"Learn Bitcoin" is silent when farmed account queries are raised

[LoyceV]

Why do you think I am a trade risk even though I do not operate any alt accounts

So you're saying those aren't your alts?

All known alts

- naim027
- Dic3L0v3r
- Crypt0S0ul

 - AnotherAlt

[Satofan44]

Why do you think I am a trade risk even though I do not operate any alt accounts

So you're saying those aren't your alts?

All known alts

- naim027
- Dic3L0v3r
- Crypt0S0ul

 - AnotherAlt

Your Honor, I swear those are my cousins said he.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

>>snip<<

You may have changed. Yes, people do change, but overwhelming evidence linking you to naim027 and other past alts changes everything. I had to go back and revisit the threads, and after looking at the trust sent to naim027 for example, I don't think community members would just start trusting you again overnight.

Building trust take a lot of effort and takes time. For example, you can't blame members for not believing that you are now a changed person, given the fact that naim027 was characterized with lying and manipulation according to the feedback on his trust profile.

[mindrust]

You should have defended your position the moment you saw the allegations. No matter how weird they seemed to you, you should have told us about what happened. That’s if you had a defensible position.

You didn’t make any explanation and that didn’t help you either because people thought, there was nothing to explain and it seems they were right.

A person who has no wrongdoings in his past doesn’t ignore accusations.

This is the difference between Royse777’s case and yours. R7 got away with it (at least he still is able to conduct business here even though he has a red tag from jg) because he could come up with an explanation. Some believed it, some did not. But he didn’t ignore anything. He fought for his reputation.

[Free Market Capitalist]

So you're saying those aren't your alts?

He is speaking in the present tense. None of those alts are active. Another thing is if we believe or not that he is not having an active alt account currently. Personally, I find it hard to believe that he doesn't have one in reserve, given his history and in case this account gets busted.

[Satofan44]

So you're saying those aren't your alts?

He is speaking in the present tense. None of those alts are active. Another thing is if we believe or not that he is not having an active alt account currently. Personally, I find it hard to believe that he doesn't have one in reserve, given his history and in case this account gets busted.

Even if the accounts are no longer active and he no longer uses them, they are still his alts (past and present). Talking in the "present tense" to try and manipulate his way out of directly answering questions only makes his case worse. Someone who has nothing to hide, does not need to do this. Someone who has nothing shady to hide in this context, does not need to do this.

[LoyceV]

Someone who has nothing to hide

Everyone has things to hide This fallacy is often used as an argument against the need for privacy. Hiding things isn't the problem, the problem is doing shady shit.

[Satofan44]

Someone who has nothing to hide

Everyone has things to hide This fallacy is often used as an argument against the need for privacy. Hiding things isn't the problem, the problem is doing shady shit.

Yes in general, but otherwise no. The statement is limited to the context that we are talking about, and in that context it is valid. To rephrase my original statement:

Someone who has nothing shady to hide in this context, does not need to do this.

Are you happy now, LauraV?

[mindrust]

I was going to post the exact same message swissV posted and then noticed satofan would play the context card and so kept my silence

I think i am upping my game here. In hindsight it doesn’t make much sense to tell it now but whatever

[nutildah]

Why do you think I am a trade risk, and I deserve negative feedback on my profile, even though I have been here for over three years, without cheating any campaigns, competitions, or giveaways? Why do you think I am a trade risk even though I do not operate any alt accounts, did not scam anyone, and did not abuse the forum features?

You repeatedly lied about having alts in the past. Why would anybody take your word for this now as by refusing to admit you are naim027, you're still lying with every word.

You sent yourself close to 150 merits between your accounts, you've included yourself in trust lists and given yourself several positive trusts. You have abused just about every feature this forum has to offer.

Can you explain why both naim027 and God of Thunder have different outputs in this campaign/contest payment? Maybe there's a valid reason for it but I'm having a hard time understanding what it is.

https://mempool.space/tx/d4c7fb31e85bc5a6db6da474b19ffa428b5a052746f8eae3b0075e93574e3956

After realizing that there are four negative feedback on my profile from the DT network, can't I disappear with that $4000 seeing that my profile value is zero? How do you think you are helping the forum by tagging me while I am not a trading risk?

Uh... you shouldn't be asking for our opinions on this. You should do what you believe is the right thing. If you think the right thing is to steal $4k from your clients, that is nobody's decision but yours.

The fact that you bring this up as a potential course of action should seal anybody's rational mind from ever wanting to do business with you.

[The Cryptovator]

After realizing that there are four negative feedback on my profile from the DT network, can't I disappear with that $4000 seeing that my profile value is zero? How do you think you are helping the forum by tagging me while I am not a trading risk?

Why did you realise too late? Haven't you noticed once the thread is created? The forum users, including me, expected an explanation from you regarding the allegations. Your silence led the situation to be worse; as a result, you got four negative feedback from DT members. I know if someone thinks you have alts, then it's hard to remove that narrative from his brain. But from your end you had to defend yourself if you weren't involved with any shady activities. I know due to a lot of fake excuses from cheaters, it's hard to trust even a real story. But the forum users would give you the benefit of the doubt if they think. You were an established user here; you know better about forum culture.

If you disappear with campaign funds, then it's up to you how you're going to handle it. Then we might see another scam accusation thread that would lead to more negative feedback in your profile. If you have alts and did something shady from that, it means as a person you did wrong; if you create hundreds of alts, the risk will be the same for all the accounts. DT members think you have done shady activities through your alts, which means this account should be treated like your alts; that's the actual risk.

Every DT member has their own mindset; they will act accordingly. I would prefer to explain the situation and ask for apologies. I won't mind saying sorry if I do something wrong either consciously or unconsciously. If DT members who left negative feedback think they gave you a second chance, they might reconsider their feedback, but it fully depends on them.

[God Of Thunder]

Why did you realise too late? Haven't you noticed once the thread is created? The forum users, including me, expected an explanation from you regarding the allegations. Your silence led the situation to be worse; as a result, you got four negative feedback from DT members. I know if someone thinks you have alts, then it's hard to remove that narrative from his brain. But from your end you had to defend yourself if you weren't involved with any shady activities. I know due to a lot of fake excuses from cheaters, it's hard to trust even a real story. But the forum users would give you the benefit of the doubt if they think. You were an established user here; you know better about forum culture.

Look, nutildah posted the connection a week ago, while I was silent about the accusation for a year.
Why? There is a reason behind it, and I cannot deny the fact that I am liable for what happened. What would be my defense, knowing that I have some problems and I am somehow tied to someone else? I neither accept nor deny the accusation, but I do acknowledge that I have some connections. I don't see any benefits in telling something that will be blown without even thinking about it. You said it well that if someone thinks I have alts, they won't accept any explanation, no matter how strong it is. I don't see that changing even if I do KYC. So I will let them think what they want to believe.

You repeatedly lied about having alts in the past. Why would anybody take your word for this now as by refusing to admit you are naim027, you're still lying with every word.

You sent yourself close to 150 merits between your accounts, you've included yourself in trust lists and given yourself several positive trusts. You have abused just about every feature this forum has to offer.

You should get to know them before you judge. Your eye doesn't always see the truth. I am not that dumb to use a four-year-old X account and a Discord account for my service. I could easily create one and use it for myself. I do have a personal X account. Don't you see the difference between the posting pattern and English? At least one guy knows my real name, phone number, and home address, and that is Steve from Sportsbets. He delivered merchandise to my house via DHL. Don't tell me you're gonna ask him about it. examplens was an admin with me on a telegram channel that I created, and my other Telegram account with my real name was added by me as an admin as well. He probably didn't notice, and I didn't notice when he left the channel. Am I telling too many personal things already? You didn't ask for it, I reckon.

Can you explain why both naim027 and God of Thunder have different outputs in this campaign/contest payment? Maybe there's a valid reason for it but I'm having a hard time understanding what it is.

https://mempool.space/tx/d4c7fb31e85bc5a6db6da474b19ffa428b5a052746f8eae3b0075e93574e3956

I can speak for myself. Let me help you with some info, I wasn't in any campaign on BitcoinTalk, but I was in Tumbler campaign on Altcoinstalks. Don't get confused by the date; the payment was delayed due to the mempool congestion and probably be replaced by a fee later. Since Royse sent all his campaign payments at once, it is hard to know which campaign the other participants were in.

Uh... you shouldn't be asking for our opinions on this. You should do what you believe is the right thing. If you think the right thing is to steal $4k from your clients, that is nobody's decision but yours.

The fact that you bring this up as a potential course of action should seal anybody's rational mind from ever wanting to do business with you.

I am not asking for an opinion, I am telling the possibilities. But as I said, the campaign participants will be paid regardless of my forum reputation. Honesty isn't for sale.

[nutildah]

You're making things needlessly complicated. Nobody is gonna ask you for KYC, nobody is gonna go off-forum and ask so-and-so about this-and-that to see if you're lying or not. You're just sitting here lying your ass off with a straight face.

I am not that dumb to use a four-year-old X account and a Discord account for my service.

Nobody said anything about Discord. But you were obviously using the same Twitter account as naim027, because you posted the same personal BSC address there that you did here. This is because you're the same person. That is the most direct and likely explanation.

Don't you see the difference between the posting pattern and English?

No, as a matter of fact, they seem nearly identical.

I am not asking for an opinion, I am telling the possibilities.

Look again. You are asking us questions:

After realizing that there are four negative feedback on my profile from the DT network, can't I disappear with that $4000 seeing that my profile value is zero? How do you think you are helping the forum by tagging me while I am not a trading risk?

Just now you mentioned this is a "possibility", so stop threatening to do it and do it. Show us who's boss, smart guy.

[AB de Royse777]

However, if you are going to keep secrets, then it also doesn’t make sense to be in the dt because these 2 roles contradict each other and that goes for many sig camp managers.

The roles of Merit source contradicts too.

For the record I requested theymos to remove me from merit source and banning me from DT1 voting. If you are considering me any of it then you are wrong.

This is what I found which is not fair - Being a former merit source and DT1 powered member I can tell that when you have any of these privileges or both of the tools then you can easily misuse it to benefit your campaign management business. You can easily manipulate users of your choice in your DT1 list (make yourself a fake one of the most trusted member, increase your positive feedback rating and many other things related to trust and feedback), you can easily send sMerits to targeted members to receive favor from them eventually you can do many other things to benefit your own campaign business.

What I suggest is those of us who are campaign manager and established us doing business in the forum: All of us should be banned from (1) DT1 voting (2) Merit source, even not to have the 1 sMerit from the received 2 Merits. We (The managers) should not have sMerits and DT1 voting privilege.

Edit: The other port of this original post moved to the new post below these two users post.

[JollyGood]

AB de Royse777 aka Royse777 very conveniently excused himself from this topic without answering your question from page 5. I even posted it in page 6 because he would probably have claimed he did not see it.

As expected, he conveniently skipped past more than one post asking a simple question. He was incapable of providing a simple YES/NO reply. Well, with the evidence stacked against him, it is clear what the answer is  

Knowing secrets is very normal for campaign managers. [...]

I agree with this part. As long as any secret a manager knows doesn't border on fraud, keeping it confidential is, first and foremost, a matter of good business ethics.

I cannot recall if the Royse777 account changed hands during the period it was accepted in the forum, or whether it was after accounts being traded began to be frowned upon.

Let's just ask him about it. Despite some aspects, I think he's an honest guy and has no reason to ignore this issue.

R7, are you the same person who registered the account in 2014? A simple YES/NO.

[AB de Royse777]

I'm just appalled that you would infer that someone under your guidance, hired by you, vouched by you, etc., has a chance of scamming people on the forum if we tag his account. Do you really not see any kind of problem with this?

The only point in protecting someone on the internet is that this protection will be intended exclusively for oneself; it’s hard to imagine anything else.

Protecting the secret if there is a secrete. There could be many reasons. One reason we keep secrets of other users in this forum is because they trust us with their secrets.

For some reason I didn't see this earlier but this is a terrible reason to avoid tagging someone: the spectre of "creating a scammer." So if we're nice to him then he will be nice enough not to scam us? LOL.

LOL you made me laugh. You know that's not what I meant LOL

I don't know what you meant, but what I do know is acquiescing to a liar's demands because they might turn bad if you don't is pure cowardice.

2. If he is Naim027 then you are forcing him to start over everything perhaps he will even become more desperate and become a scammer (I can not recall there was any accusation about Naim027 as a scammer). If he scam then you are creating a scammer.

Sorry but this is flat out bullshit no matter how you dice it and frankly I don't understand why you would ever say something like this.

Maybe we both don't understand each others here. What I am saying and what you are receiving is completely different that's what I realized.

I'm just appalled that you would infer that someone under your guidance, hired by you, vouched by you, etc., has a chance of scamming people on the forum if we tag his account. Do you really not see any kind of problem with this?

I see that you are interfering into my opinions and believes (I can believe one is not going to scam - the same way you can believe he has a chance of scamming. Let us respect each others opinions and believes). You are also interfering in how I conduct my business. I decide how I manage my business who I keep and who I fire from my employees list.

I will retire from this topic. Please do not involve me in anything that requires finding connection between Naim027 and things related to him. By now you all must know that I respect others secrets as long as I do not see it is going to an end of scamming others.

[Satofan44]

AB de Royse777 aka Royse777 very conveniently excused himself from this topic without answering your question from page 5. I even posted it in page 6 because he would probably have claimed he did not see it.

As expected, he conveniently skipped past more than one post asking a simple question. He was incapable of providing a simple YES/NO reply. Well, with the evidence stacked against him, it is clear what the answer is  

Knowing secrets is very normal for campaign managers. [...]

I agree with this part. As long as any secret a manager knows doesn't border on fraud, keeping it confidential is, first and foremost, a matter of good business ethics.

I cannot recall if the Royse777 account changed hands during the period it was accepted in the forum, or whether it was after accounts being traded began to be frowned upon.

Let's just ask him about it. Despite some aspects, I think he's an honest guy and has no reason to ignore this issue.

R7, are you the same person who registered the account in 2014? A simple YES/NO.

He’s definitely not the original owner of that account. Some people receive too much benefit of the doubt after farming trust through some activities here. Him vouching for naim027 suggests he’s more deeply involved in the situation.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[JollyGood]

I'm just appalled that you would infer that someone under your guidance, hired by you, vouched by you, etc., has a chance of scamming people on the forum if we tag his account. Do you really not see any kind of problem with this?

I see that you are interfering into my opinions and believes (I can believe one is not going to scam - the same way you can believe he has a chance of scamming. Let us respect each others opinions and believes). You are also interfering in how I conduct my business. I decide how I manage my business who I keep and who I fire from my employees list.

Shall we take that as a boast or confession that Royse777 is still employing naim027 to assist with the spreadsheets?

I will retire from this topic. Please do not involve me in anything that requires finding connection between Naim027 and things related to him. By now you all must know that I respect others secrets as long as I do not see it is going to an end of scamming others.

He’s definitely not the original owner of that account. Some people receive too much benefit of the doubt after farming trust through some activities here. Him vouching for naim027 suggests he’s more deeply involved in the situation.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

He is 100% not the original creator/owner of the (Royse777 account that later was renamed as the) AB de Royse777 account. He has a problem admitting how he came in to possession of the account. I doubt it was donated therefore the only logical explanations are either it was hacked or sold.

[LoyceV]

He is 100% not the original creator/owner of the (Royse777 account that later was renamed as the) AB de Royse777 account.

It's not the only established and even highly trusted account that wasn't created by the original owner. I've seen at least one account that reached DT1 despite being bought years earlier, and wasn't tagged for it. But there was no need to tag him either.
I've seen another account that received many red tags after being found out, without any other reason for not being trusted. So I get that he doesn't want to answer the question if the answer is yes.

[Satofan44]

He is 100% not the original creator/owner of the (Royse777 account that later was renamed as the) AB de Royse777 account.

It's not the only established and even highly trusted account that wasn't created by the original owner. I've seen at least one account that reached DT1 despite being bought years earlier, and wasn't tagged for it. But there was no need to tag him either.
I've seen another account that received many red tags after being found out, without any other reason for not being trusted. So I get that he doesn't want to answer the question if the answer is yes.

Either he too is naim027, or he works with people like him or he hires them. None of which is a sign of trustworthy behavior LauraV. The swamp is always bigger than what you perceive it to be from the outside. If he has nothing shady to hide, he would answer the question.  

He is 100% not the original creator/owner of the (Royse777 account that later was renamed as the) AB de Royse777 account. He has a problem admitting how he came in to possession of the account. I doubt it was donated therefore the only logical explanations are either it was hacked or sold.

Two questions remain then. First whether it was hacked or sold. Second whether he is helping naim027 evade his ban and profit off of this forum, or whether he is naim027 himself (or part of his group). Untrustworthy people tend to stick together. Do you have data on how many DT members are enrolled in his campaigns? This would explain their failure to act on such an obvious case.