri Lankan player called Malinga and he was going to play his last game?

How many Russians would bet that Bangladesh would beat Sri Lanka?

This one did  

Also, if memory serves there was a time when a member sent a PM to Royse777 in Russian and received a reply back conveniently in perfect Russian. He worked hard to demonstrate he is the original creator of the account.

It would not really have changed much had he admitted how the Royse777 account came in to his possession. Here is when the Royse777 account came to be in the hands of the person that is controlling it now, most probably between August 2017 and November 2017:

The first use of the word "scammer" was made in the very first post by the person that is currently controlling and operating the AB de Royse777 aka Royse777 account. Before that, the original (Russian speaking) owner and creator of the Royse777 account never used the word "scammer" and anyway almost all posts that he made were in the Russian language.

Regarding the x-post link, how would you view it if I were to say that the x account, Discord, and the Telegram channel of ThunderGod Promotions are Naim Khan's (the user you know as Naim07) responsibility? Some will consider it a story, some will belive it. I will let you to decide it.

It's true you're not a scammer, but hiring someone with that background to manage X account, Discord, and the Telegram Promotions is unprofessional.

What are Naim07's responsibilities? Does he manage the TG: t.me/GodofThunderpro account? Does he update spreadsheet, make deals, or simply promoting?

The claim insinuated by the God Of Thunder aka Learn Bitcoin account that he hired naim027 to handle his social media and promotions website, is not true at all. The God Of Thunder aka Learn Bitcoin account is one of several accounts operated by naim027 therefore he is trying to protect one account by claiming the other account was hired to help him.

Do not forget, of all of the account farmers in this forum the most prominent compulsive liar and chief manipulator was naim027. Do not fall for his tricks and do not give him the benefit of any doubt.

[nutildah]

...
What are Naim07's responsibilities? Does he manage the TG: t.me/GodofThunderpro account? Does he update spreadsheet, make deals, or simply promoting?
...

There is no doubt in my mind he is naim027. As I pointed out earlier in this thread, they not only share the same usernames but the same BSC address... There's plenty of other commonalities I could point to, like they both use the same uncommon phrases, same style of writing, same level of English, same personality -- they're both extremely egotistical. Not to mention both accounts are world-class suckups. But it should be unnecessary to mention these things given the username and address connections. This is the same standard I (and probably some others) would hold to any account on the forum.

edit: let's try to make it a bit more clear.

Let's say you're managing a bounty and you notice that one participant is using the Twitter handle of a red-tagged bounty cheater. You look at the Twitter page and find they posted a BSC address also used by the participant in your campaign. Its safe to infer your participant is the same person as the red tagged bounty cheater, and a tag would be issued accordingly. This case is no different except its a campaign manager instead of participant.

[mindrust]

I always thought jolly and royse777 were having a personal fight similar to og vs vod but it seems jolly is onto something.

Royse is on the other hand is a successful campaign manager regardless of what happened to that account and I am not sure if jolly’s findings are enough for dt to come to a conclusion. If they were, dt would have given him multiple red trust ratings.

God of Thunder is also kind of in a similar tight spot.

These people bring value to the community and I feel like people somehow don’t have the courage to make a move.

So many people would lose them precious sig munney.

Some smoke is coming out but i don’t think anybody will care as long as the meat is cooking. Yummy

[Satofan44]

I always thought jolly and royse777 were having a personal fight similar to og vs vod but it seems jolly is onto something.

Royse is on the other hand is a successful campaign manager regardless of what happened to that account and I am not sure if jolly’s findings are enough for dt to come to a conclusion. If they were, dt would have given him multiple red trust ratings.

These people bring value to the community and I feel like people somehow don’t have the courage to make a move.

So many people would lose them precious sig munney.

Some smoke is coming out but i don’t think anybody will care as long as the meat is cooking. Yummy

Yeah, this is a general problem here. Instead of holding these people to much higher standards, the exact opposite happens. They are given a lot more room to misbehave because it threatens the signature payments, the payments of their colleagues or friends. Bias is not a good thing. I think you are mistaken in the bringing value, unless you mean specifically that they are bringing money to the people through the campaigns -- only in that case you are correct.  
When in doubt, ask a propositional question. What would happen to someone like me, Satofann44, if it were found out that I hired am naim027? A flood of red tags? Then red tag the user involved, no matter who the user is.

[yahoo62278]

I always thought jolly and royse777 were having a personal fight similar to og vs vod but it seems jolly is onto something.

Royse is on the other hand is a successful campaign manager regardless of what happened to that account and I am not sure if jolly’s findings are enough for dt to come to a conclusion. If they were, dt would have given him multiple red trust ratings.

God of Thunder is also kind of in a similar tight spot.

These people bring value to the community and I feel like people somehow don’t have the courage to make a move.

So many people would lose them precious sig munney.

Some smoke is coming out but i don’t think anybody will care as long as the meat is cooking. Yummy

I agree with you that we have a large group of cowards circulating the forum. They're scared to death of being blacklisted and left out of campaigns so they refuse to speak up when topics of importance come up, but you haven't tagged anyone either so step up or shut up.

Jolly might be onto something, not 100% sure currently.

I always thought jolly and royse777 were having a personal fight similar to og vs vod but it seems jolly is onto something.

Royse is on the other hand is a successful campaign manager regardless of what happened to that account and I am not sure if jolly’s findings are enough for dt to come to a conclusion. If they were, dt would have given him multiple red trust ratings.

These people bring value to the community and I feel like people somehow don’t have the courage to make a move.

So many people would lose them precious sig munney.

Some smoke is coming out but i don’t think anybody will care as long as the meat is cooking. Yummy

Yeah, this is a general problem here. Instead of holding these people to much higher standards, the exact opposite happens. They are given a lot more room to misbehave because it threatens the signature payments, the payments of their colleagues or friends. Bias is not a good thing. I think you are mistaken in the bringing value, unless you mean specifically that they are bringing money to the people through the campaigns -- only in that case you are correct. 
When in doubt, ask a propositional question. What would happen to someone like me, Satofann44, if it were found out that I hired am naim027? A flood of red tags? Then red tag the user involved, no matter who the user is.

I assure you that if enough damning evidence is brought forth, I have no problem tagging any user on this forum. I do not live in fear of anyone taking away this or that.

[hugeblack]

I was waiting for a response from @God Of Thunder, but he was active without replying. so

Code:

~ God Of Thunder

Will adding negative trust affect the payments of members participating in active campaigns?

[LoyceV]

I was waiting for a response from @God Of Thunder

He took a year to respond in this topic, and the day he did, he received a DT-tag. Or did he respond only after that tag?

Will adding negative trust affect the payments of members participating in active campaigns?

Only one way to know for sure

[yahoo62278]

I was waiting for a response from @God Of Thunder, but he was active without replying. so

Code:

~ God Of Thunder

Will adding negative trust affect the payments of members participating in active campaigns?

I am likely going to tag the account in the next few hours as I feel sufficient evidence has provided and just because the guy is doing ok on this account doesn't mean the past goes away. I wanna reread everything over the next few hours and decide.

If he disappears and screws over participants I think royse and his vouch and willingness to hide the guy deserve him to be on the hook. Opinions?

[mindrust]

I was waiting for a response from @God Of Thunder, but he was active without replying. so

Code:

~ God Of Thunder

Will adding negative trust affect the payments of members participating in active campaigns?

I am likely going to tag the account in the next few hours as I feel sufficient evidence has provided and just because the guy is doing ok on this account doesn't mean the past goes away. I wanna reread everything over the next few hours and decide.

If he disappears and screws over participants I think royse and his vouch and willingness to hide the guy deserve him to be on the hook. Opinions?

This is a mod/administration decision as much as it is a dt trust rating issue.

If the account(s) in question are allowed to operate in the forum by the admin and their current track record is clean, that makes the trust rating decision a bit harder to make.

Edit: I only noticed now that jolly made his decision with the trust rating for god of thunder few days ago…

[AB de Royse777]

If he disappears and screws over participants I think Royse and his vouch and willingness to hide the guy deserve him to be on the hook. Opinions?

WOW Yahoo, you know it was insulting when you are even saying it. It feels very wrong. It sounds BS. With the similar insult I can return the BS but I would like to believe that your moral level is still in better condition than JG, although you are showing signs of influenced by JG's trash. Considering your health condition I really need to forgive you however I will suggest you to control your hyper tension. You are becoming too hyper to prove that you are not living in fear. What fear? What happened to you?

To be honest, I was expecting a constructive reply of the answer of your "Why". But you came with such a BS statement and asking opinions. I am offended and I feel you are challenging my business reputation. Where have I vouched for Learn Bitcoin (to be liable of his financial deals with his clients in case he screws up)? Find it and quote it.

willingness to hide

If there is any secret and if I know anything about it then I have all my rights to keep it secret, I don't like witch hunting, I don't do it, it's not my job - is there a problem? I know many secretes of many users (that does not mean if I believe any of them will wrong do with money, scam others then I will not speak about it. As long as the secret is not about any scam then it's good for me to keep the secret "a secret".) of the forum. Knowing secrets is very normal for campaign managers. You are a campaign manager and I challenge you that you don't know any secret of any user yet.

[icopress]

Knowing secrets is very normal for campaign managers. [...]

I agree with this part. As long as any secret a manager knows doesn't border on fraud, keeping it confidential is, first and foremost, a matter of good business ethics.

I cannot recall if the Royse777 account changed hands during the period it was accepted in the forum, or whether it was after accounts being traded began to be frowned upon.

Let's just ask him about it. Despite some aspects, I think he's an honest guy and has no reason to ignore this issue.

R7, are you the same person who registered the account in 2014? A simple YES/NO.